generations

[steveo777]

What I still don't understand is how that album got released with that substandard of sound quality. It really does suck. It's too bad too because it has some great songs on it.

[Ehwmatt]

What I still don't understand is how that album got released with that substandard of sound quality. It really does suck. It's too bad too because it has some great songs on it.

Regarding that, did any one ever make a definitive A/B comparison of the disc given out at the concert vs the later-released retail version? I could swear I heard a bit of an improvement with the commercial version, but it might have just been my wishful thinking/expectations. I don't have a concert disc any more to compare w/ the retail disc, and I'm not even sure I could actually dig the retail CD itself up any more - it's all been ripped on here for so long.

[Rockindeano]

The only thing I wish is that Augeri's vocals were as good as they were on Generations. Somebody said it was b/c Augeri was sick while recording Arrival, but his vocals are definitely stronger on Generations.

Jana, are you drinking? Augeri was so bad during Generations recording, that it took almost one entire month, to record the first song on the disc. This was the warning signs that went unheeded. Why do you think there were so many singers on that disc? Augeri was toast. Hell, you can thank pro tools for the Augeri voice on Generations. He sure as Hell couldn't sing those songs half as good live, and that has been proven, obviously.

I love also The Place in Your Heart. I forgot how many songs I like on Generations. I will have to pull that back out. But not even close to Arrival.

Actually, the first three songs off Generations stack up well to any three off Arrival.

Believe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VdomOm_TE4

You must be joking. This, along with Can Do, may be the worst song ever recorded by Journey. It just doesn't go anywhere..circles itself and is pure garbage. I asked Neal one drunken night in Beantown, I said "dude, how the fuck did Believe make it onto Generations?" And he quickly retorted, "I didn't write it!"

[FishinMagician]

WTF? now everyone likes generation( or parts of it)? about a year or 2 ago everyone here shit all over it and I was hard pressed to find someone who liked it!
and I think the sound quality is better than Revelation, for I can actually hear guitars and not compression!

[Jana]

The only thing I wish is that Augeri's vocals were as good as they were on Generations. Somebody said it was b/c Augeri was sick while recording Arrival, but his vocals are definitely stronger on Generations.

Jana, are you drinking? Augeri was so bad during Generations recording, that it took almost one entire month, to record the first song on the disc. This was the warning signs that went unheeded. Why do you think there were so many singers on that disc? Augeri was toast. Hell, you can thank pro tools for the Augeri voice on Generations. He sure as Hell couldn't sing those songs half as good live, and that has been proven, obviously.

I love also The Place in Your Heart. I forgot how many songs I like on Generations. I will have to pull that back out. But not even close to Arrival.

Actually, the first three songs off Generations stack up well to any three off Arrival.

Believe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VdomOm_TE4

You must be joking. This, along with Can Do, may be the worst song ever recorded by Journey. It just doesn't go anywhere..circles itself and is pure garbage. I asked Neal one drunken night in Beantown, I said "dude, how the fuck did Believe make it onto Generations?" And he quickly retorted, "I didn't write it!"

Yeah, you make sense about his voice not being strong by then b/c of touring. But he does sound stronger on Generations. It is probably Pro tools.

Re Arrival v. Generations. I wasn't talking about individual songs stacking up against each other. I meant that as a whole Arrival is heads above Generations.

I like Believe.

[jestor92]

Faith In The Heartland
The Place In Your Heart
A Better Life
Knowing That You Love Me
Out Of Harms Way
Gone Crazy
Beyond The Clouds (love what Deen added to that song vocally)
Never Too Late
Every Generation
Instrumental or rerecorded version of Walking Away From The Edge

would've made a very solid Journey album. The rest of the tracks on there saved for In Self Defense are terrible. I for one like Gone Crazy because musically it's a fun song and I like the Valory vocals as it makes it a fun track that isn't your typical cookie cutter Journey track.

If they'd have made Revelations and Generations one album

Faith In The Heartland
The Place In Your Heart
Knowing That You Love Me
Beyond The Clouds
Never Too Late
Never Walk Away
Change For The Better
After All These Years
A Better Life
Out Of Harms Way

would've made a killer album.

I've seen a lot of love for Sunflower, but why? The song sounds like a blatant rip off of Lights in my ears. Every time I hear that song I want to start singing Lights.

[fredinator]

I just listened to Knowing That You Love Me again and realized why I love it so much--it's the guitar work on there. Reminds me of some of the old classics where Neal played a really beautiful tune without all the doodling of the notes (love ya, Neal). The doodling is fine; I think it's the nostalgia factor that really, really captivates me. Maybe it kind of reminds me of Spaceman and how sweet the playing is on there? I don't know. Ramble ramble.

Here's Spaceman anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GKiqzgDEKs

You can really hear Ross on these, too. Neal's laugh at the end, priceless.

[Red13JoePa]

Yeah, you make sense about his voice not being strong by then b/c of touring. But he does sound stronger on Generations. It is probably Pro tools.

I don't think there was much of that, just several takes, that's the advantage of the studio.
Your point is right though, he never sounded better on an album than Generations, regardless of HOW it came about.
The end result's the end result.

Probably the same thing happened with the TBF vox, the best of a bunch of takes comprise the lead vocal, and it's studio so who cares?

[Lula]

I just listened to Knowing That You Love Me again and realized why I love it so much--it's the guitar work on there. Reminds me of some of the old classics where Neal played a really beautiful tune without all the doodling of the notes (love ya, Neal). The doodling is fine; I think it's the nostalgia factor that really, really captivates me. Maybe it kind of reminds me of Spaceman and how sweet the playing is on there? I don't know. Ramble ramble.

Here's Spaceman anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GKiqzgDEKs

You can really hear Ross on these, too. Neal's laugh at the end, priceless.

bingo!! the guitar is lovely and classic neal. i also enjoy the guitar work on "beyond the clouds."

i saw something like 25 shows on this tour and spent my 40th bday at a show. i have a picture with the whole band which was an amazing experience. the journey boys were very kind to me with their time and sharing their sense of humors.... memories.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, you make sense about his voice not being strong by then b/c of touring. But he does sound stronger on Generations. It is probably Pro tools.

I don't think there was much of that, just several takes, that's the advantage of the studio.

Are you mentally disabled dude? Generations took an eternity for them to record, so long in fact, due to Augeri's inability to sing the goddamned song, they had to go to Pro tools.

Your point is right though, he never sounded better on an album than Generations, regardless of HOW it came about.
The end result's the end result.

I suppose so.

Probably the same thing happened with the TBF vox, the best of a bunch of takes comprise the lead vocal, and it's studio so who cares?

Actually TBF was recorded in less than two weeks, front to back. Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

[Red13JoePa]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

[RobbieG]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

[Ehwmatt]

I just listened to Knowing That You Love Me again and realized why I love it so much--it's the guitar work on there. Reminds me of some of the old classics where Neal played a really beautiful tune without all the doodling of the notes (love ya, Neal). The doodling is fine; I think it's the nostalgia factor that really, really captivates me. Maybe it kind of reminds me of Spaceman and how sweet the playing is on there? I don't know. Ramble ramble.

Here's Spaceman anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GKiqzgDEKs

You can really hear Ross on these, too. Neal's laugh at the end, priceless.

bingo!! the guitar is lovely and classic neal. i also enjoy the guitar work on "beyond the clouds."

i saw something like 25 shows on this tour and spent my 40th bday at a show. i have a picture with the whole band which was an amazing experience. the journey boys were very kind to me with their time and sharing their sense of humors.... memories.

Beyond the Clouds guitar work is great. I especially love the laid-back interplay between Neal's licks and Augeri's "hoo-hoo-hoo"'s in the outro. Reminds me of I'll Be Alright Without You

[Rockindeano]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

[RobbieG]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

[brywool]

Only track I don't like is Ross's. (Wasn't there a bonus Cain track too, I remember not liking that one...).

"Every Generation" would be the next to axe. Had Augeri done the vocal track on it, I would've appreciated it much more.

Always loved Schon's track, don't mind "Butterfly" or "Believe". "Believe" reminds of "I've Gotta Feeling" by the Beatles. Same chords in the verse. "Butterfly" reminds me of a Something Corporate song that has super similar lyrical content- "Me and the Moon" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv823WTV9lc)- 'cept in that version, the woman kills the hubby. Good stuff.

Funny, I just listened to this and Arrival this morning. Haven't listened to either in a while.

"Knowing that You Love Me" is a favorite. Great ballad.
"Better Together"," Never Too Late", "A Better Life" are great tracks.

[Red13JoePa]

Only track I don't like is Ross's. (Wasn't there a bonus Cain track too, I remember not liking that one...).

The Pride Of The Family. Very minimilistic Schon/Cain track with (I think) just piano and guitar. It's actually a moody, atmospheric song, like it alot. Given the choice between the 2 I'd given Japan Never Too Late and taken TPOTF as the US bonus track.

Yes, Dean, I own it because of you, thx.

[Ehwmatt]

I've asked before, but why the hell was Never Too Late a bonus track? And why was it never played live? Particularly after the retail US release included it as a regular track...

[Archetype]

Journey has a nice greatest hits from their post-perry era.

1. Remember Me
2. Signs Of Life
3. Never Walk Away
4. State Of Grace
5. After All These Years
6. Faith In The Heartland
7. A Better Life
8. Higher Place
9. Change For The Better
10. Place In Your Heart
11. All The Way
12. Where Did I Lose Your Love
13. Turn Down The World Tonight
14. Live And Breathe

[brywool]

I always thought it was decent. I didn't dig the fidelity though. The drums sound terrible to me.

[Saint John]

The drums sound terrible to me.

That's how I feel about the entire album.

[Vladan]

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

[Ehwmatt]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Well Vlad, song quality has alot to do with that. If Back Talk had been on Generations and we could time machine it back to Frontiers for SP to sing on, it would still be a shit song. Arrival is a great album, just as good as most of their older albums. SP was great, but please, let's not get carried away and think songs like What It Takes to Win, Believe, or Better Together would be any better with SP. They wouldn't be.

[Vladan]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Well Vlad, song quality has alot to do with that. If Back Talk had been on Generations and we could time machine it back to Frontiers for SP to sing on, it would still be a shit song. Arrival is a great album, just as good as most of their older albums. SP was great, but please, let's not get carried away and think songs like What It Takes to Win, Believe, or Better Together would be any better with SP. They wouldn't be.

I agree with you for the most, part, though I just think Steve Perry could sing anything that was a bad song, and make is great, he's the man. Perry could go take a dump in the toilet, and go and get the biggest liar and theif on the planet to just take a look inside the toilet bowl for 2 minutes, and that theif would come out an honest man, that's how awesome Steve Perry was.

[Ehwmatt]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Well Vlad, song quality has alot to do with that. If Back Talk had been on Generations and we could time machine it back to Frontiers for SP to sing on, it would still be a shit song. Arrival is a great album, just as good as most of their older albums. SP was great, but please, let's not get carried away and think songs like What It Takes to Win, Believe, or Better Together would be any better with SP. They wouldn't be.

I agree with you for the most, part, though I just think Steve Perry could sing anything that was a bad song, and make is great, he's the man. Perry could go take a dump in the toilet, and go and get the biggest liar and theif on the planet to just take a look inside the toilet bown for 2 minutes, and that theif would come out an honest man, that's how awesome Steve Perry was.

Come on dude, now you're sounding like some 400 pound behemoth loon. A bad song is a bad song, I don't care if it's Elvis, SP, or Lady GaGa on vox, a bad song is a bad song.

[Jana]

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Disagree. I wouldn't want Perry on Arrival at all. He would oversing and overemote on this album. I like the blusey, understated, soulful vocal delivery of Augeri on this CD, which Arrival has a different vibe musically and Augeri suits it well. You're a loon and you can't see anything as great without Perry. Fine. I will take Arrival over Trial By Fire any day.

[Jana]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Well Vlad, song quality has alot to do with that. If Back Talk had been on Generations and we could time machine it back to Frontiers for SP to sing on, it would still be a shit song. Arrival is a great album, just as good as most of their older albums. SP was great, but please, let's not get carried away and think songs like What It Takes to Win, Believe, or Better Together would be any better with SP. They wouldn't be.

I agree with you for the most, part, though I just think Steve Perry could sing anything that was a bad song, and make is great, he's the man. Perry could go take a dump in the toilet, and go and get the biggest liar and theif on the planet to just take a look inside the toilet bown for 2 minutes, and that theif would come out an honest man, that's how awesome Steve Perry was.

Come on dude, now you're sounding like some 400 pound behemoth loon. A bad song is a bad song, I don't care if it's Elvis, SP, or Lady GaGa on vox, a bad song is a bad song.

One thing praising about all the awesome music Perry did, but the lengths Valadan is carrying on, he sounds like a Loon stalker to me.

Forget helping a bad song. Steve Perry absolutely hurt this song, which was a good song. Maybe Arnel could make it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvxj3Z6qSMQ

[kgdjpubs]

Forget helping a bad song. Steve Perry absolutely hurt this song, which was a good song. Maybe Arnel could make it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvxj3Z6qSMQ

I always thought Augeri did the best vocal on that one. Never liked it until I heard Augeri's version live on the '98 tour.

Perry may be a better singer, but Augeri is a better blues singer. Perry is Sam Cooke soul through and through.

[parfait]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Well Vlad, song quality has alot to do with that. If Back Talk had been on Generations and we could time machine it back to Frontiers for SP to sing on, it would still be a shit song. Arrival is a great album, just as good as most of their older albums. SP was great, but please, let's not get carried away and think songs like What It Takes to Win, Believe, or Better Together would be any better with SP. They wouldn't be.

I agree with you for the most, part, though I just think Steve Perry could sing anything that was a bad song, and make is great, he's the man. Perry could go take a dump in the toilet, and go and get the biggest liar and theif on the planet to just take a look inside the toilet bowl for 2 minutes, and that theif would come out an honest man, that's how awesome Steve Perry was.

First of all dude; pasta salad isn't pasta. It's a god damn salad. And from the looks of your McCain sized cheeks; lay of the carbs altogether. Second: Frontiers and Escape isn't that good. Journey were(was?) with Rollie.

You can't be serious about Perry; I mean, ok, he WAS arguably the best male vocalist ever, but he sure wasn't on Trial by Fire. The songs on Arrival is a lot better than what's on TBF, but I still think TBF trumps anything Journey put out post Perry - why? Cause Steve Smith lays down the best groove of his life. Castronovo will never be able to match Smith. Castronovo is a great addition to the band, don't get me wrong, but he got real poor timing and feel. The point is though; that TBF's only real weakness is mr. Kittens voice. That's it.

Man, you seriously got to wash those drenched panties of yours, and come join the real world. Steve Perry can't do it anymore.

[Vladan]

Me thinks it didn't take Perry a month to do one song.

You"thinks" a lot of things about him now that you didn't thinks for YEARS on this board.

There's the biggest douche, right on time. What a piece of shit you are.

Lol Deano, where did that come from, oh well. Back on topic, you know... this is one debate i'd like to end right now, with a clean and simple statment, it goes something like this...

And Revelation, Arrival, Generations, Constellations, Manipulation, ect... are missing something. You know like when you make a pasta salad, but for life of you, you can't find the pasta in the kitchen... so!? you make the food anyway, you eat it, sure it's filling, but it aint pasta... you survive, you get by.... barely. Generations is missing Steve Perry, that's it.

You know, we can go on and on, about how Journey was successfull before and after Steve Perry, but I don't see anyone raging on Infinity, Escape, Frontiers?... gee I wonder why.

Because they are actually good???.

Well Vlad, song quality has alot to do with that. If Back Talk had been on Generations and we could time machine it back to Frontiers for SP to sing on, it would still be a shit song. Arrival is a great album, just as good as most of their older albums. SP was great, but please, let's not get carried away and think songs like What It Takes to Win, Believe, or Better Together would be any better with SP. They wouldn't be.

I agree with you for the most, part, though I just think Steve Perry could sing anything that was a bad song, and make is great, he's the man. Perry could go take a dump in the toilet, and go and get the biggest liar and theif on the planet to just take a look inside the toilet bown for 2 minutes, and that theif would come out an honest man, that's how awesome Steve Perry was.

Come on dude, now you're sounding like some 400 pound behemoth loon. A bad song is a bad song, I don't care if it's Elvis, SP, or Lady GaGa on vox, a bad song is a bad song.

One thing praising about all the awesome music Perry did, but the lengths Valadan is carrying on, he sounds like a Loon stalker to me.

Forget helping a bad song. Steve Perry absolutely hurt this song, which was a good song. Maybe Arnel could make it better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvxj3Z6qSMQ

You know when somebody loses an arguement about music? or just anything in general, it's when people start calling the other person hurtfull names, and taking it personal, when the topic goes in completly the opposite direction, that's a clear indication of desperation and realisation, you've lost.

Thanks for coming.

Next...