Top 10 Bands That Should Be in the RRHoF - Journey

[maverick218]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Jer, are you being sarcastic? Are you saying Chicago shouldn't be in? Sorry, had about a dozen too many percocets.

Thanks in advance

He Dean, I know you're probably gonna tell me to fuck off, but be careful of the pills. If you have a dozen too many, tolerance is being built. I have an uncle all fucked up because of those innocent little pills that he could finally take about 100 of.

Fuck off.

I know all about the tolerance dude. Been taking them for years. I joke here. I don't do it to get high. I really have bad knees..bone on bone in both, torn ligaments in both; torn meniscus in both; removed cartilage in both. ACL repair in left; it really is a necessity. Thanks for the genuine concern though and the advice, I appreciate that Steve.

Once I have been off of them for a week or two, then the tolerance is all but gone, and taking less rather than more is effective. However, you do need to take more like you said when the inevitable tolerance builds up. It's a real problem for me, because a person needs to walk, be active and live a normal life to keep the weight off and keep in semi decent shape. I was 290lbs 2 years ago. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Went on diabetic medication, ate right and started exercising. This year in January, right before surgery #1, I was at 238. Now since I have been off work for 50 days, I am back up to 255. I have 3 weeks to go to I can hopefully return to work. If I can walk, I can lose it all again pretty easy; however, I have to be able to walk. Right now, I am lame, to put it bluntly. While off work, I have become lazy and have not eaten well, hence the weight gain.

Thanks again Stevie.

Fuck off.

Dean,
I feel for you man- I've had knee problems since high school, but not as bad as yours. Hang in there.

[Rockindeano]

Thanks Mav. Yeah, it's tough, because you absolutely have to have knees to function. It just seems impossible at the moment. I have to take a shitload of percocets just to walk, and when I do, I feel NO pain at all; in fact I feel golden, until they wear off, then it's back to misery.

[Jana]

Thanks Mav. Yeah, it's tough, because you absolutely have to have knees to function. It just seems impossible at the moment. I have to take a shitload of percocets just to walk, and when I do, I feel NO pain at all; in fact I feel golden, until they wear off, then it's back to misery.

sorry to hear that, deano. It's hell to be in pain like that.

[Ehwmatt]

Thanks Mav. Yeah, it's tough, because you absolutely have to have knees to function. It just seems impossible at the moment. I have to take a shitload of percocets just to walk, and when I do, I feel NO pain at all; in fact I feel golden, until they wear off, then it's back to misery.

You best heal up or you ain't gonna stop my drives to the basket.

[Rockindeano]

Thanks Mav. Yeah, it's tough, because you absolutely have to have knees to function. It just seems impossible at the moment. I have to take a shitload of percocets just to walk, and when I do, I feel NO pain at all; in fact I feel golden, until they wear off, then it's back to misery.

You best heal up or you ain't gonna stop my drives to the basket.

I can still reject your sorry ass without leaving the ground, and besides, after a handful of Percs, and a real competitive drive, I would totally suck it up and play hurt back there against you Choads. Time to hurt later, right?

[Ehwmatt]

Thanks Mav. Yeah, it's tough, because you absolutely have to have knees to function. It just seems impossible at the moment. I have to take a shitload of percocets just to walk, and when I do, I feel NO pain at all; in fact I feel golden, until they wear off, then it's back to misery.

You best heal up or you ain't gonna stop my drives to the basket.

I can still reject your sorry ass without leaving the ground, and besides, after a handful of Percs, and a real competitive drive, I would totally suck it up and play hurt back there against you Choads. Time to hurt later, right?

We'll have to see someday (hopefully soon)

[Rockindeano]

Thanks Mav. Yeah, it's tough, because you absolutely have to have knees to function. It just seems impossible at the moment. I have to take a shitload of percocets just to walk, and when I do, I feel NO pain at all; in fact I feel golden, until they wear off, then it's back to misery.

You best heal up or you ain't gonna stop my drives to the basket.

I can still reject your sorry ass without leaving the ground, and besides, after a handful of Percs, and a real competitive drive, I would totally suck it up and play hurt back there against you Choads. Time to hurt later, right?

We'll have to see someday (hopefully soon)

I swear to shit, I couldn't sit there and watch. I would do whatever it took to play. I hate to watch.

[Tomulator]

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I can answer this for you Tom.

But first I would have to ask these of you:

Is the ACL completely severed? 100% severed?
How long has it been severed?
How old is the patient?
How active(sports, etc) is the patient?
Does it give out all the time?

I had my ACL repaired. Back in 1996, it was done like this: They cut some of my Patella tendon out, and used it as as the replacement ligament. A tendon over time turns into a ligament. They used two titanium screws ($400 apiece). The doctor did a fine job, and I just saw pictures of it from last month's knee surgery, and it is still intact. The reason I elected to repair it was I play a lot of sports, and without the ACL, you just have a mushy knee, and NO stability. If I didn't play sports, I wouldn't have done it. After awhile, when the irritation has died down, and the swelling has subsided form the ACL inhury, one can walk fine, usually without pain. Sure, someday's will be better and worse than others, but by and large, if you don't play sports, you don't need to have it repaired.

As for knee braces, I am conflicted on them. I wore one in high school for basketball, after I partially tore my medial collateral ligament(inner side of the knee), and it still managed to tear and rip, even with the brace on. I found that the brace did two things however. 1) it provided some structure, but mostly it kept the knee nice and warm, hot. That made it very pliable and it felt good. I seemed to have better range of motion with it on; 2) it provided a psychological crutch. I am a firm believer that psychology is a BIg factor here. I was always "wondering" when the next time would be, when it would go again. I was afraid to jump at all, because in the bacl of my mind, I remembered that frightening feel and sound when the ligament pops. So here I am playing basketball in college, scared shitless and afraid to jump. I still to this day am afraid to jump, for fear of coming down on someone's foot and snapping the knee.

Today's doctors are so good, and the procedure is so much easier now, that it makes for an easier decision. If I was say between 20 and 45, I would do it, no question; because no one can predict the future, I would hate to see your relative really struggle in his laye 70's and 80's with a cane and unstable knee. If he gets it done, it will hold forever.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask Tommy.[/quote]

Thx man! He gets his MRI to assess the complete damage done but, initial diagnosis is ACL tear...not sure how much yet. He is 50 y/o, plays limited "full-go" sports but, likes to golf, jog, hike, swim, etc. Just normal stuff really.

How bad was your rehab after surgery if you don't mind me asking?[/quote]

Back in '96, it was I imagine a bit different. I remember waking up in the hospital and my leg/knee was in a continuum motion machine. What it was doing was bending and straightening my leg/knee for me, constantly. They wanted blood flow to the area, and not stiffness.

As for rehab, I went at it hard. I was in pretty good shape then, 6'3" 220. I had to wait two weeks to begin any kind of leg workouts. Workouts are different that exercises. They have doing these light bed oriented exercises the day after surgery now. Anyway, I was riding the bike at two weeks, regaining my lost cardio, and putting some real heat into the knee. I believe I was playing golf a month out of surgery, and was doing the treadmill pretty good at a month out also.

Now you're friend is 50. I assume he isn't strapping on pads and playing 60 minutes of ice hockey or 48 minutes of full court basketball. If he is a golfer, or perhaps a beer league softballer, he'll have no problems doing those two activities. Again Tom, my biggest obstacle, aside from pain, man pain never leaves me, was and is psychological. Don't tell you're friend I am telling you this part. I don't want to plant a seed in his mind needlessly. Hopefully, he won't think twice about it, and won't have that mental block like I do. I was going to ask how he tore it? See, my initial tear was playing basketball, and that was a 20% tear to the medial collateral ligament. What happened next was horrible. Playing hockey, the blade of my skate got caught in a rut in the ice, and my leg twisted all the way around. Other players heard it pop, and they just stopped playing..that is unheard of in hockey. it was pretty bad, and to this day, I still remember it vividly. I hear it too. It haunts me all the time. When I see an athlete on tv go down, I can't watch the replay, that's how bad knee injuries hurt. Hopefully your bud didn't have a graphic episode, and he can get going again quickly.

Keep asking Tom, I'll do my best to answer for you.[/quote]

Thx a ton Dean! He got hurt...playing basketball no less! Cut to the hoop and got his knee taken out from him. Interestingly, he told me it didn't hurt as much as he thought it would.

He loves to golf, play softball, etc. but, not alot of stuff rougher than that. He's a tough SOB and I suspect he'll opt for the surgery at some point...just knowing him.

I won't tell him of the mental anguish associated with your experience...man, that sounds like hell. At least you're still breathing!