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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:32 am

parfait wrote:
Here's the video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12818225/



You just made my argument MORE convincing. I just watched it 5 times. Are you telling me you see a 44 foot tall plane enter the picture? LOL come on dude. That, whatever it was, was no bigger than 15 foot. This is laughable.



If that's not enough, here's a study (that REAL scientists wrote, not those pseudo scientist morons that's behind this conspiracy): http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6

I want you to watch the two links, and then come tell me if you still believe that fantasy shit. Cause if you do, well,; then all hope is lost. :wink:


No thanks. The last argument you presented to us was Popular Mechanics vs the Loose Change guys and Popular Mechanics got killed. I don't want to see Government tethered "scientists" trying to sell me some bullshit story.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:34 am

Fact Finder wrote:GTE Airfone recovered from flight 93 wreckage. Pennsylvania.

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WOW,,, Now Im convinced 100% :lol:

and theres the engine
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:39 am

They lied to us about this but they are telling the complete truth when they tell us how many jobs they saved, how much health care reform will really cost, and how much the stimulus saved us. I see.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:40 am

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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:41 am

B, are you auditioning for CSI? :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:43 am

Ehwmatt wrote:B, are you auditioning for CSI? :lol:


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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:44 am

Behshad wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:B, are you auditioning for CSI? :lol:


:lol:
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Postby Tito » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:47 am

It was the Mossad.
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:59 am

Ehwmatt wrote:They lied to us about this but they are telling the complete truth when they tell us how many jobs they saved, how much health care reform will really cost, and how much the stimulus saved us. I see.


See? To you it is all about partisan politics. I could care less who was in the White House. Yet you Cons are going to defend the GOP Power til the cows come home. You won't even question them. Where is your patriotism? Are you that much of a sheep that you'll turn a blind eye to something as nasty and disgusting as this can possibly turn out to be?

By the way Matt, your Obama argument really is weak. You are going to compare an economic bullshit spin on numbers to loss of life? Come on already. The only reason there isn't more uproar is that the average citizen is too scared to voice their concerns. And who could blame them? This Government will kill someone before they are found guilty of any crime. And yes, that works for both parties.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:12 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:They lied to us about this but they are telling the complete truth when they tell us how many jobs they saved, how much health care reform will really cost, and how much the stimulus saved us. I see.


See? To you it is all about partisan politics. I could care less who was in the White House. Yet you Cons are going to defend the GOP Power til the cows come home. You won't even question them. Where is your patriotism? Are you that much of a sheep that you'll turn a blind eye to something as nasty and disgusting as this can possibly turn out to be?

By the way Matt, your Obama argument really is weak. You are going to compare an economic bullshit spin on numbers to loss of life? Come on already. The only reason there isn't more uproar is that the average citizen is too scared to voice their concerns. And who could blame them? This Government will kill someone before they are found guilty of any crime. And yes, that works for both parties.


I don't believe much of anything from the government regardless of what party is in there. Is it possible the planes were shot down? Absolutely. Likely? Probably not. It's a matter of degree, like anything else. This would be a cover-up of a far greater extreme degree than some other famous cover-ups... eg: Is it likely we went to war on pretextual reasons? Very. Is it likely Cons and Dems alike fudge numbers and strategically move them around so as to trick us into supporting their programs? Very likely. Is it possible they'd not only stage a cover-up like this domestically but also be willing and capable of hiding it? Not as likely. Sure, it happens overseas all the time, but it seems much less likely here. We live in an age where anything is fucking possible. ANYTHING. That includes extreme corporate and government malfeasance.

I just don't think you'd be running around proclaiming the infallible truth of these far-fetched theories of yours had Bush v. Gore been decided the other way, based on what I've seen regarding your beliefs in the current administration's bullshit, that's all.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:17 am

The plane that landed in Pennsylvania left exactly the same amount of wreckage that US Air 427 did in PA and Value Jet 592 that landed in The Everglades did. There's precedent for planes that land in an inverted nose-down impact ... but Inspector Gadget and Maxwell Smart want to apply their limited understanding of science with their "Where did it go?!?!" theories. Excerpts from the prior 2 inverted, nose-down plane crashes:

"That was USAir 427, that experienced a rudder anomaly just before landing. It too, plunged the plane into an inverted, nose-down impact. Living in Pittsburgh, he was there as quick as the firemen. Just one big, hole again, this time with fire, but little wreckage that could be seen."

"The most famous was Value Jet's "Critter" 592, which went down in Florida in 1996. It suffered an on-board fire, that ended with the plane in an inverted dive, straight into the water of the Everglades. It impacted limestone, nose-first, and as witnesses stated: "just disappeared in one big hole." The EMS/firemen were there in minutes. They couldn't determine where it had struck from the levy. It took a helicopter to find the exact spot. There was nothing to be seen, for the most part. And not much to be found, once the aluminum frame hit the rock."


As for The Pentagon ... you want quality still photos of something traveling 530 miles per fucking hour??? I'm not sure what you guys want ... really, I'm lost. You have records of flight schools, images of these fucks getting on the planes, all of the airport radar screens corroborate the evidence presented, you have audio transmissions, calls home from the doomed planes by loved ones, certifiable scientific evidence that hasn't been refuted by top scientists and Al Qaeda has repeatedly claimed responsibility ... but Beaveshad and Butthead have it all figured out?!?! :lol: You guys need to have your fucking lobotomies reversed! :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:22 am

Saint John wrote:The plane that landed in Pennsylvania left exactly the same amount of wreckage that US Air 427 did in PA and Value Jet 592 that landed in The Everglades did. There's precedent for planes that land in an inverted nose-down impact ... but Inspector Gadget and Maxwell Smart want to apply their limited understanding of science with their "Where did it go?!?!" theories. Excerpts from the prior 2 inverted, nose-down plane crashes:

"That was USAir 427, that experienced a rudder anomaly just before landing. It too, plunged the plane into an inverted, nose-down impact. Living in Pittsburgh, he was there as quick as the firemen. Just one big, hole again, this time with fire, but little wreckage that could be seen."

"The most famous was Value Jet's "Critter" 592, which went down in Florida in 1996. It suffered an on-board fire, that ended with the plane in an inverted dive, straight into the water of the Everglades. It impacted limestone, nose-first, and as witnesses stated: "just disappeared in one big hole." The EMS/firemen were there in minutes. They couldn't determine where it had struck from the levy. It took a helicopter to find the exact spot. There was nothing to be seen, for the most part. And not much to be found, once the aluminum frame hit the rock."


As for The Pentagon ... you want quality still photos of something traveling 530 miles per fucking hour??? I'm not sure what you guys want ... really, I'm lost. You have records of flight schools, images of these fucks getting on the planes, all of the airport radar screens corroborate the evidence presented, you have audio transmissions, calls home from the doomed planes by loved ones, certifiable scientific evidence that hasn't been refuted by top scientists and Al Qaeda has repeatedly claimed responsibility ... but Beaveshad and Butthead have it all figured out?!?! :lol: You guys need to have your fucking lobotomies reversed! :lol:


Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits :?

Sticking your head in the sand is always the easiest way out ,,,, much like you did when Augeri was lipping ;)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:26 am

Behshad wrote:
Saint John wrote:The plane that landed in Pennsylvania left exactly the same amount of wreckage that US Air 427 did in PA and Value Jet 592 that landed in The Everglades did. There's precedent for planes that land in an inverted nose-down impact ... but Inspector Gadget and Maxwell Smart want to apply their limited understanding of science with their "Where did it go?!?!" theories. Excerpts from the prior 2 inverted, nose-down plane crashes:

"That was USAir 427, that experienced a rudder anomaly just before landing. It too, plunged the plane into an inverted, nose-down impact. Living in Pittsburgh, he was there as quick as the firemen. Just one big, hole again, this time with fire, but little wreckage that could be seen."

"The most famous was Value Jet's "Critter" 592, which went down in Florida in 1996. It suffered an on-board fire, that ended with the plane in an inverted dive, straight into the water of the Everglades. It impacted limestone, nose-first, and as witnesses stated: "just disappeared in one big hole." The EMS/firemen were there in minutes. They couldn't determine where it had struck from the levy. It took a helicopter to find the exact spot. There was nothing to be seen, for the most part. And not much to be found, once the aluminum frame hit the rock."


As for The Pentagon ... you want quality still photos of something traveling 530 miles per fucking hour??? I'm not sure what you guys want ... really, I'm lost. You have records of flight schools, images of these fucks getting on the planes, all of the airport radar screens corroborate the evidence presented, you have audio transmissions, calls home from the doomed planes by loved ones, certifiable scientific evidence that hasn't been refuted by top scientists and Al Qaeda has repeatedly claimed responsibility ... but Beaveshad and Butthead have it all figured out?!?! :lol: You guys need to have your fucking lobotomies reversed! :lol:


Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits :?

Sticking your head in the sand is always the easiest way out ,,,, much like you did when Augeri was lipping ;)


Come to Cleveland tomorrow and we'll shove your head up a butcher's ass. See how you like that
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:27 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Saint John wrote:The plane that landed in Pennsylvania left exactly the same amount of wreckage that US Air 427 did in PA and Value Jet 592 that landed in The Everglades did. There's precedent for planes that land in an inverted nose-down impact ... but Inspector Gadget and Maxwell Smart want to apply their limited understanding of science with their "Where did it go?!?!" theories. Excerpts from the prior 2 inverted, nose-down plane crashes:

"That was USAir 427, that experienced a rudder anomaly just before landing. It too, plunged the plane into an inverted, nose-down impact. Living in Pittsburgh, he was there as quick as the firemen. Just one big, hole again, this time with fire, but little wreckage that could be seen."

"The most famous was Value Jet's "Critter" 592, which went down in Florida in 1996. It suffered an on-board fire, that ended with the plane in an inverted dive, straight into the water of the Everglades. It impacted limestone, nose-first, and as witnesses stated: "just disappeared in one big hole." The EMS/firemen were there in minutes. They couldn't determine where it had struck from the levy. It took a helicopter to find the exact spot. There was nothing to be seen, for the most part. And not much to be found, once the aluminum frame hit the rock."


As for The Pentagon ... you want quality still photos of something traveling 530 miles per fucking hour??? I'm not sure what you guys want ... really, I'm lost. You have records of flight schools, images of these fucks getting on the planes, all of the airport radar screens corroborate the evidence presented, you have audio transmissions, calls home from the doomed planes by loved ones, certifiable scientific evidence that hasn't been refuted by top scientists and Al Qaeda has repeatedly claimed responsibility ... but Beaveshad and Butthead have it all figured out?!?! :lol: You guys need to have your fucking lobotomies reversed! :lol:


Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits :?

Sticking your head in the sand is always the easiest way out ,,,, much like you did when Augeri was lipping ;)


Come to Cleveland tomorrow and we'll shove your head up a butcher's ass. See how you like that


No, you kids have fun without me this time,,, we will do the butcher thing in May,,, :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:28 am

Ehwmatt wrote: Sure, it happens overseas all the time, but it seems much less likely here. We live in an age where anything is fucking possible. ANYTHING. That includes extreme corporate and government malfeasance.


Huh? Are you saying the United States Government is cleaner than European or Asian countries? Dude, we do more horrendously evil shit than every nation combined. We get away with it for two reasons. 1) We are so fucking powerful, no one can stand up to us, and 2), we also do good shit too. This is exactly the statement I would expect from all those who believe sincerely that 9/11 is pure in it's summation. People who say what you just said, tend to go with the flow, wrap themselves in Old Glory and go on. I am not one of them.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:36 am

Behshad wrote:Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits


What are you getting at? This makes no sense.


Behshad wrote:Sticking your head in the sand is always the easiest way out ,,,, much like you did when Augeri was lipping ;)


The very first day Hunsicker posted the graphs I was on board. Go back and check.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:42 am

Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits


What are you getting at? This makes no sense.




How come the speed of the planes hitting the tower didnt affect the many high and low quality pics and videos get spread all over the world, yet you use the speed of the plane that hit Pentagon the reason no one can produce just ONE video footage of the plane hitting pentagon .
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Postby Saint John » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:48 am

Behshad wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits


What are you getting at? This makes no sense.




How come the speed of the planes hitting the tower didnt affect the many high and low quality pics and videos get spread all over the world, yet you use the speed of the plane that hit Pentagon the reason no one can produce just ONE video footage of the plane hitting pentagon .


You can't be fucking serious with this question, dude! The images from the fucking Twin Towers were videos from far away ... not a section of a hundred feet or so from a ground camera. Had their been a floating camera in the air with the same view and at the same distance when those planes flew into the buildings you would have seen the same fucking blurs! Nice try, though! :lol:
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:49 am

Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:Did you see the QUALITY FOOTAGE of the planes hitting the twin towers??? Oh I forgot , those planes where only doing 25 mph, since they were within city limits


What are you getting at? This makes no sense.




How come the speed of the planes hitting the tower didnt affect the many high and low quality pics and videos get spread all over the world, yet you use the speed of the plane that hit Pentagon the reason no one can produce just ONE video footage of the plane hitting pentagon .


You can't be fucking serious with this question, dude! The images from the fucking Twin Towers were videos from far away ... not a section of a hundred feet or so from a ground camera. Had their been a floating camera in the air with the same view and at the same distance when those planes flew into the buildings you would have seen the same fucking blurs! Nice try, though! :lol:


no matter how close you are to the building , you dont get the blurr till AFTER the impact , nice try yourself .... :P
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:51 am

And might I add,,, give us a dozen of blury video shots,, not 2 fucking seconds, with 2 frames per second shit,,,
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Postby Behshad » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:01 am

FLIGHT 93

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This is taken from the Flight recorder ( black box)
and released recently by our Government..
Notice the blue line which indicates ZERO altitude.
Notice the black line going down in that direction, but never reaching there?
This is the altitude.
It Doesnt drop below 100ft or so.
Until I learn more, I must expect that this is the elevation of the ground,
though, my suspicions tell me its not, and that this is taken into consideration,
but I am not sure at this time.

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Also seen.
an overspeed alert , this is about the time it turns at Cleveland,
which does correspond to the FE data showing it at 509mph
but the black box airspeed
another overspeed alert at 10:02-10:03
(actual crash time is 10:03 according to the black box)
if I am reading this right, and the airspeed is in KNOTS,
the converting to MPH tells me the plane crashed at 560 MPH !!

Airspeed VERY erratic after takeoff as well.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:10 am

Eyewitness accounts:

"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001


"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001


"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001


"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002


"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle—almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course.'"
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001


"'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said."
- "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001


"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001


"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001


"'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001


"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001


"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001


"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001


"Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,' he said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.'"
- "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001


"'I glanced up just at the point where the plane was going into the building,' said Carla Thompson, who works in an Arlington, Va., office building about 1,000 yards from the crash. 'I saw an indentation in the building and then it was just blown-up up—red, everything red,' she said. 'Everybody was just starting to go crazy. I was petrified.'"
- "Terrorists Attack New York, Pentagon." Los Angeles Times, 12 Sep 2001


"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
- Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today


"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002


"Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black, thick smoke.'"
- "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001
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Postby parfait » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:32 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:About flight 93....

Take note: I am NOT saying that I necessarily believe this to be the case. However it is a theory that others have presented.

There is the NASA Lewis/Glenn Center right next to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

I live 5 miles away from there.

I wasn't working on 9/11 and I was at home watching all of the breaking news of the attacks. A couple of times our local TV stations broke in over the Network to announce that a suspicious plane was being ordered to land at Hopkins.

Not only was the airport evacuated but so was the NASA Center next door.

There are some who have speculated that the "real" flight 93 was landed at Hopkins Airport and possibly then stashed next door in one of the hangers at NASA or that it was flown out of Cleveland right away, and that the "fake" flight 93 was then shot down over Shanksville.

There are numerous people who've sworn that they saw flight 93 at Hopkins that day. One of which is a fireman who was one of the firemen that was sent to Hopkins when the suspicious plane was forced to land.

Now: I remind you. I am NOT saying that that is my own personal belief. I'm only mentioning a theory that others have speculated on. In my own eyes it's a theory that may or may-not be true.

If any of you want to read about that theory, Google "The Cleveland airport mystery-September 11."

One thing I forgot to mention is that also next to Hopkins Airport is the huge IX Center where Cleveland holds many large conventions and events like the Auto Show. The building is largely empty on days that there are no events taking place, and it is easily capable of holding thousands of people.


Oh my fucking God. I truly am at a loss of words. How can you even call that a theory?No more sarcastic remarks. No more scientifically proven facts. No more.

You my friend, you're possibly the dumbest fucking person I've ever seen.

There's no doubt in my mind that you got to have the intelligence equivalent a dead dog. I hope your high school teacher (I'm guessing that's the education you got), is ashamed of herself for ever having you as her student.

Please go back to your huge X-Files collection and jerk off.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:34 am

Ok ... our resident Bloodhound Gang has established that the planes were all phony, the real planes went elsewhere where I'm assuming all of the passengers were executed right after they made fake phone calls home to lie and say they were actually on the fake planes, and one of the planes was shot down for some reason before it hit its target ... which was presumably The White House or Capitol Building. Seems plausible to me! :lol: Nice job, guys! :lol:
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Postby parfait » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:53 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
parfait wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:About flight 93....

Take note: I am NOT saying that I necessarily believe this to be the case. However it is a theory that others have presented.

There is the NASA Lewis/Glenn Center right next to Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

I live 5 miles away from there.

I wasn't working on 9/11 and I was at home watching all of the breaking news of the attacks. A couple of times our local TV stations broke in over the Network to announce that a suspicious plane was being ordered to land at Hopkins.

Not only was the airport evacuated but so was the NASA Center next door.

There are some who have speculated that the "real" flight 93 was landed at Hopkins Airport and possibly then stashed next door in one of the hangers at NASA or that it was flown out of Cleveland right away, and that the "fake" flight 93 was then shot down over Shanksville.

There are numerous people who've sworn that they saw flight 93 at Hopkins that day. One of which is a fireman who was one of the firemen that was sent to Hopkins when the suspicious plane was forced to land.

Now: I remind you. I am NOT saying that that is my own personal belief. I'm only mentioning a theory that others have speculated on. In my own eyes it's a theory that may or may-not be true.

If any of you want to read about that theory, Google "The Cleveland airport mystery-September 11."

One thing I forgot to mention is that also next to Hopkins Airport is the huge IX Center where Cleveland holds many large conventions and events like the Auto Show. The building is largely empty on days that there are no events taking place, and it is easily capable of holding thousands of people.


Oh my fucking God. I truly am at a loss of words. How can you even call that a theory?No more sarcastic remarks. No more scientifically proven facts. No more.

You my friend, you're possibly the dumbest fucking person I've ever seen.

There's no doubt in my mind that you got to have the intelligence equivalent a dead dog. I hope your high school teacher (I'm guessing that's the education you got), is ashamed of herself for ever having you as her student.

Please go back to your huge X-Files collection and jerk off.


I notice how it's always the people that believe every word of the 911 commission that always are the ones who change the subject and throw around insults. Let's see... I'm keeping the conversation civil and debating facts. And you try to change the subject and throw around insults.

What have you added to this discussion other than insults? You might want to look in the mirror when your throwing around the claims of being uneducated.


Let's see... Why should I keep this remotely civil? I'm not civil when trying to convince a nail to go into piece of wood. I use a god damn hammer. Why? Cause it's god damn stupid nail! And how come calling you the dumbest person ever is trying to change the subject? Dude, it's not.

Oh, and I'm a med student. How's that for uneducated claims? :wink:
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