Did the discovery of cooking make us human?

[Behshad]

Utter Bullshit indeed ^^^^^^ thar really proves that we come from the apes.

You know you won't convince any of us who don't believe in it. So what's your point, King Kong ?!

I know I won't convince you, B, but I also don't have to sit by and see bullshit being proclaimed as reasoned, logical, informed argument without crying foul.

Here's the secret, babe - I don't have to convince you. What you believe, what I believe, is ultimately irrelevent. What is important is that scientific debate not be shut down because religious beliefs do not agree with what science currently thinks. If we let that happen, we'd still say the sun, stars and planets go around the earth, we'd still have no knowledge of human anatomy, no surgery and extremely primitive medicine, we'd still be living in a primitive society.

Fortunately, we live in a world where people are able to have different beliefs and different ideas.

But then again you think what anyone else is wrong based on your belief. So you speak up to set me straight. With your scientist crap. And I'll tell u to shove it. And round and around we go. You ARE trying to convince me and those who don't agree with you cause you can't stand to see things any other way.

I on the other hand tell you to believe what you want , but keep in mind , it may not be as 100% correct as you think it is.

[Behshad]

Behshad, do you believe in Jesus?

Nope. I believe he existed. But I am not a Christian. I don't believe in any religions. I believe in God. The creator of all this. But that's just my belief. I don't suggest that scientist prove that there is a god.

[Arianddu]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B doesn't think evolution exists. Parfait and I disagree. B and I indulged in some friendly disputation. Parfait got cranky and posted a list of links. B went all Factfinder and posted a barrage of other links. StevePerrysHair and I jumped in with some discussion on what a theory actually is, having pointed out that Parfait got a few claims wrong. A few other people have chimed in here or there with their particular views on it all. My advice to Parfait to relax and not take it so seriously included a suggestion he laugh at American cheese, which lead onto an explaination of how I found brie in a can in a Florida supermarket, along with an entire aisle of corn syrup. That lead into a side conversation about food additives and how fat-free is not the same thing as low calorie, and somehow Baked Lays became important (I think the point is that they have less calories than regular lays, but you still shouldn't eat an entire bag. I have no idea what they actually are, so I'm taking this one on faith.)

Was that enough of a quickie for you?

[artist4perry]

Ok, B has started channeling Cut'n'paste...er, Factfinder, and this appears to be rapidly developing into a pissing contest. As I lack the requisit genitals for this particular fight, I'm abandonning the topic. [1]

B - I love you, I just don't agree with you, on this topic at least. Congratulations - you just joined Ginger in my catagory of people I still think are fabulous despite not agreeing with them on rather a lot of things.

Parfait - chill, babe. I fully understand your frustration. You are't going to make any converts on a music website, and arguing with half facts, or dodgy or poorly worded scientific understanding doesn't help the case. Drink some good French wine, relax, and have a good belly laugh at these poor fools condemned to live in a country that produces plastic and calls it cheese. I mean, this is the nation that sells brie in a can.

Matt - you are dead on, my friend; it's a fascinating topic with all kinds of thought provoking ideas and debate. Sadly, I need some sleep!


[1]Ok, ok, I'm really leaving the field because I have to get some sleep tonight and I can't afford the time to point out the flaws in all the things B posted.

We can disagree and yet find common ground. I respect most oppinions on here, and everyone has a right to theirs even if they forgot to ask me for permission!

[Arianddu]

Great example Ari beween sceince and beleiefs.

You aren't a scientist , hence the crap you believe in is just YOUR BELIEF !


And the same hypothesis of earth being flat was a belief of common people till it was proven wrong.

How do you know I'm not a scientist? Didn't you get the bulletin that says I worked out how to harness the energy of the moon?

[Behshad]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B doesn't think evolution exists. Parfait and I disagree. B and I indulged in some friendly disputation. Parfait got cranky and posted a list of links. B went all Factfinder and posted a barrage of other links. StevePerrysHair and I jumped in with some discussion on what a theory actually is, having pointed out that Parfait got a few claims wrong. A few other people have chimed in here or there with their particular views on it all. My advice to Parfait to relax and not take it so seriously included a suggestion he laugh at American cheese, which lead onto an explaination of how I found brie in a can in a Florida supermarket, along with an entire aisle of corn syrup. That lead into a side conversation about food additives and how fat-free is not the same thing as low calorie, and somehow Baked Lays became important (I think the point is that they have less calories than regular lays, but you still shouldn't eat an entire bag. I have no idea what they actually are, so I'm taking this one on faith.)

Was that enough of a quickie for you?

That should put him to sleep. NiteyNite Jason

[artist4perry]

Great example Ari beween sceince and beleiefs.

You aren't a scientist , hence the crap you believe in is just YOUR BELIEF !


And the same hypothesis of earth being flat was a belief of common people till it was proven wrong.

How do you know I'm not a scientist? Didn't you get the bulletin that says I worked out how to harness the energy of the moon?

Was that on the memo from the beagle in the raincoat?

[Arianddu]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B doesn't think evolution exists. Parfait and I disagree. B and I indulged in some friendly disputation. Parfait got cranky and posted a list of links. B went all Factfinder and posted a barrage of other links. StevePerrysHair and I jumped in with some discussion on what a theory actually is, having pointed out that Parfait got a few claims wrong. A few other people have chimed in here or there with their particular views on it all. My advice to Parfait to relax and not take it so seriously included a suggestion he laugh at American cheese, which lead onto an explaination of how I found brie in a can in a Florida supermarket, along with an entire aisle of corn syrup. That lead into a side conversation about food additives and how fat-free is not the same thing as low calorie, and somehow Baked Lays became important (I think the point is that they have less calories than regular lays, but you still shouldn't eat an entire bag. I have no idea what they actually are, so I'm taking this one on faith.)

Was that enough of a quickie for you?

That should put him to sleep. NiteyNite Jason

Hey, a quickie from me is enough to wear out any man!

[Arianddu]

Great example Ari beween sceince and beleiefs.

You aren't a scientist , hence the crap you believe in is just YOUR BELIEF !


And the same hypothesis of earth being flat was a belief of common people till it was proven wrong.

How do you know I'm not a scientist? Didn't you get the bulletin that says I worked out how to harness the energy of the moon?

Was that on the memo from the beagle in the raincoat?

The beagle thinks everyone who posts on this site is a loony, and if we could only harvest the energy from the hot air spouted here, we could power a small city. I think he's crazy - it wouldn't need to be a small city.

[steveo777]

Behshad, do you believe in Jesus?

Nope. I believe he existed. But I am not a Christian. I don't believe in any religions. I believe in God. The creator of all this. But that's just my belief. I don't suggest that scientist prove that there is a god.

Beshad, do you believe in Allah?
Do you like movies about gladiators?
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

[artist4perry]

Great example Ari beween sceince and beleiefs.

You aren't a scientist , hence the crap you believe in is just YOUR BELIEF !


And the same hypothesis of earth being flat was a belief of common people till it was proven wrong.

How do you know I'm not a scientist? Didn't you get the bulletin that says I worked out how to harness the energy of the moon?

Was that on the memo from the beagle in the raincoat?

The beagle thinks everyone who posts on this site is a loony, and if we could only harvest the energy from the hot air spouted here, we could power a small city. I think he's crazy - it wouldn't need to be a small city.

Maybe a planet.......or a solar system. But then a cow might fart and the universe will implode...........these things are tricky.

[JasonD]

Behshad, do you believe in Jesus?

Nope. I believe he existed. But I am not a Christian. I don't believe in any religions. I believe in God. The creator of all this. But that's just my belief. I don't suggest that scientist prove that there is a god.

Fair enough. I probably should have just come right out & asked that point blank b/c that's really what I was getting at when I asked my earlier question.

[Arianddu]

The beagle thinks everyone who posts on this site is a loony, and if we could only harvest the energy from the hot air spouted here, we could power a small city. I think he's crazy - it wouldn't need to be a small city.

Maybe a planet.......or a solar system. But then a cow might fart and the universe will implode...........these things are tricky.

Now THERE'S a theory to get excited about - the Universe begins with a big bang and ends with a cow fart. I like it!

[artist4perry]

The beagle thinks everyone who posts on this site is a loony, and if we could only harvest the energy from the hot air spouted here, we could power a small city. I think he's crazy - it wouldn't need to be a small city.

Maybe a planet.......or a solar system. But then a cow might fart and the universe will implode...........these things are tricky.

Now THERE'S a theory to get excited about - the Universe begins with a big bang and ends with a cow fart. I like it!

Pleasent exchanges of gases and elements...............smelly end though..........I fed the cow bean burritos......

[Arianddu]

Pleasent exchanges of gases and elements...............smelly end though..........I fed the cow bean burritos......

there's a joke about mexican donkeys in there somewhere, but I can't remember how to spell it.

[JasonD]

God doesn't believe in atheist.


Just saying.....

[artist4perry]

Pleasent exchanges of gases and elements...............smelly end though..........I fed the cow bean burritos......

there's a joke about mexican donkeys in there somewhere, but I can't remember how to spell it.

Well as bad as I feel tonight I can't spell anything. LOL! Nor do I care. So no witty discussions on the universe tonight. Light hearted yes, witty no. So basicly same old same old! LOL! I am glad for all the universe, I have great coversations with great folks on this site. We agree and disagree, sometimes passionately.......but it is great.

Ari, my friend, you made me laugh after an abominable day, and I have a throat infection so laughing is not all that easy! LOL! Thank you........it has been a rough week.

[artist4perry]

God doesn't believe in atheist.


Just saying.....

Nope, but isn't it grand he still loves them?

[Arianddu]

Pleasent exchanges of gases and elements...............smelly end though..........I fed the cow bean burritos......

there's a joke about mexican donkeys in there somewhere, but I can't remember how to spell it.

Well as bad as I feel tonight I can't spell anything. LOL! Nor do I care. So no witty discussions on the universe tonight. Light hearted yes, witty no. So basicly same old same old! LOL! I am glad for all the universe, I have great coversations with great folks on this site. We agree and disagree, sometimes passionately.......but it is great.

Ari, my friend, you made me laugh after an abominable day, and I have a throat infection so laughing is not all that easy! LOL! Thank you........it has been a rough week.

Get better soon, Gingergirl - hot salt-water gargles always help my sore throats (start the stop watch to Stevie-woo's obvious comment...) And I agree, it is great. Fortunately it's never too serious. Unless we're talking about whether or not Steve Perry knew he wasn't going to tour the Trial By Fire album, of course.

[Ehwmatt]

Pleasent exchanges of gases and elements...............smelly end though..........I fed the cow bean burritos......

there's a joke about mexican donkeys in there somewhere, but I can't remember how to spell it.

Well as bad as I feel tonight I can't spell anything. LOL! Nor do I care. So no witty discussions on the universe tonight. Light hearted yes, witty no. So basicly same old same old! LOL! I am glad for all the universe, I have great coversations with great folks on this site. We agree and disagree, sometimes passionately.......but it is great.

Ari, my friend, you made me laugh after an abominable day, and I have a throat infection so laughing is not all that easy! LOL! Thank you........it has been a rough week.

Get better soon, Gingergirl - hot salt-water gargles always help my sore throats (start the stop watch to Stevie-woo's obvious comment...) And I agree, it is great. Fortunately it's never too serious. Unless we're talking about whether or not Steve Perry knew he wasn't going to tour the Trial By Fire album, of course.

Oh Dan where are you?

[artist4perry]

Pleasent exchanges of gases and elements...............smelly end though..........I fed the cow bean burritos......

there's a joke about mexican donkeys in there somewhere, but I can't remember how to spell it.

Well as bad as I feel tonight I can't spell anything. LOL! Nor do I care. So no witty discussions on the universe tonight. Light hearted yes, witty no. So basicly same old same old! LOL! I am glad for all the universe, I have great coversations with great folks on this site. We agree and disagree, sometimes passionately.......but it is great.

Ari, my friend, you made me laugh after an abominable day, and I have a throat infection so laughing is not all that easy! LOL! Thank you........it has been a rough week.

Get better soon, Gingergirl - hot salt-water gargles always help my sore throats (start the stop watch to Stevie-woo's obvious comment...) And I agree, it is great. Fortunately it's never too serious. Unless we're talking about whether or not Steve Perry knew he wasn't going to tour the Trial By Fire album, of course.

Thank you Ari, Steve Perry once punched my kitten so he wouldn't be able to tour on the Trial By Fire Album......seriously....he thought it would be held up in litigation for years..........my kitten was not a-mew-sed.

Man the doctor put me on some loopy drugs......................

[Saint John]

hot salt-water gargles always help my sore throats

So that's what it tastes like, huh?

whether or not Steve Perry knew he wasn't going to tour the Trial By Fire album, of course.

That tour consisted of exactly what he always had in mind ... nothing.

[Don]

Salt slurpee

[stevew2]

God doesn't believe in atheist.


Just saying.....

Thats fair they dont beleive in him either. You sign made me laugh, funkin orville redenbaker

[Behshad]

God doesn't believe in atheist.


Just saying.....

Thats fair they dont beleive in him either. You sign made me laugh, funkin orville redenbaker

You are possibly a part of reversed evolution

[stevew2]

God doesn't believe in atheist.


Just saying.....

Thats fair they dont beleive in him either. You sign made me laugh, funkin orville redenbaker

You are possibly a part of reversed evolution

ill be one of these next week

[Behshad]

God doesn't believe in atheist.


Just saying.....

Thats fair they dont beleive in him either. You sign made me laugh, funkin orville redenbaker

You are possibly a part of reversed evolution

ill be one of these next week

At least I didn't have to explain or to you this time. You rock !!

[stevew2]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B doesn't think evolution exists. Parfait and I disagree. B and I indulged in some friendly disputation. Parfait got cranky and posted a list of links. B went all Factfinder and posted a barrage of other links. StevePerrysHair and I jumped in with some discussion on what a theory actually is, having pointed out that Parfait got a few claims wrong. A few other people have chimed in here or there with their particular views on it all. My advice to Parfait to relax and not take it so seriously included a suggestion he laugh at American cheese, which lead onto an explaination of how I found brie in a can in a Florida supermarket, along with an entire aisle of corn syrup. That lead into a side conversation about food additives and how fat-free is not the same thing as low calorie, and somehow Baked Lays became important (I think the point is that they have less calories than regular lays, but you still shouldn't eat an entire bag. I have no idea what they actually are, so I'm taking this one on faith.)

Was that enough of a quickie for you?

That should put him to sleep. NiteyNite Jason

He is only good for a "quickie" anyway

[G.I.Jim]

Yep, I have heard about mutations. Now can you give me an example of one of them that survived as long as it's parents and has branched off into something new that could produce it's own offspring that were just as healthy?

1. Anybody with blues eyes. Or green for that matter. Benign mutations that survive within our population with no adverse affect.

2. White mice with pink eyes. Every white mouse on the planet is decended from one single pair of albino mice, twin females from the same litter. We even know who the mice were; they were given to the Temple of Apollo in Delphi as it was believed they were a gift from the divine, and were kept there as sacred animals.

3. Carriers of sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia who live in areas where malaria is endemic. Both are recessive genes, both are fatal if you receive the gene from both parents, both, however, will confer immunity from malaria if you are a carrier, i.e. have the gene from only one parent.

Every single species on earth exists because of mutations that make them different. Not all mutations are harmful. Everything that makes you different from the man standing next to you comes from a mutation in one of your ancestors.

Notice anything about what you just stated? They're still eyes. They didn't grow horns, or wings, or anything else than what was supposed to be present. In order for evolution to be a viable explanation, there HAVE to be examples in nature of something giving birth to something else with different physical traits that show signs of evolving into something different. Do you have any examples?

[parfait]

Yep, I have heard about mutations. Now can you give me an example of one of them that survived as long as it's parents and has branched off into something new that could produce it's own offspring that were just as healthy?

1. Anybody with blues eyes. Or green for that matter. Benign mutations that survive within our population with no adverse affect.

2. White mice with pink eyes. Every white mouse on the planet is decended from one single pair of albino mice, twin females from the same litter. We even know who the mice were; they were given to the Temple of Apollo in Delphi as it was believed they were a gift from the divine, and were kept there as sacred animals.

3. Carriers of sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia who live in areas where malaria is endemic. Both are recessive genes, both are fatal if you receive the gene from both parents, both, however, will confer immunity from malaria if you are a carrier, i.e. have the gene from only one parent.

Every single species on earth exists because of mutations that make them different. Not all mutations are harmful. Everything that makes you different from the man standing next to you comes from a mutation in one of your ancestors.

Notice anything about what you just stated? They're still eyes. They didn't grow horns, or wings, or anything else than what was supposed to be present. In order for evolution to be a viable explanation, there HAVE to be examples in nature of something giving birth to something else with different physical traits that show signs of evolving into something different. Do you have any examples?

Even Jesus is facepalming now, Jim.

Look at the primates for fucks sake. You seriously need to read a book (not the fairytale that is the bible) but a real book.