9/11 photos

[Saint John]

Perhaps it's coming out now because the democrats are coming off a staggering loss in Massachusetts and looking terrible in other states?

If the Dems are pinning their electoral hopes on a freelance article misplaced in the Stupid/Fun section of the Maxim website, they are alot more fucked than you or I know.
I just threw the link out there as food for thought.
Like most conspiracy theories, it won't reach the mainstream.

I think it was a great read, but there isn't one shred of credible evidence that a murder occured. Is it possible that a murder occured? Sure, but I'd like credible evidence ... hell, any evidence ... before I start to make any assumptions. And I think both parties are fucked a lot more than you or I know. One has a huge majority and they're in a freefall, and the other can't seem to be conservative about conservatism.

[Saint John]

LOL.
You're talking about the same party that upon re-gaining the majority immediately said "impeachment is off the table."

And for the record, that was a great retort. Asshole.

[Journey/Survivor]

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[parfait]

You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?

Hell, I never even heard any claims of it being our government that carried out the attacks until about a year ago. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Yet, the government continues to hide everything to the best of their ability. Why was all of the steel from the World Trade Centers shipped off to be melted down in China as quickly as it could be?
Could it be to hide the proven fact that thermite and thermate were found in abundance in the steel of the WTC beams?

Why was there thermite and thermate in the WTC's?

Was MARVIN BUSH one of the chiefs of security of the WTC's or not?

Were there "War Games" going on on 9/11/2001 or not?

What hit the Pentagon, because it certainly wasn't the plane that they claim hit it. You can't force a round peg into a square hole.

I simply don't have the time to list all of the questions that the government can't truthfully answer.

An American Airlines jet flew into the towers and my sister who works for American lost some coworkers. Where did American flight 77 go, if not the Pentagon? Those loses of planes and personnel were very real.

I hear you.

I lost my brother-in-law in the North Tower. Try telling his wirfe and two kidds that the govt. conspired to kill him.

BULLSHIT.

I'm very sorry to hear that! You and your sister and her children have my deepest sympathy.

Are you aware that there are large groups of people who lost a loved one in the attacks that are some of the most vocal about their belief that it was CERTAIN members of our government that planned the attacks?

Some of the most vocal "truthers" are made up of family members of people who died in the attacks that day, as well as firemen, pilots, architects, engineers, police officers.

You make me sick, man. You're pissing on the grave of those that lost their lives in 9/11, and you even try to spread that conspiracy crap. Watch this clip, that explains it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Being a skeptic is all good, looking at the evidence and all that, but you people are bending "evidence" to suit your own agenda. Go jump down a cliff.

[Rockindeano]

Some of the most vocal "truthers" are made up of family members of people who died in the attacks that day, as well as firemen, pilots, architects, engineers, police officers.

Yup. There is a video of an interview with four guys from NYFD, and they were all remarking about how they kept hearing methodical explosions, coming down the tower, in sets of four floors.

For the record, I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. There is too much evidence proving this wasn't Al Qaida.

Bin Laden flatout denied he was responsible.
Flight 93 in Pennsylvania speaks for itself. that plane didn't crash, it was shot down.
How about the plane that hit the 2nd tower having no windows account eyewitnesses?
How about the flash going off before the plane hit the building at all? Hmm.
The melted steel of the Towers, which have a melting point of 1100 degrees, yet jet fuel doesn't get near that hot.

Those are just a few questions I would like answered.


I can go on and on. I think the guy on Loose Change did an extraordinary job. He makes a lot of sense. Go ahead, call me crazy, but I put nothing past Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Bush. There were more involved yes, but those sick motherfuckers would think of something like this.

Why are some of you so scared to question your government? And why is your government so scared to simply just answer questions? One would think answering questions would put to bed any conspiracy theories, yet they confiscate surveillance tapes, erase cockpit voices on 93 and keep certain people out of ground zero.


Flame away.

[Rockindeano]

Being a skeptic is all good, looking at the evidence and all that, but you people are bending "evidence" to suit your own agenda. Go jump down a cliff.

You also think JFK was shot by Oswald alone? If so, I have some beach front property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.

[Journey/Survivor]

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[wednesday's child]

Yup. There is a video of an interview with four guys from NYFD, and they were all remarking about how they kept hearing methodical explosions, coming down the tower, in sets of four floors.

For the record, I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. There is too much evidence proving this wasn't Al Qaida.

Bin Laden flatout denied he was responsible.
Flight 93 in Pennsylvania speaks for itself. that plane didn't crash, it was shot down.
How about the plane that hit the 2nd tower having no windows account eyewitnesses?
How about the flash going off before the plane hit the building at all? Hmm.
The melted steel of the Towers, which have a melting point of 1100 degrees, yet jet fuel doesn't get near that hot.

Those are just a few questions I would like answered.


I can go on and on. I think the guy on Loose Change did an extraordinary job. He makes a lot of sense. Go ahead, call me crazy, but I put nothing past Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Bush. There were more involved yes, but those sick motherfuckers would think of something like this.

Why are some of you so scared to question your government? And why is your government so scared to simply just answer questions? One would think answering questions would put to bed any conspiracy theories, yet they confiscate surveillance tapes, erase cockpit voices on 93 and keep certain people out of ground zero.


Flame away.

You've just traipsed off the fucking edge, Deano.
You need to buy more tinfoil.

[parfait]

Everyone, please Google the words "911 all in one chunk" and click on the top listing.

Read those questions.

Feel free to comment here afterward.

It's all the same with you people.

You're a bunch of poorly educated morons that follows the word of some pseudo scientists. Why don't you dress up in tin foil and start bitching about Apollo and the moon landing too?

Go back in school, read a book and raise your hand up real high; and slap some sense into yourself.

[Red13JoePa]

If I recall correctly, no one here, and I mean no one here, supported me on tapegate conspiracy either early on. It was only after they looked into it, they then believed.

I love that you found a way to shoehorn this into the discourse...

[conversationpc]

I wouldn't paint the 9-11 Truth Movement as being narrowly confined to one political faction over another.
I've witnessed alot of this on both sides.
In fact, much of the activity generated by the Truthers has stemmed from Ron Paul- survivalist libertarian types, and Alex Jones new-world-order, anti-government paranoids.
In other words, the hard right.
Not surprisingly, the first national figures to openly express doubts in the official story were extreme leftist, Rosie O'Donnell, and self-identified libertarian, Jesse Ventura.
Together, they represent a fair cross-section of "believers".

I'll back this up...Yes, there are some conservatives and libertarians out there who also believe this garbage. The 9/11 Truthers are nutjobs who've never bothered to research the evidence from actual experts about the things they believe. Morons.

[Rockindeano]

I'll back this up...Yes, there are some conservatives and libertarians out there who also believe this garbage. The 9/11 Truthers are nutjobs who've never bothered to research the evidence from actual experts about the things they believe. Morons.

Aww, so we the people have to research the evidence to ascertain exactly what went down? So are you telling me you buy 100% hook, line and sinker into the US Governments story? I'll ask one more time. Why can't the government simply answer questions posed to them? Is that too much to ask? I guess I am just labeled a moron because I have reservations about this? Thanks.

[parfait]

I'll back this up...Yes, there are some conservatives and libertarians out there who also believe this garbage. The 9/11 Truthers are nutjobs who've never bothered to research the evidence from actual experts about the things they believe. Morons.

Aww, so we the people have to research the evidence to ascertain exactly what went down? So are you telling me you buy 100% hook, line and sinker into the US Governments story? I'll ask one more time. Why can't the government simply answer questions posed to them? Is that too much to ask? I guess I am just labeled a moron because I have reservations about this? Thanks.

Yes! Holy Jesus in heaven, you're stupid man. It surprises me if you even know how to wipe your own ass (without googling it first)

[Rockindeano]

Yes! Holy Jesus in heaven, you're stupid man. It surprises me if you even know how to wipe your own ass (without googling it first)

If you say so. Whatever.

[Behshad]

I'll back this up...Yes, there are some conservatives and libertarians out there who also believe this garbage. The 9/11 Truthers are nutjobs who've never bothered to research the evidence from actual experts about the things they believe. Morons.

Aww, so we the people have to research the evidence to ascertain exactly what went down? So are you telling me you buy 100% hook, line and sinker into the US Governments story? I'll ask one more time. Why can't the government simply answer questions posed to them? Is that too much to ask? I guess I am just labeled a moron because I have reservations about this? Thanks.

Yes! Holy Jesus in heaven, you're stupid man. It surprises me if you even know how to wipe your own ass (without googling it first)

Back off Parfait.,... just cause he has questions and he wants more info, that makes him stupid?? Living in denial and keeping your questions to yourself is a lot more stupid if you ask me.....

[parfait]

I'll back this up...Yes, there are some conservatives and libertarians out there who also believe this garbage. The 9/11 Truthers are nutjobs who've never bothered to research the evidence from actual experts about the things they believe. Morons.

Aww, so we the people have to research the evidence to ascertain exactly what went down? So are you telling me you buy 100% hook, line and sinker into the US Governments story? I'll ask one more time. Why can't the government simply answer questions posed to them? Is that too much to ask? I guess I am just labeled a moron because I have reservations about this? Thanks.

Yes! Holy Jesus in heaven, you're stupid man. It surprises me if you even know how to wipe your own ass (without googling it first)

Back off Parfait.,... just cause he has questions and he wants more info, that makes him stupid?? Living in denial and keeping your questions to yourself is a lot more stupid if you ask me.....

No, that doesn't make him stupid, it's the FACT that scientists have nipped that retarded conspiracy theory in the bud a long time ago; the fact's are there. What Deano is doing is listening to extreme minority that has no scientific evidence whatsoever, besides some unclassified government paper and a grainy ass video of the freak accident.

You know started all this 9/11 crap, Behsad? Some teenager that got rejected admission into College twice. He planned on making a FICTIONAL thriller about some teenagers that found out that the 9/11 terrorist attack was a "inside job", and since no college would take him in, he figured:" Well, fuck me; I believe this bullshit! "

That's it; a underachieving teenager started this whole thing.

Here's the paper that debunks the rest of the conspiracy theory (I cringe just calling it a theory): http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Another source, full of FACTUAL evidence that debunks the myth, is here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Seriously guys; stop it.

[Behshad]

There are many myths and theories that been busted by facts,,,, but this isnt something that is 100% proven and never will be.
We will never find out 100% what happened to flight 93,,,,
I dont think having questions and doubts, while seeing to different sides go at it, makes one stupid. RockinDeano may come across as an annoying prick once in a while (well more often than that ) ,,, but he isnt stupid. In fact he is one of the smartest members of MR.

[Michigan Girl]

There are many myths and theories that been busted by facts,,,, but this isnt something that is 100% proven and never will be.
We will never find out 100% what happened to flight 93,,,,
I dont think having questions and doubts, while seeing to different sides go at it, makes one stupid. RockinDeano may come across as an annoying prick once in a while (well more often than that ) ,,, but he isnt stupid. In fact he is one of the smartest members of MR.

+1 ...very smart ass. I mean guy!!

[lights1961]

Deans Smart???

[Rockindeano]

Another source, full of FACTUAL evidence that debunks the myth, is here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

I know I am just a moron and all, but here is a 5 minute video of the Loose Change guys debating the Popular Mechanic guys. If you ask me, it isn't even close to a debate. More convincing argument here that a missile, not a plane, struck the Pentagon. But hey, I am a moron, so don't dare even give credence to someone who is questioning the US Government, but rather watch the video.

The "plane" apparently bounced off the lawn in front of the Pentagon, but magically, the grass is untouched.

Huge electrical spools are right in front of the impact area, unmoved and untouched.

No Boeing 757 engines found at the scene. Hmm

It goes on and on.

[Journey/Survivor]

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[Saint John]

There are mountains, and I mean MOUNTAINS of evidence that strongly suggests that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by CERTAIN members of our government.

No there's not. Every single shred of evidence tells us exactly what happened. From people talking to loved ones as the planes neared their doom, to the cockpit voice recordings of a struggle over Pennsylvania and most importantly ... the fact that we can now trace back every single one of the terrorists, where they trained, where they went to flight school and actual photos of them boarding the goddamned planes. You can question the fucking government all you want and that's ok ... but when your logic is sub-Schiavo and your evidence is some liberal, Phish-listening, hippie asshole with a documentary he made with Google searches, you look like a fuckstick ... and rightly so.

Bill, you and Dean sound like fucking idiots with some of the shit you're vomiting up. Dean, you mean to tell me you're so fucking dumb that you think the government is going to mastermind the greatest false flag operation in the history of the planet, but they're going to, in broad fucking daylight, forget to use a plane with fucking windows?!?!?! They're going to have thousands of people on the take (because that's how many an operation of this magnitude would take) and not one of them is gonna have a change of heart and be a whistle blower by now??? The two of you need to combine whatever "loose change" it is that you have in your fucking pockets, buy 2 bullets and rent a fucking gun.

I love the way the left blasts Bush and his cabinet for being the most inept ever, but when it comes to 9-11 they're the "masterminds" behind the world's greatest magic act of all-time. Start getting that loose change together, guys.

[Ehwmatt]

There are mountains, and I mean MOUNTAINS of evidence that strongly suggests that 9/11 was an inside job carried out by CERTAIN members of our government.

I love the way the left blasts Bush and his cabinet for being the most inept ever, but when it comes to 9-11 they're the "masterminds" behind the world's greatest magic act of all-time. Start getting that loose change together, guys.

Not only that, they also nefariously masterminded the collapse of the financial industry, the banks, the auto industry, and managed to create a hurricane discriminating enough to disparately impact black people

Guys, the things that happen in Jack Bauer's world (see: my avatar) don't happen in real life. Sorry.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not only that, they also nefariously masterminded the collapse of the financial industry, the banks, the auto industry, and managed to create a hurricane discriminating enough to disparately impact black people

You forgot manipulating WMD intel and invading Iraq. Just sayin.

[steveo777]

Not only that, they also nefariously masterminded the collapse of the financial industry, the banks, the auto industry, and managed to create a hurricane discriminating enough to disparately impact black people

You forgot manipulating WMD intel and invading Iraq. Just sayin.

They did that. Everybody knows this. Bush light needed to finish what Daddy Bush didn't and needed to concoct a reason for doing so. Most will agree, however, that Sadam needed to go. Beyond taking him out I do not believe in this war.

[Journey/Survivor]

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[Saint John]

*I* wasn't calling you a liberal, Bill. I was referring to the creator of Loose Change. I think you're a great guy. Apologies for the confusion. Now continue with your ridiculous assertions.

[Tomulator]

You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?

Hell, I never even heard any claims of it being our government that carried out the attacks until about a year ago. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Yet, the government continues to hide everything to the best of their ability. Why was all of the steel from the World Trade Centers shipped off to be melted down in China as quickly as it could be?
Could it be to hide the proven fact that thermite and thermate were found in abundance in the steel of the WTC beams?

Why was there thermite and thermate in the WTC's?

Was MARVIN BUSH one of the chiefs of security of the WTC's or not?

Were there "War Games" going on on 9/11/2001 or not?

What hit the Pentagon, because it certainly wasn't the plane that they claim hit it. You can't force a round peg into a square hole.

I simply don't have the time to list all of the questions that the government can't truthfully answer.

An American Airlines jet flew into the towers and my sister who works for American lost some coworkers. Where did American flight 77 go, if not the Pentagon? Those loses of planes and personnel were very real.

I hear you.

I lost my brother-in-law in the North Tower. Try telling his wirfe and two kidds that the govt. conspired to kill him.

BULLSHIT.

I'm very sorry to hear that! You and your sister and her children have my deepest sympathy.

Are you aware that there are large groups of people who lost a loved one in the attacks that are some of the most vocal about their belief that it was CERTAIN members of our government that planned the attacks?

Some of the most vocal "truthers" are made up of family members of people who died in the attacks that day, as well as firemen, pilots, architects, engineers, police officers.

Check out www.911pressfortruth.com

VERY aware. I think it's very, very sad too.

I think sometimes it's easier to blame something that is there in front of you rather than place the blame where it truly belongs...with the TERRORISTS. We will get Bin Laden and when we do...hopefully people will find some amount of "peace".

BTW, thx for the thoughts re: my brother-in-law...this topic hits "home" with me in a very personal way.