Yes We Can ! ;)

[lights1961]

if ITS SUCH A GREAT BILL... why did congress, the white house, the committee and their staff... why did they WRITE THEMSELFS out of the bill... so they could be covered by something else entirely???? JUST A THOUGHT AND A QUESTION... Grassley from Iowa is forcing the issue...if you talk the talk...... and its so great... THE AUTHOR of the bill should be first in line...and he is not...

[conversationpc]

I'm not sure if I have the final copy of the bill that passed the House (H.R. 3962) but I found this somewhat disturbing...In the "National High Risk Pool Program" section, which I take is referring to those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get standard insurance, starting on page 25...

INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.—If the Secretary estimates for any fiscal year that the aggregate amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the expenses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or establishing waiting lists.

I thought one of the purposes of this legislation was to get IMMEDIATE coverage for ALL people with pre-existing conditions who cannot get insurance? Yet this plan is already setting forth conditions where these people can have their benefits changed at any time, their premiums increased by who knows what amount, and placed on a waiting list that is who knows how long. If anyone thinks this WON'T happen, I've got a few bridges in my back yard I'd like to sell you.

[RocknRoll]

Who did you hear this from, Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck? I am guessing Hannity came up with this doozy. There is nothing socialist about providing health care for its' citizens. In fact it's quite responsible to in fact do what the Democrats in Congress just did. You want to call it Socialism, I guess you can, if you want to be laughed at by level headed people, however, Obie is blazing a trail, one of which is a proud one of brotherhood and compassion. This vote was absolutely the right thing to do, and sitting on the sidelines, smugly voting no at every turn, denouncing this bill as a joke, offering no ideas whatsoever, is A) cowardly and B) selfish. I hope that the republicans can look in the mirror at themselves and find some sort of humanity. I wouldn't bet on it. I'll take an American like Obama and Biden and Pelosi, rather than the likes of Boehner, Cantor or Michelle Bachman. You want to call my side socialists? Well your side is plain fucking selfish.

Deano - The reason the Republicans continued to vote no is the fact the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group refused to listen or consider their proposals. This all goes back to the "Won" and their attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else. This is a bad bill!! Nobody argues we don't need Health Care reform. It's how do we do it right to protect the American people and our future? Obama and crew couldn't wait for that. I seriously don't understand the rush to pass a bad bill.

Remember - I do not watch FOX.

1.) The reasons why Republicans continued to vote no is that they want things their way or no way and they don't want to give an inch to the other side and let them be credited. They have no interest in working together in the peoples best interest but are out for their own, in my opinion, by not budging even when they agree with ideas just because the ideas aren't their own.
2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.
3.) Partisan politics is why many things don't get accomplished "for the good of the people" and is why a bill couldn't be better then it is. The day when people stop fighting each other and work together on solutions with only the desire to do whats best for everyone instead of only whats best for themselves and a few, is when there will be more perfect solutions for all.

Blueskies - I've made it a practice to not read your posts.

[conversationpc]

2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.

Could that be because all the alternative bills they offered (and there were multiple bills) were shot down by the Democrat-controlled Congress?

[Blueskies]

Who did you hear this from, Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck? I am guessing Hannity came up with this doozy. There is nothing socialist about providing health care for its' citizens. In fact it's quite responsible to in fact do what the Democrats in Congress just did. You want to call it Socialism, I guess you can, if you want to be laughed at by level headed people, however, Obie is blazing a trail, one of which is a proud one of brotherhood and compassion. This vote was absolutely the right thing to do, and sitting on the sidelines, smugly voting no at every turn, denouncing this bill as a joke, offering no ideas whatsoever, is A) cowardly and B) selfish. I hope that the republicans can look in the mirror at themselves and find some sort of humanity. I wouldn't bet on it. I'll take an American like Obama and Biden and Pelosi, rather than the likes of Boehner, Cantor or Michelle Bachman. You want to call my side socialists? Well your side is plain fucking selfish.

Deano - The reason the Republicans continued to vote no is the fact the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group refused to listen or consider their proposals. This all goes back to the "Won" and their attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else. This is a bad bill!! Nobody argues we don't need Health Care reform. It's how do we do it right to protect the American people and our future? Obama and crew couldn't wait for that. I seriously don't understand the rush to pass a bad bill.

Remember - I do not watch FOX.

1.) The reasons why Republicans continued to vote no is that they want things their way or no way and they don't want to give an inch to the other side and let them be credited. They have no interest in working together in the peoples best interest but are out for their own, in my opinion, by not budging even when they agree with ideas just because the ideas aren't their own.
2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.
3.) Partisan politics is why many things don't get accomplished "for the good of the people" and is why a bill couldn't be better then it is. The day when people stop fighting each other and work together on solutions with only the desire to do whats best for everyone instead of only whats best for themselves and a few, is when there will be more perfect solutions for all.

Blueskies - I've made it a practice to not read your posts.

Typical Republican. You refuse to hear and consider opposing views. It's your way or no way.

[conversationpc]

Typical liberal. You refuse to hear and consider opposing views. It's your way or no way.

Fixed.

[Blueskies]

2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.

Could that be because all the alternative bills they offered (and there were multiple bills) were shot down by the Democrat-controlled Congress?

So they did the same thing that Republicans did when they were in majority.

[RocknRoll]

GULP - This really scares me. How can this not strangle this fragile economy? I thought unemployment couldn't get any worse. Oh course, we have those low-paying taxpayer funded temporary census jobs and some upcoming taxpayer funded temporary construction jobs.

Since I recently retired, it now looks like I could lose my health insurance. Thanks a lot Obama.

Why couldn't you guys think before you pass something this bad?? or maybe they did since they must want this to happen?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 3Dcomments

GObamaCare Day One

Companies are already warning about higher health-care costs.

Democrats dragged themselves over the health-care finish line in part by repeating that voters would like the plan once it passed. Let's see what they think when they learn their insurance costs will jump right away.

Even before President Obama signed the bill on Tuesday, Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone. Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers. Now Verizon joins the roll of businesses staring at adverse consequences.

In an email titled "President Obama Signs Health Care Legislation" sent to all employees Tuesday night, the telecom giant warned that "we expect that Verizon's costs will increase in the short term." While executive vice president for human resources Marc Reed wrote that "it is difficult at this point to gauge the precise impact of this legislation," and that ObamaCare does reflect some of the company's policy priorities, the message to workers was clear: Expect changes for the worse to your health benefits as the direct result of this bill, and maybe as soon as this year.

Mr. Reed specifically cited a change in the tax treatment of retiree health benefits. When Congress created the Medicare prescription drug benefit in 2003, it included a modest tax subsidy to encourage employers to keep drug plans for retirees, rather than dumping them on the government. The Employee Benefit Research Institute says this exclusion—equal to 28% of the cost of a drug plan—will run taxpayers $665 per person next year, while the same Medicare coverage would cost $1,209.

In a $5.4 billion revenue grab, Democrats decided that this $665 fillip should be subject to the ordinary corporate income tax of 35%. Most consulting firms and independent analysts say the higher costs will induce some companies to drop drug coverage, which could affect about five million retirees and 3,500 businesses. Verizon and other large corporations warned about this outcome.

U.S. accounting laws also require businesses to immediately restate their earnings in light of the higher tax burden on their long-term retiree health liabilities. This will have a big effect on their 2010 earnings.

While the drug tax subsidy is for retirees, companies consider their benefit costs as a total package. The new bill might cause some to drop retiree coverage altogether. Others may be bound by labor contracts to retirees, but then they will find other ways to cut costs. This means raising costs or reducing coverage for other employees. So much for Mr. Obama's claim that if you like your coverage, you can keep it—even at Fortune 500 companies.

In its employee note, Verizon also warned about the 40% tax on high-end health plans, though that won't take effect until 2018. "Many of the plans that Verizon offers to employees and retirees are projected to have costs above the threshold in the legislation and will be subject to the 40 percent excise tax." These costs will start to show up soon, and, as we repeatedly argued, the tax is unlikely to drive down costs. The tax burden will simply be spread to all workers—the result of the White House's too-clever decision to tax insurers, rather than individuals.

A Verizon spokesman said the company is merely addressing employee questions about ObamaCare, not making a political statement. But these and many other changes were enabled by the support of the Business Roundtable that counts Verizon as a member. Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg's health-reform ideas are 180 degrees from Mr. Obama's, but Verizon's shareholders and 900,000 employees and retirees will still pay the price.

Businesses around the country are making the same calculations as Verizon and no doubt sending out similar messages. It's only a small measure of the destruction that will be churned out by the rewrite of health, tax, labor and welfare laws that is ObamaCare, and only the vanguard of much worse to come.

[Blueskies]

Typical liberal. You refuse to hear and consider opposing views. It's your way or no way.

Fixed.

I don't mind being called a liberal but I'm not a Democrat so I'll listen to ya, Dave.

[conversationpc]

2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.

Could that be because all the alternative bills they offered (and there were multiple bills) were shot down by the Democrat-controlled Congress?

So they did the same thing that Republicans did when they were in majority.

That wasn't the argument. Parties in power typically vote down bills offered by the other party. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. It IS wrong to say that they didn't offer any alternatives.

[Blueskies]

2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.

Could that be because all the alternative bills they offered (and there were multiple bills) were shot down by the Democrat-controlled Congress?

So they did the same thing that Republicans did when they were in majority.

That wasn't the argument. Parties in power typically vote down bills offered by the other party. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. It IS wrong to say that they didn't offer any alternatives.

I didn't say they didn't. I posed a question to where they were and stated that I haven't seen their arguments and ideas. I've got to get back to work so are there cliff notes somewhere listing their alternative ideas? LOL, j/k... If there are actual drafts available, I would like to read and consider them because I don't consider what talking heads on TV and radio and highly biased bloggers want me to believe, I want to read what is actually said and done.

[conversationpc]

I didn't say they didn't. I posed a question to where they were and stated that I haven't seen their arguments and ideas.

I realize you didn't say that specifically. However, the impetus behind the question seemed to be that they hadn't introduced any bills.

[RocknRoll]

Who did you hear this from, Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck? I am guessing Hannity came up with this doozy. There is nothing socialist about providing health care for its' citizens. In fact it's quite responsible to in fact do what the Democrats in Congress just did. You want to call it Socialism, I guess you can, if you want to be laughed at by level headed people, however, Obie is blazing a trail, one of which is a proud one of brotherhood and compassion. This vote was absolutely the right thing to do, and sitting on the sidelines, smugly voting no at every turn, denouncing this bill as a joke, offering no ideas whatsoever, is A) cowardly and B) selfish. I hope that the republicans can look in the mirror at themselves and find some sort of humanity. I wouldn't bet on it. I'll take an American like Obama and Biden and Pelosi, rather than the likes of Boehner, Cantor or Michelle Bachman. You want to call my side socialists? Well your side is plain fucking selfish.

Deano - The reason the Republicans continued to vote no is the fact the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group refused to listen or consider their proposals. This all goes back to the "Won" and their attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else. This is a bad bill!! Nobody argues we don't need Health Care reform. It's how do we do it right to protect the American people and our future? Obama and crew couldn't wait for that. I seriously don't understand the rush to pass a bad bill.

Remember - I do not watch FOX.

1.) The reasons why Republicans continued to vote no is that they want things their way or no way and they don't want to give an inch to the other side and let them be credited. They have no interest in working together in the peoples best interest but are out for their own, in my opinion, by not budging even when they agree with ideas just because the ideas aren't their own.
2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.
3.) Partisan politics is why many things don't get accomplished "for the good of the people" and is why a bill couldn't be better then it is. The day when people stop fighting each other and work together on solutions with only the desire to do whats best for everyone instead of only whats best for themselves and a few, is when there will be more perfect solutions for all.

Blueskies - I've made it a practice to not read your posts.

Typical Republican. You refuse to hear and consider opposing views. It's your way or no way.

My comment was addressed to Deano. I'd love to continue the discussion with him and/or Lulu.

[Blueskies]

Who did you hear this from, Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck? I am guessing Hannity came up with this doozy. There is nothing socialist about providing health care for its' citizens. In fact it's quite responsible to in fact do what the Democrats in Congress just did. You want to call it Socialism, I guess you can, if you want to be laughed at by level headed people, however, Obie is blazing a trail, one of which is a proud one of brotherhood and compassion. This vote was absolutely the right thing to do, and sitting on the sidelines, smugly voting no at every turn, denouncing this bill as a joke, offering no ideas whatsoever, is A) cowardly and B) selfish. I hope that the republicans can look in the mirror at themselves and find some sort of humanity. I wouldn't bet on it. I'll take an American like Obama and Biden and Pelosi, rather than the likes of Boehner, Cantor or Michelle Bachman. You want to call my side socialists? Well your side is plain fucking selfish.

Deano - The reason the Republicans continued to vote no is the fact the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group refused to listen or consider their proposals. This all goes back to the "Won" and their attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else. This is a bad bill!! Nobody argues we don't need Health Care reform. It's how do we do it right to protect the American people and our future? Obama and crew couldn't wait for that. I seriously don't understand the rush to pass a bad bill.

Remember - I do not watch FOX.

1.) The reasons why Republicans continued to vote no is that they want things their way or no way and they don't want to give an inch to the other side and let them be credited. They have no interest in working together in the peoples best interest but are out for their own, in my opinion, by not budging even when they agree with ideas just because the ideas aren't their own.
2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.
3.) Partisan politics is why many things don't get accomplished "for the good of the people" and is why a bill couldn't be better then it is. The day when people stop fighting each other and work together on solutions with only the desire to do whats best for everyone instead of only whats best for themselves and a few, is when there will be more perfect solutions for all.

Blueskies - I've made it a practice to not read your posts.

Typical Republican. You refuse to hear and consider opposing views. It's your way or no way.

My comment was addressed to Deano. I'd love to continue the discussion with him and/or Lulu.

I've made that same argument before when I was debating someone one on one but no one considered that as an option on this forum and many jumped in many times with their 2 cents. Like it or not this is an open public forum where anyone can comment at will so if you want to be guaranteed a one on one debate then the only way to get it is in private in PM.

[Lula]

Deano - The reason the Republicans continued to vote no is the fact the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group refused to listen or consider their proposals. This all goes back to the "Won" and their attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else. This is a bad bill!! Nobody argues we don't need Health Care reform. It's how do we do it right to protect the American people and our future? Obama and crew couldn't wait for that. I seriously don't understand the rush to pass a bad bill.

Remember - I do not watch FOX.

there are 200 or so ammendments in the bill by republicans. as for rushing to pass the bill... debate on the issue has been going on for the past year with obama at the helm and howm many years prior? it was teddy's life work as ell as others who have been advocating for reform for many years.

as it stands, with the republicans stalling it in the senate, the cornhusker kick back is law. they had better get it together and start governing.

[conversationpc]

there are 200 or so ammendments in the bill by republicans.

Republican amendments or not doesn't make it a bill in total that is acceptable to conservatives. Both parties typically offer amendments to bills generated in the other party but, at the end of the day, if the final bill is not acceptable, then it's just that, not acceptable, regardless of if your amendment is in the bill or not.

[The_Noble_Cause]

2.) Where is the Republicans version of a good bill if they don't like this one? I've yet to read one.

Could that be because all the alternative bills they offered (and there were multiple bills) were shot down by the Democrat-controlled Congress?

The GOP did offer their own version, and the CBO scored it too.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... lternative

[Rockindeano]

Deano - The reason the Republicans continued to vote no is the fact the Obama/Pelosi/Reid group refused to listen or consider their proposals. This all goes back to the "Won" and their attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else. This is a bad bill!! Nobody argues we don't need Health Care reform. It's how do we do it right to protect the American people and our future? Obama and crew couldn't wait for that. I seriously don't understand the rush to pass a bad bill.

Remember - I do not watch FOX.

Buzz! Wrong. The GOP didn't offer one Goddamned thing to this bill, until month number 8, when they sort of mumbled "people should be able to buy insurance across state lines." Please don't give me this "we were shut out of the process bull. Obama invited the GOP leadership many many times over to the White House to discuss this. Many times, no one bothered to go. Towards the end, Obama held an all day round table with GOP Senators and they did show up, but mocked the entire thing by having the 2700 page bill opened up in front of them on their desk, sighing in disbelief on how big it was, yet they never offered one idea, not one. Please, if I have this wrong, then please point this out to me. Show me once where a GOP Congressperson so much as offered up one idea, proposal, anything for that matter. You're right though, they did comment on the bill though, most certainly very vocal as well. Screaming down speakers at town halls where the Dem speaker was trying to explain the bill to the very citizens he/she represented. Screaming them down, threatening them, yelling obscenities at them..yeah, that was very constructive I tell you, very constructive. That didn't end either. Sarah Palin went on a talk show tour and lied at each and every one of them, telling the audiences that the Gov't was going to pull the plug on Granny and that death panels were going to be present in this bill. of course, all of us with a brain knows this to be false, and that Palin directly and purposefully lied, to scare citizens and in particular, seniors. Thank goodness AARP stepped forward and denounced Palin's lies by telling the truth about the bill and ultimately, backing it's passage. I tend to think that seniors will believe AARP rather than a lying Sarah Palin, a governor who just quit on her state, and someone frankly who isn't very bright. Hell, let's just call her what she is: fucking stupid.

The very fact that you refer to the President of the United States as the "Won" is funny, as other Limbaugh fans on this site commonly use the term that Fatso coined.

You also mention that "Obama and his crew's "attitude that they could do what they wanted and screw everyone else" doesn't play either. Had they really wanted to, they could have pushed this thing through a year ago. The fact is, they did ask for bi partisan help and support to frame this bill, and that's what led to the lengthy debate and bickering which took a years time. Obama, if anything, was too nice, too accommodating to the republicans, only for them to come back and give him the middle finger- He could have rammed this down their throats a long time ago, but he didn't.

So your points about the GOP voting "no" and Obama rushing to get this done is just plain wrong and in fact it is almost humorous. We hear these same identical talking points nightly on FOX where Hannity repeats them over and over.

You say you don't understand why there was a "rush to pass this bad bill." Well RnR, it took well over a year to get it done. There was no rush. The fact that it was obvious the GOP was going to do absolutely nothing to help write it, and the fact they want nothing to do with it might explain why you personally think it's a bad bill. The fact is, the bill, while addressing important issues, could have been even stronger, more progressive. it was clear from the lack of anything GOP, they weren't going to ever get Single Payer or Public Option, Obama had to take what was givin to him. it's a start, that's for sure, and when people start to see how good this really is, and they start to see the help it will bring them, then slowly but most surely, people are going to ask themselves, why the republican party wanted nothing to do with this, and they will remember, and when the Dems once again get some heavy duty power in both Houses, they can go for the Public Option. This is going to bury one party or the other. You Cons may certainly think it's the Dems who are going under. That's fine and good, but to do that, you must sit home and seriously hope this law fails miserably; basically, you have to hope people continue to get sick, lose their insurance, lose their homes, and lose their lives, in order to come out smelling like a rose. The very fact that the GOP cannot see that theses are desperate times in the world of health care, and the fact that they sat and did nothing, speaks volumes about their party. Good luck pubbies, and good luck hoping this fails.

Edit- TNC posted the GOP plan...I was fairly accurate in that I said it came in the 8th month, but if you read "their plan" it's really only about a paragraph or two, covers 3 million people, so I just throw that "plan" in the circular file. That "plan" could have been drafted by FF in 30 minutes as he ate dinner at Hooters. That was no plan, that was a weak assed attempt at nothing. Hell, I would embarrassed if I presented that. Pure garbage.

[Rockindeano]

if ITS SUCH A GREAT BILL... why did congress, the white house, the committee and their staff... why did they WRITE THEMSELFS out of the bill... so they could be covered by something else entirely???? JUST A THOUGHT AND A QUESTION... Grassley from Iowa is forcing the issue...if you talk the talk...... and its so great... THE AUTHOR of the bill should be first in line...and he is not...

LOL, there's no reaching you. You're a cool guy and all Rick, and if you need help booking a family on #5 or #6, feel free to ask me for advice, but I give up you regarding this issue. Just make sure you vote republican all will be fine in Iowa. Remember, Obama won that state last time around.

[conversationpc]

I'm not sure if I have the final copy of the bill that passed the House (H.R. 3962) but I found this somewhat disturbing...In the "National High Risk Pool Program" section, which I take is referring to those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get standard insurance, starting on page 25...

INSUFFICIENT FUNDS.—If the Secretary estimates for any fiscal year that the aggregate amounts available for payment of expenses of the high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the expenses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or establishing waiting lists.

I thought one of the purposes of this legislation was to get IMMEDIATE coverage for ALL people with pre-existing conditions who cannot get insurance? Yet this plan is already setting forth conditions where these people can have their benefits changed at any time, their premiums increased by who knows what amount, and placed on a waiting list that is who knows how long. If anyone thinks this WON'T happen, I've got a few bridges in my back yard I'd like to sell you.

Anyone going to bother responding to this one?

[Lula]

there are 200 or so ammendments in the bill by republicans.

Republican amendments or not doesn't make it a bill in total that is acceptable to conservatives. Both parties typically offer amendments to bills generated in the other party but, at the end of the day, if the final bill is not acceptable, then it's just that, not acceptable, regardless of if your amendment is in the bill or not.

my point is/was to address the statement of non inclusion of republican proposals. not saying it is acceptable to anyone.

[conversationpc]

there are 200 or so ammendments in the bill by republicans.

Republican amendments or not doesn't make it a bill in total that is acceptable to conservatives. Both parties typically offer amendments to bills generated in the other party but, at the end of the day, if the final bill is not acceptable, then it's just that, not acceptable, regardless of if your amendment is in the bill or not.

my point is/was to address the statement of non inclusion of republican proposals. not saying it is acceptable to anyone.

Gotcha.

[RocknRoll]

Dean - I just skimmed through your response and need more time to respond, but just 2 quick points.

I got the term "Won" from this site. I kinda liked it since it did seem to fit.

I love this country and don't want to see disaster for any of it's citizens, today or in the future.

Now I have to go get ready to have some fun while I still can.

[Ftloperry]

FTLOPerry, I also respect your thoughts as well, and hope I did not come across as mean spirited here, but it is a passionate issue. I guess we just think differently, that's all and that's ok too.

Deano this is a passionate issue and I enjoy reading all the points of view from all sides and I do so enjoy your points of view as well. We all have difference of opinions on this...we always will. Your a good man Deano and I didn't take anything you said mean spirited.

[Behshad]

FTLOPerry, I also respect your thoughts as well, and hope I did not come across as mean spirited here, but it is a passionate issue. I guess we just think differently, that's all and that's ok too.

Deano this is a passionate issue and I enjoy reading all the points of view from all sides and I do so enjoy your points of view as well. We all have difference of opinions on this...we always will. Your a good man Deano and I didn't take anything you said mean spirited.

Neal ?

[Rockindeano]

FTLOPerry, I also respect your thoughts as well, and hope I did not come across as mean spirited here, but it is a passionate issue. I guess we just think differently, that's all and that's ok too.

Deano this is a passionate issue and I enjoy reading all the points of view from all sides and I do so enjoy your points of view as well. We all have difference of opinions on this...we always will. Your a good man Deano and I didn't take anything you said mean spirited.

Neal ?

Stop it. Neal Schon is a great man who deserves nothing but the utmost respect and the most loyal praise one can humanly give to another, except that Mr. Schon is anything but human...the man is a god! And those curls! WOOT WOOT!

[conversationpc]

BUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

No way!! No, they did not!!

[Behshad]

FTLOPerry, I also respect your thoughts as well, and hope I did not come across as mean spirited here, but it is a passionate issue. I guess we just think differently, that's all and that's ok too.

Deano this is a passionate issue and I enjoy reading all the points of view from all sides and I do so enjoy your points of view as well. We all have difference of opinions on this...we always will. Your a good man Deano and I didn't take anything you said mean spirited.

Neal ?

Stop it. Neal Schon is a great man who deserves nothing but the utmost respect and the most loyal praise one can humanly give to another, except that Mr. Schon is anything but human...the man is a god! And those curls! WOOT WOOT!

did YOU just say WOOT ??

[JH'sTXfan]

I can't believe they published it that way.