Yes We Can ! ;)

[Rockindeano]

This makes almost zero sense. Education is free and opportunity is abundant in this great nation. The overwhelming majority of those with no health insurance simply sit on their asses, collect their government checks in their government housing and now have health care also ... all on the dime "of hard working people who work their hands to the BONE." Your argument is actually against the bill.

Free education is made available by.....the Government. I thought you just said "governments job was to protect the people and their rights?"

[Angel]

I never implied that the reason for this broken system is so the workers get richer. Whos making assumptions now ???

Then explain this....

Or are you suggesting that because of medicare and medicaid, you dont get as much money from people as you would from Anthem , and it bothers you that you cant get more money from already drained patients?

I also know many in the medical field in our smal town here,,, 3 of my co-workers have their spouse working at the hospital,,,and each and every one of them say they pay about $25 a month for the ENTIRE family,,, PLUS anytime they have any surgeries etc,,, they insurance pays the 80% and the hospital WRITES OFF the 20% co-pay,,,, thats the kinda shit goin on that needs to be looked into,,,,, Sure, working at a hospital YOU should get some kind of benefit,
but the system itself is full of corruption, MAINLY because of the agreements between what the provider can charge and what the insurance is willing to pay , and how they both laugh when they stick it in the ass of the patient in need of care......

I can assure you, the providers are not "laughing when they stick it in the ass of the patient in need of care." Come work with me for a day and see how I struggle every day to help cut costs to my patients, regardless of how much money the practice loses. I know the cheapest place in town to get nearly any lab test done and I freely tell my patients that it's more expensive here or there and let them decide where to go-I often send my patients to other practices to get things done that can be done in my office but they cost more there.

I am happy for your co-workers, it sounds like they have the best healthcare plan I've ever heard of-I can assure you it's not that way everywhere. I have worked at four different healthcare facilities and there was one time, at one facility that for about six months they offered care at that facility at no cost to the employees who had the hospital's insurance. As far as $25 premiums-I've NEVER heard of that-and I have paid FAR more than that for my health insurance my entire career.

[Jana]

I say we pick another war with a country we have no business being in, watch our kids die for no reason and spend trillions upon trillions on it to the point of suicide. This healthcare reform is a great stride for future generations such as myself and my children. Good for the U.S for having balls and actually stepping up for the American people.

It's a comforting feeling to know that millions upon millions of hard working people who work their hands to the BONE will sleep tight tonight since they can now make that devastating decision on whether to buy groceries, or to take care of their sick suffering child with Leukemia a little easier.

This makes almost zero sense. Education is free and opportunity is abundant in this great nation. The overwhelming majority of those with no health insurance simply sit on their asses, collect their government checks in their government housing and now have health care also ... all on the dime "of hard working people who work their hands to the BONE." Your argument is actually against the bill.

nope. the folks collecting government checks get health care as well. we're talking about the working class finally getting a break.

exactly.

[Michigan Girl]

Education is provided BY US ...by the people for the people!!

[YoungJRNY]

I say we pick another war with a country we have no business being in, watch our kids die for no reason and spend trillions upon trillions on it to the point of suicide. This healthcare reform is a great stride for future generations such as myself and my children. Good for the U.S for having balls and actually stepping up for the American people.

Let's make sure you get this statement right. Good for the Democrats for having the balls and stepping up to help the American people. There wasn't a single fucking republican voting for this bill, not one.

Politics are so damn evil. Provides nothing but separation within the states. The U.S is dysfunctional because of it and the selfishness of people ring true. Easy for us or anyone with high paying jobs or people who were supported to go to college to say or be angry with the costs, but all you got to do is take a swing around the country and realize people are starving to make a buck. What about the person who didn't come from a stable home? What about the person who never could afford student loans because they were apart of a family that simply didn't have the privilege of never being offered help to afford certain privileges like school or college because of incomes that stem off of bad credit?

These are same people, working in the rigorous working environments, and working the same amount of hours as someone comfortable in their cubicle, but yet still can't afford their health care or home to support their family. Of course people "sham" the system, as does many higher ups that pay middle class and labor workers pennies to their dollar and profit from the rest to their own benefit on Wall Street. It's just a messed up system this United States, but this has to bring a smile to your face knowing we did something we've been longing to do for decades and THAT'S special.

[Behshad]

So its like you hire a baby sitter and tell her,,, hey, youre in charge of protecting my kid,,, but you cant touch her, touch her food, touch her daiper or touch anything that has anything to do with her comfort..... Get the fuck out of this thread,,, you do a better job at your anti-phyl stuff,,,,

It's impossible to comment on something that makes so much sense

Thank you !


How do you expect the government to protect us, if you say they fuck up anything they touch? Thats really rational, isnt it !?

[Behshad]

I never implied that the reason for this broken system is so the workers get richer. Whos making assumptions now ???

Then explain this....

Or are you suggesting that because of medicare and medicaid, you dont get as much money from people as you would from Anthem , and it bothers you that you cant get more money from already drained patients?

I also know many in the medical field in our smal town here,,, 3 of my co-workers have their spouse working at the hospital,,,and each and every one of them say they pay about $25 a month for the ENTIRE family,,, PLUS anytime they have any surgeries etc,,, they insurance pays the 80% and the hospital WRITES OFF the 20% co-pay,,,, thats the kinda shit goin on that needs to be looked into,,,,, Sure, working at a hospital YOU should get some kind of benefit,
but the system itself is full of corruption, MAINLY because of the agreements between what the provider can charge and what the insurance is willing to pay , and how they both laugh when they stick it in the ass of the patient in need of care......

I can assure you, the providers are not "laughing when they stick it in the ass of the patient in need of care." Come work with me for a day and see how I struggle every day to help cut costs to my patients, regardless of how much money the practice loses. I know the cheapest place in town to get nearly any lab test done and I freely tell my patients that it's more expensive here or there and let them decide where to go-I often send my patients to other practices to get things done that can be done in my office but they cost more there.

I am happy for your co-workers, it sounds like they have the best healthcare plan I've ever heard of-I can assure you it's not that way everywhere. I have worked at four different healthcare facilities and there was one time, at one facility that for about six months they offered care at that facility at no cost to the employees who had the hospital's insurance. As far as $25 premiums-I've NEVER heard of that-and I have paid FAR more than that for my health insurance my entire career.

Youre not the provider,, youre the worker,, the middle person,,, you get shafted to in a different way. But in no way are you in charge of cutting any costs that will reflect on the patients premiums, are you !??

Im talking about the big shots that will work around the programs and make these huge bills to make sure the insurance companies have the rights to raise premiums and charge people more,,,,

[SherriBerry]

No system is perfect, but I find it odd that so many on here seem to be more upset over a healthcare system that helps more of their fellow Americans than the fact that before this bill, the only people who were guaranteed medical care under the law were criminals in prison. Universal healthcare isn't medical welfare - it's about caring enough for your fellow countrymen that you have their backs and look out for one another.

It's easy to make proclamations about self-sufficiency until you find yourself on the other side of the fence and realize how easy it is to become one of the horror stories. No one should have to die or be forced into poverty because they cannot afford healthcare. I may not have quick access to the most cutting edge healthcare in the world, but when I needed surgery I got it. There will always be those who abuse the system, but that isn't an excuse for putting lives in the hands of the cutthroat corporate profit mongerers who run insurance companies - if they weren't working in that industry, they would be on Wall Street taking millions in bonuses for nearly collapsing the global economy.

[Saint John]

This makes almost zero sense. Education is free and opportunity is abundant in this great nation. The overwhelming majority of those with no health insurance simply sit on their asses, collect their government checks in their government housing and now have health care also ... all on the dime "of hard working people who work their hands to the BONE." Your argument is actually against the bill.

Free education is made available by.....the Government. I thought you just said "governments job was to protect the people and their rights?"

I've long been against free education ... but it's there (Why should I have to pay for other peoples' kids to fuck around for 12 years and ultimately join a gang?). But I can live with it being free. Anyway, there's simply no excuse not to get a good education, a good job, save and be self-sufficient with your free education. These fuckers with no health insurance are, by and large, fucking lazy. Period. And now I have to pay for their insurance. Typical democrats. Take from those that work hard and give it to those that don't. It's unfair just like Affirmative Action (which is actually racist!), other quotas, preposterous taxes on the rich and every other measure aimed at securing the votes of the inner city maggots that are multiplying at a dizzying rate. Listen, and listen well ... take any inner city trash hole ... be it LA, Detroit, Oakland, NY, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Philly, etc and you get a great glimpse of the democratic base ... filthy, uneducated, government dependent, crime-ridden, gang infested shit holes. That's your party, pal. Then grab a map and look at the land-owning red ... which basically comprises the rest of America. You know, the independent, civilized part.

[Angel]

Youre not the provider,, youre the worker,, the middle person,,, you get shafted to in a different way. But in no way are you in charge of cutting any costs that will reflect on the patients premiums, are you !??

You're wrong again. I AM the provider. I order tests, I prescribe meds and I am very much in charge of cutting costs to my patients.

Im talking about the big shots that will work around the programs and make these huge bills to make sure the insurance companies have the rights to raise premiums and charge people more,,,,

I have no idea what you are even talking about here.

[S2M]

Does this bill cover mental illness as well? Like for some certain individual who thinks his QB is teflon, and his team actually (meaning in reality) won their last 2 Superbowls.....

[Behshad]

Youre not the provider,, youre the worker,, the middle person,,, you get shafted to in a different way. But in no way are you in charge of cutting any costs that will reflect on the patients premiums, are you !??

You're wrong again. I AM the provider. I order tests, I prescribe meds and I am very much in charge of cutting costs to my patients.

Im talking about the big shots that will work around the programs and make these huge bills to make sure the insurance companies have the rights to raise premiums and charge people more,,,,

I have no idea what you are even talking about here.

YOU dont affect the premiums that the insurance company will charge the patients.... Thats my point,,,,

and the big shots Im talking about are those ABOVE you,, way above you , making all the decisions.....

[Angel]

YOU dont affect the premiums that the insurance company will charge the patients.... Thats my point,,,,

and the big shots Im talking about are those ABOVE you,, way above you , making all the decisions.....

B, you lack of knowledge is making it impossible for me to continue this discussion with you.

[Saint John]

So its like you hire a baby sitter and tell her,,, hey, youre in charge of protecting my kid,,, but you cant touch her, touch her food, touch her daiper or touch anything that has anything to do with her comfort..... Get the fuck out of this thread,,, you do a better job at your anti-phyl stuff,,,,

It's impossible to comment on something that makes so much sense

Thank you !


How do you expect the government to protect us, if you say they fuck up anything they touch? Thats really rational, isnt it !?

Again, you're comparing apples to basketballs. You're so far off on a tangent that replying after trying to make sense of your statement is futile.

[Behshad]

YOU dont affect the premiums that the insurance company will charge the patients.... Thats my point,,,,

and the big shots Im talking about are those ABOVE you,, way above you , making all the decisions.....

B, you lack of knowledge is making it impossible for me to continue this discussion with you.

Oh, My apologies,, I guess I am very uneducated to realize that one midwife in Timbukto , runs everything in the hospital, from the moment they register, wait, give birth, name the kids and carry out the kid to the car...... Guess our hospitals here are a bit different,,, cause the midwife is a midwife , assisting at the birth,, while there are people in the administration that are in charge of the billing and filing with insurance companies,,,,,,
Now I know you are WAY underpaid for doing 4 peoples jobs and getting paid for ONE ....

[Behshad]

So its like you hire a baby sitter and tell her,,, hey, youre in charge of protecting my kid,,, but you cant touch her, touch her food, touch her daiper or touch anything that has anything to do with her comfort..... Get the fuck out of this thread,,, you do a better job at your anti-phyl stuff,,,,

It's impossible to comment on something that makes so much sense

Thank you !


How do you expect the government to protect us, if you say they fuck up anything they touch? Thats really rational, isnt it !?

Again, you're comparing apples to basketballs. You're so far off on a tangent that replying after trying to make sense of your statement is futile.

in plain and simple ENGLISH..... how is the government supposed to protect you , if you at the same breath accuse them of fucking things they touch ? Youre the one who's not making any sense,,,,,

[Angel]

No, you just have no idea what midwives do. And no, I don't decide what is charged by the hospital,but, it is my responsibility to know what the costs are not only for the hospital stay but for the procedures done in the office as well and then educate the patients on the most cost effective way to get the very best care possible.

If I had my own practice and my own birth center (which in case you are wondering is in my future) then YES, I would be the one making those decisions.

See, you learn something new every day-now, what else would you like to know about CNMs?

[Behshad]

No, you just have no idea what midwives do. And no, I don't decide what is charged by the hospital,but, it is my responsibility to know what the costs are not only for the hospital stay but for the procedures done in the office as well and then educate the patients on the most cost effective way to get the very best care possible.

If I had my own practice and my own birth center (which in case you are wondering is in my future) then YES, I would be the one making those decisions.

See, you learn something new every day-now, what else would you like to know about CNMs?

Knowing what the costs are , isnt really helping cut the hefty premiums down . Your job is important and will not be affected by the new bill, so I dont see what your complaint(s) are. Wouldnt it be better for everyone to be able to AFFORD healthcare??

[Saint John]

in plain and simple ENGLISH..... how is the government supposed to protect you , if you at the same breath accuse them of fucking things they touch ? Youre the one who's not making any sense,,,,,

They do a good job at providing security and protecting the rights of the people, but when they get their hands on $$$ for virtually anything else there's always too much bureaucracy, too many hands in the cookie jar and too much corruptness. Social Security and Medicare are 2 perfect examples of exactly how this, too, will ultimately fail.

[Jana]

" Posted by wolfman445
51-55 year old member
262 experience groups and 80 stories
My wife worked at several major health insurers as a claim approval nurse...she refuses to do it further.....because their entire plan to make a profit is to take in premiums from people, pay as few claims as possible, and keep at least 30% of the money. To facilitate this the companies drop sick people, refuse dying people care and make up crazy reasons to deny care to the rest....her supervisor wore a t-shirt saying "born to deny".
Now she is the chief of a State program which serves the indigent...and sees the total cost of care for everyone. Every sick person is treated but the poor get their care at ER rates which are astronomical....and end up really sick in some cases and burdening the States for years.

The collection of idiots, morons, civil war re-enactors, medicare recipients and the millionaires who are telling them what to yell, are defending a system that is so bad that many people like my wife refuse to participate. Adding a federal insurance pool would drive down the costs for everyones plan, for simple economic reasons.

Our medical science is good....our medical care driven by our for profit insurance plans is atrocious.....if you don't believe what some polititians say, I understand, but at least believe what the people who actually operate the current system say....if you wish to pay in a dollar and get 65 cents back, go to Vegas , at least you will have some fun.....don't do it with the current health insurance system. If everyone were covered by an insurance plan State programs would actually cost little or nothing, hospitals could stop charging 65 dollars for an asprin and the kid with a cold who is in the ER ahead of you could go to a health clinic instead.

So protesters please go back to whatever takes up halfwit's time and let the rest of us have more health insurance for less money."

Better healthcare for all is better for our country. If it means our government has to do it, then so be it.

+10000. The nail has been hit directly on the head, enuf said.

Listen to Annpea. She works in the healthcare industy. she also said this in reply to another post:

I, work in the healthcare field and yes it is very much broken... It would scare you silly if you only knew half the truth... stop talking and start looking just a little deeper beyond what you've been conditioned to believe

[Behshad]

in plain and simple ENGLISH..... how is the government supposed to protect you , if you at the same breath accuse them of fucking things they touch ? Youre the one who's not making any sense,,,,,

They do a good job at providing security and protecting the rights of the people, but when they get their hands on $$$ for virtually anything else there's always too much bureaucracy, too many hands in the cookie jar and too much corruptness. Social Security and Medicare are 2 perfect examples of exactly how this, too, will ultimately fail.

But when they had their hand in that jar , taking out the $$$ to waste in Iraq, you didnt care,,,,, but if its for a good cause, then it bothers you ?

Besides, you said , either way, youre not gonna get affected by this , so you shouldnt have to worry , right ?:)

[Angel]

Knowing what the costs are , isnt really helping cut the hefty premiums down . Your job is important and will not be affected by the new bill, so I dont see what your complaint(s) are. Wouldnt it be better for everyone to be able to AFFORD healthcare??

OH......MY.......HELL!!! I give up...seriously, you have NO idea what you are talking about. You have NO idea...none whatsoever!!!!!!

[Rockindeano]

Listen, and listen well ... take any inner city trash hole ... be it LA, Detroit, Oakland, NY, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Philly, etc and you get a great glimpse of the democratic base ... filthy, uneducated, government dependent, crime-ridden, gang infested shit holes. That's your party, pal. Then grab a map and look at the land-owning red ... which basically comprises the rest of America. You know, the independent, civilized part.

Really? I would like to think that the Dems take the good with the bad. Remember that last election, where Obama won handily? Yeah, I seem to remember in addition to those cesspool shitholes, the good people of Iowa going blue, as did the Rust Belt folks of Indiana. Hell, North Carolina, Virginia and Florida all went blue. Hmm, come to think of it, Hawaii of all places went blue as did New Mexico, California, Oregon and Washington. Actually, if my memory serves me right, and it does, even a small square piece of Nebraska voted Democrat.

Kind of puts a hole in your theory doesn't it?

Owned

Ps- I know I am being a smart ass, but not all Democratic voters are black, beaner, lazy and gangsta.

[Behshad]

Knowing what the costs are , isnt really helping cut the hefty premiums down . Your job is important and will not be affected by the new bill, so I dont see what your complaint(s) are. Wouldnt it be better for everyone to be able to AFFORD healthcare??

OH......MY.......HELL!!! I give up...seriously, you have NO idea what you are talking about. You have NO idea...none whatsoever!!!!!!

Yeah and you do .
Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
Now since you gave up, I guess I dont have to spend any more time on trying to educate you. Bottom line is, This bill is here to stay , and it will, in the long run benefit THE PEOPLE. Mark my words!

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
!

Ive seen both sides too, and Ive seen it fail in several countries

[SusieP]

I know nothing about Democrat and Republican policies.....so taking the party political preferences out of this, can I ask Deano & Lula their thoughts on this new Bill whjch has been passed?
I single out you two in particular because I know you have had lots of dealings lately with health and hospitals etc etc - so I assume you had health insurance, but did it always pay out when you needed it? Or did the Insurance company wriggle out of paying [as Insurance companies usually do]

I get what StJohn says about people without insurance are usually lazy asses etc.......... but surely not everybody who cannot pay for their treatment is a lazy ass scrounger?

So shouldn't this Bill help everyone because Insurance companies will not always pay out even if you are a hard working person with Insurance?

So isn't it a good thing??

[Saint John]

in plain and simple ENGLISH..... how is the government supposed to protect you , if you at the same breath accuse them of fucking things they touch ? Youre the one who's not making any sense,,,,,

They do a good job at providing security and protecting the rights of the people, but when they get their hands on $$$ for virtually anything else there's always too much bureaucracy, too many hands in the cookie jar and too much corruptness. Social Security and Medicare are 2 perfect examples of exactly how this, too, will ultimately fail.

But when they had their hand in that jar , taking out the $$$ to waste in Iraq, you didnt care,,,,, but if its for a good cause, then it bothers you ?

Besides, you said , either way, youre not gonna get affected by this , so you shouldnt have to worry , right ?:)

I'll be impacted minimally and have enough time to adjust my lifestyle accordingly, but that doesn't make it right. And I think the war in Iraq has been an overall success. We toppled a muderous dictator, moved the war to a neutral foreign soil and have fighters pouring into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight our soldiers rather than over our borders (which would have been easy ... just ask any one of 15 to 20 million illegals in this country.) to kill our civilians. It's impossible to ever know, but I think the war saved a lot more lives than doing nothing would have. We saw, through Bill Clinton's indifference toward Al Qaeda, what a man playing with rifles and training soldiers in the desert could do. Imagine what an aging dictator with billions of dollars and an entire nation behind him might have been capable of. But I'm sure you'll come back with some bullshit plausible deniability claim. Imagine the fury of the world had we gone into Yemen, Sudan or Afghanistan and wasted Bin Laden pre-9/11? That's what makes me not give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks.

[JasonD]

I get paid every 2 weeks & my employer takes $30 out of my check per pay. I pay a $15 co-pay for a routine doctor office visits & $15 for prescriptions if I buy generic. I hafta stay In Network, but luckily that's easy for me to do (so far) b/c I've never needed any services that would take me out of Network. I'm thinking I got a pretty good medical plan right now, but reading this thread has me wondering how that's gonna change.

[Angel]

Yeah and you do .
Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
Now since you gave up, I guess I dont have to spend any more time on trying to educate you. Bottom line is, This bill is here to stay , and it will, in the long run benefit THE PEOPLE. Mark my words!

Well, the one place you haven't been is in the role of the healthcare provider. I also think you are confusing healthcare "coverage" with healthcare "payment." Yes, healthcare will be covered but it will not be paid for. The result is that the nation with the best healthcare in the world will rapidly decline. Skilled healthcare providers will no longer be in control of the care they provide-the government will and as I've already pointed out-that's a joke.

[SusieP]

Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
!

Ive seen both sides too, and Ive seen it fail in several countries

Our system [the National Health Service or NHS] is in a mess - but mainly because there are far too many people employed in management positions on HUGE Salaries and who do very little in return. They are taking a lot of the money which goes into the system.
If there were fewer of them and more people who actually do the procedures and admin work maybe it would be better.

However, if I have ever needed treatment, I have always received an efficient service.

I have seen some instances where it could have been run better, but on the whole it has served me and my family well.