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Postby Jana » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:42 am

SusieP wrote:I know nothing about Democrat and Republican policies.....so taking the party political preferences out of this, can I ask Deano & Lula their thoughts on this new Bill whjch has been passed?
I single out you two in particular because I know you have had lots of dealings lately with health and hospitals etc etc - so I assume you had health insurance, but did it always pay out when you needed it? Or did the Insurance company wriggle out of paying [as Insurance companies usually do]

I get what StJohn says about people without insurance are usually lazy asses etc.......... but surely not everybody who cannot pay for their treatment is a lazy ass scrounger?

So shouldn't this Bill help everyone because Insurance companies will not always pay out even if you are a hard working person with Insurance?

So isn't it a good thing??


it's a good thing b/c the middle class is being knocked out of being able to afford health care anymore with the skyrocketing rates year after year, unless their employer provides it, and with so many people losing their jobs these days it is affecting middle America having health insurance for themselves and their family, and this plan will enable them to obtain insurance (pay for it) that Congress has, affordable insurance, if they so chose to do, or keep the insurance they have or companies offer. Insurance companies are wiggling out of a lot of stuff these days, but it depends on the insurance company you are with also and the type if coverage you are able to afford.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:44 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: Listen, and listen well ... take any inner city trash hole ... be it LA, Detroit, Oakland, NY, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, Philly, etc and you get a great glimpse of the democratic base ... filthy, uneducated, government dependent, crime-ridden, gang infested shit holes. That's your party, pal. Then grab a map and look at the land-owning red ... which basically comprises the rest of America. You know, the independent, civilized part.


Really? I would like to think that the Dems take the good with the bad. Remember that last election, where Obama won handily? Yeah, I seem to remember in addition to those cesspool shitholes, the good people of Iowa going blue, as did the Rust Belt folks of Indiana. Hell, North Carolina, Virginia and Florida all went blue. Hmm, come to think of it, Hawaii of all places went blue as did New Mexico, California, Oregon and Washington. Actually, if my memory serves me right, and it does, even a small square piece of Nebraska voted Democrat.

Kind of puts a hole in your theory doesn't it?

Owned

Ps- I know I am being a smart ass, but not all Democratic voters are black, beaner, lazy and gangsta.


Take a look at an electoral map on a county by county basis and virtually the entire thing is red ... except where people live in the gang-infested, crime-ridden, concrete jungles.

Here ... does the color of the map reflect the landslide outcome? Or perhaps the election was carried by that inner-city trash I keep referring to!

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Postby SusieP » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:45 am

Jana wrote:
SusieP wrote:I know nothing about Democrat and Republican policies.....so taking the party political preferences out of this, can I ask Deano & Lula their thoughts on this new Bill whjch has been passed?
I single out you two in particular because I know you have had lots of dealings lately with health and hospitals etc etc - so I assume you had health insurance, but did it always pay out when you needed it? Or did the Insurance company wriggle out of paying [as Insurance companies usually do]

I get what StJohn says about people without insurance are usually lazy asses etc.......... but surely not everybody who cannot pay for their treatment is a lazy ass scrounger?

So shouldn't this Bill help everyone because Insurance companies will not always pay out even if you are a hard working person with Insurance?

So isn't it a good thing??


it's a good thing b/c the middle class is being knocked out of being able to afford health care anymore with the skyrocketing rates year after year, unless their employer provides it, and with so many people losing their jobs these days it is affecting middle America having health insurance for themselves and their family, and this plan will enable them to obtain insurance (pay for it) that Congress has, affordable insurance, if they so chose to do, or keep the insurance they have or companies offer. Insurance companies are wiggling out of a lot of stuff these days, but it depends on the insurance company you are with also and the type if coverage you are able to afford.



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Postby SusieP » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:47 am

StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

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Postby Behshad » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:51 am

SusieP wrote:StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

:)


he's a male pole dancer :)
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Postby Saint John » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:53 am

Behshad wrote:
SusieP wrote:StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

:)


he's a male pole dancer :)


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Postby Angel » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:54 am

Behshad wrote:
SusieP wrote:StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

:)


he's a male pole dancer :)

Well that explains the rivarly between him and JasonD
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Postby SusieP » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:57 am

Saint John wrote:
Behshad wrote:
SusieP wrote:StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

:)


he's a male pole dancer :)


:evil: :lol: ... Operations Manager at a company that recycles, buys and sells stainless steel and hi-temp alloys.



It would have to be a bloody tall pole!

:shock:



Thanks. Just wondered.
So you will have a really good health insurance plan, then.

Would it pay for treatment if you were ill from alcohol poisoning?
I never did confiscate your beer stash, did I? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Jana » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:58 am

Angel wrote:
Behshad wrote:
SusieP wrote:StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

:)


he's a male pole dancer :)

Well that explains the rivarly between him and JasonD


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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:23 am

Behshad wrote:
SusieP wrote:StJohn,
not that it's really relevant - I'm just curious - what line of work are you in?
No hidden agenda, I'm just being nosey.

:)


he's a pole smoker :)


Fixed that for you, good sir. :D
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:24 am

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Behshad wrote:Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
!


Ive seen both sides too, and Ive seen it fail in several countries

Yes ...where exactly does this work ...besides parfaitland?!?! :?
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Postby S2M » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:42 am

And where does it say about me not qualifying for healthcare, yet am required to foot the bill for every Jose, Cho Ping, and Rosita? Fuck this shit.
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Postby parfait » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:44 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
Behshad wrote:Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
!


Ive seen both sides too, and Ive seen it fail in several countries

Yes ...where exactly does this work ...besides parfaitland?!?! :?


France got one of the worlds best health care systems, but the only problem is that it's way too expensive in the long run. People that [i][can/i] pay, should pay some, but it's inhuman to not offer medical care to the ones who can't pay - simple as that.

There's a golden middle road that one's gotta take.

Some of you should seriously stop whining though. You're saying that you won't pay out a small tax fee for someone who can't afford it? That's fucking shameful! I'm a god damn student, but I still gladly pay my taxes, why? Cause I know someone who can't manage a job, for whatever reason, needs the money more than me.
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Postby Lula » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:44 am

and this is bad how, ff? i get that many of you don't like the bill, i wanted more but..... tell me what should happen.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:45 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:And where does it say about me not qualifying for healthcare, yet am required to foot the bill for every Jose, Cho Ping, and Rosita? Fuck this shit.


LOL! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Lula » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:48 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:And where does it say about me not qualifying for healthcare, yet am required to foot the bill for every Jose, Cho Ping, and Rosita? Fuck this shit.


you already foot the bill if you pay taxes.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:52 am

parfait wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
Behshad wrote:Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
!


Ive seen both sides too, and Ive seen it fail in several countries

Yes ...where exactly does this work ...besides parfaitland?!?! :?


France got one of the worlds best health care systems, but the only problem is that it's way too expensive in the long run. People that [can/i] pay, should pay some, but it's inhuman to not offer medical care to the ones who can't pay - simple as that.

There's a golden middle road that one's gotta take.

Some of you should seriously stop whining though. You're saying that you won't pay out a small tax fee for someone who can't afford it? That's fucking shameful! I'm a god damn student, but I still gladly pay my taxes, why? Cause I know someone who can't manage a job, for whatever reason, needs the money more than me.


See there you go trying to spend my money ...I help the poor the way [i]I want to help them!! I tithe, pay my taxes
and work my ass off...so to speak!! You're saying someone needs my money more than I do ... how do you know for sure?!?!?
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Postby parfait » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:55 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
Behshad wrote:Listen I seen both sides... while youve been stuck in the same are, I have lived in 3 countries and more than 20 cities and I have seen a government supported healthcare succeed.
!


Ive seen both sides too, and Ive seen it fail in several countries

Yes ...where exactly does this work ...besides parfaitland?!?! :?


France got one of the worlds best health care systems, but the only problem is that it's way too expensive in the long run. People that [can/i] pay, should pay some, but it's inhuman to not offer medical care to the ones who can't pay - simple as that.

There's a golden middle road that one's gotta take.

Some of you should seriously stop whining though. You're saying that you won't pay out a small tax fee for someone who can't afford it? That's fucking shameful! I'm a god damn student, but I still gladly pay my taxes, why? Cause I know someone who can't manage a job, for whatever reason, needs the money more than me.
See there you go trying to spend [i]my money ...I help the poor the way I want to help them!! I tithe, pay my taxes
and work my ass off...so to speak!! You're saying someone needs my money more than I do ... how do you know for sure?!?!?


Damnit MG; now you're just disappointing me.

Over 13 million children (age 18 and younger) lived in poverty in 2007. U.S. Census Bureau, 2008


Simple as that.

It's not about being a democrat or a republican: It's about being a fucking good human being, and doing the right thing. For fucks sake; some of you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Postby Angel » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:59 am

I think the thread title needs to also reflect the "Democratic Euphoria" that's going on here.
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Postby Lula » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:03 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Lula wrote:and this is bad how, ff? i get that many of you don't like the bill, i wanted more but..... tell me what should happen.


Just posting the particulars Lula, you make of it what you want. Freedom should happen, but I guess that's out the window now. :(


Save your money, when you get older you too can share it those who didn't. :evil:


doesn't this grant the freedom of the working class to pursue buying a home, save for retirement, save for college, etc, and be able to have the piece of mind that their insurance will cover what might be needed? freedom for medicine and food? seriously, are y'all so wealthy you are above all of this? if so, good for you, but remember there is a working class that keeps this country going and could use a break. enough of the corporate elite the gop has been setting up to always be on top and in power. score one for the everyday joe.
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Postby Lula » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:07 am

Angel wrote:I think the thread title needs to also reflect the "Democratic Euphoria" that's going on here.


what do you propose happen. there is a lot of griping over this, but no one has offered any alternative.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:10 am

Fact Finder wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319


Here is what to expect if the bill becomes law:

WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR OF ENACTMENT

*Insurance companies will be barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick. Lifetime coverage limits will be eliminated and annual limits are to be restricted.


A bar on dropping those who become sick is ok - I'm fine with that. Not ok with totally eliminating lifetime coverage limits.


*Insurers will be barred from excluding children for coverage because of pre-existing conditions.


Not a bad thing in and of itself - these costs can theoretically be passed on to the entire pool.

*Young adults will be able to stay on their parents' health plans until the age of 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.


Not sure what the rationale behind this is purported to be - either you get a job after high school and get your own coverage, go to college, or get dropped... why 26? Jesus, a lot of people are having their own kids by 26 or at least used to.

*Uninsured adults with a pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.


Probably a fair thing.

*A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.


Hm. On one hand, I don't think it's smart to incentivize people to retire so early. Aside from certain jobs like military and possibly law enforcement, retiring at any point before 60 is awfully young, imo. On the other hand, it'll theoretically create more jobs for younger people assuming things don't ever turn around here. I'd rather just see this country return to the point where it's not expected to have a 17% unemployment rate.

*Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.


Bush should have never passed Medicare Part D. I don't see how a provision like this actually helps cost in the long run, which is the main issue underlying all health care problems. Utter shit.

*A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.


The problem is what they get back in the tax credit is far outstripped by the increased burdens this bill will put on small business owners. Ask any small business owner and he will tell you the same. If you believe them on this claim, then I've got some great ocean front property in North Dakota to sell you.

*A 10 percent tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.


All people who go tanning deserve to get skin cancer, lesions, and die a painful death.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2011

*Medicare provides 10 percent bonus payments to primary care physicians and general surgeons.


Great, the fraudsters can steal even more money from us.

*Medicare beneficiaries will be able to get a free annual wellness visit and personalized prevention plan service. New health plans will be required to cover preventive services with little or no cost to patients.


Begs the question: What is a "free annual wellness visit?" A physical? A battery of tests for maladies that are more liable to effect the elderly? What are preventive services "with little or no cost to patients?" Perhaps they are in the definitions section of the bill, but this sounds like a strange provision to me. You get what you pay for and if the reimbursement is crappy or the mandate too overbearing, I have a feeling this type of provision will be a well-intentioned one that doesn't work in practice because it's too Utopian.

*A new program under the Medicaid plan for the poor goes into effect in October that allows states to offer home and community based care for the disabled that might otherwise require institutional care.


No comment, not enough familiarity with this area.

*Payments to insurers offering Medicare Advantage services are frozen at 2010 levels. These payments are to be gradually reduced to bring them more in line with traditional Medicare.


Not good at all, penalizes those eligible for Medicare who lived a life of fiscal responsibility and saved money for health care in old age by forcing their coverage to get crappier. Again, you get what you pay for.

*Employers are required to disclose the value of health benefits on employees' W-2 tax forms.


For what purpose, Big Brother?

*An annual fee is imposed on pharmaceutical companies according to market share. The fee does not apply to companies with sales of $5 million or less.


An annual fee for what exactly?

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2012

*Physician payment reforms are implemented in Medicare to enhance primary care services and encourage doctors to form "accountable care organizations" to improve quality and efficiency of care.


Read: A bunch of bureaucrat political science major assholes want to try and tell doctors and other medical professionals how to run their practices.

*An incentive program is established in Medicare for acute care hospitals to improve quality outcomes.


Too general/broad to comment on

*The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees the government programs, begin tracking hospital readmission rates and puts in place financial incentives to reduce preventable readmissions.


We don't need anything that "oversees" Medicare and Medicaid overseeing anything else, trust me.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2013

*A national pilot program is established for Medicare on payment bundling to encourage doctors, hospitals and other care providers to better coordinate patient care.


Read: A bunch of bureaucrat political science major assholes want to try and tell doctors and other medical professionals how to run their practices.

*The threshold for claiming medical expenses on itemized tax returns is raised to 10 percent from 7.5 percent of income. The threshold remains at 7.5 percent for the elderly through 2016.


Cool

*The Medicare payroll tax is raised to 2.35 percent from 1.45 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples with incomes over $250,000. The tax is imposed on some investment income for that income group.


Because another tax is just what we need. Don't like this at all.

*A 2.9 percent excise tax in imposed on the sale of medical devices. Anything generally purchased at the retail level by the public is excluded from the tax.


Tax revenues I'm "sure" will all be devoted to improving our health care... right.

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2014

*State health insurance exchanges for small businesses and individuals open.


Hopefully we never reach this point

*Most people will be required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fine if they don't. Healthcare tax credits become available to help people with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty purchase coverage on the exchange.


Utter bullshit

*Health plans no longer can exclude people from coverage due to pre-existing conditions.


I'm ok with this, as I think those with pre-existing conditions should be able to get insurance, but I don't see how this helps control costs in the aggregate. Also, like I said, I do believe lifetime maximums are fair.

*Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage face a fine of $2,000 for each employee if any worker receives subsidized insurance on the exchange. The first 30 employees aren't counted for the fine.


Read: A bunch of bureaucrat political science major assholes want to try and tell business owners what's good for them

*Health insurance companies begin paying a fee based on their market share.


Draconian again, just like the pharmaceutical market share based fee. Even if you agree with this, do you really think these fees will be used for the betterment of the system? No way

WHAT HAPPENS IN 2015

*Medicare creates a physician payment program aimed at rewarding quality of care rather than volume of services.


Quality of care measured by who and how, exactly? Read: A bunch of bureaucrat political science major assholes want to try and tell doctors and other medical professionals how to run their practices.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:10 am

So who pays for this insurance for all these fucking mexicans that sneak in and start punching out kids right and left?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:12 am

I don't mind helping children ...I donate many, many hours to helping children, they are my passion!!
But people have got to learn to help themselves and they have to want to help themselves. Someone
has to teach this to our young or they will grow up, like their parents, believing that their welfare
is the responsibility of everyone but themselves!!

Does anyone remember when families helped each other in times of need and crisis?!?!?
When we didn't rely on a system, but each other?!?! When communities banned together?!?
When children took care of their aging parents and grandparents and their grown children if
need be?!?! I know that if I lost everything today I could show up on the doorstep of any
family member and I would be taken care of until I got on my feet!! I also know that I would
not be allowed to sit on my ass and expect a government to take care of me. These
are some of the values I grew up with and I think they are very much lacking in this world today!!
The children, yes lets take care of the children, but are we really helping in the long run?!?
I want to know about the looooong haul!!!
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Postby Angel » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:20 am

Lula wrote:
Angel wrote:I think the thread title needs to also reflect the "Democratic Euphoria" that's going on here.


what do you propose happen. there is a lot of griping over this, but no one has offered any alternative.


I've stated several things I propose. But I'll recap for those that missed it.

-Medical malpractice reform to reduce the malpractice insurance costs, that, as I mentioned, reach into six figures a year for physicians. Guess who ends up paying for that? The patients. People should not be allowed to file frivilous law suits against hosptials and physicians for millions of dollars-and it happens ALL the time.
-Reform the system we currently have. Abusers of the system cost the taxpayers millions every year. There is no reason someone with medicaid should be able to call an ambulance and be taken to the regional trauma center because they have a cough and need a ride to the hospital. A small copay would help to eliminate this. And YES, it does happen...A LOT!
-Don't make reimbursement so difficult for providers and reimburse at a rate that would allow providers to at a minumum break even-as it is now, most providers lose money by providing care for medicare and medicaid recipeints. So guess who pays the difference. Now, I already know what you are going to say-with healthcare reform everyone wins because there won't be one class of people paying the difference for the other....ok, true, but who pays the differnce to the provider so they don't lose money on every patient now???

Bottom line is healtcare reform is great for those in a lower socioeconomic class, not so much for middle and upper and not at all for providers. Being a healthcare provider will be a nightmare.

And for those of you that are about to blast me for being selfish and and doing what I do "just for the money." Well first of all if you think I do it for the money you don't know me at all, but I do have a family and yes, I do it for a living and I have put a lot of time and effort into my education-just as many of you have so why shouldn't I at least make a decent living doing what I do?
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Postby Angel » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:24 am

steveo777 wrote:So who pays for this insurance for all these fucking mexicans that sneak in and start punching out kids right and left?

This is a difficult one for me to address because about 70% of my patients are hispanic and I have grown to simply adore them...I LOVE the hispanic people. BUT, the truth of the matter is that no one pays for them.....which in turn means everyone pays for them. There are some government programs that are available to everyone, legal or otherwise, living in the country but they usually don't cover most of the healthcare costs.
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Postby parfait » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:30 am

Michigan Girl wrote:I don't mind helping children ...I donate many, many hours to helping children, they are my passion!!
But people have got to learn to help themselves and they have to want to help themselves. Someone
has to teach this to our young or they will grow up, like their parents, believing that their welfare
is the responsibility of everyone but themselves!!

Does anyone remember when families helped each other in times of need and crisis?!?!?
When we didn't rely on a system, but each other?!?! When communities banned together?!?
When children took care of their aging parents and grandparents and their grown children if
need be?!?! I know that if I lost everything today I could show up on the doorstep of any
family member and I would be taken care of until I got on my feet!! I also know that I would
not be allowed to sit on my ass and expect a government to take care of me. These
are some of the values I grew up with and I think they are very much lacking in this world today!!
The children, yes lets take care of the children, but are we really helping in the long run?!?
I want to know about the looooong haul!!!


Woah, I didn't expect you to have some decent points, but you do. The problem is that you're basically saying that every person who "needs welfare" is in fact just lazy, and needs to work. That's ridiculous. One shouldn't be lenient with the ones who's lazy. But come on MG, your mindset just speaks for itself. It's egotistical.

The thing that'll cost you tax payers the most isn't a slightly higher tax, but the effects of the growing obesity epidemic. That'll slowly but surely cripple the health care system, as well as the job market. If the government had some balls, it would put some bad ass taxes on unhealthy crap food, and force its citizens to eat healthy. That'll solve a shit loads of problems right there, as well as prevent even more.
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Postby Angel » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:31 am

parfait wrote: If the government had some balls, it would put some bad ass taxes on unhealthy shit food, and force its citizens to eat healthy. That'll solve loads of problems right there.


That's actually not a bad idea.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:40 am

Angel wrote:
steveo777 wrote:So who pays for this insurance for all these fucking mexicans that sneak in and start punching out kids right and left?

This is a difficult one for me to address because about 70% of my patients are hispanic and I have grown to simply adore them...I LOVE the hispanic people. BUT, the truth of the matter is that no one pays for them.....which in turn means everyone pays for them. There are some government programs that are available to everyone, legal or otherwise, living in the country but they usually don't cover most of the healthcare costs.


Actually, Angel. I don't hate Mexican, Hispanic, or Latinos, whatever you want to call them. What I dislike is what is happening to our country because a situation that has been allowed to fester out of control. I seriously swear on some days these people have more buying power in the grocery store than I do and they are paying with food stamps, 3 kids in tow and another one on the way. A lady who I know that works at the social security administration told me all they can do is confiscate fake social security cards, they are not prosecuted. Why not just help these people become legitimate and have them pay their own way? I'm sure most are willing to work. I don't blame them for wanting to escape from a shit hole and provide a better life for their families.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:45 am

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Michigan Girl wrote:I don't mind helping children ...I donate many, many hours to helping children, they are my passion!!
But people have got to learn to help themselves and they have to want to help themselves. Someone
has to teach this to our young or they will grow up, like their parents, believing that their welfare
is the responsibility of everyone but themselves!!

Does anyone remember when families helped each other in times of need and crisis?!?!?
When we didn't rely on a system, but each other?!?! When communities banned together?!?
When children took care of their aging parents and grandparents and their grown children if
need be?!?! I know that if I lost everything today I could show up on the doorstep of any
family member and I would be taken care of until I got on my feet!! I also know that I would
not be allowed to sit on my ass and expect a government to take care of me. These
are some of the values I grew up with and I think they are very much lacking in this world today!!
The children, yes lets take care of the children, but are we really helping in the long run?!?
I want to know about the looooong haul!!!


Woah, I didn't expect you to have some decent points, but you do. The problem is that you're basically saying that every person who "needs welfare" is in fact just lazy, and needs to work. That's ridiculous. One shouldn't be lenient with the ones who's lazy. But come on MG, your mindset just speaks for itself. It's egotistical.

The thing that'll cost you tax payers the most isn't a slightly higher tax, but the effects of the growing obesity epidemic. That'll slowly but surely cripple the health care system, as well as the job market. If the government had some balls, it would put some bad ass taxes on unhealthy crap food, and force its citizens to eat healthy. That'll solve a shit loads of problems right there, as well as prevent even more.

1.) You've got to be kidding me/yourself?!?!
2.) Absolutely, I should have clarified! Those that want to help themselves and try to help themselves are the very people I would
give my last dime to!!
3.) The food thing ...yeah, I can see you have a burr up your ass about our eating habits and I agree!!
4.) You have got to be kidding me ... :?
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