Bands Reunited

[Jana]

Giuffria would be a great choice as I'be always been a David Glen Eisley fan. He sounds like SP, and Call to the Heart is one of the all time great melodic rock tracks.

linky... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoesUC3lec Nope, doesn't sound like Perry.

Wow, I hear it and he seems to use some of Perry's vocal mannerisms.

[ChildInTime]

Holy crap, that dude totally did a song for Spongebob Squarepants. I'm not even kidding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnhRmoKD68w&feature=related

[Deb]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.

Just sneaking in here to post a perfect example of what my sistah is talking about ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

Full on emotional delivery (emoting ) with not a glass-shattering high to be heard......now THAT is a master at work.

[portland]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.

Just sneaking in here to post a perfect example of what my sistah is talking about ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

Full on emotional delivery (emoting ) with not a glass-shattering high to be heard......now THAT is a master at work.

Deb you are sooooo right!!!!! Emoting at it's absolute best

[Jana]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.

Just sneaking in here to post a perfect example of what my sistah is talking about ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

Full on emotional delivery (emoting ) with not a glass-shattering high to be heard......now THAT is a master at work.

Deb you are sooooo right!!!!! Emoting at it's absolute best

It's not just emoting. Steve Perry has a beautiful tone to his voice, which was really evident in Raised on Radio

It Could Have Been You - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb8kYHnzuvk

Happy to Give - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbvs2bE35hU

[Deb]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.

Just sneaking in here to post a perfect example of what my sistah is talking about ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

Full on emotional delivery (emoting ) with not a glass-shattering high to be heard......now THAT is a master at work.

Deb you are sooooo right!!!!! Emoting at it's absolute best

It's not just emoting. Steve Perry has a beautiful tone to his voice, which was really evident in Raised on Radio

For sure! There is no better ear candy than that Live version of Girl Can't Help It.......indeed. His ROR vocal tone is my absolute favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdJSDNqAxA

And great choice Jana, It Could Have Been You is one of my faves on ROR.

[Jana]

You really believe Perry could reach high notes to where Pineda is currently tuned down to?

Are you saying that singing is all about who's breaking glass and who doesn't? To me, it's all about emotional delivery (Deb would say "emoting" ) and SP was a master at that.Those (old) Journey songs were written "around Perry's voice", as "someone" said once. I believe that he could do an amazing job on them even without reaching the (old) high register. But a Perry-Journey reunion is not likely to happen anyway, so if he'll sing again there will be none of the (old) pressure to deal with.

Just sneaking in here to post a perfect example of what my sistah is talking about ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jubogiBaUhQ

Full on emotional delivery (emoting ) with not a glass-shattering high to be heard......now THAT is a master at work.

Deb you are sooooo right!!!!! Emoting at it's absolute best

It's not just emoting. Steve Perry has a beautiful tone to his voice, which was really evident in Raised on Radio

For sure! There is no better ear candy than that Live version of Girl Can't Help It.......indeed. His ROR vocal tone is my absolute favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdJSDNqAxA

And great choice Jana, It Could Have Been You is one of my faves on ROR.

Yep. That live version of GCHI on ROR is one of my favorite go-tos on the CD. I never tire of it.

[kgdjpubs]

Giuffria would be a great choice as I'be always been a David Glen Eisley fan. He sounds like SP, and Call to the Heart is one of the all time great melodic rock tracks.

linky... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoesUC3lec Nope, doesn't sound like Perry.

Wow, I hear it and he seems to use some of Perry's vocal mannerisms.

I can hear some similarities to Perry in range, but with all due respect, he has the subtleties of a hovercraft when it comes to phrasing--which Perry was a MASTER at. That band did a massive upgrade in vocal qualities when they got James Christian and re-named themselves House of Lords.

[kgdjpubs]

Saying I'm just a Pineda guy misses the mark a bit. I' can be critical of him at times too. Fact is, you're right....nobody knows what Perry can do anymore. I don't know how much practice he gets either. I know Farnham still sounds great and so does Bruce. If I were to make a bet, the bet would be that Perry doesn't have the chops anymore. He's been out of circ for about 15 years. You'd think as great as he was, he would have at least performed for a few special occasions over the years.

Agreed. Look at Farnham, DeYoung, Dio, Paul Rodgers..they are all still as good as they were once before. Hell, Bruce is tons better now than he was 30 years ago. Hell, he may be one of the better live singers today. Granted, those catalogs aren't nearly as tough as the Perry catalog, but there is proof that singers can improve over time, not always deteriorate. I won't place a bet on what Perry can or can't do anymore, that isn't fair to him, not fair to "guess" as to the status of one of the greatest voices ever heard. But I got news for you Steveo, if they are already tuning down, in the first Pineda tour, that can't mean good things. Yeah yeah I know, they're saving him. That's a complete bale of bullshit. How long you folks think Journey will hang around? My guess is they will be done in 5 or less years. Their music just won't fly when 60 year old guys and a 30 year old rent a singer are delivering it. Not selling them short nor am I belittling them, but can you see 60 year old guys belting out Open Arms or WCN? Come on now. That's one of the problems with fluff lyrics but that is a different argument for a different thread.

Edit: and of course you are right..it's far easier to name the singers who have lost a lot...Elliot is terrible. Cronin is as thin as a piece of paper and Bono is wasted; his voice is about as empty as it can get. Jagger has no more in the tank and neither does Tyler. And thank God for tape when talking about Townshend.

Nobody knows how much Perry has left, but it's probably a safe bet that he could do some amount of a tour if he wanted to given proper rest between shows. The issue is that he was having problems performing live tuned down 15 years ago--starting with the opening night. I have little doubt that he could sound good on a cd, and pull a one-off show without many problems. It's the stamina and strength of vocal cords that is hard to get back, and that's a long road to hoe to get on the level he was even 15 years ago. The Journey catalog has numerous victims over the years, and trying it live at 60+ isn't for the faint of heart.

Sure, maybe his voice has improved--and there are singers who have gotten it back (Glenn Hughes, Jimi Jamison, etc), but nothing in Perry's history has ever shown that, and a lot of that decline was while he wasn't recording. If he could get to 1995-96 level, I'd be impressed.

I'd love to see him give it another go, but with each passing year, that light fades a little.

[Saint John]

If he could get to 1995-96 level, I'd be impressed.

He is at that level now ... no ability to sing live. And there's nothing impressive about it.

[kgdjpubs]

If he could get to 1995-96 level, I'd be impressed.

He is at that level now ... no ability to sing live. And there's nothing impressive about it.

he had plenty of good shows on the FTLOSM tour where his voice was just fine.....just some undetermined number of rough ones in there also.

[Saint John]

If he could get to 1995-96 level, I'd be impressed.

He is at that level now ... no ability to sing live. And there's nothing impressive about it.

he had plenty of good shows on the FTLOSM tour where his voice was just fine.....just some undetermined number of rough ones in there also.

Yeah, but you said 1995-96 and he had clearly deteriorated from the FTLOSM tour. He had much less power and no ability to take off with his voice, and this was with the benefit of the studio and however many takes he needed. I doubt he could have pulled off any sort of tour and I think he realized that very quickly.

[kgdjpubs]

If he could get to 1995-96 level, I'd be impressed.

He is at that level now ... no ability to sing live. And there's nothing impressive about it.

he had plenty of good shows on the FTLOSM tour where his voice was just fine.....just some undetermined number of rough ones in there also.

Yeah, but you said 1995-96 and he had clearly deteriorated from the FTLOSM tour. He had much less power and no ability to take off with his voice, and this was with the benefit of the studio and however many takes he needed. I doubt he could have pulled off any sort of tour and I think he realized that very quickly.

you might be right...but with Perry's apparent penchant for recording in the AM when your voice is dry and creaky for effect, live is about the only way to determine how much he had left. There were parts of TBF (Still She Cries comes to mind) where he sounded pretty darn good. If his voice was that bad though, then it shouldn't have been a surprise to anybody that he wouldn't--or more truthfully, couldn't--tour. By all accounts, the TBF material is easier to sing than the hits are. If he was down that much, it would have been well-known within the band--and nothing seems to support that scenario.

You are right though that something made him to an abrupt about-face and return to hermiting. He may be the only one who knows why.

[Michigan Girl]

If he could get to 1995-96 level, I'd be impressed.

He is at that level now ... no ability to sing live. And there's nothing impressive about it.

he had plenty of good shows on the FTLOSM tour where his voice was just fine.....just some undetermined number of rough ones in there also.

Yeah, but you said 1995-96 and he had clearly deteriorated from the FTLOSM tour. He had much less power and no ability to take off with his voice, and this was with the benefit of the studio and however many takes he needed. I doubt he could have pulled off any sort of tour and I think he realized that very quickly.

you might be right...but with Perry's apparent penchant for recording in the AM when your voice is dry and creaky for effect, live is about the only way to determine how much he had left. There were parts of TBF (Still She Cries comes to mind) where he sounded pretty darn good. If his voice was that bad though, then it shouldn't have been a surprise to anybody that he wouldn't--or more truthfully, couldn't--tour. By all accounts, the TBF material is easier to sing than the hits are. If he was down that much, it would have been well-known within the band--and nothing seems to support that scenario.
You are right though that something made him to an abrupt about-face and return to hetmiting. He may be the only one who knows why.

Your posts are so diplomatic and make perfect sense!! I agree totally w/the bolded~If he couldn't sing, what was all the bitching about?!?!

[kgdjpubs]

Your posts are so diplomatic and make perfect sense!!

just trying to bring some amount of logic and reason to a place that seems to be lacking in both

[portland]

Your posts are so diplomatic and make perfect sense!!

just trying to bring some amount of logic and reason to a place that seems to be lacking in both

Good Luck with that!!!

I really enjoy your posts as well.

[S2M]

I didn't want to make this a SP thread....but somehow, I knew that it would end up going on that ill-fated tangent.

FYI - I wouldn't pay to see Journey if SP re-joined anyhow. Those days are well passed. I have no interest in seeing those Herculoids take the stage.

[Jana]

Giuffria would be a great choice as I'be always been a David Glen Eisley fan. He sounds like SP, and Call to the Heart is one of the all time great melodic rock tracks.

linky... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoesUC3lec Nope, doesn't sound like Perry.

Wow, I hear it and he seems to use some of Perry's vocal mannerisms.

I can hear some similarities to Perry in range, but with all due respect, he has the subtleties of a hovercraft when it comes to phrasing--which Perry was a MASTER at. That band did a massive upgrade in vocal qualities when they got James Christian and re-named themselves House of Lords.

[Saint John]

If he couldn't sing, what was all the bitching about?!?!

It's about initially saying yes and giving your verbal word, and accepting part of an almost $80 million dollar guarantee that had to be given back because of bullshit excuses. The tour would have certainly been at least a half step down and most likely a full step. But they would have done it.

[bluejeangirl76]

FYI - I wouldn't pay to see Journey if SP re-joined anyhow.

I would. It's like watching Pete & Roger play together - they're up there together and you know they don't like each other - and once in awhile, you catch Pete giving the evil eye while he's playing.

I can just picture sourpuss Friga giving the staredown.

[Deb]

If he couldn't sing, what was all the bitching about?!?!

It's about initially saying yes and giving your verbal word, and accepting part of an almost $80 million dollar guarantee that had to be given back because of bullshit excuses. The tour would have certainly been at least a half step down and most likely a full step. But they would have done it.

Wow, not only do you know exactly why JSS was let go and other inner band decisions, but now you are also privvey to their financial dealings too. Somebody in the organization send you a copy of the contracts/financial spreadsheets?

[lights1961]

FYI - I wouldn't pay to see Journey if SP re-joined anyhow.

I would. It's like watching Pete & Roger play together - they're up there together and you know they don't like each other - and once in awhile, you catch Pete giving the evil eye while he's playing.

I can just picture sourpuss Friga giving the staredown.

yep.. seeing the LEGEND would be worth the admission...and anyone who says they would not pay top dollar to see a reunited journey is lying... have the 1979-1980 journey would be a great reunion. Rolie would replace Cain... so no staredown...

[Michigan Girl]

If he couldn't sing, what was all the bitching about?!?!

It's about initially saying yes and giving your verbal word, and accepting part of an almost $80 million dollar guarantee that had to be given back because of bullshit excuses. The tour would have certainly been at least a half step down and most likely a full step. But they would have done it.

But they knew he was capable of completing the task at hand, right?!?!

[brywool]

one thing that was cool about the VH1 show, I think it was the catalyst for getting "Extreme" back together. They didn't get together for that show, but soon after their episode, they did. Great band.

[Red13JoePa]

one thing that was cool about the VH1 show, I think it was the catalyst for getting "Extreme" back together. They didn't get together for that show,

Yep, Bettancourt acting like an enigmatic big-timing jerkoff. No wonder he supposedly jelled so well with heat tile head.

[S2M]

And just where are those SP/Nuno collaborations?

[Tomulator]

The Beatles.

Well...you asked!

[Saint John]

If he couldn't sing, what was all the bitching about?!?!

It's about initially saying yes and giving your verbal word, and accepting part of an almost $80 million dollar guarantee that had to be given back because of bullshit excuses. The tour would have certainly been at least a half step down and most likely a full step. But they would have done it.

Wow, not only do you know exactly why JSS was let go and other inner band decisions, but now you are also privvey to their financial dealings too. Somebody in the organization send you a copy of the contracts/financial spreadsheets?

Pretty much right on the money! Besides, I'm pretty sure Soto knows why he was bounced.