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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:44 am

Lula wrote:
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Fact Finder wrote:Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


The second "for" was unecessary ...1/4 of my family are Canadian and I can tell you they all come
here (the states) for emergency/serious medical care/treatment, why?!!? :?


don't know about canada's system first hand, but did you hear palin say they used to cross the border for medical care? :lol: love that :wink:


Yes, she said it was better than what was offered to them in rural Alaska ...that's really sad!! :?
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:45 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.


:shock: :shock: huh?


Yeah, didnt you hear the news, a twister struck Minnesota last year, picked up the Mayo Clinic and set it down in Winnipeg. Now Winnepeg is full of Japanese, Russian, French, Saudis, Israelis, British, Brazillian, and Italian visitors all streaming there to be treated for aiments that cant get fixed at home.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:54 am

Whatever. The GOP is the party of "no" and has NO functional ideas of their own, and those smaller proposals they've put forward won't help anyone at all.

You're assuming way too much. The CPI is improving steadily, and if unemployment goes down to around 8.5%, as many economists are predicting - and once the health care bill goes into effect and people realize it will help more than hurt them - the GOP will be BURIED in this November's elections.

And you can't have a revolution if you don't have ANY fucking ideas.

That, and the fact that Republicans are in trouble because the Tea Party will take away a lot of votes from the GOP this fall.

Your party should be just as worried - and if the economy is loking better this winter, forget about it.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:10 am

It continues to amuse me that the GOP, which spent the first six years of George Dubbya "Herbert Hoover" Bush proudly flaunting its muscle via reconciliation and unapologetically approving debt- and defecit- financed legislation, should suddenly express concerns for balancing the budget...never mind the fact you can't get out of a recession (Bush, I'm sure, is proud to completely own two of his own recessions) without defecit spending. These ads, which claim the health care bill will "increase health care costs for all Americans" yet is paid for by Blue Cross (hmmmmm....), when in fact it will do the opposite...people continue to be brainwashed. That's why it's EXTREMELY important to notice how people actually APPROVE of the bill in a signiicant majority once it is EXPLAINED to them by someone other than the Chickenhawk Five and Ann Coulter.

Republicans have NO IDEA how to handle an economy...everything they touch turns to shit.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:35 am

hoagiepete wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.


:shock: :shock: huh?


It is Pete, 100% true. Don't believe the stories Fox feeds you. Up there, everyone is covered, and pre-existing health problems are not an issue. Do you have to wait a week or two for something that's not serious? Perhaps, but anyone who lives there will tell you, it's far better than the system we have down here. How can anyone say the US helath system is the best, or even good? My god, a fourth of the citizens have NO access to it! Of course I am full of hot air...but the World ranking for the US is I believe 17th? I need to check that, but you get my point. No system is the best if all of it's citizens can't enjoy the same benefits, period.

Canada gets it. The USA could learn a lot about from that place.
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:37 am

Rockindeano wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.


:shock: :shock: huh?


It is Pete, 100% true. Don't believe the stories Fox feeds you. Up there, everyone is covered, and pre-existing health problems are not an issue. Do you have to wait a week or two for something that's not serious? Perhaps, but anyone who lives there will tell you, it's far better than the system we have down here. How can anyone say the US helath system is the best, or even good? My god, a fourth of the citizens have NO access to it! Of course I am full of hot air...but the World ranking for the US is I believe 17th? I need to check that, but you get my point. No system is the best if all of it's citizens can't enjoy the same benefits, period.

Canada gets it. The USA could learn a lot about from that place.


All good until it takes you 3 months to get to see the doctor. That doesn't work when you are near death.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:37 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.

Then why are they coming to America to have their lives saved?!?! :?


They're not. Stop getting your bullshit from Palin and Fox. Let me ask you though, why do Americans journey north to buy affordable drugs? You won't win this argument, no way.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:38 am

steveo777 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.


:shock: :shock: huh?


It is Pete, 100% true. Don't believe the stories Fox feeds you. Up there, everyone is covered, and pre-existing health problems are not an issue. Do you have to wait a week or two for something that's not serious? Perhaps, but anyone who lives there will tell you, it's far better than the system we have down here. How can anyone say the US helath system is the best, or even good? My god, a fourth of the citizens have NO access to it! Of course I am full of hot air...but the World ranking for the US is I believe 17th? I need to check that, but you get my point. No system is the best if all of it's citizens can't enjoy the same benefits, period.

Canada gets it. The USA could learn a lot about from that place.


All good until it takes you 3 months to get to see the doctor. That doesn't work when you are near death.


Again, more unsubstantiated bullshit. It's simply not true. Why don't you ask people who actually have lived there, or do live there? Deb on this Board lives there and wouldn't trade it for anything.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:39 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.

Then why are they coming to America to have their lives saved?!?! :?


They're not. Stop getting your bullshit from Palin and Fox. Let me ask you though, why do Americans journey north to buy affordable drugs? You won't win this argument, no way.
I'm getting my bullshit firsthand ...as I watch loved ones suffer!! I get my drugs locally!! :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:40 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.

Then why are they coming to America to have their lives saved?!?! :?


They're not. Stop getting your bullshit from Palin and Fox. Let me ask you though, why do Americans journey north to buy affordable drugs? You won't win this argument, no way.
I'm getting my bullshit first hand ...as I watch loved ones suffer!! I get my drugs locally!! :wink:


You are telling me you have loved ones FROM Canada who come down here for care? Do I understand you correctly?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:48 am

Yes sir, you do understand me correctly ... :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:49 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Yes sir, you do understand me correctly ... :wink:


So are you Canadian? Your family? Are still pissed about winning the silver? :wink: :)
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:52 am

Rockindeano wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.


:shock: :shock: huh?


It is Pete, 100% true. Don't believe the stories Fox feeds you. Up there, everyone is covered, and pre-existing health problems are not an issue. Do you have to wait a week or two for something that's not serious? Perhaps, but anyone who lives there will tell you, it's far better than the system we have down here. How can anyone say the US helath system is the best, or even good? My god, a fourth of the citizens have NO access to it! Of course I am full of hot air...but the World ranking for the US is I believe 17th? I need to check that, but you get my point. No system is the best if all of it's citizens can't enjoy the same benefits, period.

Canada gets it. The USA could learn a lot about from that place.


All good until it takes you 3 months to get to see the doctor. That doesn't work when you are near death.


Again, more unsubstantiated bullshit. It's simply not true. Why don't you ask people who actually have lived there, or do live there? Deb on this Board lives there and wouldn't trade it for anything.


Most Canadians will never admit that anything in their system is flawed. I have a friend in Manitoba who says things are fucked there. He's been disabled for a few years and says care sucks and it takes forever to get in to see the doc.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:57 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Yes sir, you do understand me correctly ... :wink:


So are you Canadian? Your family? Are still pissed about winning the silver? :wink: :)


My maternal grandmother and that 1/4 of my family ...I am an American Girl/Yank!! :wink:
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:02 am

Rockindeano wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Leave then, see if I care. There are plenty of practicing physicians ready and willing to take their place. There's a new sherrif in town, and things are changing Cons. Get used to it.

Just amazing that you people can support a broken system, one that favors the almighty insurance company, and pisses on the American citizen. Just amazing. People are dying in this country for lack of health care, and to think if they simply lived north of us, they wouldn't have to die. Think about that. I mean after all, you are the party of "right to life" correct? What a hypocrisy the republican party is.



Fuck you're useless if you are listening to Michael Moore again, he said the same shit today about Canada. Lying POS fat fuck Moore ain't worth pissing on if he's on fire. Why in the hell did the Premier of Newfoundland come to the US for heart surgery for if Canada is so fucking good..hmmmmmmm?


You aren't worth the time of day. Canada's health care is 100% better than Americas. Everyone is covered.

Owned.


:shock: :shock: huh?


It is Pete, 100% true. Don't believe the stories Fox feeds you. Up there, everyone is covered, and pre-existing health problems are not an issue. Do you have to wait a week or two for something that's not serious? Perhaps, but anyone who lives there will tell you, it's far better than the system we have down here. How can anyone say the US helath system is the best, or even good? My god, a fourth of the citizens have NO access to it! Of course I am full of hot air...but the World ranking for the US is I believe 17th? I need to check that, but you get my point. No system is the best if all of it's citizens can't enjoy the same benefits, period.

Canada gets it. The USA could learn a lot about from that place.

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Postby Saint John » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:22 am

Rockindeano wrote: Up there, everyone is covered


Same thing here ... unless you're just plain lazy, irresponsible or part of the minute fraction that are hard luck stories.

Rockindeano wrote: How can anyone say the US helath system is the best


Umm ... maybe because it is?!?! :lol:


Rockindeano wrote: My god, a fourth of the citizens have NO access to it!


And that's almost the exact amount of people in this country that aren't worth a fuck.


Rockindeano wrote: No system is the best if all of it's citizens can't enjoy the same benefits, period.


Socialism at its finest! What an embarrassing statement. It should have read "No system is the best if all of its citizens can't enjoy the same opportunity, period." And guess what, they do!

Rockindeano wrote: Canada gets it. The USA could learn a lot about from that place.


Yeah, people from all over the world are just flocking to fucking Canada. :lol: :roll:
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:37 am

Actually, many, many Americans who CANNOT AFFORD to have procedures done in the U.S. have them done in Canada for precisely that reason.

Additionally, a greater percentage of Canadians and British are happier with their health care system than are their American counterparts.

And do you know how many Americans - many of them elderly - who CANNOT AFFORD life-saving medicines in the U.S. go to Canadian pharmacies? What does that tell you?

And why has NO ONE FUCKING ADDRESSED the GOP's spendthriftiness-turned-fiscal-conservatism issue? Fucking amazingly hypocritical.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:44 am

7 Wishes wrote:Additionally, a greater percentage of Canadians and British are happier with their health care system than are their American counterparts.


That's because they don't have millions of inner-city slugs that refuse to work, complain about everything and have a sense of entitlement. Move them to Canada and Britain and they'll still have something to bitch about.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:49 am

7 Wishes wrote:Actually, many, many Americans who CANNOT AFFORD to have procedures done in the U.S. have them done in Canada for precisely that reason.

Additionally, a greater percentage of Canadians and British are happier with their health care system than are their American counterparts.

And do you know how many Americans - many of them elderly - who CANNOT AFFORD life-saving medicines in the U.S. go to Canadian pharmacies? What does that tell you?


Utter garbage. I lived in the greater Buffalo area for 26 years and TONS more Candians came to the U.S. for healthcare purposes than the other way around. It's not even close. Everyone might be covered, technically speaking, but when you have to wait several weeks or even months to have an important procedure performed, you'd come to America also. America has the best healthcare bar none. Problems exist but I'll take ours over anyone else's any day of the week.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:12 pm

Lula wrote:scott brown's win was not based on health care, MA has their "socialized" plan and he even voted for it. to oppose reform to the system is wrong. as far as not agreeing with "the bill," there isn't even an actual bill, just drafts of versions. to create competition is what a capitalistic society does.


Yeah Lula, it's going just swell up there! They know first hand the disaster that Universal health care is.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politi ... id=1240176
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Treasurer Tim Cahill ripped Gov. Deval Patrick and President Obama this morning for health care initiatives that the independent gubernatorial hopeful alleged will “bankrupt the country in four years.”

“Last week Gov. Patrick criticized me as ‘missing in action’ on the issue of health care in Massachusetts,” Cahill said. “In reality, I’ve been critical of Gov. Patrick’s implementation and management of the Massachusetts universal health care program for a long time.”

Cahill alleged the governor has “spent like we’re in a booming economy at a time when we’re experiencing the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.”

“If President Obama and the Democrats repeat the mistakes of the health insurance mandate on a national level, they will bankrupt this country within four years,” Cahill said. “It is time for the President and the Democratic leadership to go back to the drawing board and come up with a new plan that does not threaten to wipe out the American economy.”

Cahill’s call for a new plan resembled the statement made during US Sen. Scott Brown’s insurgent campaign.

But even as he called for knocking down barriers that exist statewide and nationally to allow for-profit plans to compete with non-profit insurers, Cahill was short on specifics. He did say expensive mandates that require all health insurance plans cover certain benefits in the Bay State should be “on the table.”

Cahill said he wants to “level the playing field” among medical service providers, like community hospitals and big city hospitals that receive disparate reimbursement from insurers. Yet Cahill did not offer his own health care plan as he called for Congress to go back to the drawing board on its health care overhaul, and did not spell out what he’d do as governor to solve the current health care crisis.

Standing in his state house office, Cahill insisted he was speaking as treasurer, not a candidate for governor. Cahill said he “firmly” believes that health care is a right.

“But as congress and President Obama prepare to ram though a government-run health care plan, they should heed the warnings about the way in which Gov. Patrick has managed the same model in Massachusetts,” Cahill, a former Democrat said.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:16 pm

BlackhawksFan, don't you think legislation that will, largely, pay for itself over the next decade is far less likely to NOT collapse the economy than, say, two foreign wars (one of them illegal, both of them never "on the books" until the far-more-honest Obama Administration decided that a trillion dollars a year in defecit spending SHOULD factor into the equation?

The NEJM poll is faulty and also out-dated. The AMA supports the healthcare overhaul bill, because they know - unlike those of you who get your "news" from Fox and the lying Chickenhawk Five - that a) Americans will wind up paying LESS...yes, that's right...LESS!!! per person on healthcare than they currently are, and b) because they know the system is broken.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/73249-ama-endorses-senate-health-bill

And still, NO ONE ADDRESSES THE ISSUE OF THE FUCKING GOP DEBT- AND DEFECIT- SPENDING via strongarming and reconciliation for the first six years of the Dubbya Administration. No one. I didn't fucking think so.

In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276 Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical care in the U.S. in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.

http://dsp-psd.communication.gc.ca/Collection/Statcan/82F0068X/about_e.pdf

To a much greater extent, Americans purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because prescription drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than prescription drug prices in the United States; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/170/6/945?etoc

Will this one finally get you all to STFU and stop cherry-picking factoids and lies?

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/33/38979719.pdf

NOTE THE FOLLOWING: Canadians will, on average...


* Have 1.6 years longer life expectancy than Americans;
* Have a 1.7% LOWER infant mortality rate than Americans;
* Have approximately the same number of physicians per 100,000 population and 1.9 more nurses than Americans;
* Per capita, expend $3,395 LESS PER CAPITA in healthcare than Americans (the U.S. by the way, has more than TWICE the average cost per capita than ANY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION IN THE WORLD);
* Have only 10.1% OF THE CANADIAN GDP SPENT ON THEIR HEALTHCARE, VERSUS 16.0% FOR AMERICANS;
* Accomplish ALL THIS with the government only investing 1% more of the annual government revenue on healthcare;
* And yet, still have 35% MORE OF THEIR HEALTHCARE COSTS PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT.

So, there you have it, Dave, and all you other dittohead / Furious Five tree-barkers. Enough already.

MORE AMERICANS go to Canada for healthcare than vise versa. Statistically, it's proven the Canadian system is better than the U.S. system.

So, STFU! Move along! YET ANOTHER issue the GOP is DEAD FUCKING WRONG on!
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Postby Saint John » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:23 pm

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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:45 pm

7 Wishes wrote:To a much greater extent, Americans purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because prescription drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than prescription drug prices in the United States; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.

Why do you think this is, dumbass?
Being here in Michigan so close to the boarder with Windsor, I have the answer.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:49 pm

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7 Wishes wrote:Actually, many, many Americans who CANNOT AFFORD to have procedures done in the U.S. have them done in Canada for precisely that reason.

Additionally, a greater percentage of Canadians and British are happier with their health care system than are their American counterparts.

And do you know how many Americans - many of them elderly - who CANNOT AFFORD life-saving medicines in the U.S. go to Canadian pharmacies? What does that tell you?


Utter garbage. I lived in the greater Buffalo area for 26 years and TONS more Candians came to the U.S. for healthcare purposes than the other way around. It's not even close. Everyone might be covered, technically speaking, but when you have to wait several weeks or even months to have an important procedure performed, you'd come to America also. America has the best healthcare bar none. Problems exist but I'll take ours over anyone else's any day of the week.


You are fucking blind, and dense.

The US may have the best Health Care, but the system is the worse.

I would rather have to wait two weeks to have surgery in Canada, than to not even have a chance for same surgery in the States.

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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:51 pm

RedWingFan wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:To a much greater extent, Americans purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because prescription drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than prescription drug prices in the United States; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.

Why do you think this is, dumbass?
Being here in Michigan so close to the boarder with Windsor, I have the answer.


Are you going to argue that Canada's drugs are inferior, or unsafe? LOL, please don't do that or I will have a stroke from continuance laughter. If you haven't looked yet, Canada is a first world nation as well, and everything up there is just as good as everything down here.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:53 pm

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7 Wishes wrote:Additionally, a greater percentage of Canadians and British are happier with their health care system than are their American counterparts.


That's because they don't have millions of inner-city slugs that refuse to work, complain about everything and have a sense of entitlement. Move them to Canada and Britain and they'll still have something to bitch about.


This is getting old Father Dan. Inner city slugs are everywhere, but guess what, they aren't all slugs. Many want to work, many do work, and many work where there is NO insurance available to them.

You need to really offer a new argument rather than the filthy inner city black Democrat smack.
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Postby Angel » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:55 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:To a much greater extent, Americans purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because prescription drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than prescription drug prices in the United States; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.

Why do you think this is, dumbass?
Being here in Michigan so close to the boarder with Windsor, I have the answer.


Are you going to argue that Canada's drugs are inferior, or unsafe? LOL, please don't do that or I will have a stroke from continuance laughter. If you haven't looked yet, Canada is a first world nation as well, and everything up there is just as good as everything down here.

You are right. It's just that we pay for all of the research done on these drugs-and research is not cheap!
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:02 pm

From Lie Finder's uncited source:



probably some right wing nutjob newspaper wrote:Nearly one-third of all practicing physicians may leave the medical profession if President Obama signs current versions of health-care reform legislation into law, according to a survey published in the latest issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

The survey, which was conducted by the Medicus Firm, a leading physician search and consulting firm based in Atlanta and Dallas, found that a majority of physicians said health-care reform would cause the quality of American medical care to “deteriorate” and it could be the “final straw” that sends a sizeable number of doctors out of medicine.




The answer? I read up on some stuff today and found that the Bill contains provisions for incentives to offer physicians loan forgiveness to stay a year or two in rural areas and areas needing doctors. Both parties are on board with this.

Also, not every patient will need a doctor. Hh? Yup. many things done in the office can be done by Physicians assistants or nurses, such as blood tests and simple diagnosis pertaining to preventative issues. Physicians would see the patients who have more needy situations than a patient needing a simple test. This plan would help either A) the workload of the doctor and B) the shortage of doctors. Now of course using nurses would require hiring even more nurses. How do you do that? Well, you coerce prospective nurses into schools by offering sweet deals such as low interest loans, and after graduation, some sort of loan forgiveness. You can also solve a shortage by going out of the US and poaching other nations with their graduated doctors. it can be done.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:10 pm

Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:To a much greater extent, Americans purchase prescription drugs from Canada, either over the Internet or by traveling there to buy them in person, because prescription drug prices in Canada are substantially lower than prescription drug prices in the United States; this cross-border purchasing has been estimated at $1 billion annually.

Why do you think this is, dumbass?
Being here in Michigan so close to the boarder with Windsor, I have the answer.


Are you going to argue that Canada's drugs are inferior, or unsafe? LOL, please don't do that or I will have a stroke from continuance laughter. If you haven't looked yet, Canada is a first world nation as well, and everything up there is just as good as everything down here.

You are right. It's just that we pay for all of the research done on these drugs-and research is not cheap!

Exactly. The evil drug companies here do the research and development. The patent's they get for these drugs from the government after winning the right to sell them doesn't apply to Canada. They feed off of the evil drug companies by offering knock off generic drugs.
Rockindeano wrote:If you haven't looked yet, Canada is a first world nation as well, and everything up there is just as good as everything down here.

Yeah? If China or North Korea decide to get all hoppy, you have Canada's pittance of a military cover your ass, I'll take ours.
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