Bands Reunited

[Michigan Girl]

Journey ?

Be careful what you wish for. I have a feeling this reunion would sound like shit. Infact, I'm so certain of it I would pass on buying tickets. You are not gonna hear the Journey sound out of 61 year old vocals. How many steps could they tune down and have the songs still be recognizable?

They're doing it now are they not? A tuned down Perry is still better than a good Pineda.

Are you on fucking drugs? You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to? No way, dude, just no way.

Are you still on drugs, Deano?!?! Cause you really make a lot of sense here!!!

[Rockindeano]

Journey ?

Be careful what you wish for. I have a feeling this reunion would sound like shit. Infact, I'm so certain of it I would pass on buying tickets. You are not gonna hear the Journey sound out of 61 year old vocals. How many steps could they tune down and have the songs still be recognizable?

They're doing it now are they not? A tuned down Perry is still better than a good Pineda.

Are you on fucking drugs? You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to? No way, dude, just no way.

High? No. I don't know what Perry can do, and neither does anyone else. You are just a Pineda guy and that's fine, but he will never be half of what Perry was/is, and that's just fact dude. By the way, there are a bunch of singers I can name who are as good as, or better now at 60, than they were at 25.

[steveo777]

Journey ?

Be careful what you wish for. I have a feeling this reunion would sound like shit. Infact, I'm so certain of it I would pass on buying tickets. You are not gonna hear the Journey sound out of 61 year old vocals. How many steps could they tune down and have the songs still be recognizable?

They're doing it now are they not? A tuned down Perry is still better than a good Pineda.

Are you on fucking drugs? You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to? No way, dude, just no way.

High? No. I don't know what Perry can do, and neither does anyone else. You are just a Pineda guy and that's fine, but he will never be half of what Perry was/is, and that's just fact dude. By the way, there are a bunch of singers I can name who are as good as, or better now at 60, than they were at 25.

Saying I'm just a Pineda guy misses the mark a bit. I' can be critical of him at times too. Fact is, you're right....nobody knows what Perry can do anymore. I don't know how much practice he gets either. I know Farnham still sounds great and so does Bruce. If I were to make a bet, the bet would be that Perry doesn't have the chops anymore. He's been out of circ for about 15 years. You'd think as great as he was, he would have at least performed for a few special occasions over the years.

[StevePerryHair]

I hate when bands pick the theme park circuit when they tour and choose Orlando.

Lynn, it's REO Speedwagon, not U2. They can't exactly fill Amway Arena you know?

well they toured with foreigner and def lep and Styx and they did fill the arena. Theme park shows aren't for locals unless you have season passes to get in. It's just annoying to me. We have smaller venues like the hard rock live and HOB.

[Jana]

Journey ?

Be careful what you wish for. I have a feeling this reunion would sound like shit. Infact, I'm so certain of it I would pass on buying tickets. You are not gonna hear the Journey sound out of 61 year old vocals. How many steps could they tune down and have the songs still be recognizable?

They're doing it now are they not? A tuned down Perry is still better than a good Pineda.

It would be just fine.

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

[Rockindeano]

Saying I'm just a Pineda guy misses the mark a bit. I' can be critical of him at times too. Fact is, you're right....nobody knows what Perry can do anymore. I don't know how much practice he gets either. I know Farnham still sounds great and so does Bruce. If I were to make a bet, the bet would be that Perry doesn't have the chops anymore. He's been out of circ for about 15 years. You'd think as great as he was, he would have at least performed for a few special occasions over the years.

Agreed. Look at Farnham, DeYoung, Dio, Paul Rodgers..they are all still as good as they were once before. Hell, Bruce is tons better now than he was 30 years ago. Hell, he may be one of the better live singers today. Granted, those catalogs aren't nearly as tough as the Perry catalog, but there is proof that singers can improve over time, not always deteriorate. I won't place a bet on what Perry can or can't do anymore, that isn't fair to him, not fair to "guess" as to the status of one of the greatest voices ever heard. But I got news for you Steveo, if they are already tuning down, in the first Pineda tour, that can't mean good things. Yeah yeah I know, they're saving him. That's a complete bale of bullshit. How long you folks think Journey will hang around? My guess is they will be done in 5 or less years. Their music just won't fly when 60 year old guys and a 30 year old rent a singer are delivering it. Not selling them short nor am I belittling them, but can you see 60 year old guys belting out Open Arms or WCN? Come on now. That's one of the problems with fluff lyrics but that is a different argument for a different thread.

Edit: and of course you are right..it's far easier to name the singers who have lost a lot...Elliot is terrible. Cronin is as thin as a piece of paper and Bono is wasted; his voice is about as empty as it can get. Jagger has no more in the tank and neither does Tyler. And thank God for tape when talking about Townshend.

[Deb]

Journey ?

Be careful what you wish for. I have a feeling this reunion would sound like shit. Infact, I'm so certain of it I would pass on buying tickets. You are not gonna hear the Journey sound out of 61 year old vocals. How many steps could they tune down and have the songs still be recognizable?

They're doing it now are they not? A tuned down Perry is still better than a good Pineda.

It would be just fine.

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

Sadly I agree with you. Don't think it will EVER happen either for whatever reasons. But heck, I didn't think a certain other favorite band would EVER re-unite again either and they did, so what the heck do I know.......

[Rockindeano]

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

Just how do you know the reason why they(He) won't reunite? I would like to think there are other factors in the decision making process, those of character issues and possibly damaged relationships. I think it's a distinct possibility. I guess we'll know soon, when Perry's disc comes out- if he still has it or is even close, and there is no reunion, then maybe there is something to my theory.

[steveo777]

Perry is like an estranged exwife. Once they lawyer up there ain't no talking about anything anymore.

[Jana]

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

Just how do you know the reason why they(He) won't reunite? I would like to think there are other factors in the decision making process, those of character issues and possibly damaged relationships. I think it's a distinct possibility. I guess we'll know soon, when Perry's disc comes out- if he still has it or is even close, and there is no reunion, then maybe there is something to my theory.

I think if he puts out a disk he will sound great on it, like TBF era. I really don't see a problem with his voice on a CD and don't get why he just doesn't release what he's working on and maybe he will some day. I still don't believe he will perform live again though. It looked good for a while but looking grim again. And Journey, well, I think he could get past damaged relationships if there only been one lead singer and then they retired for a while, but having JSS and now Arnel, I don't see Perry jumping back in. But I still think the main overriding reason it will never happen is b/c he just doesn't sing live solo either for whatever reason for a lot of years but yet talks about how much he thinks about it and misses it. Something is holding him back.

[steveo777]

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

Just how do you know the reason why they(He) won't reunite? I would like to think there are other factors in the decision making process, those of character issues and possibly damaged relationships. I think it's a distinct possibility. I guess we'll know soon, when Perry's disc comes out- if he still has it or is even close, and there is no reunion, then maybe there is something to my theory.

I think if he puts out a disk he will sound great on it, like TBF era. I really don't see a problem with his voice on a CD and don't get why he just doesn't release what he's working on and maybe he will some day. I still don't believe he will perform live again though. It looked good for a while but looking grim again. And Journey, well, I think he could get past damaged relationships if there only been one lead singer and then they retired for a while, but having JSS and now Arnel, I don't see Perry jumping back in. But I still think the main overriding reason it will never happen is b/c he just doesn't sing live solo either for whatever reason for a lot of years but yet talks about how much he thinks about it and misses it. Something is holding him back.

If not voice, maybe he's just lost the edge and has a phobia about getting back up in public. He might also be embarrassed over things he has said and done in the past.

[Jana]

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

Just how do you know the reason why they(He) won't reunite? I would like to think there are other factors in the decision making process, those of character issues and possibly damaged relationships. I think it's a distinct possibility. I guess we'll know soon, when Perry's disc comes out- if he still has it or is even close, and there is no reunion, then maybe there is something to my theory.

I think if he puts out a disk he will sound great on it, like TBF era. I really don't see a problem with his voice on a CD and don't get why he just doesn't release what he's working on and maybe he will some day. I still don't believe he will perform live again though. It looked good for a while but looking grim again. And Journey, well, I think he could get past damaged relationships if there only been one lead singer and then they retired for a while, but having JSS and now Arnel, I don't see Perry jumping back in. But I still think the main overriding reason it will never happen is b/c he just doesn't sing live solo either for whatever reason for a lot of years but yet talks about how much he thinks about it and misses it. Something is holding him back.

If not voice, maybe he's just lost the edge and has a phobia about getting back up in public. He might also be embarrassed over things he has said and done in the past.

Embarassed about what he has said? Good God. People who go to see him just what to hear him sing and could care less about things said between him and Neal.

[*Laura]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.
Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.


Now...I want Sammy back with Van Halen.

[steveo777]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.
Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.


Now...I want Sammy back with Van Halen.

No, but who in the fuck wants to hear a Journey concert tuned down in octaves.

[Ehwmatt]

Perry is like an estranged exwife. Once they lawyer up there ain't no talking about anything anymore.

Sadly enough, that's how these things end up. It's sad because it's some strange twisted universe where (most of the time) you are friends with the guys in the band, close friends often due to sharing travel and space so often, but there's also so much business involved. It's like a weird mash-up of a business relationship, a marriage partnership, and a genuine male friendship thing. Usually, male friendships are tough to irreparably fracture, but the interplay of the other two elements makes it that way.

It's just amazing that guys in their late 50s and early 60s who were presumably really good friends at one point (not being part of the band notwithstanding) can't find a way to bury the hatchet.

This isn't just for Journey, but any band out there whose once-tight members now share a lot of mutual animosity and claim to be unforgiving.

[*Laura]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.
Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.


Now...I want Sammy back with Van Halen.

No, but who in the fuck wants to hear a Journey concert tuned down in octaves.

Who? All the people going to the sold-out reunion concert.

[steveo777]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.
Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.


Now...I want Sammy back with Van Halen.

No, but who in the fuck wants to hear a Journey concert tuned down in octaves.

Who? All the people going to the sold-out reunion concert.

I love these threads. We could mess with each other for another 10 pages.
I guess one concert would definitely sell out. I wonder how many would start leaving if it sounded bad or worse yet, start calling Pineda! Pineda! Pineda!

[bluejeangirl76]

I guess one concert would definitely sell out. I wonder how many would start leaving if it sounded bad or worse yet, start calling Pineda! Pineda! Pineda!

You must be into some insanely heavy narcotics.

[Don]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.
Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.


Now...I want Sammy back with Van Halen.

No, but who in the fuck wants to hear a Journey concert tuned down in octaves.

Who? All the people going to the sold-out reunion concert.

I love these threads. We could mess with each other for another 10 pages.
I guess one concert would definitely sell out. I wonder how many would start leaving if it sounded bad or worse yet, start calling Pineda! Pineda! Pineda!

I don't foresee that many Pineda fans being at a show with Steve Perry at the helm to begin with. Unlike most of us here, who have bought the band's albums regardless who the current singer is, the majority of Pinhead's loyalty to the bands ends with Pineda. As much as we may bitch about Pineda or Augeri, most of us (including loons) have gone to shows and bought Revelation, Arrival, etc, if only to hear Neal or Deen or the other members of the band. Our Journey catalog doesn't start and end with one album based around one singer.

I'm pretty confident in saying that along with the majority of Journey fans, there will be far more loons than pinheads at these Neal Schon solo shows. We may complain abut Neal but we understand that he, Perry and Cain ARE the main ingredients of Journey's legacy.

[Ehwmatt]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.
Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.


Now...I want Sammy back with Van Halen.

No, but who in the fuck wants to hear a Journey concert tuned down in octaves.

Who? All the people going to the sold-out reunion concert.

I love these threads. We could mess with each other for another 10 pages.
I guess one concert would definitely sell out. I wonder how many would start leaving if it sounded bad or worse yet, start calling Pineda! Pineda! Pineda!

I don't foresee that many Pineda fans being at a show with Steve Perry at the helm to begin with. Unlike most of us here, who have bought the band's albums regardless who the current singer is, the majority of Pinhead's loyalty to the bands ends with Pineda. As much as we may bitch about Pineda or Augeri, most of us (including loons) have gone to shows and bought Revelation, Arrival, etc, if only to hear Neal or Deen or the other members of the band. Our Journey catalog doesn't start and end with one album based around one singer.

I'm pretty confident in saying that along with the majority of Journey fans, there will be far more loons than pinheads at these Neal Schon solo shows. We may complain abut Neal but we understand that he, Perry and Cain ARE the main ingredients of Journey's legacy.

No doubt GB. Fucking moron tunnel-visioned fans are the worst. At least Augeri fans by and large seemed to be knowledgeable Journey fans on the whole. The pinheads, I can't say the same for.

[steveo777]

Hey, I might kid around here but I own every freaking Journey album ever produced, as well as every DVD and just about every concert boot worth having. I'm gonna continue to buy everything in the future. I will have a hell of a collection in the end.

[Ehwmatt]

Hey, I might kid around here but I own every freaking Journey album ever produced, as well as every DVD and just about every concert boot worth having. I'm gonna continue to buy everything in the future. I will have a hell of a collection in the end.

Steve, you were a fan before AP, right?

[Everett]

Ain't this the wrong forum to be bitching err complaining about journey

[steveo777]

Hey, I might kid around here but I own every freaking Journey album ever produced, as well as every DVD and just about every concert boot worth having. I'm gonna continue to buy everything in the future. I will have a hell of a collection in the end.

Steve, you were a fan before AP, right?

Since about 1980, the year my Son was born. He just turned 30, plays the guitar some and loves Journey.

My kids were raised on radio. 1986 at our family lake house and Journey ROR playing in my Malibu Skier.

[Jana]

Saying I'm just a Pineda guy misses the mark a bit. I' can be critical of him at times too. Fact is, you're right....nobody knows what Perry can do anymore. I don't know how much practice he gets either. I know Farnham still sounds great and so does Bruce. If I were to make a bet, the bet would be that Perry doesn't have the chops anymore. He's been out of circ for about 15 years. You'd think as great as he was, he would have at least performed for a few special occasions over the years.

Agreed. Look at Farnham, DeYoung, Dio, Paul Rodgers..they are all still as good as they were once before. Hell, Bruce is tons better now than he was 30 years ago. Hell, he may be one of the better live singers today. Granted, those catalogs aren't nearly as tough as the Perry catalog, but there is proof that singers can improve over time, not always deteriorate. I won't place a bet on what Perry can or can't do anymore, that isn't fair to him, not fair to "guess" as to the status of one of the greatest voices ever heard. But I got news for you Steveo, if they are already tuning down, in the first Pineda tour, that can't mean good things. Yeah yeah I know, they're saving him. That's a complete bale of bullshit. How long you folks think Journey will hang around? My guess is they will be done in 5 or less years. Their music just won't fly when 60 year old guys and a 30 year old rent a singer are delivering it. Not selling them short nor am I belittling them, but can you see 60 year old guys belting out Open Arms or WCN? Come on now. That's one of the problems with fluff lyrics but that is a different argument for a different thread.

Edit: and of course you are right..it's far easier to name the singers who have lost a lot...Elliot is terrible. Cronin is as thin as a piece of paper and Bono is wasted; his voice is about as empty as it can get. Jagger has no more in the tank and neither does Tyler. And thank God for tape when talking about Townshend.

I can't argue with that. I wouldn't say wasted, but getting close to it. His vocals are so thin now. He needs to move down into his lower register singing. I was listening to a really old CD, War, and what a difference in the fullness and strength of his vocals. Made me sad. Bono needs to sing lower to where the thinness isn't noticeable and he needs to grow his hair back out from that buzz cut and he needs to get with Bruce Springsteen's trainer and trim down and buff up.

[ScarabGator]

Terri Nunn is still a firecracker. I would love to infiltrate her with some southern lovin. And I wanna see Giuffria or The Storm reunite.

[S2M]

Giuffria would be a great choice as I'be always been a David Glen Eisley fan. He sounds like SP, and Call to the Heart is one of the all time great melodic rock tracks.

[S2M]

Giuffria would be a great choice as I'be always been a David Glen Eisley fan. He sounds like SP, and Call to the Heart is one of the all time great melodic rock tracks.

[portland]

Journey ?

Be careful what you wish for. I have a feeling this reunion would sound like shit. Infact, I'm so certain of it I would pass on buying tickets. You are not gonna hear the Journey sound out of 61 year old vocals. How many steps could they tune down and have the songs still be recognizable?

They're doing it now are they not? A tuned down Perry is still better than a good Pineda.

It would be just fine.

They WILL never reunite. Easy reason: Perry has not performed live since '95. Whatever is holding him back from his beloved solo career he wanted to take off or even doing some occasional one-off performances on TV or around will definitely hold him back from a huge Journey reunion, especially with so many singers after him. Perry is 60. Won't happen. Where is his new CD? Where is a performance on Oprah or American Idol or somewhere since there's all this hoopla these days over Journey music, DSB, etc, and his name is mentioned a lot? I just don't ever see it happening due to his demons regarding performing live anymore, which I have no clue what they are.

Did I say anywhere it would happen??????...I just said IF it did it would be fine!!!!

I thought this was if you could have anything you wanted thread.....if not then my bad!

I did not say that a Journey reunion would ever happen.....I think the nail was placed in the coffin a long time ago.

[JH'sTXfan]

Giuffria would be a great choice as I'be always been a David Glen Eisley fan. He sounds like SP, and Call to the Heart is one of the all time great melodic rock tracks.

linky... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoesUC3lec Nope, doesn't sound like Perry.