9/11 photos

[JasonD]

Sure, it happens overseas all the time, but it seems much less likely here. We live in an age where anything is fucking possible. ANYTHING. That includes extreme corporate and government malfeasance.

Huh? Are you saying the United States Government is cleaner than European or Asian countries? Dude, we do more horrendously evil shit than every nation combined. We get away with it for two reasons. 1) We are so fucking powerful, no one can stand up to us, and 2), we also do good shit too. This is exactly the statement I would expect from all those who believe sincerely that 9/11 is pure in it's summation. People who say what you just said, tend to go with the flow, wrap themselves in Old Glory and go on. I am not one of them.

No, I was alluding more to our intelligence operations and covert missions that we carry out overseas, not necessarily that of other countries.

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Hey I gotta say, Parfait is one of favourite posters on here now. Forget the smelly Euro jokes. That guy brings epic smack to the table every time. When he and 7 wishes get going, it's awesome. Two smart motherfuckers. This coming from the Board Moron.

I would say this Board has an all star team of smack runners.

Top Tier-

Parfait- On fire, taking no prisoners
7 Wishes- Always reliable for a good retort
St John- funny fucker with brains, even though he hates me now
Behshad- silent assassin, scary fucker carries a big stick
TNC- Dude is a rat; always getting under people's skin. Great how he infuriates RVR
Ewmatt- can always fire a rocket scud at any time, from anywhere

On the Bubble-

FactFinder- Needs more than c/p talent
Redwingfan- blind loyal GOP defender
ConverdsationPC- too nice to be mean
Stu-great guy through and through, but confused
RedJoePa13- Really confused- too infrequent in his posting
stevew2- Can anyon saiy friga?


Outside looking In

Jason- Just too weird and soft, and cuddly. Bachelor smack? Duuuude
BJG- a chick, but a chick with balls..on her way up
Gator- busy being on IR

Gee, thanks Deano for adding me to your list. Now I feel just like Steve Martin in The Jerk when he jumped around all excited shouting, "THE NEW PHONE BOOK'S HERE! THE NEW PHONE BOOK'S HERE! MY NAME IS IN THE NEW PHONE BOOK! THAT MEANS I'M SOMEBODY!!!"

[Journey/Survivor]

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[RossValoryRocks]

Saying that there wasn't thermite and thermate in the 3 towers doesn't make it true.

Saying there was doesn't make it true either.

Not one of your sources is credible, not ONE.

It's the same type of people that said we didn't land on the moon, and that Kennedy was killed by the CIA and some mobsters.

Get a grip already.

[RedWingFan]

Why did the twin-towers also collapse at free-fall-speed? Even if the steel had weakened, the collapse would have taken time. they would have had far too much resistance for it to have collapsed at free-fall-speed.

Please get your head out of your ass!!!! If agreeing with Rosie O'Donnell doesn't wake your dumb ass up, nothing will!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvx ... re=related

When the hell did I ever mention Rosie O'Donnell???

If your telling me that she believes that 9/11 was a conspiracy by our government, then that's news to me. But even if she does, just because one wack-job believes that it doesn't mean that everyone who believes it is a wack-job. I'm sure there are tons of freaking lunatics that fully trust the governments explanation of what happened that day.

See there are these things called "links". Links are colored blue and are underlined (like the one above). You're supposed to click these links that will take you to another page which will show you additional text or in this case a video. If you would have done this with the link I posted above you would have seen Rosie O'Donnell making the same idiotic, thoughtless argument that you made earlier which is also quoted above. I hope this clears it up for you!

[Rockindeano]

Saying that there wasn't thermite and thermate in the 3 towers doesn't make it true.

Saying there was doesn't make it true either.

Not one of your sources is credible, not ONE.

It's the same type of people that said we didn't land on the moon, and that Kennedy was killed by the CIA and some mobsters.

Get a grip already.

And you're the guy who emphatically denied Journey was faking it because there was no way that could happen, remember? My point to you Stu is, keep an open mind. The USA is not without it's demons.

[Tito]

With all this anger and back forth, I think we can all agree now, in hindsight, the U.S.A. would be a better place if we were under the leadership of this man:




He could unify us. Or should I say U.S.

[Behshad]

With all this anger and back forth, I think we can all agree now, in hindsight, the U.S.A. would be a better place if we were under the leadership of this man:




He could unify us. Or should I say U.S.

There fixed it for ya

[treetopovskaya]

it's sad that there are people out there making money off 9-11.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/16/Zs5jWvu4tR8

makers of loose change have been debunked & very much... owned. these guys are scum of the earth & hopefully will rot in hell.

any engineer will explain to you how & why those towers fell. imagine if someone stood on your hand... now imagine that person jumping down on your hand. there's a difference between dead & live weight. once those floors started to fall there was nothing to stop them... no resistance.

[treetopovskaya]

NOVA producer Larry Klein discusses world trade center conspiracy theories with civil engineer S. Shyam Sunder

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

[Behshad]

NOVA producer Larry Klein discusses world trade center conspiracy theories with civil engineer S. Shyam Sunder

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

Is that the same guy who directed 6th sense & Unbreakable !?

[treetopovskaya]

As the joists on one or two of the most heavily burned floors gave way and the outer box columns began to bow outward, the floors above them also fell. The floor below (with its 1,300 t design capacity) could not support the roughly 45,000 t of ten floors (or more) above crashing down on these angle clips. This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds, hitting bottom with an estimated speed of 200 km per hour. If it had been free fall, with no restraint, the collapse would have only taken eight seconds and would have impacted at 300 km/h.1 It has been suggested that it was fortunate that the WTC did not tip over onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made. First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself. Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure. Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity. To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/01 ... -0112.html

let me add that to tip the towers would have had to be hit at their base... like when you chop a tree.

[treetopovskaya]

simulation showing why towers fell...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/bl ... ngineering

[Saint John]

St John- funny fucker with brains, even though he hates me now

Nothing could be further from the truth. Unless I lapsed into a coma caused by seeing Janet Reno dildo herself with a boat oar, we're all good, dude!

[Saint John]

Mark Loizeaux who runs one of the world's leading demolition companies, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, and who holds the world record for bringing down the largest steel structure, the J L Hudson building in Detroit, says it is simply not possible to bring down a building like Tower 7 which was fully occupied and without anybody seeing or hearing something.

The operation would take months to design and months to prepare the structure for the placement of charges:

"It's noisy. There's just no way to get around it. You go in, you knock out usually all the walls on the floors where you place explosives, gut them."

Mr Loizeaux also told the BBC that you would need to place hundreds of explosive charges along with miles of initiating cable and miles more detonating cord. And you would find evidence left behind of all these explosive charges, blasting caps and tubes.

Furthermore says Loizeaux, when you are dealing with charges big enough to bring down a building like Tower 7: "The amount of air that's displaced will break windows easily.

"There were a lot of broken windows mainly through impact debris. But I didn't see windows broken on the backs of building, only where debris falling from the Towers struck it.

"But come round the back side, no windows were broken there.

"They were shielded from debris falling. If explosives of the magnitude necessary to cut the columns in a big building, were detonated the windows all the way round would have been shattered. No way round it."

Dr Gene Corley, the lead investigator for the first inquiry by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) told the BBC: "We looked at everything.

"Controlled demolition was ruled out because there was no evidence of controlled demolition ... we looked for it, yes, and we found no evidence of controlled demolition."

FEMA INVESTIGATION 2004

A number of people from the Fema investigation helped out immediately after the attacks, and shortly afterwards other team members began arriving to begin their investigation.

Every inch of the site was picked over by hundreds of people. No one reported any signs of explosives.

[steveo777]

Mark Loizeaux who runs one of the world's leading demolition companies, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, and who holds the world record for bringing down the largest steel structure, the J L Hudson building in Detroit, says it is simply not possible to bring down a building like Tower 7 which was fully occupied and without anybody seeing or hearing something.

The operation would take months to design and months to prepare the structure for the placement of charges:

"It's noisy. There's just no way to get around it. You go in, you knock out usually all the walls on the floors where you place explosives, gut them."

Mr Loizeaux also told the BBC that you would need to place hundreds of explosive charges along with miles of initiating cable and miles more detonating cord. And you would find evidence left behind of all these explosive charges, blasting caps and tubes.

Furthermore says Loizeaux, when you are dealing with charges big enough to bring down a building like Tower 7: "The amount of air that's displaced will break windows easily.

"There were a lot of broken windows mainly through impact debris. But I didn't see windows broken on the backs of building, only where debris falling from the Towers struck it.

"But come round the back side, no windows were broken there.

"They were shielded from debris falling. If explosives of the magnitude necessary to cut the columns in a big building, were detonated the windows all the way round would have been shattered. No way round it."

Dr Gene Corley, the lead investigator for the first inquiry by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (Fema) told the BBC: "We looked at everything.

"Controlled demolition was ruled out because there was no evidence of controlled demolition ... we looked for it, yes, and we found no evidence of controlled demolition."

FEMA INVESTIGATION 2004

A number of people from the Fema investigation helped out immediately after the attacks, and shortly afterwards other team members began arriving to begin their investigation.

Every inch of the site was picked over by hundreds of people. No one reported any signs of explosives.

This sounds very reasonable. I have watched a show where they were imploding old buildings and yes, there would have been lots of prep work to the building over many hours that would not have gone unnoticed. The US Government had nothing to do with the downing of those towers and I believe it's just as reported.... muslim terrorists flew those planes into them. An aircraft laden with fuel makes a hell of a bomb.

[Don]

Blowing up a building like that would have caused noise loud enough to crack the sound barrier, Windows would have blown out and eardrums would have ruptured. Just the sonic boom from the Space shuttle coming in for landing at Beale AFB is enough to rattle windows 100 miles away in L.A. That kind of sound in a downtown building of that size that hadn't been prepped for a demolition would have been devastating.

[Saint John]

Blowing up a building like that would have caused noise loud enough to crack the sound barrier, Windows would have blown out and eardrums would have ruptured. Just the sonic boom from the Space shuttle coming in for landing at Beale AFB is enough to rattle windows 100 miles away in L.A. That kind of sound in a downtown building of that size that hadn't been prepped for a demolition would have been devastating.

Right on, Don. Not to menthion this:

Well, if the WTC was "professionally" demolished, one would expect to see a regular succession of clearly discernible dust puffs (generated by the explosives) keeping just ahead of the collapsing zone, at least initially. Such puffs should be forming visibly for several seconds - 110 stories, you see. Instead, we see a steadily increasing outpouring of dust from the collapse-zone itself, and finally an enormous, billowing dustcloud, both of which are adequately accounted for by the rapidly increasing air blast brought about by the collapsing layers.

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[Behshad]

I vote for a cage fight between FactFinder and Journey/Survivor. May the most annoying guy win

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[treetopovskaya]

it's sad that there are people out there making money off 9-11.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/16/Zs5jWvu4tR8

makers of loose change have been debunked & very much... owned. these guys are scum of the earth & hopefully will rot in hell.

any engineer will explain to you how & why those towers fell. imagine if someone stood on your hand... now imagine that person jumping down on your hand. there's a difference between dead & live weight. once those floors started to fall there was nothing to stop them... no resistance.

I fully agree that no-one should be trying to make money off of what happened on 9/11. The makers of loose change have made Loose Change available for free download.

They have humiliated those to morons from Popular Mechanics, they owned those lying idiots idiots. Wake the hell up!

Thank God for the people like the Loose Change guys that are trying to make the truth known to everyone!

And there most certainly would be major resistance to the towers collapsing, to suggest otherwise is insane.

name it.

you're obviously not a structural engineer. floors aren't made to support the floors above them... or a giant passenger plane. when they started to fall there was nothing to stop them.

[treetopovskaya]

It makes me want to puke the way some people will try to dismiss what certain members of this government did on 9/11 simply because it was mainly carried out by the political group that they support.

The mass freakin murder of roughly three thousand people was carried out that day, but there are people who will try to keep the truth hidden so it doesn't make their precious political party look bad.

speaking just for myself... i don't belong to any party.

if you really believe this crap how can you sleep at night? if i believed this shit i wouldn't sleep until the people were brought to justice. if people in our gov believe this why are they doing nothing about it? why?

[Journey/Survivor]

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[treetopovskaya]

if i really believed our gov had anything to do with 9-11 the last place i would be is on some message board. i think i would be trying to bring our gov to justice.

truthers are tools... the more they yak the stupider they make themselves look.