The Food Thread

[Rockindeano]

I would give someone the shirt off my back if they needed it

No, that's ok, I'd rather die of leukemia.

[Blueskies]

I would give someone the shirt off my back if they needed it

No, that's ok, I'd rather die of leukemia.

I give up. You just don't get it or don't want to and there is no talking to you. You are how you choose to be. I would have never regretted helping you if you didn't make me regret it. Whatever.

[Rockindeano]

you hear the gossip, you see the garbage said on this forum, yet instead of setting people straight you join in and even cheer on and instigate attacks on me.

Are you on Meth? You really think I got Lynn on the horn and told her to go at it with you? That woman is the kindest soul on this board and I am guessing it takes a lot to get her panties wet enough to brawl, which you and her did do. I am also telling you I never coerced with Behshad the Teletype Terrorist either. His beef with you is just that, his beef with you, not mine. It's not a coincidence Phyllis, that it's you versus the Board right now. I am not being funny, I am telling you the facts. Blueskies versus, Dean, Behshad, Dan, donna, Lynn, BJG, Matty, and countless others. It just can't be coincidence can it? My point is why the need to brawl? What happened three fucking years ago is old news, regardless of who did what to whom. Why can't you come in here, and banter around with people, give and take, even drop a verbal beatdown or gasp, an F bomb? It's supposed to be a nice place to hang. You aren't making it nice at all. Like Steveo77 said, every thread he sees you in, there is a war brewing.

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I am pulling my fucking hair out here; I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

If you want to accept a truce offer, I am sure the "Clique" will accept it...Hell, I can negotiate it for you right now if you like?

[Rockindeano]

Do you want me to list all the names you've called me??? Can Andrew afford to spare the kind of bandwidth that would take??

Yes, he can. I donated to his site 2 days ago..he can afford a dust up or 7.

[yulog]

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I am pulling my fucking hair out here; I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

Fact -Deano asked me at least twice to lighten up on phil

[steveo777]

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I am pulling my fucking hair out here; I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

Fact -Deano asked me at least twice to lighten up on phil

Hey, if I wasn't on the wagon I could have really been ugly today.

[bluejeangirl76]

Do you want me to list all the names you've called me??? Can Andrew afford to spare the kind of bandwidth that would take??

Yes, he can. I donated to his site 2 days ago..he can afford a dust up or 7.

Thanks for that Dean. Since you paid in advance, and since I'm apparently trying to "talk like the boys", then no one will mind if I say it's time for that crunchy, flaky old snagglesnatch to wrap it up and move on. Good god, 29 pages. Yet she has better things to do?

[Rockindeano]

Do you want me to list all the names you've called me??? Can Andrew afford to spare the kind of bandwidth that would take??

Yes, he can. I donated to his site 2 days ago..he can afford a dust up or 7.

Thanks for that Dean. Since you paid in advance, and since I'm apparently trying to "talk like the boys", then no one will mind if I say it's time for that crunchy, flaky old snagglesnatch to wrap it up and move on. Good god, 29 pages. Yet she has better things to do?

Well thanks to your fowl mouth and incessant postings about the United States Postal Service, I will have to send that squirrely rat bastard another 30 bucks tomorrow.

[Blueskies]

you hear the gossip, you see the garbage said on this forum, yet instead of setting people straight you join in and even cheer on and instigate attacks on me.

Are you on Meth? You really think I got Lynn on the horn and told her to go at it with you? That woman is the kindest soul on this board and I am guessing it takes a lot to get her panties wet enough to brawl, which you and her did do. I am also telling you I never coerced with Behshad the Teletype Terrorist either. His beef with you is just that, his beef with you, not mine. It's not a coincidence Phyllis, that it's you versus the Board right now. I am not being funny, I am telling you the facts. Blueskies versus, Dean, Behshad, Dan, donna, Lynn, BJG, Matty, and countless others. It just can't be coincidence can it? My point is why the need to brawl? What happened three fucking years ago is old news, regardless of who did what to whom. Why can't you come in here, and banter around with people, give and take, even drop a verbal beatdown or gasp, an F bomb? It's supposed to be a nice place to hang. You aren't making it nice at all. Like Steveo77 said, every thread he sees you in, there is a war brewing.

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

If you want to accept a truce offer, I am sure the "Cliche" will accept it...Hell, I can negotiate it for you right now if you like?

Dean, you know dag gone well that people gossip about others and even about their friends in PM. You also know that things that have been said of me are completely untrue, that I didn't "stalk" you in Florida or any of that nonsense. You have been the victim of the gossip from time to time yourself, remember? Some busybodies were even going to Lula with gossip and accusing you of having an affair on her. The gossiping has caused all kinds of problems between people here. Why do you think I keep mentioning that if I have something to say to someone I'll say it right to them, not behind their back. No, I'm not any more perfect then any one else but the gossiping I don't go in for. It has got to stop! Will it? Can anyone make it stop, even you? NO, but maybe if it was talked about then you and really, all, could help alleviate some of the problem.

Come on, I fully realize that most people on here are generally good people...even many who have went at me, but if someone doesn't give...and the other accept, to call truce and be more respectful of one another then it won't happen. As far as you saying I am always in a war...have you really took a notice to how many were due to Behshad and SJ and their attack games??? Come on. I don't start threads about myself. I don't randomly mention someone and talk about them and call them names in a thread they aren't even posting in like y'all do. In fact I rarely have called anyone a name at all and the only two I've ever made comment about appearance to is you and Dan in retaliation. Making fun of folks is not my thing. I have criticised behavior for the most part instead. But I would more freely admit to and accept my share in these " spats" if others would too. I don't spat by myself, ya know and anyone in a spat has to share responsibility in it.

Anyway, I doubt a couple will go along with your truce but if you can negotiate one I will sign it.

[steveo777]

^ that's some crazy assed shit up there. A truce negotiated by Deano? I barely know this hag but know enough that I wouldn't piss on her if she were on fire fighting for the last breath of life.

[Rockindeano]

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I am pulling my fucking hair out here; I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

Fact -Deano asked me at least twice to lighten up on phil

Hey, if I wasn't on the wagon I could have really been ugly today.

Let me answer for MG-

You already are ugly.

[steveo777]

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I am pulling my fucking hair out here; I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

Fact -Deano asked me at least twice to lighten up on phil

Hey, if I wasn't on the wagon I could have really been ugly today.

Let me answer for MG-

You already are ugly.

Fucker!

[Blueskies]

Do you want me to list all the names you've called me??? Can Andrew afford to spare the kind of bandwidth that would take??

Yes, he can. I donated to his site 2 days ago..he can afford a dust up or 7.

Thanks for that Dean. Since you paid in advance, and since I'm apparently trying to "talk like the boys", then no one will mind if I say it's time for that crunchy, flaky old snagglesnatch to wrap it up and move on. Good god, 29 pages. Yet she has better things to do?

The worst I have said of you is that you talk like a boy and that sometimes you have a " FOWL" chicken mouth, get it? ( yes I make a lot of typos but that one was done on purpose ) Which is true and if one of your friends had said it you probably wouldn't have been annoyed. Does continueing to call me names like you just did solve the issue? If you were me wouldn't you just call more names in return? Should I? Am I?

[bluejeangirl76]

But I would more freely admit to and accept my share in these " spats" if others would too. I don't spat by myself, ya know and anyone in a spat has to share responsibility in it.

Now this I agree with. But the thing is that, I find, more often than not around here, people get into it, feel badly and end up working it out one way or another, and usually in PM so as not do drag things down further. I won't bring up those persons' names because I don't do that, and I wasn't involved, but from personal experience, I see what I deem are mostly good people here who don't seem to have a problem saying "I'm sorry" or "that was wrong of me"... etc.

[Rockindeano]

Ok Phyliss.

I am offering you a Truce ammendment (Deano Treaty )

I hope the rest of these folks will heed the good will entered upon here.

Here's the offer:

1- Stop saying stupid shit all the time. Case in point, when Linda, another really wholesome soul on this board starts a thread for Daddy, thanking him and offering to help him, don't come in here half cocked and drop "I told you so's" and "Dumb Idea" smack. Just fucking think before you upset the apple cart.

2- Let bygones be bygones. I can't stress this one enough. Bringing up your last saved bullet in your rusty chamber, like the Florida weekend, or the loan is getting more tired than the Dirty Dozen. I know you know this is annoying to everybody here, and that's why you do it. I annoy the shit out folks, but at least I try to be semi funny some of the time. Try to drop some humour, and if you are told you aren't funny, don't get bent, just let it roll off you. You have got to check yourself on this issue.

3- Don't fixate on "You versus the Clique." There is no clique. It's a friendhood if you will. These people have all met one another, and what does it say to you when they can't wait to get back together again with so much eagerness?

4- If you accept this in good faith, I can say the others will as well. No one wants this incessant barking all the fucking time. If someone drops an F bomb, accept it- you are on an adult message board you know. This isn't Sesame Street.

5- Oh last one. Please don't try to correct other's grammar. You definitely are not the sharpest pencil in the box when it comes to writing a perfect post. Just saying, I can correct Baby Blue every post, but I don't.

What says you?

[Blueskies]

But I would more freely admit to and accept my share in these " spats" if others would too. I don't spat by myself, ya know and anyone in a spat has to share responsibility in it.

Now this I agree with. But the thing is that, I find, more often than not around here, people get into it, feel badly and end up working it out one way or another, and usually in PM so as not do drag things down further. I won't bring up those persons' names because I don't do that, and I wasn't involved, but from personal experience, I see what I deem are mostly good people here who don't seem to have a problem saying "I'm sorry" or "that was wrong of me"... etc.

There is someone here that did that with me and I'm sure he won't mind my saying because we discussed it openly on the forum.... that was Jim. He apologized in PM and then I offered to talk on the phone, he called and we had a good conversation, he got a better understanding of me through verbal communication and I did of him...we were able to see one another as people. So often things get taken the wrong way in writting...many times differently then the person really intended. Often people see certain attitudes in how something is worded that the writer may not even have. So it is a bit of a problem many times when people communicate in writing with out the benefit of knowing them in person, or at least not to have ever talked to them on the phone. Thats why those who have met and spent time together in person have an advantage and know where the other is coming from and when they are joking or not.

[Blueskies]

Ok Phyliss.

I am offering you a Truce ammendment (Deano Treaty )

I hope the rest of these folks will heed the good will entered upon here.

Here's the offer:

1- Stop saying stupid shit all the time. Case in point, when Linda, another really wholesome soul on this board starts a thread for Daddy, thanking him and offering to help him, don't come in here half cocked and drop "I told you so's" and "Dumb Idea" smack. Just fucking think before you upset the apple cart.

2- Let bygones be bygones. I can't stress this one enough. Bringing up your last saved bullet in your rusty chamber, like the Florida weekend, or the loan is getting more tired than the Dirty Dozen. I know you know this is annoying to everybody here, and that's why you do it. I annoy the shit out folks, but at least I try to be semi funny some of the time. Try to drop some humour, and if you are told you aren't funny, don't get bent, just let it roll off you. You have got to check yourself on this issue.

3- Don't fixate on "You versus the Cliche." There is no cliche. It's a friendhood if you will. These people have all met one another, and what does it say to you when they can't wait to get back together again with so much eagerness.

4- If you accept this in good faith, I can say the others will as well. No one wants this incessant barking all the fucking time. If someone drops an F bomb, accept it- you are on an adult message board you know. This isn't Sesame Street.

What says you?

Extremely one sided there, don't you think? I'm Geronimo with how this is worded.

[Ehwmatt]

Come on, I fully realize that most people on here are generally good people...

I'm shocked and heartened to see you finally admit this. I'm glad to hear it.

As far as you saying I am always in a war...have you really took a notice to how many were due to Behshad and SJ and their attack games??? Come on. I don't start threads about myself.

Dan and B are both great people who have fun posting on the Internet. There is nothing sinister at work. No one started threads about you, at least not recently, until you made the comment you knew would inflame passions regarding Andrew's activities.

I don't randomly mention someone and talk about them and call them names in a thread they aren't even posting in like y'all do.

Yes, it's happened, but it's hard to say you didn't deserve it. Maybe it's not right and I'm sure all involved would cease if you would just loosen up and shoot the shit about music here and throw a good-natured barb or hundred here and there, as Dean alluded to.

In fact I rarely have called anyone a name at all and the only two I've ever made comment about appearance to is you and Dan in retaliation.

You should try it more often, it's fun.

Making fun of folks is not my thing. I have criticised behavior for the most part instead.

This is an Internet forum. Yes, these are real people involved with real feelings behind the screens, but at the end of the day, it's widely understood that this is a place to unwind. Things get said. They're often funny, despite being mean/vulgar on the surface. Hell, I've had some shit thrown my way, especially when we were posting pictures, that had me roaring in laughter that would upset someone with thinner skin.

Anyway, I doubt a couple will go along with your truce but if you can negotiate one I will sign it.

You have really good taste in music... wider/more diverse than most here, in fact. I always appreciate the ISOLATED moments where you're not playing the forum adjudicator/Ms. Manners and talking about music because you know a lot more than your average MR poster. I'd like to see more of that and less (actually none) of playing the forum conscience. If you can do it, I doubt it would be that tough for things like these to stop happening on all parties' parts.

I'm not saying you can only come and post about music or not share your opinions. I don't think that'd be possible for an opinionated person like you. But, the mode of expression and the things you opine about (eg calling someone out for being "vulgar" on here really isn't gonna touch the hearts and minds of the people) could be selected more judiciously.

[Rockindeano]

Ok Phyliss.

I am offering you a Truce ammendment (Deano Treaty )

I hope the rest of these folks will heed the good will entered upon here.

Here's the offer:

1- Stop saying stupid shit all the time. Case in point, when Linda, another really wholesome soul on this board starts a thread for Daddy, thanking him and offering to help him, don't come in here half cocked and drop "I told you so's" and "Dumb Idea" smack. Just fucking think before you upset the apple cart.

2- Let bygones be bygones. I can't stress this one enough. Bringing up your last saved bullet in your rusty chamber, like the Florida weekend, or the loan is getting more tired than the Dirty Dozen. I know you know this is annoying to everybody here, and that's why you do it. I annoy the shit out folks, but at least I try to be semi funny some of the time. Try to drop some humour, and if you are told you aren't funny, don't get bent, just let it roll off you. You have got to check yourself on this issue.

3- Don't fixate on "You versus the Cliche." There is no cliche. It's a friendhood if you will. These people have all met one another, and what does it say to you when they can't wait to get back together again with so much eagerness.

4- If you accept this in good faith, I can say the others will as well. No one wants this incessant barking all the fucking time. If someone drops an F bomb, accept it- you are on an adult message board you know. This isn't Sesame Street.

What says you?

Extremely one sided there, don't you think? I'm Geronimo with how this is worded.

Shit, I cut off the rest of my post...

I was going to say that we all abide by the same set of rules and there will be no more Geronimos. It's a double sided offer.

[Blueskies]

Ehmwatt, I get what you are saying and that's the way this forum used to be and I used to laugh at most things, still actually do but there are some things that were way over the line even for here. Again, you don't know me so you have it in your mind that I am a prude and can't take a joke. Not true at all...that's why I took Dean a couple presents in Florida....I didn't want to intrude on their party at all, I just wanted to stop by just so he could see me as a person and then talk to me a little more respectfully on the forum that what he had. He had also made jokes about my love of art...I am an artist and I'm passionate about art but I did know he was joking so I took him a couple art related items because I knew he would get a smile from that.

See, we used to have an understanding a bit more after that. Back then he also quite joking with me in a vulgar manner and was more respectful. Along the way that understanding we had got lost and I won't hash it all out again but mistrust developed. Now Behshad and Dan are another story. B started in on me a long time ago. Maybe he was just joking but it didn't come across that way although I did try to just joke back in return many times both he and Dan increased the nastiness. That and another reason is why I have had good reason to not find this board so funny any more. Too many games played by too many people over time. It seems to me that it went downhill after whoever "susie" was caused problems where no one trusts anyone generally now unless they know them in person.....and then when Arnel was chosen for Journey then things became more mean spirited on here....also there was the trouble some woman named Kim caused....and then there has been the gossip problem and some ( I won't name names here to get them going) have even plotted going after other forum members with their friends. Some can deny it but it has happened.

When I first joined it was much more fun and people were more trusting and people for the most part were not as vicious. It's alright to joke but some go too far with it. So some may want to see the problem is just with me but it isn't. Keep it fun natured and I have no problem but if things are done and said that hurts someone, is discriminatory against some forum members then that is just not funny to me or many others.

As you say, some have to take some joking a bit better but I would also say that some need to be able to take some criticism a bit better too and not get all defensive and immediately jump to calling names when what was said wasn't done with namecalling at all. Thats not discussing something.

[Blueskies]

Ok Phyliss.

I am offering you a Truce ammendment (Deano Treaty )

I hope the rest of these folks will heed the good will entered upon here.

Here's the offer:

1- Stop saying stupid shit all the time. Case in point, when Linda, another really wholesome soul on this board starts a thread for Daddy, thanking him and offering to help him, don't come in here half cocked and drop "I told you so's" and "Dumb Idea" smack. Just fucking think before you upset the apple cart.

2- Let bygones be bygones. I can't stress this one enough. Bringing up your last saved bullet in your rusty chamber, like the Florida weekend, or the loan is getting more tired than the Dirty Dozen. I know you know this is annoying to everybody here, and that's why you do it. I annoy the shit out folks, but at least I try to be semi funny some of the time. Try to drop some humour, and if you are told you aren't funny, don't get bent, just let it roll off you. You have got to check yourself on this issue.

3- Don't fixate on "You versus the Cliche." There is no cliche. It's a friendhood if you will. These people have all met one another, and what does it say to you when they can't wait to get back together again with so much eagerness.

4- If you accept this in good faith, I can say the others will as well. No one wants this incessant barking all the fucking time. If someone drops an F bomb, accept it- you are on an adult message board you know. This isn't Sesame Street.

What says you?

Extremely one sided there, don't you think? I'm Geronimo with how this is worded.

Shit, I cut off the rest of my post...

I was going to say that we all abide by the same set of rules and there will be no more Geronimos. It's a double sided offer.

Forget what you wrote there. As long as people are a bit more respectful of others...that they don't set out to hurt other people and gang up on them and go too far over the line where the joke is completely disrespectful and just flat out mean spirited to anyone (other than their friends who joke with them the same way), if people cut out the gossiping and spreading tales about folks and causing problems between them .. then I have no problem with anyone.

And people must realize that this is an open public forum that isn't just for friends but where all are welcome to enter and feel comfortable being here. Whenever a new person enters they are usually scrutinized like they are guilty before being proven innocent.

[stevew2]

My gay posts got me banned ?and this is okay? This is fuckin retarted, go at it

[yulog]

Group hug everyone someone pass me the syrup Folks you can't fix mental illness ,you just learn to live with it. Just do the best you can with Phil , don't expect much, he's not going to change. Thats one very sick lonely guy.

[artist4perry]

You are a teddy bear sweetie, a cute cuddly sharting teddy bear at that! Hugs Deano!

I don't know about that Ginger. What I do know is that I am not the demon that Janet Reno here has portrayed me as. I can tell you right now, that Phyliss is completely full of shit. I would help anyone on this board if I could and they asked. I am hoping Dan and Matty ask me for help in downing a case of beer. I would be on my way the next morning, driving the 2,000 miles if I had to.

You might be gruff on the exterior, but there are times you are the sweetest soal. I have come to learn that. And Blueskies, just for thought, he is the main one trying to create a truce here. He has defended you when no one else wanted to. Keep that in mind please. You guys have a great day. I am off to work.

[portland]

Ehmwatt, I get what you are saying and that's the way this forum used to be and I used to laugh at most things, still actually do but there are some things that were way over the line even for here. Again, you don't know me so you have it in your mind that I am a prude and can't take a joke. Not true at all...that's why I took Dean a couple presents in Florida....I didn't want to intrude on their party at all, I just wanted to stop by just so he could see me as a person and then talk to me a little more respectfully on the forum that what he had. He had also made jokes about my love of art...I am an artist and I'm passionate about art but I did know he was joking so I took him a couple art related items because I knew he would get a smile from that.

See, we used to have an understanding a bit more after that. Back then he also quite joking with me in a vulgar manner and was more respectful. Along the way that understanding we had got lost and I won't hash it all out again but mistrust developed. Now Behshad and Dan are another story. B started in on me a long time ago. Maybe he was just joking but it didn't come across that way although I did try to just joke back in return many times both he and Dan increased the nastiness. That and another reason is why I have had good reason to not find this board so funny any more. Too many games played by too many people over time. It seems to me that it went downhill after whoever "susie" was caused problems where no one trusts anyone generally now unless they know them in person.....and then when Arnel was chosen for Journey then things became more mean spirited on here....also there was the trouble some woman named Kim caused....and then there has been the gossip problem and some ( I won't name names here to get them going) have even plotted going after other forum members with their friends. Some can deny it but it has happened.

When I first joined it was much more fun and people were more trusting and people for the most part were not as vicious. It's alright to joke but some go too far with it. So some may want to see the problem is just with me but it isn't. Keep it fun natured and I have no problem but if things are done and said that hurts someone, is discriminatory against some forum members then that is just not funny to me or many others.

As you say, some have to take some joking a bit better but I would also say that some need to be able to take some criticism a bit better too and not get all defensive and immediately jump to calling names when what was said wasn't done with namecalling at all. Thats not discussing something.

I just don't understand that if this place and how it is "now" is so awful for you than why do you come here and post? If it made
me feel the way you seem to feel about the people who are here on a daily basis, I would not come here....there are plenty of places on the internet that you can post on. I think this place can be over the top some days...but if I don't want to come here I am an adult and I can leave at anytime.

Jana once told me something in a PM and ever since the day she told me her wisdom about MR I have kept her words in my mind. I am the one in control here....If I don't like something that someone says to or about me it's my decision to stay or go....and as far as arguing in a PM it takes two to do so and I can always not read a message and hit the delete button...it's my choice.

I don't have any history with you here...all I know is what I read in your posts...I have not been one to pile on anyone here...but when you came into the thread that Linda started and basically expressed your unwillingness to donate and the less than supportive attitude toward what Andrew is working his ass off to make happen...I found it to be disrespectful and quite frankly rude.....and it brings upon the negative attention that you have said that you want no part of. I am not a part of any group, team or whatever you seem to think exists here....I have not met anyone here in person. I do think there are many great folks here who are very passionate about the music that I love...and yes we all have opinions.

Anyway that is my advice and opinion of why this all happens....and I am sure that you don't give a flying fuck what I think. I have been on the other end of the wrath that a post can create....I am adult enough to know that I had a part in receiving the wrath that was handed out....I asked for it....if you egg someone on here you have to be ready to get what you give...it has taken me 4000 posts to get it....I now do.

This is it for me...I am not going to fuel the fire as they say....and without fuel fire usually goes out.

[Babyblue]

Ehmwatt, I get what you are saying and that's the way this forum used to be and I used to laugh at most things, still actually do but there are some things that were way over the line even for here. Again, you don't know me so you have it in your mind that I am a prude and can't take a joke. Not true at all...that's why I took Dean a couple presents in Florida....I didn't want to intrude on their party at all, I just wanted to stop by just so he could see me as a person and then talk to me a little more respectfully on the forum that what he had. He had also made jokes about my love of art...I am an artist and I'm passionate about art but I did know he was joking so I took him a couple art related items because I knew he would get a smile from that.

See, we used to have an understanding a bit more after that. Back then he also quite joking with me in a vulgar manner and was more respectful. Along the way that understanding we had got lost and I won't hash it all out again but mistrust developed. Now Behshad and Dan are another story. B started in on me a long time ago. Maybe he was just joking but it didn't come across that way although I did try to just joke back in return many times both he and Dan increased the nastiness. That and another reason is why I have had good reason to not find this board so funny any more. Too many games played by too many people over time. It seems to me that it went downhill after whoever "susie" was caused problems where no one trusts anyone generally now unless they know them in person.....and then when Arnel was chosen for Journey then things became more mean spirited on here....also there was the trouble some woman named Kim caused....and then there has been the gossip problem and some ( I won't name names here to get them going) have even plotted going after other forum members with their friends. Some can deny it but it has happened.

When I first joined it was much more fun and people were more trusting and people for the most part were not as vicious. It's alright to joke but some go too far with it. So some may want to see the problem is just with me but it isn't. Keep it fun natured and I have no problem but if things are done and said that hurts someone, is discriminatory against some forum members then that is just not funny to me or many others.

As you say, some have to take some joking a bit better but I would also say that some need to be able to take some criticism a bit better too and not get all defensive and immediately jump to calling names when what was said wasn't done with namecalling at all. Thats not discussing something.

I just don't understand that if this place and how it is "now" is so awful for you than why do you come here and post? If it made
me feel the way you seem to feel about the people who are here on a daily basis, I would not come here....there are plenty of places on the internet that you can post on. I think this place can be over the top some days...but if I don't want to come here I am an adult and I can leave at anytime.

Jana once told me something in a PM and ever since the day she told me her wisdom about MR I have kept her words in my mind. I am the one in control here....If I don't like something that someone says to or about me it's my decision to stay or go....and as far as arguing in a PM it takes two to do so and I can always not read a message and hit the delete button...it's my choice.

I don't have any history with you here...all I know is what I read in your posts...I have not been one to pile on anyone here...but when you came into the thread that Linda started and basically expressed your unwillingness to donate and the less than supportive attitude toward what Andrew is working his ass off to make happen...I found it to be disrespectful and quite frankly rude.....and it brings upon the negative attention that you have said that you want no part of. I am not a part of any group, team or whatever you seem to think exists here....I have not met anyone here in person. I do think there are many great folks here who are very passionate about the music that I love...and yes we all have opinions.

Anyway that is my advice and opinion of why this all happens....and I am sure that you don't give a flying fuck what I think. I have been on the other end of the wrath that a post can create....I am adult enough to know that I had a part in receiving the wrath that was handed out....I asked for it....if you egg someone on here you have to be ready to get what you give...it has taken me 4000 posts to get it....I now do.

This is it for me...I am not going to fuel the fire as they say....and without fuel fire usually goes out.

All i have to say is Portland i love your AV.Holy Cow he is so Sexy.

[portland]

Me too

I post just so I can look at him....great set of pipes to boot!

[stevew2]

Me too

I post just so I can look at him....great set of pipes to boot!

who is that girl ? perry wants to know

[Behshad]

Look at Phyl try to smooth talk Dean,

Dean, There are 2 simple options if Phyl is truly seeking a truce once and for all....... The truce could be reached if

A) she started acting normal. Tried to look at our group as friends having fun rather than a " clique " out after her,,, her negativity has to go away. She needs to develop a sense of humor and try to realize that we are here to have fun.
She needs to learn to dish it back in a fun way. She always thinks that she is standing up for herself. But what she actualuy does is try to create a dust up and getting everyone involved so she can play the " I'm being gangbanged " victim card again.


B) leave. If this place is that horrible that she says it is , log out once and never log back in.


Fair enough , don't u think ?!

[Michigan Girl]

Say all kinds of vile stuff. What do you expect when you do that? For me to say nothing??? Sorry, I use to think you of you as a friend and you're behavior towards me has been like a knife in the back. For real.

Now we go to the victim card. Goddammit Phyllis, I am pulling my fucking hair out here; I did back you up when they got too aggressive before, and you just kept going and going and pretty soon, I realized why they beat on you...you're fucking annoying! Just chill already.

Fact -Deano asked me at least twice to lighten up on phil

Hey, if I wasn't on the wagon I could have really been ugly today.

What does a wagon have to do w/that ...?!?!