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Saint John wrote:donnaplease wrote:I guess doctors and nurses should be the next in line for loan forgiveness then,given what we're looking at in the future.
No way. This is just another veiled attempt to subconsciously push government bailout and/or government dependence. You borrow ... you pay. No fucking exceptions; not ever. The American way is education, hard work, savings and responsibility. This sock monkey look-alike president we have is virtually wiping out the final 3 aforementioned qualities that made this country great. I paid off my student loans and it took me 10 years. No complaints and no help. Had there been, I wouldn't have taken it anyway. Pretty simple ... if you have pride.
conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:donnaplease wrote:I guess doctors and nurses should be the next in line for loan forgiveness then,given what we're looking at in the future.
No way. This is just another veiled attempt to subconsciously push government bailout and/or government dependence. You borrow ... you pay. No fucking exceptions; not ever. The American way is education, hard work, savings and responsibility. This sock monkey look-alike president we have is virtually wiping out the final 3 aforementioned qualities that made this country great. I paid off my student loans and it took me 10 years. No complaints and no help. Had there been, I wouldn't have taken it anyway. Pretty simple ... if you have pride.
Sock monkey look-alike?
Oh...no, no, no, Matty! This may work for a very small fraction of these brilliant minds, but not all!!!Ehwmatt wrote:Rockindeano wrote:donnaplease wrote:
I guess doctors and nurses should be the next in line for loan forgiveness then,given what we're looking at in the future.
Absolutely, and it's going to happen in order to fill more positions now that there are going to be 32 million more customers. It's a worthwhile idea, which most countries use that have nationalized health care.
What would really be nice to happen is for the educational model/pathway to becoming a doctor to shift to a quasi-European style model to allow doctors to get to medical school and start learning their craft earlier. It's pretty stupid to make people go through 4 years of science in college just to get to med school. I don't know if it'd be smart to let them come right outta HS, because then you wind up with a bunch of parfait-types running around medical schools thinking they're awesome, but it'd be nice to see if they could switch to a one or two-year intensive science curriculum and MCAT to help people (a) become doctors quicker and (b) not incur the ridiculous 8-year+ debt load of living and tuition loans. I mean really, by the time you finish residency, you're looking at about 10 years of bills. It's terrible.
There's a million permutations on that theme too that I can think of... like requiring a year or two of an internship under practicing medical professionals AND a year of intensive science training+MCAT, etc. The system they have now is just asinine from a financial standpoint. Whatever benefits we get from well-rounded, liberal arts educated doctors is most definitely cancelled out by the absurd process one has to go through.
I'm VERY partial to the internship-first model myself, as I think a LOT of people get into professions like the medical, legal, and accounting fields without knowing what it's really about and for the wrong reasons (eg parents over-encouraging it, greed, misconceptions of the job description, any combination of those factors and more).
Michigan Girl wrote:Oh...no, no, no, Matty! This may work for a very small fraction of these brilliant minds, but not all!!!Ehwmatt wrote:Rockindeano wrote:donnaplease wrote:
I guess doctors and nurses should be the next in line for loan forgiveness then,given what we're looking at in the future.
Absolutely, and it's going to happen in order to fill more positions now that there are going to be 32 million more customers. It's a worthwhile idea, which most countries use that have nationalized health care.
What would really be nice to happen is for the educational model/pathway to becoming a doctor to shift to a quasi-European style model to allow doctors to get to medical school and start learning their craft earlier. It's pretty stupid to make people go through 4 years of science in college just to get to med school. I don't know if it'd be smart to let them come right outta HS, because then you wind up with a bunch of parfait-types running around medical schools thinking they're awesome, but it'd be nice to see if they could switch to a one or two-year intensive science curriculum and MCAT to help people (a) become doctors quicker and (b) not incur the ridiculous 8-year+ debt load of living and tuition loans. I mean really, by the time you finish residency, you're looking at about 10 years of bills. It's terrible.
There's a million permutations on that theme too that I can think of... like requiring a year or two of an internship under practicing medical professionals AND a year of intensive science training+MCAT, etc. The system they have now is just asinine from a financial standpoint. Whatever benefits we get from well-rounded, liberal arts educated doctors is most definitely cancelled out by the absurd process one has to go through.
I'm VERY partial to the internship-first model myself, as I think a LOT of people get into professions like the medical, legal, and accounting fields without knowing what it's really about and for the wrong reasons (eg parents over-encouraging it, greed, misconceptions of the job description, any combination of those factors and more).
I'm much more comfortable knowing that my physicians are well rounded and well educated.
Why not reduce the cost of med school~ somehow, someway!!!
Rockindeano wrote:Oh Cons, WTF is this? 162,000 jobs added in March. Unemployment at 9.7%. Big companies hiring.
Slowly but surely, the economy is recovering.
Saint John wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:donnaplease wrote:I guess doctors and nurses should be the next in line for loan forgiveness then,given what we're looking at in the future.
No way. This is just another veiled attempt to subconsciously push government bailout and/or government dependence. You borrow ... you pay. No fucking exceptions; not ever. The American way is education, hard work, savings and responsibility. This sock monkey look-alike president we have is virtually wiping out the final 3 aforementioned qualities that made this country great. I paid off my student loans and it took me 10 years. No complaints and no help. Had there been, I wouldn't have taken it anyway. Pretty simple ... if you have pride.
Sock monkey look-alike?
Google image "sock monkey" and it's a dead ringer for Obama. Try "Curious George," too, while you're at it.
Rockindeano wrote:LOL, you are home and not working today I see.
Saint John wrote:Rockindeano wrote:LOL, you are home and not working today I see.
I'm off today for Good Friday ... company paid. And, for the record, I write the work days down on my full desk calendar. I have worked 64 straight days this year (that's every one, btw). I still have all 15 vacation days remaining.Additionally, I have never taken off a work day for being sick. Not one day ever.
conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Rockindeano wrote:LOL, you are home and not working today I see.
I'm off today for Good Friday ... company paid. And, for the record, I write the work days down on my full desk calendar. I have worked 64 straight days this year (that's every one, btw). I still have all 15 vacation days remaining.Additionally, I have never taken off a work day for being sick. Not one day ever.
conversationpc wrote:Never?
conversationpc wrote:Have you gone to work sick?
conversationpc wrote:I was off sick yesterday. Pisses me off when people come to work sick instead of staying home.
conversationpc wrote:Ends up making productivity lower if people are either working sick or get sick because of someone else coming in and spreading it around.
Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Rockindeano wrote:Oh Cons, WTF is this? 162,000 jobs added in March. Unemployment at 9.7%. Big companies hiring.
Slowly but surely, the economy is recovering.
conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Build pissed off coworkers more than it does character. I only ever take sick days when I'm actually sick. This was actually the first sick day I've used in nearly two years for myself. Other than that, I only use sick time for dental/doctor appointments and when I have to take my daughter to appointments.
conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Build pissed off coworkers more than it does character. I only ever take sick days when I'm actually sick. This was actually the first sick day I've used in nearly two years for myself. Other than that, I only use sick time for dental/doctor appointments and when I have to take my daughter to appointments.
Saint John wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Build pissed off coworkers more than it does character. I only ever take sick days when I'm actually sick. This was actually the first sick day I've used in nearly two years for myself. Other than that, I only use sick time for dental/doctor appointments and when I have to take my daughter to appointments.
I was just busting your balls, Dave. That's the only time I've been sick in 4 years, excluding ear infections, which pose no threat to others.
Saint John wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Build pissed off coworkers more than it does character. I only ever take sick days when I'm actually sick. This was actually the first sick day I've used in nearly two years for myself. Other than that, I only use sick time for dental/doctor appointments and when I have to take my daughter to appointments.
I was just busting your balls, Dave. That's the only time I've been sick in 4 years, excluding ear infections, which pose no threat to others.
Fact Finder wrote:Wife and I are self-employed and neither of us has had a sick day off in 22 years. We've been sick, strep throat, an occasional cold or stomach bug, but damnit, shit needs done and we somehow do it. We also only take major holidays off and usually 1 week of va-ca a year, excluding last years trip to England for our Daughters Wedding and that was 12 days. I insisted on being back on a Wednesday flight so we wouldn't loose Thursday and Fridays income. I just couldn't stand the thought of losing two full weeks of pay.
Rockindeano wrote:Saint John wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Build pissed off coworkers more than it does character. I only ever take sick days when I'm actually sick. This was actually the first sick day I've used in nearly two years for myself. Other than that, I only use sick time for dental/doctor appointments and when I have to take my daughter to appointments.
I was just busting your balls, Dave. That's the only time I've been sick in 4 years, excluding ear infections, which pose no threat to others.
Hey Dan, you didn't give me any props about going to work heavily intoxicated, the last time we hung out in Santa Monica, remember that doozy? I couldn't see straight, let alone talk at all. I fucked up everything that night.
Saint John wrote:Rockindeano wrote:Saint John wrote:conversationpc wrote:Saint John wrote:Working through adversity and toughing out being sick builds character!
Build pissed off coworkers more than it does character. I only ever take sick days when I'm actually sick. This was actually the first sick day I've used in nearly two years for myself. Other than that, I only use sick time for dental/doctor appointments and when I have to take my daughter to appointments.
I was just busting your balls, Dave. That's the only time I've been sick in 4 years, excluding ear infections, which pose no threat to others.
Hey Dan, you didn't give me any props about going to work heavily intoxicated, the last time we hung out in Santa Monica, remember that doozy? I couldn't see straight, let alone talk at all. I fucked up everything that night.
Dude, that was admirable. We drank heavily that night. Man, that was fun. Between you and your Liquid Ass and me calling Kobe Bryant a rapist in a room full of about 200 Lakers fans, what a great night of drinking!
Rockindeano wrote:I am getting a couple more bottles of Liquid Ass. I will send you one..Spray down your office early in the a.m., and I bet the boss calls off work for the day. It festers and lingers for countless hours. What you should do is spray it in Tito's car, roll up the windows and let it bake in the sun all day. He will heave chunks for hours upon hours. He won't be able to drive that heap of shit for days.![]()
Saint John wrote:donnaplease wrote:I guess doctors and nurses should be the next in line for loan forgiveness then,given what we're looking at in the future.
No way. This is just another veiled attempt to subconsciously push government bailout and/or government dependence. You borrow ... you pay. No fucking exceptions; not ever. The American way is education, hard work, savings and responsibility. This sock monkey look-alike president we have is virtually wiping out the final 3 aforementioned qualities that made this country great. I paid off my student loans and it took me 10 years. No complaints and no help. Had there been, I wouldn't have taken it anyway. Pretty simple ... if you have pride.
7 Wishes wrote:There's nothing like getting "data" from the Heritage Foundation when it comes to unencumbered, unbiased information. Sort of like getting your "news" from Glenn Beck.
Anyway, if you want to arm-wrestle about defecits, let's start talking about Ronnie Reagan (don't forget that while the defecit tripled under his watch, the economy, which had been growing at 4%, grew at a meager 2.5% as trickle-down failed miserably).
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