Question for Deano

[Michigan Girl]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF! .

It's true, but I was being facetious ...I try never to speak for anyone but myself!!
Anything else is just hearsay ...won't hold up in a court of law

I only like two songs on TBF.

je men fou

[Rockindeano]

I only like two songs on TBF.

je men fou

Steve, she said "she doesn't give a damn/fuck."

[Michigan Girl]

Well, he needs to give Neal a call to help him. That album will be knocked ot in no time.

No thanks ...we don't need any more Revelation type knock offs!! :wink:

How could something with Perry be a Revelation type knock off?

The only place Revelation needs to be knocked of is the counter, straight into the trash can. Just no replay value at all, unfortunately. Arrival is really becoming the gold standard for the band's post Perry work. As low as the bar was set with that album, nothing else Journey has done the last few years really compares artistically. I really hope this new album will be as different as Neal has proclaimed. TDTWT was a great song but one song does not an album make. If money really isn't an issue, go ahead and make something cutting edge for a change.
Van Halen got away with it, and they had all the pressure in the world on them. Granted, not too many bands are going to land a Sammy Hagar type member who isn't afraid of leading. Journey has no expectations at all this late in the game, what's the harm in taking a risk?

I agree that they need to come up with something different and I think they will. But, I think Revelation has some great tunes besides TDTWT, CFTB is one of their best rockers in a long time, I won't count NWA cause I know " Its Just rehashed" or AATY " its a country western song" But WIN is a superb song, Arnels Vocals on this are classic and rival Perry IMO. And lastly, Neal's playing on this album is actually the best thing about it, better than TBF or Arrival, I listen to it a least once a week just to hear him.

I agree w/the bolded and certainly see your point!!

[steveo777]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF! .

It's true, but I was being facetious ...I try never to speak for anyone but myself!!
Anything else is just hearsay ...won't hold up in a court of law

I only like two songs on TBF.

je men fou

??? I ran that thru a translator and it still doesn't compute, but I think you said I am a madman?

[Rockindeano]

Steve, she said "she doesn't give a damn/fuck."

[steveo777]

Steve, she said "she doesn't give a damn/fuck."

Typical

[Since 78]

Well, he needs to give Neal a call to help him. That album will be knocked ot in no time.

No thanks ...we don't need any more Revelation type knock offs!! :wink:

How could something with Perry be a Revelation type knock off?

The only place Revelation needs to be knocked of is the counter, straight into the trash can. Just no replay value at all, unfortunately. Arrival is really becoming the gold standard for the band's post Perry work. As low as the bar was set with that album, nothing else Journey has done the last few years really compares artistically. I really hope this new album will be as different as Neal has proclaimed. TDTWT was a great song but one song does not an album make. If money really isn't an issue, go ahead and make something cutting edge for a change.
Van Halen got away with it, and they had all the pressure in the world on them. Granted, not too many bands are going to land a Sammy Hagar type member who isn't afraid of leading. Journey has no expectations at all this late in the game, what's the harm in taking a risk?

I agree that they need to come up with something different and I think they will. But, I think Revelation has some great tunes besides TDTWT, CFTB is one of their best rockers in a long time, I won't count NWA cause I know " Its Just rehashed" or AATY " its a country western song" But WIN is a superb song, Arnels Vocals on this are classic and rival Perry IMO. And lastly, Neal's playing on this album is actually the best thing about it, better than TBF or Arrival, I listen to it a least once a week just to hear him.

I agree w/the bolded and certainly see your point!!

Also, please note that I made no mention of double platinum.

[Don]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

[Jana]

Well, he needs to give Neal a call to help him. That album will be knocked ot in no time.

No thanks ...we don't need any more Revelation type knock offs!! :wink:

How could something with Perry be a Revelation type knock off?

The only place Revelation needs to be knocked of is the counter, straight into the trash can. Just no replay value at all, unfortunately. Arrival is really becoming the gold standard for the band's post Perry work. As low as the bar was set with that album, nothing else Journey has done the last few years really compares artistically. I really hope this new album will be as different as Neal has proclaimed. TDTWT was a great song but one song does not an album make. If money really isn't an issue, go ahead and make something cutting edge for a change.
Van Halen got away with it, and they had all the pressure in the world on them. Granted, not too many bands are going to land a Sammy Hagar type member who isn't afraid of leading. Journey has no expectations at all this late in the game, what's the harm in taking a risk?

I agree that they need to come up with something different and I think they will. But, I think Revelation has some great tunes besides TDTWT, CFTB is one of their best rockers in a long time, I won't count NWA cause I know " Its Just rehashed" or AATY " its a country western song" But WIN is a superb song, Arnels Vocals on this are classic and rival Perry IMO. And lastly, Neal's playing on this album is actually the best thing about it, better than TBF or Arrival, I listen to it a least once a week just to hear him.

I really enjoy the album. Some gems on it. And surprise surpise, I really didn't like AATY in the beginning, and I really like that song now. I know most MRers don't seem to care for the album (but when it came out the reviews were better on here), but when I look at reviews from longtime Journey fans on Amazon a lot of great positives on the album. Love CFTB, especially live. WIN is just a great song with Arnel's vocals a standout, and even much better with the extended version b/c Neal's solo is awesome. Too bad they didn't do it that way on the albm. I don't care what anybody says, I love Like a Sunshower.
TDTWT is the best song on the album.

Neal's playing on this (LAS) is very old-school Journey sound to me, love it, but with a southern rock sound twist to the song. Love the husky vocals by Arnel, and great tone on this song by him. Love the piano melody and backing vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Acq2VdUyvOI&hl ... fs=1&rel=0

[Since 78]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

The reason I Don't upgrade my system, no worries about sound production. As long as it plays loud enough, I'm good![/i]

[Don]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

The reason I Don't upgrade my system, no worries about sound production. As long as it plays loud enough, I'm good![/i]

My hearing is shot and it still sounds bad. Systems built during the 70s and 80s were a lot better than these little box units they have now. The problem with the older stuff is power consumption.

I used to love showing off my Onkyo and Nakamichi gear, even If I could power a small South American Country with it.

[Since 78]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

The reason I Don't upgrade my system, no worries about sound production. As long as it plays loud enough, I'm good![/i]

My hearing is shot and it still sounds bad. Systems built during the 70s and 80s were a lot better than these little box units they have now. The problem with the older stuff is power consumption.

I used to love showing off my Onkyo and Nakamichi gear, even If I could power a small South American Country with it.

Those were the day's weren't they!

[Saint John]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

Agreed. It sounded so much better live.

[brywool]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF!

I only like two songs on TBF.

+1. As a Journey album, it's WAY below the mark. Arrival and Revelation are better albums.

[Michigan Girl]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF!

I only like two songs on TBF.

+1. As a Journey album, it's WAY below the mark. Arrival and Revelation are better albums.

Do you feel as though you just know what everyone's opinion is going to be around here, too?!?!?

[brywool]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF!

I only like two songs on TBF.

+1. As a Journey album, it's WAY below the mark. Arrival and Revelation are better albums.

Do you feel as though you just know what everyone's opinion is going to be around here, too?!?!?

Well...

To me, there are songs on it that just are extremely dull. "Just the Rain", and "Trial By Fire" for 2. They go nowhere and I know some people (usually the women) love them. "Message of Love" was more a rehash of "Separate Ways" than "Never Walk Away" was of "Be Good To Yourself". "Can't Tame the Lion", "When You Love a Women", "I Can See it in Your Eyes", and Easy to Fall are amazingly good tracks. "Castles Burning" goes on for about a half hour too long and Perry's newscaster thing just sounds silly. The rest of it sounds like For the Love of Strange Medicine to me. Not that interesting.

Has nothing to do with Perry by the way (though his voice was pretty wrecked on the album), but THE SONGS just weren't there to me. I believe that I played Arrival more than TBF. I don't HATE it, I just think that after that time off, it could've been a much better album. I also didn't appreciate some of the distortion on Perry's voice that was added. Sounds like the mic was a bit overdriven on a few songs and while that might be neat for "Fall Out Boy" on Steve Perry's voice, it wasn't appreciated at least by me.

[Ehwmatt]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF!

I only like two songs on TBF.

+1. As a Journey album, it's WAY below the mark. Arrival and Revelation are better albums.

Do you feel as though you just know what everyone's opinion is going to be around here, too?!?!?

Well...

To me, there are songs on it that just are extremely dull. "Just the Rain", and "Trial By Fire" for 2. They go nowhere and I know some people (usually the women) love them. "Message of Love" was more a rehash of "Separate Ways" than "Never Walk Away" was of "Be Good To Yourself". "Can't Tame the Lion", "When You Love a Women", "I Can See it in Your Eyes", and Easy to Fall are amazingly good tracks. "Castles Burning" goes on for about a half hour too long and Perry's newscaster thing just sounds silly. The rest of it sounds like For the Love of Strange Medicine to me. Not that interesting.

Has nothing to do with Perry by the way (though his voice was pretty wrecked on the album), but THE SONGS just weren't there to me. I believe that I played Arrival more than TBF. I don't HATE it, I just think that after that time off, it could've been a much better album. I also didn't appreciate some of the distortion on Perry's voice that was added. Sounds like the mic was a bit overdriven on a few songs and while that might be neat for "Fall Out Boy" on Steve Perry's voice, it wasn't appreciated at least by me.

Not a fan of If He Should Break Your Heart? That's one of my fave Journey tunes of all time. I also like Forever In Blue. Big arrival fan too

[Rockindeano]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

The reason I Don't upgrade my system, no worries about sound production. As long as it plays loud enough, I'm good![/i]

My hearing is shot and it still sounds bad. Systems built during the 70s and 80s were a lot better than these little box units they have now. The problem with the older stuff is power consumption.

I used to love showing off my Onkyo and Nakamichi gear, even If I could power a small South American Country with it.

There really aren't all that many small countries in south America, G.

[Rockindeano]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF!

I only like two songs on TBF.

+1. As a Journey album, it's WAY below the mark. Arrival and Revelation are better albums.

Do you feel as though you just know what everyone's opinion is going to be around here, too?!?!?

Well...

To me, there are songs on it that just are extremely dull. "Just the Rain", and "Trial By Fire" for 2. They go nowhere and I know some people (usually the women) love them. "Message of Love" was more a rehash of "Separate Ways" than "Never Walk Away" was of "Be Good To Yourself". "Can't Tame the Lion", "When You Love a Women", "I Can See it in Your Eyes", and Easy to Fall are amazingly good tracks. "Castles Burning" goes on for about a half hour too long and Perry's newscaster thing just sounds silly. The rest of it sounds like For the Love of Strange Medicine to me. Not that interesting.

Has nothing to do with Perry by the way (though his voice was pretty wrecked on the album), but THE SONGS just weren't there to me. I believe that I played Arrival more than TBF. I don't HATE it, I just think that after that time off, it could've been a much better album. I also didn't appreciate some of the distortion on Perry's voice that was added. Sounds like the mic was a bit overdriven on a few songs and while that might be neat for "Fall Out Boy" on Steve Perry's voice, it wasn't appreciated at least by me.

Interesting Bry. I just listened to Lost Angels and Espee sounds rough on that, however, the production is very raw. That was done only about a year or two earlier than TBF.

[Ehwmatt]

TBF is great, I love it ...everyone I know prefers TBF to Arrival, but we love Arrival!!

and ROR ...love, love, love it!!!

You need to get new friends. Arrival ownz TBF!

I only like two songs on TBF.

+1. As a Journey album, it's WAY below the mark. Arrival and Revelation are better albums.

Do you feel as though you just know what everyone's opinion is going to be around here, too?!?!?

Well...

To me, there are songs on it that just are extremely dull. "Just the Rain", and "Trial By Fire" for 2. They go nowhere and I know some people (usually the women) love them. "Message of Love" was more a rehash of "Separate Ways" than "Never Walk Away" was of "Be Good To Yourself". "Can't Tame the Lion", "When You Love a Women", "I Can See it in Your Eyes", and Easy to Fall are amazingly good tracks. "Castles Burning" goes on for about a half hour too long and Perry's newscaster thing just sounds silly. The rest of it sounds like For the Love of Strange Medicine to me. Not that interesting.

Has nothing to do with Perry by the way (though his voice was pretty wrecked on the album), but THE SONGS just weren't there to me. I believe that I played Arrival more than TBF. I don't HATE it, I just think that after that time off, it could've been a much better album. I also didn't appreciate some of the distortion on Perry's voice that was added. Sounds like the mic was a bit overdriven on a few songs and while that might be neat for "Fall Out Boy" on Steve Perry's voice, it wasn't appreciated at least by me.

Interesting Bry. I just listened to Lost Angels and Espee sounds rough on that, however, the production is very raw. That was done only about a year or two earlier than TBF.

Deano, what are your thoughts on TBF? Not sure I've heard you talk about it before

[Don]

I like NWA a little bit, the production on that song is bad though. It sounds muffled to me.

The reason I Don't upgrade my system, no worries about sound production. As long as it plays loud enough, I'm good![/i]

My hearing is shot and it still sounds bad. Systems built during the 70s and 80s were a lot better than these little box units they have now. The problem with the older stuff is power consumption.

I used to love showing off my Onkyo and Nakamichi gear, even If I could power a small South American Country with it.

There really aren't all that many small countries in south America, G.

I could power Suriname with it. Guiana and Uruguay aren't too large either. French Guiana is smaller but it's not really a country, more an overseas region of France so I can't include that one.

[Saint John]

Deano, what are your thoughts on TBF? Not sure I've heard you talk about it before

Watch out for keywords like "mature" and "sophisticated." They're code for boring as shit.

TBF has 2 good songs (MOL and FIB) and 2 great songs (WYLAW and IHSBYH). The rest are pretty much shit. For a destroyed voice it's about as good as it could have been. The ability to sing a rock song simply wasn't there anymore.

[Ehwmatt]

Deano, what are your thoughts on TBF? Not sure I've heard you talk about it before

Watch out for keywords like "mature" and "sophisticated." They're code for boring as shit.

I enjoy the album a lot, but I tend to listen to Neal's guitar more than anything else on this album. He really diversified his playing on this album. It's still indisputably Neal, but it's not the same old stuff we came to expect. It was probably his last consistently melodic lead guitar performance throughout the entire album. Arrival had some great moments (Higher Place outro solo, Signs of Life solo, All The Way solo, Livin To Do), Generations had two melodic moments (Faith in the Heartland and Beyond the Clouds - everything else just shred or crap) and Rev really only had two (NWA Intro solo and WIN even though I don't care for the song). The other thing about TBF is how often he uses the nice clean lead tone. It's just something different that's a really nice change of pace for me to listen to as a guitarist.

[Jana]

am I the only one on here to be bothered by the hollow sound of some of his upper register vocals on tbf? It really bothered my ears. One other person on here mentioned it and called it tin like, and they are right. But no one else on MR seems to notice that. Even some of the boring songs I could enjoy with Steve Perry's great tone, but that upper register hollow sound really bothers my ears on so many of the songs. I try not to notice it but I can't help it. It's one reason why I don't enjoy listening to the whole album even on a nice rainy day, which that CD is suited for. His vocals did not sound like that on ROR.

[Ehwmatt]

am I the only one on here to be bothered by the hollow sound of some of his upper register vocals on tbf? It really bothered my ears. One other person on here mentioned it and called it tin like, and they are right. But no one else on MR seems to notice that. Even some of the boring songs I could enjoy with Steve Perry's great tone, but that upper register hollow sound really bothers my ears on so many of the songs. I try not to notice it but I can't help it. It's one reason why I don't enjoy listening to the whole album even on a nice rainy day, which that CD is suited for. His vocals did not sound like that on ROR.

Example of the phenomenon you are talking about? Give a song and preferably a certain part of the vocal, too. I shall listen and give my take.

[Saint John]

am I the only one on here to be bothered by the hollow sound of some of his upper register vocals on tbf? It really bothered my ears. One other person on here mentioned it and called it tin like, and they are right. But no one else on MR seems to notice that. Even some of the boring songs I could enjoy with Steve Perry's great tone, but that upper register hollow sound really bothers my ears on so many of the songs. I try not to notice it but I can't help it. It's one reason why I don't enjoy listening to the whole album even on a nice rainy day, which that CD is suited for. His vocals did not sound like that on ROR.

Example of the phenomenon you are talking about? Give a song and preferably a certain part of the vocal, too. I shall listen and give my take.

Pretty much all of MOL shows a really fragile, hollow voice. I Can See It IN Your Eyes, too. It's much more evident on the "rock" songs. His power and ability to "lift off," as Herbie put it, was gone.

[Jana]

am I the only one on here to be bothered by the hollow sound of some of his upper register vocals on tbf? It really bothered my ears. One other person on here mentioned it and called it tin like, and they are right. But no one else on MR seems to notice that. Even some of the boring songs I could enjoy with Steve Perry's great tone, but that upper register hollow sound really bothers my ears on so many of the songs. I try not to notice it but I can't help it. It's one reason why I don't enjoy listening to the whole album even on a nice rainy day, which that CD is suited for. His vocals did not sound like that on ROR.

Example of the phenomenon you are talking about? Give a song and preferably a certain part of the vocal, too. I shall listen and give my take.

I either mispaced TBF a few months ago or loaned it out b/c I haven't been able to find it. On youtube hard for me to tell from my computer, rather than listening to it on a good sound system. But I remember this is one of the songs - Forever in Blue. It's just that his vocals are thinner now when singing higher and sometimes throughout some songs with it thinner is when it bothers me with a more hollow sound, instead of full sounding. You can hear it periodically throughout this song. I thought it was just me until someone else mentioned it last year, but no one else seems to be bothered by it or notice it.
I noticed it the first time I ever listened to the album, and was so disappointed b/c I really wanted to love the album but just couldn't get past that on certain songs. If I listen to it a lot, I get acclimated to it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/XZHEMhE0GXA&hl ... fs=1&rel=0

[portland]

am I the only one on here to be bothered by the hollow sound of some of his upper register vocals on tbf? It really bothered my ears. One other person on here mentioned it and called it tin like, and they are right. But no one else on MR seems to notice that. Even some of the boring songs I could enjoy with Steve Perry's great tone, but that upper register hollow sound really bothers my ears on so many of the songs. I try not to notice it but I can't help it. It's one reason why I don't enjoy listening to the whole album even on a nice rainy day, which that CD is suited for. His vocals did not sound like that on ROR.

Example of the phenomenon you are talking about? Give a song and preferably a certain part of the vocal, too. I shall listen and give my take.

Pretty much all of MOL shows a really fragile, hollow voice. I Can See It IN Your Eyes, too. It's much more evident on the "rock" songs. His power and ability to "lift off," as Herbie put it, was gone.

Oh for Christ's Sakes!!!! There was enough there for NEAL is GOD to GO AND HIT THE STUDIO FOR TBF!!!


He was the fucking "VOICE" of Journey...even Schon knows it!!!!


Whatever!!! you all can say what you want!!! AND THE ONES WHO LOVE THE VOICE ARE DELUSIONAL??

The ones who dissect TBF are the ones who don't GET it....ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!

[Jana]

am I the only one on here to be bothered by the hollow sound of some of his upper register vocals on tbf? It really bothered my ears. One other person on here mentioned it and called it tin like, and they are right. But no one else on MR seems to notice that. Even some of the boring songs I could enjoy with Steve Perry's great tone, but that upper register hollow sound really bothers my ears on so many of the songs. I try not to notice it but I can't help it. It's one reason why I don't enjoy listening to the whole album even on a nice rainy day, which that CD is suited for. His vocals did not sound like that on ROR.

Example of the phenomenon you are talking about? Give a song and preferably a certain part of the vocal, too. I shall listen and give my take.

Pretty much all of MOL shows a really fragile, hollow voice. I Can See It IN Your Eyes, too. It's much more evident on the "rock" songs. His power and ability to "lift off," as Herbie put it, was gone.

Oh for Christ's Sakes!!!! There was enough there for NEAL is GOD to GO AND HIT THE STUDIO FOR TBF!!!


He was the fucking "VOICE" of Journey...even Schon knows it!!!!


Whatever!!! you all can say what you want!!! AND THE ONES WHO LOVE THE VOICE ARE DELUSIONAL??

The ones who dissect TBF are the ones who don't GET it....ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!

now your response is strange. Put down the wine, Porticia. No one said anyone is delusional. What are you talking about? Journey has the most consistently great albums, and save one of the classic ones that isn't my favorite, they're all amazing albums during Perry years for the most part, and so some of us don't rave over TBF and discuss it and you can't handle it and find it offensive. That has nothing to do with his body of work. We're not Stepford fans who adore every single thing our favs put out. Even I can find fault with U2 and Bono on certain albums or songs and admit their last effort fell short vocally on many songs and melodically. I'm still their loyal fan.

BTW, TBF has some great songs on, which I've named them all b/f on here.

[portland]

Hey Jana no wine here...and yes there are differences that you all make VERY clear!!!


We will see what comes next....It had better be good...ya can't ride the coat tails forever...ya know??

and actually my lack of posting should tell the story...I really don't care anymore!

It's over..Perry was the voice of Journey....the rest is trying to "capture" what was!!! and it can't be done..it's over.

Soooooooo the tribute band hits the road...and well we will see...good luck the "GLORY" days are over,