R.I.P. Global Warming...The Convenient Truth...it's not hot!

[conversationpc]

thats why they call it fair and balance... get it... they are right of everyone else being LEFT... and its why all the LEFT gets pissed that there ratings are so HIGH... THEY USED TO HAVE A DAMN MONOPLOLY on all the news... but now they dont... and that is why every chance they get... the left trys to well report that there biased... too fucking BAD...

Their domination is really unbelievable...O'Reilly, Beck, & Hannity ALL have much higher ratings than anything on MSNBC. It's really funny to listen to the libs squirm, postulate, and perform mental gymnastics/histrionics when it's even mentioned.

[Rockindeano]

thats why they call it fair and balance... get it... they are right of everyone else being LEFT... and its why all the LEFT gets pissed that there ratings are so HIGH... THEY USED TO HAVE A DAMN MONOPLOLY on all the news... but now they dont... and that is why every chance they get... the left trys to well report that there biased... too fucking BAD...

Their domination is really unbelievable...O'Reilly, Beck, & Hannity ALL have much higher ratings than anything on MSNBC. It's really funny to listen to the libs squirm, postulate, and perform mental gymnastics/histrionics when it's even mentioned.

Firstly, CNN is as balanced and fair as a media outlet can get.

Secondly, be proud. Be proud that your station directly feeds lies, deceit and propaganda to the viewer. You must all feel so good. As if being an O reilly or Hannity listener is something to be proud of? Good God, look at yourselves and that comment. You admit that freely? Nothing like thinking for yourselves. Fucking sheep. At least MSNBC doesn't hire every Democratic ex Governor, White House aid and other officials to co host a program on it's air. THAT is really pathetic. LOL, Sarah Palin on Fox. You really think she is helping ratings, or providing any kind of informal insight or knowledge? LOL, you morons slay me.

[7 Wishes]

MSNBC is the only bastion of liberalism. They even manage to have a balanced mixed of Democratic and Republican speakers and politicians during their programs, with the exception of Olbermann. I don't know from whence you hail, but ALL the local major network affiliates in the south are EXTREMELY right-leaning.

Hoagiepete, with all due respect - that particular organization to which you refer is notorious for its near-exclusive composition of rightist scientists and creationists. Sorry, but you're dead wrong here. EVERY major sanctioned scientific body in the world is unanimous in agreement that human kind has, at best, at least PARTIALLY contributed to man-made climate change.

That notwithstanding, we can't all be pretty boys like Dan. I'll post a pic of my homely face as my avatar one of these days.

[Monker]

Gore's rediculous comment about more snow this year because of more evaporation in the ocean is nuts.

That's funny. When the first snowstorm hit the east coast last year that is EXACTLY what I heard on CNN...that warmer air over the Atlantic ocean put more humidity in the air...so when the cold air hit, it turns to snow.

More warmth doesn't equal more humidity. Hence the difference between, say, Arizona and Florida.

More warmth in the OCEAN causes more EVAPORATION which causes more HUMIDITY. More heat in a desert just causes more whiners that it's too hot in the dessert.

Try boiling some water and see if there is more steam coming off it. Then try to heat up a pan full of sand and see what happens.

[Monker]

The Crumbling Religion of the Man-Maders

I like this better...at least he makes a better argument...and I have more respect for Michael Crichton than anybody else that you deniers copy/paste in this thread.

http://www.crichton-official.com/speech ... igion.html

[conversationpc]

The Crumbling Religion of the Man-Maders

I like this better...at least he makes a better argument...and I have more respect for Michael Crichton than anybody else that you deniers copy/paste in this thread.

http://www.crichton-official.com/speech ... igion.html

I didn't copy & paste it...I wrote it.

[conversationpc]

Firstly, CNN is as balanced and fair as a media outlet can get.

I didn't say anything about CNN. Didn't claim they were unbalanced, either. Actually, I think they've moderated some over the last few years, to tell the truth.

Secondly, be proud. Be proud that your station directly feeds lies, deceit and propaganda to the viewer. You must all feel so good. As if being an O reilly or Hannity listener is something to be proud of? Good God, look at yourselves and that comment. You admit that freely? Nothing like thinking for yourselves. Fucking sheep. At least MSNBC doesn't hire every Democratic ex Governor, White House aid and other officials to co host a program on it's air. THAT is really pathetic. LOL, Sarah Palin on Fox. You really think she is helping ratings, or providing any kind of informal insight or knowledge? LOL, you morons slay me.

1 - Fox is no more guilty of "lies, deceit and propaganda to the viewer" than is MSNBC or other liberal-leaning organizations.

2 - Get your facts correct before you make a statement. I never said I was an O'Reilly or Hannity listener. I watch their programs occasionally but they sincerely annoy me and I don't agree with them 100% of the time, either. That said, I also occasionally watch Olbermann and Madow on MSNBC. Olbermann's a sanctimonious weasel but I like to at least hear what he has to say occasionally. The last time I watched, I caught him lying about something Glenn Beck supposedly did. Checked it out and he had it completely wrong. Madow at least appears to be sincere.

3 - Don't care much for Palin anymore, either. I don't think she's as dumb as all you libs seem to think she is but she annoys the living crap out of me and I'm sick of hearing about her.

So if I'm a sheep but you can't even get your accusations straight, what does that make you?

BTW, I'll accept your apology before it's been offered. Thanks.

[Monker]

The Crumbling Religion of the Man-Maders

I like this better...at least he makes a better argument...and I have more respect for Michael Crichton than anybody else that you deniers copy/paste in this thread.

http://www.crichton-official.com/speech ... igion.html

I didn't copy & paste it...I wrote it.

And, I am speaking in general about this thread. if you want me to be specific, I would point to FF.

The thing is, you guys keep harping the same old tune about 'Clmategate'. That's really all you got...over and over and over again. For a while now some of you are comparing it to a religion. Well, I gave you a link to a good SUPPORTING argument. Funny how that fact is ignored.

[conversationpc]

And, I am speaking in general about this thread. if you want me to be specific, I would point to FF.

That's about all FF ever does and yes, it annoys me even though I typically agree with him.

The thing is, you guys keep harping the same old tune about 'Clmategate'. That's really all you got...over and over and over again. For a while now some of you are comparing it to a religion. Well, I gave you a link to a good SUPPORTING argument. Funny how that fact is ignored.

A few years ago, I brought up lots of other arguments poking holes in the man-maders religion long before Climategate ever occurred...Besides, I didn't ignore the article. I skimmed over it looked and it looks like a good article. I simply don't have time to read it right now. I don't like to comment on something I haven't yet read.

Anyway, the Climategate scandal is huge. The guy at the center of it is/was one of the leading global warming researchers for crying out loud. It's much more deserving of close scrutiny than any amount of coverage the mainstream press has given it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Anyone who thinks Fox News doesn't have a bias is fooling themselves. However, there are certainly plenty of left-leaning outlets out there like MSNBC, CBS, NBC, etc.

CBS and NBC devote at most 1-4 hours of news programming a day, much of which is devoted to non-political stories, and a heck of alot of consumerism (i.e. guests on the morning shows pimping a new movie, book, or an album etc).
There's simply no comparison to the 24-hr cable news channels.

The newscasts on the big three networks (NBC, CBS, ABC) do straight down the middle journalism just like Shep Smith on Fox.
Not peddling an agenda either way is NOT the same thing as being left-wing.
Unsurprisngly, Shep now finds himself the frequent target of emails accusing him of being liberal.
I guess when it comes to Fox, anything short of chalkboard diagrams and FEMA death camp fantasies puts you squarely on the left side of the spectrum.

As for MSNBC...before Olbermann took over, the channel used to be a rat's den of right wingers including - Tucker Carlson, Michael Savage, Joe Scarborough, Laura Ingraham, Monica Crowley, Alan Keyes - and you guys still bitched.
The channel could switch formats tommorow and the screaming right wing perescution complex would continue on.

[conversationpc]

As for MSNBC...before Olbermann took over, the channel used to be a rat's den of right wingers including - Tucker Carlson, Michael Savage, Joe Scarborough, Laura Ingraham, Monica Crowley, Alan Keyes - and you guys still bitched.

{shivers}...Savage and Keyes both nauseate me. I'm familiar with Tucker Carlson but I've never been much impressed with him. As for Joe Scarborough...Meh. I do like Laura Ingraham, though. Regardless, I didn't "bitch". I didn't start watching or even really know much about MSNBC until the last year and a half or so.

I guess when it comes to Fox, anything short of chalkboard diagrams and FEMA death camp fantasies puts you squarely on the left side of the spectrum.

If you're talking about Beck here, he brought up the FEMA death camp stuff on both his radio AND TV show in order to debunk them, which he did.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As for MSNBC...before Olbermann took over, the channel used to be a rat's den of right wingers including - Tucker Carlson, Michael Savage, Joe Scarborough, Laura Ingraham, Monica Crowley, Alan Keyes - and you guys still bitched.

{shivers}...Savage and Keyes both nauseate me. I'm familiar with Tucker Carlson but I've never been much impressed with him. As for Joe Scarborough...Meh. I do like Laura Ingraham, though. Regardless, I didn't "bitch". I didn't start watching or even really know much about MSNBC until the last year and a half or so.

Fair enough.
I just wish more Cons would realize that MSNBC only swung hard left in response to Fox's success.

[Rockindeano]

Since everybody hates the C&P let me set this straight..

There is no man made global warming..zip,zero,nada as Rush would say.

It's been debunked. They lied to you. ALGORE should go to jail!

Drive little sister drive, a big SUV.

LOL, you are exactly what's wrong with this country.

Al Gore, in jail? LOL, ok dude. Talk to me when that criminal bastard Karl Rove sets foot in prison, which he has earned.

[7 Wishes]

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1 - Fox is no more guilty of "lies, deceit and propaganda to the viewer" than is MSNBC or other liberal-leaning organizations.

Complete, total, unadulterated bull fucking shit.

Innumerable studies have proven that Fox is far more (and deliberately so) propagandist and biased.

This site tells it all:

http://mediamatters.org

And Fox viewers have been proven to be the least knowledgeable (and therefore the most gullible):

http://www.smays.com/default/2007/04/survey-daily-showcolbert-viewers-most-knowledgeable-fox-news-lowest.html

This is an unbiased nonprofit group that will give you some more insight:

http://newstrust.net/
http://newstrust.net/sources

This is cute...

http://www.foxbghsuit.com/

[7 Wishes]

[quote="Fact Finder"]
There is no man made global warming..zip,zero,nada as Rush would say.
It's been debunked. They lied to you. [quote]

Cute. Bullshit and false, mind you - but cute.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you're talking about Beck here, he brought up the FEMA death camp stuff on both his radio AND TV show in order to debunk them, which he did.

Not quite.
I know you're a fan, but I listen/watch too.
He did finally debunk it, but only after he entertained the conspiracy theory on his show(s).
Don't take my word for it, here's the flip-flop, recorded for posterity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjfdfDHjWQ

After Bush torpedoed the Republican Party, Beck changed, and under Obama he has only become more unhinged and more convinced of his own messianic importance.
The FEMA fearmongering above has become a staple of Beck's three ring circus act - he portrays an outlandish worst-case scenario, all the while playing it off as if he can't believe it himself, or is merely some reluctant messenger.
Turn on his radio show on any given day and you're likely to her him ordering his listeners to pray, telling them to buy books by Mormon wackjob Leon Von Skousen, or talking up God's role in the shaping of America.
I've listened to him for years, and I think his show has gone from being politically-incorrect and humorous to something you'd expect to hear over the loud speakers at Jonestown.
Hell, even the new theme song to his show has turned creepy...sounds like doomed Gregorian monks chanting in a monastery.
Waaaaay too self-serious.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And that didn't help them why?

Cable news/politics is already a niche market as it is.
Olbermann's ratings are nowhere near O'Reilly's, but he trumps CNN on most nights.
I personally think MSNBC will cancel all of their liberal shows, except Olbermann, by next year, but it's worth noting that Fox News operated at a loss for years before they turned a profit.

Quoting Brit Hume four years after Fox News started...

"This operation loses money. It doesn't lose nearly as much as it did at first, and it's -- well, it's hit all its projections in terms of, you know, turning a profit, but it's - it will lose money now, and we expect for a couple more years. I think it's losing about $80 million to $90 million a year."

[Rockindeano]

And that didn't help them why?

Cable news/politics is already a niche market as it is.
Olbermann's ratings are nowhere near O'Reilly's, but he trumps CNN on most nights.
I personally think MSNBC will cancel all of their liberal shows, except Olbermann, by next year, but it's worth noting that Fox News operated at a loss for years before they turned a profit.

No way does MSNBC drop Maddow. Her ratings are quite high and she knows her shit. She is a lefty to be sure, but she is very fair, and has citations for every point she makes. I am impressed by her. Of all the douches, either righties or lefties, she is clearly the best. I would love to see her debate that fat fuck Hannity. She would clean his clock.

[Monker]

Pointing is not nice.

...says the guy who has the Libertarian in his av doing lotsa pointing...

[Rockindeano]

Pointing is not nice.

...says the guy who has the Libertarian in his av doing lotsa pointing...

Owned. FF, you are done.

[conversationpc]

Not quite.
I know you're a fan, but I listen/watch too.
He did finally debunk it, but only after he entertained the conspiracy theory on his show(s).
Don't take my word for it, here's the flip-flop, recorded for posterity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjfdfDHjWQ

You're kidding me, right. He says that he wants to debunk them, that he doesn't believe them but, at the point he was on that show, he hadn't been able to do so yet. He ended up doing just that. There's nothing to see here. I listened to whole series of shows that he did on radio and TV and I NEVER had the impression that he totally believed in them. When you're researching something, you kind of have an obligation to go into it unbiased (as much as possible).

Similarly, when I started hearing the 9/11 Truther arguments, it gave me pause to consider whether there was any merit to them. Some of their points sounded alarming until I started researching them and began to find that they held no merit whatsoever.

After Bush torpedoed the Republican Party, Beck changed, and under Obama he has only become more unhinged and more convinced of his own messianic importance.
The FEMA fearmongering above has become a staple of Beck's three ring circus act - he portrays an outlandish worst-case scenario, all the while playing it off as if he can't believe it himself, or is merely some reluctant messenger.
Turn on his radio show on any given day and you're likely to her him ordering his listeners to pray, telling them to buy books by Mormon wackjob Leon Von Skousen, or talking up God's role in the shaping of America.
I've listened to him for years, and I think his show has gone from being politically-incorrect and humorous to something you'd expect to hear over the loud speakers at Jonestown.
Hell, even the new theme song to his show has turned creepy...sounds like doomed Gregorian monks chanting in a monastery.
Waaaaay too self-serious.

The new theme song is crap. No one likes it even amongst the Insiders.

Asking people to pray is fearmongering, huh? Religious bigot much?

[conversationpc]

I would love to see her debate that fat fuck Hannity. She would clean his clock.

Hannity is not all that fat and most likely in better shape than you are, at least judging by the last photo I saw of you.

[conversationpc]

Innumerable studies have proven that Fox is far more (and deliberately so) propagandist and biased.

This site tells it all:

http://mediamatters.org

I literally laughed out loud when I saw the link to Media Matters. There's a conservative alternative to MM (can't remember the name right now) and they are just as bad. Both of them twist facts to suit their own agenda.

You ALWAYS think EVERYTHING you post is COMPLETE FACT but I think you're wrong on here more often than anyone else.

Edit: I remembered the name of the other organization...MRC (Media Research Center).

[The_Noble_Cause]

Innumerable studies have proven that Fox is far more (and deliberately so) propagandist and biased.

This site tells it all:

http://mediamatters.org

I literally laughed out loud when I saw the link to Media Matters. There's a conservative alternative to MM (can't remember the name right now) and they are just as bad. Both of them twist facts to suit their own agenda.

You ALWAYS think EVERYTHING you post is COMPLETE FACT but I think you're wrong on here more often than anyone else.

Edit: I remembered the name of the other organization...MRC (Media Research Center).

Actually, both just post audio and video.
The surrounding text may be biased, but the clips speak for themselves.
I don't know what's wrong with that.

[conversationpc]

Actually, both just post audio and video.
The surrounding text may be biased, but the clips speak for themselves.
I don't know what's wrong with that.

And like Olbermann, they pull things completely out of context. For example...

http://davesdominion.wordpress.com/2010 ... eck-again/

[The_Noble_Cause]

And like Olbermann, they pull things completely out of context. For example...

http://davesdominion.wordpress.com/2010 ... eck-again/

Media Matters and Newsbusters posts the actual audio or the video.
In this example of Olbermann, he is reading a quote while doing a Beck immitation.
I fail to see the comparison.
It's convenient to cry "out of context" when someone does 3-hrs of radio a day.
Of course Newsbusters of MM will not host that much audio/footage, but I have found both to be pretty reliable.

Do you have an example of either site deliberately altering their media clips?

[conversationpc]

Do you have an example of either site deliberately altering their media clips?

I never said they actually altered the video clips. I have seen them previously take clips out of context. That being said, I don't have an example. I used to subscribe the news feed for both organizations but found them useless, so I have read nor seen any articles from either for quite a while.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do you have an example of either site deliberately altering their media clips?

I never said they actually altered the video clips. I have seen them previously take clips out of context. That being said, I don't have an example. I used to subscribe the news feed for both organizations but found them useless, so I have read nor seen any articles from either for quite a while.

Well, again, when you're dealing with radio shows that are three hours long, almost any clip can be called out-of-context.
Whether something really is, or it's just a case of a guilty host covering his ass, is another matter.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're kidding me, right. He says that he wants to debunk them, that he doesn't believe them but, at the point he was on that show, he hadn't been able to do so yet. He ended up doing just that. There's nothing to see here.

He only said he didn't believe them AFTER he went on the air, and said that he couldn't disprove them, saying:

"If you trust our government it’s fine, if you have any kind of fear that we might we headed toward a totalitarian state, look out, buckle up. There’s something going on in our country that ain’t good."

That's tin foil hat fear mongering right out of the Alex Jones playbook.
If his first obligation was really to the truth, he'd get his facts first, report the story later.
After the GOP became a political non-entity in the wake of Bush crashing the economy, Beck decided to play for something bigger.
So now he’s ripping off Alex Jones, Art Bell, and the Ron Paul Patriot Movement.
It’s so obvious.

..and I NEVER had the impression that he totally believed in them.

Good for you.
If only this arrested gullible Beck fan had been equally as strong of mind.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/tipping- ... -and-ammo/

When you're researching something, you kind of have an obligation to go into it unbiased (as much as possible).

This sounds unbiased to you?

"If you trust our government it’s fine, if you have any kind of fear that we might we headed toward a totalitarian state, look out, buckle up. There'’s something going on in our country that ain’t good."

This is the kind of tweaked-out paranoid crap Beck spews on a daily basis.
If it’s not FEMA camps, it’s socialist art work in Rockefeller Center, Eugenics and Euthanasia Czars, or Progressives being solely responsible for all the ills of society including prohibition –much of it barely accurate and in many cases, just plain historically wrong.

Asking people to pray is fearmongering, huh? Religious bigot much?

Not at all, just increasingly odd behavior from a noticeably sick man.
If I wanted to be proselytized, I’d flip on the 700 Club.

[conversationpc]

That's tin foil hat fear mongering right out of the Alex Jones playbook.
If his first obligation was really to the truth, he'd get his facts first, report the story later.
After the GOP became a political non-entity in the wake of Bush crashing the economy, Beck decided to play for something bigger.
So now he’s ripping off Alex Jones, Art Bell, and the Ron Paul Patriot Movement.
It’s so obvious.

I don't argue that he shouldn't have come out with that if he didn't have his facts straight yet. That being said, he did come out and debunk the death camp theory, regardless.

Good for you.
If only this arrested gullible Beck fan had been equally as strong of mind.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/tipping- ... -and-ammo/

Lovely...Was she a fan of Cosmopolitan, too? Perhaps that pushed her over the edge? Look, sick people are responsible for their own behavior. How many other murders do you think have been committed where the person may have have had books, magazines, pamphlets, etc., that referred to libs or Dems and it was never reported?

If it’s not FEMA camps, it’s socialist art work in Rockefeller Center...

Yes, Beck pointed that out but he also has a painting of it in his office (I think?). He doesn't dislike the painting but pointed out where the painting came from.

Asking people to pray is fearmongering, huh? Religious bigot much?

Not at all, just increasingly odd behavior from a noticeably sick man.
If I wanted to be proselytized, I’d flip on the 700 Club.[/quote]

Asking people to pray or pointing out the role that faith in God played in the founding of our nation is hardly proselytizing. Proselytizing would be preaching to someone about becoming a member of their faith, whatever religion that may be. I don't agree with Glenn's religion because I'm not a Mormon but it doesn't bother me in the slightest that he asks people to pray.