Look at the lengths our need to be PC has gone to

[Ehwmatt]

LOL. Look at this story. University of North Dakota is changing its nickname from The Fighting Sioux in an effort to be PC and because the name is "hostile and offensive." Nevermind the fact that many of the Indians themselves want the school to KEEP the nickname, damnit, we must be PC! I suppose next to go will be the "Fighting Irish" - after all, a diminutive leprechaun with his hackles raised is very offensive to those of the heritage, right?

Stories like these make me realize that things are just getting so absurd in this country that you just can't do anything but laugh any more. I mean really, don't we have any better way to use our resources and time?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5068989

MAYVILLE, N.D. -- A state Supreme Court ruling and a Board of Higher Education decision have retired for good the University of North Dakota's Fighting Sioux nickname after a four-year legal battle.

The court ruled Thursday that the board had the authority to dump the nickname at any time. The court rejected an appeal that sought to delay action.

A motion later Thursday at the board's regularly scheduled meeting in Mayville to reconsider its vote in May to retire the nickname died after nobody seconded it.

Claus Lembke, the board member who made the failed motion, said the board was "giving in to a minority of people on the issue."

Board president Richie Smith had said before the vote that he thought no further action was required to retire the nickname.

Board member and university alumnus Grant Shaft said afterward that he believes most people are tired of the controversy.

"I think people have moved to the point, for a number of reasons, that they wanted this to move along," Shaft said.

UND president Robert Kelley, who was hired in part to help the school in its transition from Division II to Division I athletics, said he's looking forward to managing the nickname transition.

"It's hard sitting on your hands waiting for a deliberate process to run its course, not knowing what the outcome would be," Kelley said after the board meeting. "Now that we have a decision from the state board, we can move ahead."

In their ruling, the justices said the board had the authority to change the nickname before a Nov. 30 deadline set in a settlement with the NCAA. A group of eight Spirit Lake Sioux tribal members who want the school to keep the nickname were seeking to have the court bar any decision before the deadline.

The state Supreme Court said nothing in the settlement prevents the board from making a decision before the deadline.

Supporters believe the logo shows pride and tradition. But the NCAA considers the nickname "hostile and offensive" and said UND cannot host postseason events without approval from the state's two Sioux tribes. Under the settlement, the board and UND agreed to begin retiring the nickname if they couldn't obtain permission from the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes by Nov. 30.

Spirit Lake tribal members have voted to support the nickname, but the Standing Rock tribal council has resisted calls for it to change its bylaws to allow a vote on the issue.

A district judge dismissed the Spirit Lake members' lawsuit in December. The state Supreme Court agreed to hear an expedited appeal after UND officials pleaded with the board to decide the issue quickly so the school could pursue admission to the Summit League.

Summit League president Tom Douple has said UND won't be considered for admission until the school finds a solution that makes the NCAA happy.

The Spirit Lake members' attorney, Patrick Morley, didn't return a call Thursday seeking comment.

Shaft said he doesn't think it'll make a difference if Standing Rock decides to support the logo.

"With the makeup of the board right now, I don't think we have the opportunity to bring it back for reconsideration," Shaft said.

[lights1961]

more proof that adults that have uncontrolled power are stupid...

[Suzanne]

more proof that adults that have uncontrolled power are stupid...

+1

[Saint John]

Indians are always crying about something. They did this same shit with Chief Illiniwek at the University of Illinois and forced him into retirement.

[Ehwmatt]

Indians are always crying about something. They did this same shit with Chief Illiniwek at the University of Illinois and forced him into retirement.

Did you read the story dude? The Indians WANT the name! Or at least the one tribe does. It's the NCAA that is forcing the change because they are afraid it is "hostile and offensive."

[Don]

Indians are always crying about something. They did this same shit with Chief Illiniwek at the University of Illinois and forced him into retirement.

Two cases of Guinness along with a lifetime subscription to Avon, and BAM!!!, Chief Illiniwek will be back in the saddle again.
You've got to know how to deal with these people.

[LtVanish]

This is so offensive




They need to change the name of the Indians to the Lake Erie Carp.

[Ehwmatt]

This is so offensive




They need to change the name of the Indians to the Lake Erie Carp.

I hope you're joking, if not, get the fuck outta here.

I was so glad when they brought the Chief back after kowtowing to the demands of the PC groups. Get a fucking job and contribute something to society.

[Saint John]

Indians are always crying about something. They did this same shit with Chief Illiniwek at the University of Illinois and forced him into retirement.

Did you read the story dude? The Indians WANT the name! Or at least the one tribe does. It's the NCAA that is forcing the change because they are afraid it is "hostile and offensive."

I don't give a shit about one tribe, Matt. "The NCAA has banned the use of some American Indian nicknames and logo in postseason tournaments, saying they are hostile and abusive." They banned the use of some nicknames because of incessant bitching from Indians. I'm surprised Florida State has made it this long. And there were dissenting opinions over the Fighting Sioux name name.

[Don]

This is so offensive




They need to change the name of the Indians to the Lake Erie Carp.

True, who's ever seen an Indian with nice teeth like that fucker's sportin'?

[LtVanish]

This is so offensive




They need to change the name of the Indians to the Lake Erie Carp.

I hope you're joking, if not, get the fuck outta here.

I was so glad when they brought the Chief back after kowtowing to the demands of the PC groups. Get a fucking job and contribute something to society.

Of course I am joking, getting rid of Chief Wahoo is a baseball crime.

[Ehwmatt]

What is it that makes Indians so prone to alcoholism? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Don]

What is it that makes Indians so prone to alcoholism? Inquiring minds want to know.

The same thing that made them prone to chicken pox. Absolutely no immunity when it was introduced to them. They were puffers, not drinkers. Once they got the fucking taste in their blood, they were hooked.

[steveo777]

What is it that makes Indians so prone to alcoholism? Inquiring minds want to know.

They are inherently not able to process alcohol the same way everyone else does, would be my guess.

[Don]

Imagine when alcohol first hit the scene and EVERBODY was rolling around like drunk injuns. The rest of our forefathers built up a tolerance to it quite a few hundred years before we introduced native Americans to it.

[steveo777]

Imagine when alcohol first hit the scene and EVERBODY was rolling around like drunk injuns. The rest of our forefathers built up a tolerance to it quite a few hundred years before we introduced native Americans to it.

You're on it ^


http://www.guilford.edu/original/Academ ... gwalt.html

Chemistry and the Rez:

Possible Links to Genetic Alcoholism in American Indians

One of the most deeply ingrained stereotypes about American Indian life is that all Native Americans are alcoholics. Old western films often showed an American Indian, drunk to foolishness, next to a bar begging for beer. There are stories about chiefs giving up miles of land for a taste of "fire water". Injun’ Joe in Tom Sawyer was rarely described as being sober. In modern culture, cops regularly stop American Indian owned cars to check to see if the driver is drunk, even if the driver is showing no apparent driving difficulties. While the stereotype of the drunk Indian is both unjust and dangerous (it has lead many American Indians to drink), it does have some basis in social reality and scientific facts. For a long time it was believed that American Indian problems with drinking, both on the reservations and off, were based solely in social dilemmas. Certainly, many Indians have gotten drunk to forget, to escape, to create and to destroy.

However, recent studies have begun to indicate that there are also chemical reasons behind these problems, things that whites, due to thousands of years of biological adjustments to alcohol, do not have to worry about as much. These issues, relating to simple intoxication, non-social drinking, and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, all play a part in why both reservation and urban Indians have such a difficulty tolerating alcohol. This intolerance to alcohol in turn leads to an increase in binge drinking and long-term problems on the reservation.

One of the problems with discussing American Indian Alcoholism is that different tribes have different biological problems with alcoholism. Therefore there are no problems that can be universally dealt with among tribes.

Metabolizing –

Human bodies have enzymes within their bodies that help them to metabolize alcohol at a certain rate, to get the alcohol out of both the bloodstream and the body. Spreading throughout one’s body, alcohol is almost completely metabolized in the liver where enzymes begin to turn the ethanol into CO2 and water (What happens when you drink). For a white of normal weight and normal height, the amount of time it takes for 1/3 an oz of alcohol (aprox. one beer) to leave the body is about an hour. However, depending on location, different ethnic groups have a higher or lower toleration of alcohol due to the amount of time it takes to metabolize. Interestingly, there have been studies done on different reservations that show that certain tribes have a higher or lower tolerance of alcohol due to the effectiveness of these enzymes (Kelley). With both those with higher and lower tolerances, this can cause problems. Native Americans who metabolize alcohol at a slower than "normal" rate tend to have a lower toleration of alcohol and can therefore become drunk much faster. When one is binge drinking, either with friends or alone, this can cause extreme alcohol poising and often death. At the same time, other Native Americans who have a higher tolerance and are able to metabolize alcohol more quickly get drunk less quickly. This higher tolerance tends to cause more long-term problems and also can be highly dangerous in the short term when the drinker takes far too many drinks.

[Ehwmatt]

Asians lack some kind of enzyme too, or at least certain ones do. One of my best friends and keyboard player is a small filipino guy, can't be more than 135 soaking wet and about 5'4, great guy, gets slammed off of three or four beers.

[Don]

Imagine when alcohol first hit the scene and EVERBODY was rolling around like drunk injuns. The rest of our forefathers built up a tolerance to it quite a few hundred years before we introduced native Americans to it.

You're on it ^


http://www.guilford.edu/original/Academ ... gwalt.html

Chemistry and the Rez:

Possible Links to Genetic Alcoholism in American Indians

One of the most deeply ingrained stereotypes about American Indian life is that all Native Americans are alcoholics. Old western films often showed an American Indian, drunk to foolishness, next to a bar begging for beer. There are stories about chiefs giving up miles of land for a taste of "fire water". Injun’ Joe in Tom Sawyer was rarely described as being sober. In modern culture, cops regularly stop American Indian owned cars to check to see if the driver is drunk, even if the driver is showing no apparent driving difficulties. While the stereotype of the drunk Indian is both unjust and dangerous (it has lead many American Indians to drink), it does have some basis in social reality and scientific facts. For a long time it was believed that American Indian problems with drinking, both on the reservations and off, were based solely in social dilemmas. Certainly, many Indians have gotten drunk to forget, to escape, to create and to destroy.

However, recent studies have begun to indicate that there are also chemical reasons behind these problems, things that whites, due to thousands of years of biological adjustments to alcohol, do not have to worry about as much. These issues, relating to simple intoxication, non-social drinking, and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, all play a part in why both reservation and urban Indians have such a difficulty tolerating alcohol. This intolerance to alcohol in turn leads to an increase in binge drinking and long-term problems on the reservation.

One of the problems with discussing American Indian Alcoholism is that different tribes have different biological problems with alcoholism. Therefore there are no problems that can be universally dealt with among tribes.

Metabolizing –

Human bodies have enzymes within their bodies that help them to metabolize alcohol at a certain rate, to get the alcohol out of both the bloodstream and the body. Spreading throughout one’s body, alcohol is almost completely metabolized in the liver where enzymes begin to turn the ethanol into CO2 and water (What happens when you drink). For a white of normal weight and normal height, the amount of time it takes for 1/3 an oz of alcohol (aprox. one beer) to leave the body is about an hour. However, depending on location, different ethnic groups have a higher or lower toleration of alcohol due to the amount of time it takes to metabolize. Interestingly, there have been studies done on different reservations that show that certain tribes have a higher or lower tolerance of alcohol due to the effectiveness of these enzymes (Kelley). With both those with higher and lower tolerances, this can cause problems. Native Americans who metabolize alcohol at a slower than "normal" rate tend to have a lower toleration of alcohol and can therefore become drunk much faster. When one is binge drinking, either with friends or alone, this can cause extreme alcohol poising and often death. At the same time, other Native Americans who have a higher tolerance and are able to metabolize alcohol more quickly get drunk less quickly. This higher tolerance tends to cause more long-term problems and also can be highly dangerous in the short term when the drinker takes far too many drinks.

I know I'm right. I'm a product of our public school system before it went all to hell, back when we had to know about Plato and Aristades, or the meaning of Bastille Day and what was actually written in the Constitution.

[Don]

Asians lack some kind of enzyme too, or at least certain ones do. One of my best friends and keyboard player is a small filipino guy, can't be more than 135 soaking wet and about 5'4, great guy, gets slammed off of three or four beers.

Asians, particularly Japs, also have a problem because of their diet including red beans. Something in it doesn't mix well and gives them massive hangovers after eating it and pounding alcohol.

[steveo777]

Asians lack some kind of enzyme too, or at least certain ones do. One of my best friends and keyboard player is a small filipino guy, can't be more than 135 soaking wet and about 5'4, great guy, gets slammed off of three or four beers.

My wife passes out if she drinks 2 glasses of wine, which she has no tolerance to, since she only drinks once or twice a year. I'd never have to worry about her abusing drugs or alcohol. They're just not her thing at all.

[Ehwmatt]

Asians lack some kind of enzyme too, or at least certain ones do. One of my best friends and keyboard player is a small filipino guy, can't be more than 135 soaking wet and about 5'4, great guy, gets slammed off of three or four beers.

My wife passes out if she drinks 2 glasses of wine, which she has no tolerance to, since she only drinks once or twice a year. I'd never have to worry about her abusing drugs or alcohol. They're just not her thing at all.

My buddy is a fuckin trip when he gets hammered, just because his 4 beer drunkenness is the average guy's "pretty fuckin drunk" stage - he's never talked about bad hangovers, but I think he must get hungover pretty bad because he always monitors himself these days. He was hilarious til he was 22 or so.

[Saint John]

3 fucking times today I saw the words "alleged Fort Hood shooter ... " What? Are you fucking kidding me?!?! He's an Islamic terrorist, just like every single one of them. Fuck that religion and anyone that practices it. Time to shut down mosques and tell them dune coons that they're not welcome in this country. All they're doing is preaching hatred towards America and funneling money back home to fund terrorism. Fuck 7-11, too!

[Rick]

This is so offensive




They need to change the name of the Indians to the Lake Erie Carp.

LMFAO!!!