Yes We Can ! ;)

[portland]

they'd rather have gold teeth, fake nail$, top brand name clothe$/shoe$/purse$/car$, cigarette$, and tons of other luxurie$ and vice$, all while popping out a kid with a different father every other year? Great way to keep rewarding irrresponsibility and dependency.

Can "Pre-existing multiple baby-daddies" be a reason for denial?

I say run them through the Maury Povich Baby-Daddy Screening Process.
If you've had 5 kids with 7 different guys (because somehow, those Maury freaks pull of stuff like that!), you're OUT.

LOL Kim!! Oh and Matt they can call me whatever they want, but it's not true. I've stayed in Pediatrics all these years after working with adults my first year out, because it's not the KIDS' faults some of them have gold-toothed, fake nailed, irresponsible, dependent, lazy choose-not-to-work idiots for parents.

The "reform" to have insurance for those who don't (again, a lot of which CHOOSE not to, but can very damn well afford it, as well as those who CHOOSE not to work) should be for THEM, NOT for the VAST majority of which in this country already DO have insurance because we WORK and PAY for it ourselves (gee what a concept!)

^^^^^AMEN^^^^^^^

[Behshad]

I submit to you that THIS is investing in America, the American economy, and the American people. I find it repulsive, unAmerican, and unPatriotic that people would say this nation can not afford to invest in its own people. That is so backwards and seems so retarded that we are willing to build nations in the middle-east but are unwilling to build our own. How pathetic the conservative movement has become when it thinks this way, that other countries come before our own.

YES!!!

i agree with this whole heartedly. how can we not afford this reform? to ignore the issues is too costly. most of us probably have health insurance and have been fortunate enough to not be faced with the tough decisions of food or medicine, or the heart breaking reality that losing your home and going bankrupt is the only option to try and get above medical bills- most often with insurance. seriously, how can we not do something for our own fellow americans?

A lot of people are confused about this, so a point of clarification is in order:

Medical debt is UNSECURED. No personal assets are used as collateral on the debt. The only way to transfer it into a secured debt is to say, take a second mortgage out on your home to try and help cover the medical bill itself. No one simply loses his home by falling into medical debt in and of itself. Wage garnishments, lawsuits, and credit score damage can follow on unsecured debt, but seizure of assets, as in the case of a foreclosed home, does not follow from mere medical debt.

I realize people probably do these things (eg pledging collateral for a medical debt) when their backs are up against the wall, but you need some truth here. No hospital or insurance company can simply waltz in and foreclose on your home just because you had a heart surgery you couldn't pay for up front.

oh, silly me! here i thought the good doctor could waltz in and take my home!
there is no denying folks have lost it all because of a catastrophic illness and that is having health insurance. having your credit rating drop because of medical bills is the beginning of the end for some.

There you go again getting defensive. I wasn't even aiming it directly at you. I just think a lot of people think that a medical debt is the same as defaulting on a mortgage or being delinquent on taxes, where it's wham-bam-thank you ma'am, you lose your house, car, and everything else just by virtue of having done so. Not true.

Ive seen people getting turned down on car loans , because of unpaid medical bills,,, its a lot more common than you think..

One of our customers who had a credit score of 798 (4 years ago),,,, 3 years ago, he was switching jobs, in a gap period of 60 days , he had no insurance , and he happened to have a heart attack and tripple bypass,,,, long story short, he lost his house and his credit went down to 540 due to the bankruptcy and repo.,,,,, now prior to this, the guys was never late on a single bill and worked his ass off for 22 years and sent 2 kids to college,,, now he is renting a small apartment and driving a piece of shit car,,,,

Thats just a one in million example how one's life can get totally turned upside down due to the broken system we currently have.....

[Jana]

Then do it for the 38 million who need it and don't force all 300+ million of us into something we don't want or need. The stimulus package alone could have provided coverage for the 38 million and left the rest of us out of this mess.

BINGO. Why do the 85% in this country who already DO have coverage have to be forced into this bullsh*t for the 15% who don't? Especially when a LOT of that 15% simply CHOOSE not to have coverage because they'd rather have gold teeth, fake nail$, top brand name clothe$/shoe$/purse$/car$, cigarette$, and tons of other luxurie$ and vice$, all while popping out a kid with a different father every other year? Great way to keep rewarding irrresponsibility and dependency. Hope the Obamalamas are happy. If they truly think this "bill" will lower healthcare costs or medication costs in any way, shape, or form, then I would love to know how to post one of those pics of the huge BONG they're all sharing

I've been a nurse for 16 years now, and have fought insurance companies like hell for my patients for YEARS. I know how to get covered for my patients what NEEDS to be covered. Those of you who haven't done that and haven't done what we as healthcare workers have done for years and years really have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not saying there is no reform needed, there IS. But this "bill" is going to tank this country. Kind of funny how all the people I work with (about half) who voted FOR Obama, are also saying his way is NOT the answer. Very interesting.

Well Melissa, as to your first very valid point, I'm sure you will be called a racist, culturalist, whatever else these guys think up.

As to your second point, you're only a health care provider - surely these liberal feel-gooders here and elsewhere know much more about the inner workings and evil machinations of hospitals, health insurance companies, and doctors than a medical professional like you ever will know... right?

I'm no do-gooder for people that don't deserve it. I have always struggled with this kind of plan and my paying to cover people who choose not to have insurance, not the ones the are truly poor and work hard, but the ones that manage to buy other things or have a gazillion kids. All poor people are not noble people. I struggle with that regarding benefits for welfare and the moms have more children b/c they get more AFDC, or whatever it is called, for the next child and they never work. I struggle with all these issues. Unfortunately nowadays, the average American can't afford insurance for themselves and their families, unless provided by their employer (which is becoming not the norm), and it's only going to get worse and it is affecting people that never in their lives thought they would be facing this, myself included. I don't know the answer.

[Michigan Girl]

Then do it for the 38 million who need it and don't force all 300+ million of us into something we don't want or need. The stimulus package alone could have provided coverage for the 38 million and left the rest of us out of this mess.

BINGO. Why do the 85% in this country who already DO have coverage have to be forced into this bullsh*t for the 15% who don't? Especially when a LOT of that 15% simply CHOOSE not to have coverage because they'd rather have gold teeth, fake nail$, top brand name clothe$/shoe$/purse$/car$, cigarette$, and tons of other luxurie$ and vice$, all while popping out a kid with a different father every other year? Great way to keep rewarding irrresponsibility and dependency. Hope the Obamalamas are happy. If they truly think this "bill" will lower healthcare costs or medication costs in any way, shape, or form, then I would love to know how to post one of those pics of the huge BONG they're all sharing

I've been a nurse for 16 years now, and have fought insurance companies like hell for my patients for YEARS. I know how to get covered for my patients what NEEDS to be covered. Those of you who haven't done that and haven't done what we as healthcare workers have done for years and years really have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not saying there is no reform needed, there IS. But this "bill" is going to tank this country. Kind of funny how all the people I work with (about half) who voted FOR Obama, are also saying his way is NOT the answer. Very interesting.

MAAAAALLLIIIISSSSAAAA!!! Couldn't stay away!!!
GREAT POST!!

[Lula]

There you go again getting defensive. I wasn't even aiming it directly at you. I just think a lot of people think that a medical debt is the same as defaulting on a mortgage or being delinquent on taxes, where it's wham-bam-thank you ma'am, you lose your house, car, and everything else just by virtue of having done so. Not true.

not being defensive at all, am i usually defensive?

i don't think many, if any at all, of the folks here think it's a wham-bam medical bills = demise.

[Ehwmatt]

I submit to you that THIS is investing in America, the American economy, and the American people. I find it repulsive, unAmerican, and unPatriotic that people would say this nation can not afford to invest in its own people. That is so backwards and seems so retarded that we are willing to build nations in the middle-east but are unwilling to build our own. How pathetic the conservative movement has become when it thinks this way, that other countries come before our own.

YES!!!

i agree with this whole heartedly. how can we not afford this reform? to ignore the issues is too costly. most of us probably have health insurance and have been fortunate enough to not be faced with the tough decisions of food or medicine, or the heart breaking reality that losing your home and going bankrupt is the only option to try and get above medical bills- most often with insurance. seriously, how can we not do something for our own fellow americans?

A lot of people are confused about this, so a point of clarification is in order:

Medical debt is UNSECURED. No personal assets are used as collateral on the debt. The only way to transfer it into a secured debt is to say, take a second mortgage out on your home to try and help cover the medical bill itself. No one simply loses his home by falling into medical debt in and of itself. Wage garnishments, lawsuits, and credit score damage can follow on unsecured debt, but seizure of assets, as in the case of a foreclosed home, does not follow from mere medical debt.

I realize people probably do these things (eg pledging collateral for a medical debt) when their backs are up against the wall, but you need some truth here. No hospital or insurance company can simply waltz in and foreclose on your home just because you had a heart surgery you couldn't pay for up front.

oh, silly me! here i thought the good doctor could waltz in and take my home!
there is no denying folks have lost it all because of a catastrophic illness and that is having health insurance. having your credit rating drop because of medical bills is the beginning of the end for some.

There you go again getting defensive. I wasn't even aiming it directly at you. I just think a lot of people think that a medical debt is the same as defaulting on a mortgage or being delinquent on taxes, where it's wham-bam-thank you ma'am, you lose your house, car, and everything else just by virtue of having done so. Not true.

Ive seen people getting turned down on car loans , because of unpaid medical bills,,, its a lot more common than you think..

One of our customers who had a credit score of 798 (4 years ago),,,, 3 years ago, he was switching jobs, in a gap period of 60 days , he had no insurance , and he happened to have a heart attack and tripple bypass,,,, long story short, he lost his house and his credit went down to 540 due to the bankruptcy and repo.,,,,, now prior to this, the guys was never late on a single bill and worked his ass off for 22 years and sent 2 kids to college,,, now he is renting a small apartment and driving a piece of shit car,,,,

Thats just a one in million example how one's life can get totally turned upside down due to the broken system we currently have.....

I said they can garnish your wages/credit/sue you in my original post. There's just this misperception out there that is often used to demonize hospitals for trying to collect on bills that they can just come in and take your house like a bank or the IRS could. Just trying to clear that up.

[lights1961]

they'd rather have gold teeth, fake nail$, top brand name clothe$/shoe$/purse$/car$, cigarette$, and tons of other luxurie$ and vice$, all while popping out a kid with a different father every other year? Great way to keep rewarding irrresponsibility and dependency.

Can "Pre-existing multiple baby-daddies" be a reason for denial?

I say run them through the Maury Povich Baby-Daddy Screening Process.
If you've had 5 kids with 7 different guys (because somehow, those Maury freaks pull of stuff like that!), you're OUT.

LOL Kim!! Oh and Matt they can call me whatever they want, but it's not true. I've stayed in Pediatrics all these years after working with adults my first year out, because it's not the KIDS' faults some of them have gold-toothed, fake nailed, irresponsible, dependent, lazy choose-not-to-work idiots for parents.

The "reform" to have insurance for those who don't (again, a lot of which CHOOSE not to, but can very damn well afford it, as well as those who CHOOSE not to work) should be for THEM, NOT for the VAST majority of which in this country already DO have insurance because we WORK and PAY for it ourselves (gee what a concept!)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WHAT A WOMAN!! and what you said here was awesome and right on.

[brywool]

Tweet from Dennis Miller.....



If you look closely into Nancy Pelosi’s eyes you can see that rotating beach ball that appears when your Mac crashes...

What the hell happened to Dennis Miller? He used to be hilarious. Now he's just a grumpy bastard. I loved the guy. Can't listen to him these days.

[conversationpc]

Tweet from Dennis Miller.....



If you look closely into Nancy Pelosi’s eyes you can see that rotating beach ball that appears when your Mac crashes...

What the hell happened to Dennis Miller. He used to be hilarious. Now he's just a grumpy bastard. I loved the guy. Can't listen to him these days.

I listen to him fairly often and he is almost always in a good mood.

[brywool]

Tweet from Dennis Miller.....



If you look closely into Nancy Pelosi’s eyes you can see that rotating beach ball that appears when your Mac crashes...

What the hell happened to Dennis Miller. He used to be hilarious. Now he's just a grumpy bastard. I loved the guy. Can't listen to him these days.

I listen to him fairly often and he is almost always in a good mood.

Not so much his mood, just ... I dunno. Maybe it was his swing to the far right that left me cold. Used to love the guy.

[Lula]

seriously, those folks living on the tax payers dime are already getting their health care. there are so many damn programs the working poor don't qualify for and that is the crime. those that are trying to do it right sometimes need a little help. i think welfare is a good thing for a temporary hand, not as a lifestyle as it seems to have become for many.

the bill is not for the welfare state, but rather for the working class. isn't time to help the ones that are already helping themselves with an honest day's work. not anyone other than tax payers.

[conversationpc]

I submit to you that THIS is investing in America, the American economy, and the American people. I find it repulsive, unAmerican, and unPatriotic that people would say this nation can not afford to invest in its own people. That is so backwards and seems so retarded that we are willing to build nations in the middle-east but are unwilling to build our own. How pathetic the conservative movement has become when it thinks this way, that other countries come before our own.

Lovely...You liberals who cry at the drop of a hat when a Republican calls you unpatriotic (and they're typically wrong also) are now hypocritically throwing the unPatriotism card on the table.

Being against THIS particular healthcare reform bill no more makes someone unpatriotic or unAmerican than being against the war in Iraq does. Hypocrites.

[conversationpc]

Tweet from Dennis Miller.....



If you look closely into Nancy Pelosi’s eyes you can see that rotating beach ball that appears when your Mac crashes...

What the hell happened to Dennis Miller. He used to be hilarious. Now he's just a grumpy bastard. I loved the guy. Can't listen to him these days.

I listen to him fairly often and he is almost always in a good mood.

Not so much his mood, just ... I dunno. Maybe it was his swing to the far right that left me cold. Used to love the guy.

He's hardly far right...Moderate, in my opinion.

[RossValoryRocks]

That's laughable. These states filing lawsuits cannot win. In this case, federal law supersedes any and all state law.

Wow...since you won't respond to my posting anymore...I can correct you easily here...wow that PoliSci degree is really showing.

The 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The US Government has NO AUTHORITY to hijack HealthCare...not even under the Commerce Clause...because almost ALL health insurance in INTRASTATE...not Interstate. So unless the Dems can get a Constitutional Amendment passed that specifically gives the right to take control of health care these suits will win easily.

OWNED!

Learn the Constitution, it will set you free.

[Jana]

seriously, those folks living on the tax payers dime are already getting their health care. there are so many damn programs the working poor don't qualify for and that is the crime. those that are trying to do it right sometimes need a little help. i think welfare is a good thing for a temporary hand, not as a lifestyle as it seems to have become for many.

the bill is not for the welfare state, but rather for the working class. isn't time to help the ones that are already helping themselves with an honest day's work. not anyone other than tax payers.

good post.

[brywool]

Lovely...You liberals who cry at the drop of a hat...

"You repubs that..."


THIS is what's wrong with the country. Isn't anybody else sick of the left vs. right stuff?

No offense to conversationpc, btw (just used that as an example).

The whole "Left VS. Right" deal is like little brats arguing on a playground.

[KenTheDude]

That's laughable. These states filing lawsuits cannot win. In this case, federal law supersedes any and all state law.

Wow...since you won't respond to my posting anymore...I can correct you easily here...wow that PoliSci degree is really showing.

The 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The US Government has NO AUTHORITY to hijack HealthCare...not even under the Commerce Clause...because almost ALL health insurance in INTRASTATE...not Interstate. So unless the Dems can get a Constitutional Amendment passed that specifically gives the right to take control of health care these suits will win easily.

OWNED!

Learn the Constitution, it will set you free.

Plus, since Obama pissed off the Supreme Court in his last Address, they may just hand victory to the states just to spite Obama.

[Behshad]

I submit to you that THIS is investing in America, the American economy, and the American people. I find it repulsive, unAmerican, and unPatriotic that people would say this nation can not afford to invest in its own people. That is so backwards and seems so retarded that we are willing to build nations in the middle-east but are unwilling to build our own. How pathetic the conservative movement has become when it thinks this way, that other countries come before our own.

Lovely...You liberals who cry at the drop of a hat when a Republican calls you unpatriotic (and they're typically wrong also) are now hypocritically throwing the unPatriotism card on the table.

Being against THIS particular healthcare reform bill no more makes someone unpatriotic or unAmerican than being against the war in Iraq does. Hypocrites.

On the contrary!
This bill is for the people and about giving the people more options to a better health care system, as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

[Ehwmatt]

I submit to you that THIS is investing in America, the American economy, and the American people. I find it repulsive, unAmerican, and unPatriotic that people would say this nation can not afford to invest in its own people. That is so backwards and seems so retarded that we are willing to build nations in the middle-east but are unwilling to build our own. How pathetic the conservative movement has become when it thinks this way, that other countries come before our own.

Lovely...You liberals who cry at the drop of a hat when a Republican calls you unpatriotic (and they're typically wrong also) are now hypocritically throwing the unPatriotism card on the table.

Being against THIS particular healthcare reform bill no more makes someone unpatriotic or unAmerican than being against the war in Iraq does. Hypocrites.

On the contrary!
This bill is for the people and about giving the people more options to a better health care system, as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

Well, after the consequences of this bill become clearn, luckily it will be exclusively the left's cross to bear, unlike the war where plenty of prominent leftists voted in favor.

[brywool]

... as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

Can't argue with this. That whole thing shoulda never happened and we should get our asses out of there NOW. If they can't hold up their own country after all these years, that's now their problem.

[Jana]

I submit to you that THIS is investing in America, the American economy, and the American people. I find it repulsive, unAmerican, and unPatriotic that people would say this nation can not afford to invest in its own people. That is so backwards and seems so retarded that we are willing to build nations in the middle-east but are unwilling to build our own. How pathetic the conservative movement has become when it thinks this way, that other countries come before our own.

Lovely...You liberals who cry at the drop of a hat when a Republican calls you unpatriotic (and they're typically wrong also) are now hypocritically throwing the unPatriotism card on the table.

Being against THIS particular healthcare reform bill no more makes someone unpatriotic or unAmerican than being against the war in Iraq does. Hypocrites.

On the contrary!
This bill is for the people and about giving the people more options to a better health care system, as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

let's hear a round of applause.

[Ehwmatt]

... as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

Can't argue with this. That whole thing shoulda never happened and we should get our asses out of there NOW. If they can't hold up their own country after all these years, that's now their problem.

I agree with this. They've been killing each other since 2000 fuckin BC. Get the fuck outta those shit holes.

[brywool]

... as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

Can't argue with this. That whole thing shoulda never happened and we should get our asses out of there NOW. If they can't hold up their own country after all these years, that's now their problem.

I agree with this. They've been killing each other since 2000 fuckin BC. Get the fuck outta those shit holes.

well, yeah...
How the heck are we going to stop them?? We should get out now.

[conversationpc]

Lovely...You liberals who cry at the drop of a hat...

"You repubs that..."


THIS is what's wrong with the country. Isn't anybody else sick of the left vs. right stuff?

No offense to conversationpc, btw (just used that as an example).

The whole "Left VS. Right" deal is like little brats arguing on a playground.

So calling someone a liberal is worse than accusing someone of being anti-American?

The comparison is valid. People on the left were rightly outraged at being called unpatriotic because they opposed the war. In the same way, it's wrong to call someone unpatriotic because they oppose this particular healthcare reform bill. Notice I didn't say reform in general. We all agree that's needed. What's not needed is this dungheap passed by Congress.

[Lula]

challenging the constitutionality of the bill is fine. there are arguments for both sides. i hope it generates the call once again for a public option!

[conversationpc]

On the contrary!
This bill is for the people and about giving the people more options to a better health care system, as opposed to going to war with a country whos leader messed with Sr and was no threat whatsoever to us . Changing the course of attack on Iraq from "War on terror" to "Operation Freedom Iraq" is a big fuck you to the people of this country, who put their trust in the Presidents hands.....

Let's stick to the topic...Calling someone anti-American because they oppose this particular healthcare "reform" bill is flat-out wrong. Period.

[Rockindeano]

Kind of funny how all the people I work with (about half) who voted FOR Obama, are also saying his way is NOT the answer. Very interesting.

Oh but here's where you're wrong, or your wording is wrong.

This isn't what Obama wanted. What he wanted was something much more progressive, something much more changing. This is all he could get from those fucking "just say no because we haven't a single idea republicans." Had we gotten true reform, with a public option, I wonder then what you conservatives would bitch about then?

It's all for naught anyways. This is now the law of the land, so learn to live with it Cons. Don't like it, secede from the union or move the Hell out of the country. Pretty easy decision if you ask me. This is nowhere near the shit us on the minority side had to live with during the Bush regime.

[S2M]

It remains to be seen if healthcare costs will plummet. And I know is that auto insurance companies made out when it became mandatory.....same happens now. MORE money for the insurance companies.....since everyone has to pay....

I say again...

[Michigan Girl]

I had a relative die the other day and guess what? I tried to buy a life insurance policy for him and they wouldn’t sell one to me. They said we can’t insure a dead person with life insurance, now I think that’s just plain wrong, what do you think?

I had a car wreck the other day and guess what? I tried to buy an Auto insurance policy and they wouldn’t sell one to me. They said we can’t insure a wreck after it happens, now I think that’s just plain wrong, what do you think?

My house caught on fire the other day and guess what? I tried to buy a homeowners insurance policy for my house and they wouldn’t sell one to me. They said we can’t insure a burned up house after it happens, now I think that’s just plain wrong, what do you think?

How do you feel about health insurance companies rejecting people with pre-existing conditions?

You don’t get house insurance after your house catches fire.
You don’t get car insurance after you have a wreck.
You don’t get life insurance on a family member after a their death.

HA HA!! TRUE!!

[Rockindeano]

It remains to be seen if healthcare costs will plummet. And I know is that auto insurance companies made out when it became mandatory.....same happens now. MORE money for the insurance companies.....since everyone has to pay....

I say again...

Yeah, everyone has to pay, and now everyone gets coverage, and they(insurance companies) can no longer jack up premiums just to fuck with patients and maximize profits. Trust me dude, they aren't too happy about this. That should tell you something.