Corey Haim Dead at 38

[Jana]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

[Rip Rokken]

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

LOL... Maybe you'll get lucky and land yourself a "stealth" addict -- one of those perplexing kinds that never show any detectable signs of intoxication or wastification even though they're loaded most of the time.



BTW, so everyone knows where I'm coming from, I don't mean to come off as preachy if I ever do -- it's just the way I write. I have absolutely nothing against drinking, getting trashed, etc. where people are reasonably safe and not risking anyone else either. I just have a lot of compassion for people who end up with a problem they can't control, especially if they want help. If they refuse help and keep on hurting people, the compassion disappears pretty quickly.

[yulog]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

[StevePerryHair]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

Mine is most definitely CHOCOLATE Well, food in general maybe I fight it every day!!! (and I'm serious It's a good thing I don't give in )

[Michigan Girl]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

[Jana]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm talking about addictions that impact your relationships and affect your life adversely day to day, like alcoholism, drug addiction, etc, where you end up in rehab. My craving chocolate is an addiction I joke about, but not the same thing.

[Deb]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

Mine is definitely music! And no rehab for me, thanks.

[Don]

I always thought it was a contest between him and Corey Feldman as who would check out first.

[Ehwmatt]

An addiction is only a problem when it adversely impacts the work, social, and physical health aspects of your life.

[StevePerryHair]

[
I'm talking about addictions that impact your relationships and affect your life adversely day to day, like alcoholism, drug addiction, etc, where you end up in rehab. My craving chocolate is an addiction I joke about, but not the same thing.

Well it wouldn't be a joke if I gave in to my food and chocolate addictions all day long and weighed 500 lbs! I think my family MIGHT suffer

[StevePerryHair]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

You mean too much message board posting can affect our lives

[Michigan Girl]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

You mean too much message board posting can affect our lives

Yeah, I had to quit posting at night, it was affecting my sex and drinking addictions ...
ANY addiction can become a negative ...ANY!!

[Michigan Girl]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

Mine is definitely music! And no rehab for me, thanks.

Not necessary~ unless you go deaf and lose your job as a court stenographer!!
After which you lose your home because you can't pay for it, your family leaves
you before you hit the streets and you're hungry and craving some music, but the batteries
went dead in your ipod ...now you're on a street corner begging for music and selling your
soul!! And to think yesterday you were just a fan...

[G.I.Jim]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Hey, I don't ALWAYS slur my words!

[Jana]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Hey, I don't ALWAYS slur my words!

[StevePerryHair]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live. Also have read that most celebrities are actually HIGHLY insecure due to all the pressure to perform, be perfect, etc. Put those two things together and you have a great recipe for future addiction.

Yes, they definitely make the choice to start using drugs, get wasted, etc. AA teaches is that an addict always chooses to pick up that first drink every time, but that drink sets up a type of "allergic" reaction specific to the disease that results in a craving for more that is near impossible to control. Of course there are different levels of severity in a person's addiction -- not everyone drinks or drugs until they pass out every time they do it, but some do have it that bad. On the lighter end are the "functional" addicts, who manage to limit their use to restricted time (like non-working hours) and can hold down jobs, are responsible to some extent, etc. but they still have a very difficult struggle. Then of course you have those that carry a flask to work with them, or drink mouthwash for the alcohol to cover the smell, and those that end up losing everything and living on the streets.

I definitely agree that there is choice involved, for sure. But addiction is way more complicated than just an issue of morals, willpower or choice. Anyway, I'd never make excuses for an addict under any circumstances, but I do think there is hope for everyone who has the desire to recover.

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Hey, I don't ALWAYS slur my words!

Really, are you sure? Cause when I read your posts I think in my head there is slurring!!

[StevePerryHair]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

Mine is definitely music! And no rehab for me, thanks.

Not necessary~ unless you go deaf and lose your job as a court stenographer!!
After which you lose your home because you can't pay for it, your family leaves
you before you hit the streets and you're hungry and craving some music, but the batteries
went dead in your ipod ...now you're on a street corner begging for music and selling your
soul!! And to think yesterday you were just a fan...

[Deb]

So true that bolded part, and, believe me, it is hard for me to understand b/c I don't have an addictive bone in my body re alcohol, drugs, anything. But I have come to not be so judgmental just b/c I can't relate, and realize there is more to it for people that have addictions. But I couldn't imagine even being married to even a social alcoholic and looking at their blank, sloshed face night after night, slurring their words. Nothing more unattractive.

Everyone has addictions...all 206 bones of you, it may not be alcohol, or drugs but trust me you have addictions

I'm glad you said it, Yulie ...yes she does, we all do~sorry!!!

Mine is definitely music! And no rehab for me, thanks.

Not necessary~ unless you go deaf and lose your job as a court stenographer!!
After which you lose your home because you can't pay for it, your family leaves
you before you hit the streets and you're hungry and craving some music, but the batteries
went dead in your ipod ...now you're on a street corner begging for music and selling your
soul!! And to think yesterday you were just a fan...

LOL, hey I may be starving to death, wearing the same grimey clothes all week, hair a matted mess...............but chances are you'd probably find Deb's cardboard-box home parked close to a streetperson playing a mean guitar/singing in the subway.

And if I go deaf, well, I'll just have to listen to even more music with a bass/drum groove.......LOL, those you can feel, not just hear.

[brandonx76]

Sorry to hear about Corey - RIP...

On addictions - I think Toto said it best - Here's 'Hooked' from Falling in Between

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exa1cC3wgTw

[Carla777]

So sad news , he was my fav actor for many years, love all his movies, specially Lost Boys...R.I.P. beautiful Corey

[Jana]

So sad news , he was my fav actor for many years, love all his movies, specially Lost Boys...R.I.P. beautiful Corey

What's really rough, too, is his mother is battling breast cancer and he had moved in with her to help her. Losing your child and battling cancer at the same time, how sad.

[Carla777]

So sad news , he was my fav actor for many years, love all his movies, specially Lost Boys...R.I.P. beautiful Corey

What's really rough, too, is his mother is battling breast cancer and he had moved in with her to help her. Losing your child and battling cancer at the same time, how sad.

very tragic, he was so talented, what a waste of life, i'm very sorry for her mom in this moments

I prefer to remember him like in this scene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-epc4kzkKF4

[Suzanne]

Oh no no, believe me, I thought Jason Patrick was hot too!!

Nom nom nom.

You know who else was hot - the one vampire with the real long drak hair.
Some random actor whose name I don't know - but still.

So it seems that this is now a Lost Boys Appreciation Thread?

I'm good with that. better than talking about death and drugs.

This one? Me too.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/19/dark-hair ... memba-him/

[bluejeangirl76]

You know who else was hot - the one vampire with the real long drak hair.
Some random actor whose name I don't know - but still.

This one? Me too.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/19/dark-hair ... memba-him/

Yeah!! Billy Wirth... that's it.

And he isn't looking too bad now, I see... reminds me of kind of a cross between Colin Farrell and Antonio Banderas (before he grew that stupid beard)

[bluejeangirl76]

Now that more details are coming out, I'm wondering how much drugs really had to do with it...

Ed Winter, LA County Coroner's Office Assistant Chief, told reporters that Haim's mother had called paramedics when her son collapsed in the early morning hours.

"This morning at about 1:30...Corey Haim's mom found him. He got up out of bed and had been feeling ill for the last couple of days. As he got out of bed, he felt a little weak and went down to the floor on his knees. He's had flu-like symptoms. She called paramedics. They responded and transported him to the hospital where he was pronounced [dead] at 2:15 this morning," Winter said.

Authorities found four prescription drug bottles inside the apartment he shared with his mother, but no illegal drugs, according to Winter.

Granted they did find Rx meds, but it also says he'd been ill with flu-like symptoms for several days.
But illegal narcotics were not found. So I wonder what this illness was and how much that contributed.

Sad.

[Peartree12249]

A little will power would go a long way for most of these clowns

Many recovery programs say willpower has almost nothing to do with recovery from addiction (or else people would have already recovered themselves). One website says,

"Although these impulses operate at a preconscious level, there are strategies, medicines and life changes that have proven effective in minimizing the impact exerted by the preconscious impulses to use. Willpower has nothing to do with it, but it takes enormous strength, courage and will to participate fully in difficult therapies of recovery and to make the life changes required to minimize the impact of these triggers to use."

Hmm... just noticed he does say it takes "will". Not sure I understand the difference between willpower and will is, but overall I disagree -- I think conscious choice (or will) factors in to some extent and I feel it's dangerous to ignore that, though I don't think willpower alone is enough to beat true addiction.

Very sorry to hear about Corey Haim's passing.

I believe the difference is that addicts think they can control the addiction by exerting their willpower and controlling their drug/alcohol use and are doomed to failure. Addiction is not about willpower. What they have to be willing to do is turn their will and their lives over to the care of god as they understand him. (AA Third Step) If a person could stop on their own and live a happy life through willpower alone, they are not a true addict. In order for a person to recover, they need to put aside their self will and surrender themselves to the program of recovery.

[Deb]

Now that more details are coming out, I'm wondering how much drugs really had to do with it...

Ed Winter, LA County Coroner's Office Assistant Chief, told reporters that Haim's mother had called paramedics when her son collapsed in the early morning hours.

"This morning at about 1:30...Corey Haim's mom found him. He got up out of bed and had been feeling ill for the last couple of days. As he got out of bed, he felt a little weak and went down to the floor on his knees. He's had flu-like symptoms. She called paramedics. They responded and transported him to the hospital where he was pronounced [dead] at 2:15 this morning," Winter said.

Authorities found four prescription drug bottles inside the apartment he shared with his mother, but no illegal drugs, according to Winter.

Granted they did find Rx meds, but it also says he'd been ill with flu-like symptoms for several days.
But illegal narcotics were not found. So I wonder what this illness was and how much that contributed.

Sad.

Awe. Just read he was Canadian too.

[Babyblue]

Sad he was a cute kid.

[Andrew]

Rip, it's not a coincidence that all of these celebs have drug problems. They have the money, the time, and most importantly, the job description to be able to do it. They make a conscious choice to get into drugs. It's a far cry from someone growing up in a poor drug-infested slum that gets hooked on drugs because selling and using are the basic social norms there. Whatever chemical addiction these celebs develop springs from the conscious, opportunistic choice to start doing the drugs in the first place.

I agree with most of what you say. I remember an article that talked about how celebrities often develop a specific type of super-narcissism that comes from all the attention they get. It has to be a surreal way to live..

Yep...from someone who has observed the industry for years (25), read the books, talked to the people and who has also seen it first hand - the world these guys live in is not reality. Not average Joe reality at least. I lived in LA for 4 months also and have been back there 12 times over the years - the entertainment biz is just NOT reality.

But they live it 24/7 and it does take affect....some have the will power and mindset to stay real, but so many don't. RIP Corey. A tragic loss.

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Looks like drugs had nothing to do with his death.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ ... tml?hpt=T1

Autopsy shows Haim had enlarged heart, manager says
By Alan Duke, CNN
March 11, 2010 7:23 p.m. EST

Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The autopsy on Corey Haim revealed the actor's heart was enlarged and his lungs were filled with water when he died, Haim's manager said.

The Los Angeles County coroner told Haim's mother that her son suffered from pulmonary congestion, manager Mark Heaslip said.

Heaslip said this was evidence that Haim's death was not caused by a drug overdose, but Brian Elias with the coroner's office said they are waiting for toxicology tests before deciding what killed Haim.

The 1980s teen movie actor, who struggled for decades with drug addiction, died early Wednesday after collapsing in the Los Angeles apartment he shared with his mother, authorities said.

Longtime friend and frequent co-star Corey Feldman asked Wednesday that people not "jump the gun" to conclude a drug overdose killed Haim.

Heaslip, manager to both Feldman and Haim, said he seemed to be winning his battle against drug abuse in the weeks before his death.

Haim, 38, was taken to Providence St. Joseph Medical Center in Burbank, California, early Wednesday, where he was pronounced dead at 2:15 a.m. PT (5:15 a.m. ET), said Ed Winter, Los Angeles County deputy coroner.

Haim was in the apartment he shared with his mother, Judy Haim, when he "became a little dizzy, he kind of went to his knees in the bedroom," Winter said. "His mom assisted him in the bed. He became unresponsive."
His mother called paramedics to the apartment, which is between Hollywood Hills and Burbank, he said.
Haim had suffered from flulike symptoms for two days, the deputy coroner said.

"We found no illicit drugs. However, we did recover four of his prescription meds at the location," Winter said, adding he does not know what those drugs were.

Haim was "weaned down to literally zero medications" in the past two weeks by an addiction specialist, Heaslip said on HLN's "Issues With Jane Velez-Mitchell" on Wednesday.

The doctor "put him on a new line of medications," Feldman said on CNN's "Larry King Live" on Wednesday.
Feldman pleaded with people not to draw conclusions that Haim died from a drug overdose. He said that until the autopsy report is issued, "nobody knows and nobody's going to know."

"I know that there were symptoms that he was showing that expressed it could be a number of things," Feldman said. "This could have been a kidney failure. This could have been a heart failure."

Heaslip that said Haim's mother, Judy, told him "there were no signs of him overdosing."

His death came as his career was picking up, with Haim booking "movie after movie," Heaslip said. His latest film is set for release soon, he said.

Haim "really became a man" in recent months as he helped his mother in her battle with cancer, Feldman said. "He's been there for her, taking care of her, being responsible," he said.

Feldman said he was angry about how Haim has been snubbed in recent years by the entertainment industry. He was broke, without a car and living in a month-to-month rental apartment with his mother, he said.

"We build people up as children, we put them on pedestals and then when we decide that they are not marketable anymore, we walk away from them," he said.

Haim's most famous role was in the 1987 movie "The Lost Boys," in which he appeared with Feldman. Haim played the role of a fresh-faced teenager whose brother becomes a vampire.

In later years, the two friends -- who appeared in eight movies together -- struggled with drug abuse and went their separate ways. They reunited for a reality show, "The Two Coreys," in 2007, but A&E Network canceled the program after slightly more than a year.

In a 2007 interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," Haim and Feldman discussed their battle with drugs. Feldman told King that he had gotten clean, but it took Haim longer.

Haim called himself "a chronic relapser for the rest of my life."

"I think I have an addiction to pretty much everything," he said. "I mean, I have to be very careful with myself as far as that goes, which is why I have a support group around me consistently."

In 2008, Feldman told People magazine that he would no longer speak to Haim until his former co-star got sober. In a clip from "The Two Coreys," Feldman and his wife, along with two other former teen stars, called on Haim in an effort to get him to admit he needed help, the magazine said.

The meeting followed an incident in which Haim, scheduled to film a cameo appearance in a direct-to-DVD sequel to "The Lost Boys," appeared on the set "clearly under the influence," People reported.

Feldman told King on Wednesday that he renewed his contact with Haim in the past year because of the progress he made against his addiction.

Haim was born December 23, 1971, in Toronto, Ontario, according to a biography on his Web site. He made his first television appearance in 1982 on the Canadian series "The Edison Twins." His first film role was in the 1984 movie "First Born."

Haim also won rave reviews for his title role in the 1986 film "Lucas." Film critic Roger Ebert said of him at the time, "If he continues to act this well, he will never become a half-forgotten child star, but will continue to grow into an important actor."

Following "The Lost Boys," Haim and Feldman appeared in "License to Drive" and "Dream a Little Dream."