Saint John wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:I thought I called you ... maybe not. At any rate, I forgot about this one.
Just checked and you did ... and there's a message. This should be good.
lol, get ready for it. I was on a rage.
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Saint John wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:I thought I called you ... maybe not. At any rate, I forgot about this one.
Just checked and you did ... and there's a message. This should be good.
7 Wishes wrote:Now, again, I would like someone to address DeLay's comments that, during the Bush Administration, it was "accepted," "understood," and "assumed" that GOP-sponsored legislation that was entirely debt financed would be passed by an up and down vote because that was "tradition" and "how things were done" back then. It seems pretty damning to me, and paints the right as morbidly hypocritical, considering their sudden obession with balanced budgets. At least Obama's debt is doing some good, and not just building imaginary Star Wars lasers on a moon base.
7 Wishes wrote:"First off, Tom DeLay is a piece of crap. I've never cared for that guy and wouldn't trust him any farther than I could throw him."
I wouldn't say that was necessarily addressing the issue.
Ehmwatt, the remainder of my diatribe was not directed at you...I was just lobbing a grenade towards the other side of the aisle.
7 Wishes wrote:"First off, Tom DeLay is a piece of crap. I've never cared for that guy and wouldn't trust him any farther than I could throw him."
I wouldn't say that was necessarily addressing the issue.
Ehmwatt, the remainder of my diatribe was not directed at you...I was just lobbing a grenade towards the other side of the aisle.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Dan Rather wrote:
RATHER: When you talk about a triumph though. One, part of the undertow in the coming election is going to be President Obama's leadership. And the Republicans will make a case and a lot of independents will buy this argument. "Listen he just hasn't been, look at the health care bill. It was his number one priority. It took him forever to get it through and he had to compromise it to death." And a version of, "Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him, "but he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."
Ehwmatt wrote:Dan Rather wrote:
RATHER: When you talk about a triumph though. One, part of the undertow in the coming election is going to be President Obama's leadership. And the Republicans will make a case and a lot of independents will buy this argument. "Listen he just hasn't been, look at the health care bill. It was his number one priority. It took him forever to get it through and he had to compromise it to death." And a version of, "Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate" this is what's been used against him, "but he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic."
Imagine if a conservative news person/commentator said this....
7 Wishes wrote:True. But remember that the angry appeal of Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Katz, and O'Reilly - while reflecting the opinions of a minority of the population - still have more influence and a broader market share than any leftists, Olbermann included. The Fearsome Fivesome has already attacked the few token Democrats who have made what could be perceived as racist or at least racially insensitive remarks, no holds barred.
hoagiepete wrote:7 Wishes wrote:True. But remember that the angry appeal of Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Katz, and O'Reilly - while reflecting the opinions of a minority of the population - still have more influence and a broader market share than any leftists, Olbermann included. The Fearsome Fivesome has already attacked the few token Democrats who have made what could be perceived as racist or at least racially insensitive remarks, no holds barred.
I wouldn't lump O'Reilly in with the rest of them.
Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen, 'If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly', Washington Post, p. A17, Friday, March 11, 2010 wrote:
* [The Democratic Party leadership's] "blind persistence in the face of reality threatens to turn this political march of folly into an electoral rout in November."
* "The battle for public opinion has been lost .... Wishing, praying or pretending will not change these outcomes."
* "Nothing has been more disconcerting than to watch Democratic politicians and their media supporters deceive themselves into believing that the public favors the Democrats' current health-care plan."
* "A solid majority of Americans opposes the massive health-reform plan."
* "Never in our experience as pollsters can we recall such self-deluding misconstruction of survey data."
* "The notion that once enactment is forced, the public will suddenly embrace health-care reform could not be further from the truth."
* "The Democrats are pursuing policies that are out of step with the way ordinary Americans think and feel about politics and government. Barring some change of approach, they will be punished severely at the polls."
* "For Democrats to begin turning around their political fortunes there has to be a frank acknowledgement that the comprehensive health-care initiative is a failure, regardless of whether it passes."
* "Unless the Democrats fundamentally change their approach, they will produce not just a march of folly but also run the risk of unmitigated disaster in November."
Rockindeano wrote:Funny. Thing is they are doing what is absolutely the right thing. Americans, when explained the health care plan without shouters and hate mongers, favor the plan. You guys tried scare tactics..and you may even win some seats in November, but it will all be based on lies and fright. The general populace is close to figuring out the fraud that is the republican party.
You Cons made fun of Clinton for all his years as running per the polls...now you are sp spinning that Obama should run to what the polls tell him is politically safe. Fuck that. Pass the bill and fuck the republicans in the ass! You fuckers contributed zero to the argument. You are out of ideas. Your party is only alive because Obama took on a deeply serious problem that with the exception of Clinton, no president ever had the balls to fight. Hahaha, have your cake and your November...I'll take this important bill anyday.
Rockindeano wrote:Funny. Thing is they are doing what is absolutely the right thing. Americans, when explained the health care plan without shouters and hate mongers, favor the plan. You guys tried scare tactics..and you may even win some seats in November, but it will all be based on lies and fright. The general populace is close to figuring out the fraud that is the republican party.
You Cons made fun of Clinton for all his years as running per the polls...now you are sp spinning that Obama should run to what the polls tell him is politically safe. Fuck that. Pass the bill and fuck the republicans in the ass! You fuckers contributed zero to the argument. You are out of ideas. Your party is only alive because Obama took on a deeply serious problem that with the exception of Clinton, no president ever had the balls to fight. Hahaha, have your cake and your November...I'll take this important bill anyday.
Rockindeano wrote:Pass the bill and fuck the republicans in the ass!
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Rockindeano wrote:Funny. Thing is they are doing what is absolutely the right thing. Americans, when explained the health care plan without shouters and hate mongers, favor the plan. You guys tried scare tactics..and you may even win some seats in November, but it will all be based on lies and fright. The general populace is close to figuring out the fraud that is the republican party.
You Cons made fun of Clinton for all his years as running per the polls...now you are sp spinning that Obama should run to what the polls tell him is politically safe. Fuck that. Pass the bill and fuck the republicans in the ass! You fuckers contributed zero to the argument. You are out of ideas. Your party is only alive because Obama took on a deeply serious problem that with the exception of Clinton, no president ever had the balls to fight. Hahaha, have your cake and your November...I'll take this important bill anyday.
separate_wayz wrote: Wrong -- opposing this bill is the moral thing to do. The product AND the process are wholly wrong, and the American people are shouting this from the rooftops. And it's the process as much as the bill itself that is making Americans wretch. The Democrat Party is essentially giving a big middle finger to the country about the notion of "consent of the governed", and Americans know this.
Second, passing this bill will not "fuck the republicans in the ass" -- quite the opposite, my friend. It's going to fuck-in-the-ass all those Democratic congressmen in red states in swing districts -- they're all going to get wiped out in November. We're looking at catastrophic losses for the Dems right now (as Caddell and Schoen repeatedly mention). And here's the kicker: the Obama administration had absolutely no "mandate" to push for this kind of lousy legislation, but dozens of congressmen who get elected this November .
Rockindeano wrote:No. Fuck you republicans. You're getting the Bill passed like it or not. You tried to skew the facts and scare the uneducated folk about this bill. You offered not one single idea, made no effort whatsoever to help it, now you get to take it up the ass.
7 Wishes wrote:Also, both Rasmussen AND CNN polls show that ONCE INDEPENDENTS AND THE ELDERLY ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE PLAN WOULD DO, a striking majority is IN FAVOR OF IT. Those who are "opposed" to it until they have been infomed of how it will work, and then become in favor of it, have merely, like you and so many others, been TOLD WHAT TO THINK by Fox.
Fact Finder wrote:They keep falling....we need 37 Dem Patriots to step forward and stop this socialistic nosense...kepp em coming Nancy..Dem Rep Ben Chandler of Kentucky, a prominent Blue Dog who voted No last time but has since been undecided, will vote against the Senate bill.
Separately, Dem Rep Luis Gutierrez of Illinois, an influential member of the Congressional Hispanic caucus who voted Yes last time, is also a No vote, his spokesperson confirms.
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