OFFICIAL NFL Week by Week Thread:

[YoungJRNY]

Steelers trade Holmes to Jets for fifth round pick. Seems pretty meager for a player of his caliber. I'm guessing his contract has one year left on it or something? They're definitely making him the fall guy. Big Dumbass Ben has caused a few more headaches than Holmes in his career so far...

The Jets could be quite a force in the AFC if Sanchez can clean up his turnovers. Shoulda never gotten LT.

Not really, if anything it's been equally troubling. Santonio has brushed up with the law since his first days into becoming a Steeler. 3 outta the 4 years he was here, he was charged at least for something, the prime thing being drugs and marijuana. In 2008 he was suspended a game, and now he's being accused of a night club incident AND missing his court date. The uncapped year is here, and the Steelers going into the '10 season facing a problem with Holmes during a 4 game suspension? Bad timing, time to rid of this garbage that's been happening in Pittsburgh.

Jets will be tough, but remember they are run first with a 2nd year QB at the helm. Atleast the Jets got their receiver. Now we'll see how he acts in the BIG APPLE. This should be good.

[Ehwmatt]

Browns RB Chris Jennings arrested, suspicions of assault outside a night club. I hang out in this area all the time, too bad I wasn't out alst night to see this goof get his.

Seems like the Browns and the Steelers, ever rivals, are competing with one another for most criminal charges and misconduct incidents this offseason.

Hit the road Jennings. Too bad, he showed some potential last year. He ran well against the Steelers in our win over them.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04 ... ested.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns' Chris Jennings was arrested early Saturday downtown.

The 24-year-old running back ran into trouble with a doorman at the Warehouse District dance club, The Velvet Dog, according to a Cleveland police officer familiar with the incident.

Jennings was taken to City Jail about 2:15 a.m. Satruday, where he was still being held as of 8:15 a.m. Saturday on suspicion of assault, police said. He has not been charged with a crime.

Jennings played two years at Arizona State University, before joining the CFL Montreal Alouettes. The Browns signed him in August as an undrafted free agent.
Jennings played in nine games last season, running for a total of 220 yards, according to the team's Web site.

He was re-signed by the team in March.

[YoungJRNY]

Browns RB Chris Jennings arrested, suspicions of assault outside a night club. I hang out in this area all the time, too bad I wasn't out alst night to see this goof get his.

Seems like the Browns and the Steelers, ever rivals, are competing with one another for most criminal charges and misconduct incidents this offseason.

Hit the road Jennings. Too bad, he showed some potential last year. He ran well against the Steelers in our win over them.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04 ... ested.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns' Chris Jennings was arrested early Saturday downtown.

The 24-year-old running back ran into trouble with a doorman at the Warehouse District dance club, The Velvet Dog, according to a Cleveland police officer familiar with the incident.

Jennings was taken to City Jail about 2:15 a.m. Satruday, where he was still being held as of 8:15 a.m. Saturday on suspicion of assault, police said. He has not been charged with a crime.

Jennings played two years at Arizona State University, before joining the CFL Montreal Alouettes. The Browns signed him in August as an undrafted free agent.
Jennings played in nine games last season, running for a total of 220 yards, according to the team's Web site.

He was re-signed by the team in March.

Cleveland is used to such things. Steelers country has been calm up to the point of around 2006. Players do stupid shit on occasion and you hear about it, but assault and rape allegations is something this city is NOT used to.

Jennings should either be traded or suspended for 2-4 games for putting himself in that "situation."

They should bring back celebrity death match.

Santonio Holmes VS Chris Jennings

Main event: (Stipulation) Ladder Match. Winner claims a key to the strippers pole inside a cage with nude women of their choice.
Ben Roethlisberger VS Tiger Woods
* Special guest ref Shaun Rodgers.

[mikemarrs]

the jets are stocking up on free agents.they are doing what the redskins normally do during free agency every year.wonder if it will pay off this upcoming year.we've seen the redskins do this year in and year out but it never seemed to work.one difference though is the jets are already a pretty good team where the redskins have been pretty mediocre in the dan snyder era.

[YoungJRNY]

the jets are stocking up on free agents.they are doing what the redskins normally do during free agency every year.wonder if it will pay off this upcoming year.we've seen the redskins do this year in and year out but it never seemed to work.one difference though is the jets are already a pretty good team where the redskins have been pretty mediocre in the dan snyder era.

I'm not sold on the "N.Y JETS Super Bowl 2010" squad.

Mark Sanchez is entering his second year in the NFL, possibly one of the toughest transition years of ANY NFL quarterback at the stage of their career. IMO, last season he's showed tremendous poise for a rookie QB that you just can't measure anywhere else when talking rookie Quarterbacking and I give him major props. Fact of the matter is, he's been GOOD at times, and just plain ATROCIOUS. The Jets started fast, hit a major speed bump, hit an all time low, but was fortunate enough to get help from teams that usually don't offer it. The cards fell perfectly in place for them and they needed to beat 2 backed up playoff teams to enter the tournament. They played well in the playoffs & played just good enough against a below average first round opponent in Cincy. The Chargers shot themselves in the foot just like every other year and gagged, which led them to them finally getting stomped in by an over matching Peyton Manning and company.

They made some hefty moves in the off-season, but I'm not sold on that offense ran by a second year Sanchez, or a defense that can keep up the intensity throughout the entire season. It just is yet to be remained seen, and by the way they entered the post season last season has some major question marks as if to say can they do it on their own this time with different set of hardcore circumstance. Regardless, they look great on paper.

[Ehwmatt]

the jets are stocking up on free agents.they are doing what the redskins normally do during free agency every year.wonder if it will pay off this upcoming year.we've seen the redskins do this year in and year out but it never seemed to work.one difference though is the jets are already a pretty good team where the redskins have been pretty mediocre in the dan snyder era.

I'm not sold on the "N.Y JETS Super Bowl 2010" squad.

Mark Sanchez is entering his second year in the NFL, possibly one of the toughest transition years of ANY NFL quarterback at the stage of their career. IMO, last season he's showed tremendous poise for a rookie QB that you just can't measure anywhere else when talking rookie Quarterbacking and I give him major props. Fact of the matter is, he's been GOOD at times, and just plain ATROCIOUS. The Jets started fast, hit a major speed bump, hit an all time low, but was fortunate enough to get help from teams that usually don't offer it. The cards fell perfectly in place for them and they needed to beat 2 backed up playoff teams to enter the tournament. They played well in the playoffs & played just good enough against a below average first round opponent in Cincy. The Chargers shot themselves in the foot just like every other year and gagged, which led them to them finally getting stomped in by an over matching Peyton Manning and company.

They made some hefty moves in the off-season, but I'm not sold on that offense ran by a second year Sanchez, or a defense that can keep up the intensity throughout the entire season. It just is yet to be remained seen, and by the way they entered the post season last season has some major question marks as if to say can they do it on their own this time with different set of hardcore circumstance. Regardless, they look great on paper.

Pretty much my thoughts on the Jets squad, though I do believe that their D is defiinitely for real. I think the LT signing is retarded though and of course, it will remain to be seen how the divas Braylon and Santonio work together

[YoungJRNY]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

[mikemarrs]

:lol:

fact finder you forgot to put berger on the end of the jersey.its rapistberger.

[YoungJRNY]

Ben made a lot of dumb decisions in his life.. one being to bang chicks. So be it.

On the other hand, he never made a dumb enough decision to set himself up to be a flaming homo.

[YoungJRNY]

Pretty good read:

http://www.cbssports.com/print/columns/ ... ;btn-print

I don't want to live in a world where an accusation is tantamount to a conviction. That's what happened in Salem, Mass., a few centuries ago. People were accused of witchcraft. Proof? There was no proof, just accusations. But accusations were enough. And so innocent people died.

I don't want to live there.

Roger Goodell lives there.

Roger Goodell scares the hell out of me.

And it wasn't always this way. When Goodell as NFL commissioner unveiled his personal conduct policy in 2007, it was new, needed, even noble. The policy read, and I quote, "It will be considered conduct detrimental [for league personnel] to engage in ... violent and/or criminal activity." The policy went on to describe the line in the sand that could not be crossed, and that line was this: an arrest or a legal charge. A player didn't have to be convicted of a crime to be suspended; he had to be "arrested or charged," a phrase that appeared three times in the conduct policy.

And I loved it. The court system can take forever, and legal finagling often reduces charges to unrecognizable, even negligible levels. For example, domestic battery is often reduced to disturbing the peace, and a DUI arrest can be pleaded down to reckless driving. Goodell can't suspend a guy for disturbing the peace or for reckless friggin' driving, so he goes after the original charge. And we should understand. Tank Johnson and Pacman Jones were charged with all sorts of heinous crimes, and Goodell hammered them. Before all the lawyer wrangling, there was plenty of legal smoke, so Goodell brought the fire. Good for him, and good for his cynical but smart line in the sand.

But in recent weeks, Goodell has moved that line. Where did he move it? He moved it toward Salem, Mass. He moved it somewhere scary:

It's no longer necessary that there be enough evidence of "violent and/or criminal activity" for police to make an arrest or file charges. Nope. Now, an accusation is enough.

Goodell's new line in the sand was outlined in a memo leaked last week, a memo that reads, and I quote: "Every investigation, arrest, or other allegation of improper conduct ... threatens the continued success of our brand."

See that? An arrest is no longer needed. Forget about a conviction. Now, an "allegation" will do.

It makes me wonder ...

I live in Cincinnati. I see the occasional Cincinnati Bengal out at a bar. If I accused any of them of punching me in the face, could I get them suspended?

Hey, Commissioner. Carson Palmer and Chad Ochocinco decked me -- get 'em!

The news peg for my column, obviously, is Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. He has been accused of sexual assault by two different women, most recently last month in Georgia. In both instances, police looked into the woman's accusations. In both instances, the district attorney reviewed the evidence and declined to take the case to trial. Roethlisberger wasn't convicted. He wasn't even charged.

But Goodell wants him suspended anyway. In hindsight, it seems obvious to me that Roethlisberger was the reason for that memo last week, and for the new line in the sand. In that memo, Goodell went all revisionist history when he wrote, and I quote, "Unfortunately, in recent weeks there have been several negative incidents ... that we have previously identified as particularly troublesome [such as] allegations of violence against women."

See what Goodell did there? We have previously identified ... allegations of violence against women.

Liar.

"Allegations" were never previously identified. That was never the line in the sand. Arrests and charges were identified. That was the line in sand: Arrests. Charges.

But now, "allegations" are enough. And let's be honest: They are rather horrific allegations. Sexual assault on a woman by anyone, much less by a 240-pound professional football player, is evil if true. Allegations like that must be taken seriously -- deathly seriously. And they were. Cops in Nevada investigated one accusation and found that the alleged victim had told friends she was hoping for "a little Roethlisberger" after the encounter, which sounds nothing like sexual assault to me. Cops in Georgia investigated the other charge, which sounded much more serious. In any event, neither state found enough evidence to go forward.

No matter to Goodell. He has been talking with the Steelers about how to deal with Roethlisberger, with Steelers president Art Rooney II saying it's a matter of time before Roethlisberger is disciplined. Said Rooney on Thursday: "When we get to the point where we have agreed with the commissioner on what that action will be, that's when it will be imposed."

In other words, this won't be an NFL suspension -- yet it'll be a Roger Goodell production anyway. If the Steelers, on their own, want to suspend Roethlisberger for a pattern of immaturity that makes the team look bad, that would be their right. He's their employee. If the Steelers want to suspend Roethlisberger, do it.

But Goodell is involved, redrawing his line in the sand to a location that should curdle the blood of every player in the league. Because if Roethlisberger goes down for this, anybody could be next. No charges? No problem. All the NFL needs is an allegation.

To understand how strongly I feel about this position, you have to understand how strongly I dislike Ben Roethlisberger. He's a serial idiot -- a stupid, cocky caricature of the modern-day athlete. Teammates don't like him. I can't stand him. I tolerate his existence by ignoring him whenever possible, but I can't ignore what Goodell is about to do -- not merely to Roethlisberger, but to my idea of justice. Suspending a player for one or two incidents that didn't merit a single criminal charge is an injustice. Once upon a time, Goodell had the right idea when it came to policing his league. But that time has gone. The NFL has become a police state. Enough is enough.

Never thought I would say this, but I'm saying it:

Roger Goodell must be stopped.

[mikemarrs]

the patriots just signed torry holt to a one year deal.

the vikings at saints will be the opening thursday night season game.

[YoungJRNY]

This could be cool..

The National Football League has scheduled exclusively division games for the final week of the 2010 regular season, commissioner Roger Goodell told ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning" on Tuesday.

The full 2010 schedule will be released Tuesday night.

Goodell reminded hosts Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic that in a previous appearance on the show, he said he intended to push as many division games as possible into the last three weeks of the season.

"We actually have 28 divisional games in those last three weeks, as opposed to 15 for the 2009 season, and all 16 of the final Week 17 games will be divisional games," Goodell said on "Mike & Mike in the Morning."

Great move by the NFL, and that should be PERMANENT. Division win's are huge and are apart of the marginal success within the NFL playoff system. This means the last few weeks of the season, teams won't have the problem of "laying down" and us having to watch a 44-3 blowout of a team resting, while the other team is playing for a spot in the post-season that could effect other team's chances while they play their hearts out against others' starters.

[Since 78]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

[YoungJRNY]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

Here's a story.. Kobe Bryant was accused, in very vivid detail, of choking and holding down a girl to rape her. There are even worse details in the case. A case, might I add, that sounds worse than any of Ben's. What did the Lakers do? As a team and an organization, they stood by his side throughout the entire process. Bryant even went to trial.

We're going to have to live with it.. IT being an accusation. My first knee-jerk reaction was of course, that our image took a severe hit, was to release ties with him. Once you begin to think about the further investigation, you have to realize that there is two sides to every story, and Ben has not yet spoken of it. Ben has not been charged with any crime, NOR was he even arrested for that matter. This woman was completley sloshed out of her mind and now Ben's body guards AND police officers that were first respondent are now telling what happening inside, and outside and it is VERY telling of how messed up this girl actually was. If you are believing the accusation and the allegation of inebriated, underage college sorority girls, then you have to take Bens side of the story into consideration to make it fair judgment.

Law enforcement couldn't even get down to the nitty gritty and come to any determination for pressing charges against him, so, how far could it have actually gone if virtually NO evidence was present? He said she said. Unfortunately, it's Ben and the girl who ONLY know what actually happened that night, and even the CHICK isn't 100% on the matter. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A franchise quarterback only comes along ever so often, and we invested OH SO MUCH into him to cut ties with him off of allegations. He deserves a right to make it right and turn his act the whole way around for the better of Pittsburgh. Innocent until proven guilty before a court of law, and if that's the case, he is indeed innocent. You certainly don't fuck with the Rooney's but they are also FAIR.

And now I'm just ready for some football.

[mikemarrs]

hey youngjrny i think they leaked steelers schedule early,not sure.....

here in a hour or so the whole schedule should be out.

Regular season

Sunday, Sept. 12 vs. Atlanta, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Sept. 19 at Tennessee, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Sept. 26 at Tampa Bay, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 3 vs. Baltimore, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 10 Bye weeks

Sunday, Oct. 17 vs. Cleveland, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 24 at Miami, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 31 at New Orleans, 8:20 p.m.

Monday, Nov. 8 at Cincinatti, 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 14 vs. New England, 8:20 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 21 vs. Oakland, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 28 at Buffalo, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Dec. 5 at Baltimore, 8:20 p.m.

Sunday, Dec. 12 vs. Cincinatti, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Dec. 19 vs. NY Jets, 4:15 p.m.

Thursday, Dec. 23 vs. Carolina, 8:20 p.m.

Sunday, Jan. 2 at Cleveland, 1 p.m.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10110/10 ... z0lg0IiqDL

[Ehwmatt]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

Here's a story.. Kobe Bryant was accused, in very vivid detail, of choking and holding down a girl to rape her. There are even worse details in the case. A case, might I add, that sounds worse than any of Ben's. What did the Lakers do? As a team and an organization, they stood by his side throughout the entire process. Bryant even went to trial.

We're going to have to live with it.. IT being an accusation. My first knee-jerk reaction was of course, that our image took a severe hit, was to release ties with him. Once you begin to think about the further investigation, you have to realize that there is two sides to every story, and Ben has not yet spoken of it. Ben has not been charged with any crime, NOR was he even arrested for that matter. This woman was completley sloshed out of her mind and now Ben's body guards AND police officers that were first respondent are now telling what happening inside, and outside and it is VERY telling of how messed up this girl actually was. If you are believing the accusation and the allegation of inebriated, underage college sorority girls, then you have to take Bens side of the story into consideration to make it fair judgment.

Law enforcement couldn't even get down to the nitty gritty and come to any determination for pressing charges against him, so, how far could it have actually gone if virtually NO evidence was present? He said she said. Unfortunately, it's Ben and the girl who ONLY know what actually happened that night, and even the CHICK isn't 100% on the matter. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A franchise quarterback only comes along ever so often, and we invested OH SO MUCH into him to cut ties with him off of allegations. He deserves a right to make it right and turn his act the whole way around for the better of Pittsburgh. Innocent until proven guilty before a court of law, and if that's the case, he is indeed innocent. You certainly don't fuck with the Rooney's but they are also FAIR.

And now I'm just ready for some football.

On a pure football level, it's outright foolishness to get rid of Ben at this point.

But, given the alleged standards that the Rooneys have, he shoulda been riding outta town on the same bus as Santonio. Last I read, no charges are forthcoming against Santonio either, yet he was traded pretty quickly. Between the two rape allegations and his retarded bike accident, Ben has caused just as many headaches for the franchise as Santonio has, more or less.

Either the Rooneys have this great standard of conduct or they don't, regardless of what player it is. You can't have it both ways. The implication is that the Rooneys are FAIR(er) depending on what player is involved, not that they have some great objective standard.

[Since 78]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

Here's a story.. Kobe Bryant was accused, in very vivid detail, of choking and holding down a girl to rape her. There are even worse details in the case. A case, might I add, that sounds worse than any of Ben's. What did the Lakers do? As a team and an organization, they stood by his side throughout the entire process. Bryant even went to trial.

We're going to have to live with it.. IT being an accusation. My first knee-jerk reaction was of course, that our image took a severe hit, was to release ties with him. Once you begin to think about the further investigation, you have to realize that there is two sides to every story, and Ben has not yet spoken of it. Ben has not been charged with any crime, NOR was he even arrested for that matter. This woman was completley sloshed out of her mind and now Ben's body guards AND police officers that were first respondent are now telling what happening inside, and outside and it is VERY telling of how messed up this girl actually was. If you are believing the accusation and the allegation of inebriated, underage college sorority girls, then you have to take Bens side of the story into consideration to make it fair judgment.

Law enforcement couldn't even get down to the nitty gritty and come to any determination for pressing charges against him, so, how far could it have actually gone if virtually NO evidence was present? He said she said. Unfortunately, it's Ben and the girl who ONLY know what actually happened that night, and even the CHICK isn't 100% on the matter. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A franchise quarterback only comes along ever so often, and we invested OH SO MUCH into him to cut ties with him off of allegations. He deserves a right to make it right and turn his act the whole way around for the better of Pittsburgh. Innocent until proven guilty before a court of law, and if that's the case, he is indeed innocent. You certainly don't fuck with the Rooney's but they are also FAIR.

And now I'm just ready for some football.

The Kobe comparison doesn't work, he wasn't accused 2 times or 3 (depending on who you believe) in a two year span. And one he shouldn't be in the situation to be accused by a drunk, underage college girl, that make him an idiot. Two, if he did take advantage of a girl in that condition, in my book that makes him a scumbag of the worst kind and in either case I don't want him on my team, no matter how good he is. Remember this, I have been a fan of this Team sine the early seventies, so Ive seen QBs come and go, he won't be around forever. And if there was no proof or merit he would not be disciplined at all, which I assure you he will be. Root for him if you want, but not me.

[Ehwmatt]

As Ben Roethlisberger awaits word on his probable suspension, the Pittsburgh Steelers have traded for another quarterback who could wind up starting on opening day.

The Steelers acquired their former quarterback Byron Leftwich from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a seventh-round pick in this week's draft, according to a team source.

Leftwich could well be the Steelers' starter in their regular-season opener. Pittsburgh also has quarterbacks Charlie Batch and Dennis Dixon, but Leftwich knows the offense and organization well. He backed up Roethlisberger in 2008 when the Steelers won a Super Bowl before he left to sign as a free agent with Tampa Bay.

The latest NFL trade also leaves Tampa Bay with 12 picks in this weekend's draft, which ties the New England Patriots for most in the league.

Interesting... I guess they're trying to cushion the blow of Roethlisberger being out and avoid going in the hole early in the season.

[7 Wishes]

I, for one, have no idea why people think the Jets are going to be all that much better. For everyone they have aquired, they have let someone go who was, talent-wise, at least that player's equal.

LT has nowhere near the charge left in his battery that Jones does.

Plus, Sanchez is another Richard Todd in the making.

[YoungJRNY]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

Here's a story.. Kobe Bryant was accused, in very vivid detail, of choking and holding down a girl to rape her. There are even worse details in the case. A case, might I add, that sounds worse than any of Ben's. What did the Lakers do? As a team and an organization, they stood by his side throughout the entire process. Bryant even went to trial.

We're going to have to live with it.. IT being an accusation. My first knee-jerk reaction was of course, that our image took a severe hit, was to release ties with him. Once you begin to think about the further investigation, you have to realize that there is two sides to every story, and Ben has not yet spoken of it. Ben has not been charged with any crime, NOR was he even arrested for that matter. This woman was completley sloshed out of her mind and now Ben's body guards AND police officers that were first respondent are now telling what happening inside, and outside and it is VERY telling of how messed up this girl actually was. If you are believing the accusation and the allegation of inebriated, underage college sorority girls, then you have to take Bens side of the story into consideration to make it fair judgment.

Law enforcement couldn't even get down to the nitty gritty and come to any determination for pressing charges against him, so, how far could it have actually gone if virtually NO evidence was present? He said she said. Unfortunately, it's Ben and the girl who ONLY know what actually happened that night, and even the CHICK isn't 100% on the matter. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A franchise quarterback only comes along ever so often, and we invested OH SO MUCH into him to cut ties with him off of allegations. He deserves a right to make it right and turn his act the whole way around for the better of Pittsburgh. Innocent until proven guilty before a court of law, and if that's the case, he is indeed innocent. You certainly don't fuck with the Rooney's but they are also FAIR.

And now I'm just ready for some football.

On a pure football level, it's outright foolishness to get rid of Ben at this point.

But, given the alleged standards that the Rooneys have, he shoulda been riding outta town on the same bus as Santonio. Last I read, no charges are forthcoming against Santonio either, yet he was traded pretty quickly. Between the two rape allegations and his retarded bike accident, Ben has caused just as many headaches for the franchise as Santonio has, more or less.

Either the Rooneys have this great standard of conduct or they don't, regardless of what player it is. You can't have it both ways. The implication is that the Rooneys are FAIR(er) depending on what player is involved, not that they have some great objective standard.

Any which way you spin it, the Santonio/Ben comparison isn't a comparison at all. Holmes was suspended a game in 2008 for violating the NFL conduct policy, and this is the 3rd time in his career that he abused that policy within the state of the NFL. He was going to be suspended for 4 games and with the uncapped year coming up, no way the Steelers were going to re-sign him. We figured we could get whatever we can now within this draft, and that was a 5th round pick, versus the financial trouble and headache of a 3rd round pick in next seasons draft. Ben has NOT abused the NFL policy before and has had a clean track record to boot. He is being punished off of moral alone, because he was not charged with any crime.

The Ben/Holmes case does NOT go hand in hand, it was just what needed to be done from an overall aspect with Holmes violating against league rules.

[YoungJRNY]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

Here's a story.. Kobe Bryant was accused, in very vivid detail, of choking and holding down a girl to rape her. There are even worse details in the case. A case, might I add, that sounds worse than any of Ben's. What did the Lakers do? As a team and an organization, they stood by his side throughout the entire process. Bryant even went to trial.

We're going to have to live with it.. IT being an accusation. My first knee-jerk reaction was of course, that our image took a severe hit, was to release ties with him. Once you begin to think about the further investigation, you have to realize that there is two sides to every story, and Ben has not yet spoken of it. Ben has not been charged with any crime, NOR was he even arrested for that matter. This woman was completley sloshed out of her mind and now Ben's body guards AND police officers that were first respondent are now telling what happening inside, and outside and it is VERY telling of how messed up this girl actually was. If you are believing the accusation and the allegation of inebriated, underage college sorority girls, then you have to take Bens side of the story into consideration to make it fair judgment.

Law enforcement couldn't even get down to the nitty gritty and come to any determination for pressing charges against him, so, how far could it have actually gone if virtually NO evidence was present? He said she said. Unfortunately, it's Ben and the girl who ONLY know what actually happened that night, and even the CHICK isn't 100% on the matter. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A franchise quarterback only comes along ever so often, and we invested OH SO MUCH into him to cut ties with him off of allegations. He deserves a right to make it right and turn his act the whole way around for the better of Pittsburgh. Innocent until proven guilty before a court of law, and if that's the case, he is indeed innocent. You certainly don't fuck with the Rooney's but they are also FAIR.

And now I'm just ready for some football.

The Kobe comparison doesn't work, he wasn't accused 2 times or 3 (depending on who you believe) in a two year span. And one he shouldn't be in the situation to be accused by a drunk, underage college girl, that make him an idiot. Two, if he did take advantage of a girl in that condition, in my book that makes him a scumbag of the worst kind and in either case I don't want him on my team, no matter how good he is. Remember this, I have been a fan of this Team sine the early seventies, so Ive seen QBs come and go, he won't be around forever. And if there was no proof or merit he would not be disciplined at all, which I assure you he will be. Root for him if you want, but not me.

You're right, the Kobe comparison doesn't work because HE WAS ACTUALLY CHARGED in the case and even stood behind a grand jury to sort out the entire mess that Kobe created. Ben has nothing but allegations of drunken mess's at a college bar. The first chick from Nevada bragged about "wanting little Roethlisberger's" one day after the fact of the crime was committed, and took a solid year to report it. Her background found her nutty and that's why you haven't heard of anything outside of a simple civil suite.

As far as supporting Ben just remember that NFL, or any other celebrity or athlete aren't no saints. They go out, they drink, they go to strip clubs, they party, they carry guns, they do god knows what behind the scenes that could be very disturbing. I get that. As far as supporting Ben, that's not the case. I give him the benefit of the doubt because there just simply isn't enough there to convince me that there is, without a doubt, 100% fact that he raped this woman. It just isn't there. (However, it ALL wraps around to Ben's terrible judgment. Point Blank, the man shouldn't of been there, and that's where the line draws and THAT'S why he's being suspended. It's become a morale territory.)

Instead, I am going to support the Pittsburgh Steelers, and if Ben happens to be quarterbacking the Pittsburgh Steelers, then by all means, I support that. This will go away in a year or two.

[YoungJRNY]

hey youngjrny i think they leaked steelers schedule early,not sure.....

here in a hour or so the whole schedule should be out.

Regular season

Sunday, Sept. 12 vs. Atlanta, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Sept. 19 at Tennessee, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Sept. 26 at Tampa Bay, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 3 vs. Baltimore, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 10 Bye weeks

Sunday, Oct. 17 vs. Cleveland, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 24 at Miami, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Oct. 31 at New Orleans, 8:20 p.m.

Monday, Nov. 8 at Cincinatti, 8:30 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 14 vs. New England, 8:20 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 21 vs. Oakland, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Nov. 28 at Buffalo, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Dec. 5 at Baltimore, 8:20 p.m.

Sunday, Dec. 12 vs. Cincinatti, 1 p.m.

Sunday, Dec. 19 vs. NY Jets, 4:15 p.m.

Thursday, Dec. 23 vs. Carolina, 8:20 p.m.

Sunday, Jan. 2 at Cleveland, 1 p.m.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10110/10 ... z0lg0IiqDL

First two weeks are going to be tough, period. I expect Ben to get 2-4, but ultimately miss 2. For either Leftwhich OR Dixon to go into the season against an Atlanta team that we aren't used to seeing, and then traveling to the long time rival in Tennessee in week 2 will be very, very tough squads. Hope to have Ben back by Baltimore, that's always a must, we cannot afford Ben to miss any divisional game this season. Schedule looks favorable, but a lot of toughies, esp a 4 game skid starting with @ Miami, @ New Orleans, @ Cinci, and back home for New England. 3 straight brutal away games in a row. Should be an interesting season with a lot of eyes on our situation.

[Since 78]

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin told his players yesterday that the team will not tolerate anyone who gets into trouble off the field.

"We were told that you either get in line or get kicked out of line," tackle Willie Colon said. "You are either going to be traded or not here.

"If your conduct is going to play a part of you not being a good football player or part of the NFL, then they are going to get rid of you."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 77249.html

Love it.

Yeah, After the fact!

Ben should be traded or cut, after the crap that came out this weekend Id rather have Dixon as the starter. Its freaking embarrassing.

Here's a story.. Kobe Bryant was accused, in very vivid detail, of choking and holding down a girl to rape her. There are even worse details in the case. A case, might I add, that sounds worse than any of Ben's. What did the Lakers do? As a team and an organization, they stood by his side throughout the entire process. Bryant even went to trial.

We're going to have to live with it.. IT being an accusation. My first knee-jerk reaction was of course, that our image took a severe hit, was to release ties with him. Once you begin to think about the further investigation, you have to realize that there is two sides to every story, and Ben has not yet spoken of it. Ben has not been charged with any crime, NOR was he even arrested for that matter. This woman was completley sloshed out of her mind and now Ben's body guards AND police officers that were first respondent are now telling what happening inside, and outside and it is VERY telling of how messed up this girl actually was. If you are believing the accusation and the allegation of inebriated, underage college sorority girls, then you have to take Bens side of the story into consideration to make it fair judgment.

Law enforcement couldn't even get down to the nitty gritty and come to any determination for pressing charges against him, so, how far could it have actually gone if virtually NO evidence was present? He said she said. Unfortunately, it's Ben and the girl who ONLY know what actually happened that night, and even the CHICK isn't 100% on the matter. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. A franchise quarterback only comes along ever so often, and we invested OH SO MUCH into him to cut ties with him off of allegations. He deserves a right to make it right and turn his act the whole way around for the better of Pittsburgh. Innocent until proven guilty before a court of law, and if that's the case, he is indeed innocent. You certainly don't fuck with the Rooney's but they are also FAIR.

And now I'm just ready for some football.

The Kobe comparison doesn't work, he wasn't accused 2 times or 3 (depending on who you believe) in a two year span. And one he shouldn't be in the situation to be accused by a drunk, underage college girl, that make him an idiot. Two, if he did take advantage of a girl in that condition, in my book that makes him a scumbag of the worst kind and in either case I don't want him on my team, no matter how good he is. Remember this, I have been a fan of this Team sine the early seventies, so Ive seen QBs come and go, he won't be around forever. And if there was no proof or merit he would not be disciplined at all, which I assure you he will be. Root for him if you want, but not me.

You're right, the Kobe comparison doesn't work because HE WAS ACTUALLY CHARGED in the case and even stood behind a grand jury to sort out the entire mess that Kobe created. Ben has nothing but allegations of drunken mess's at a college bar. The first chick from Nevada bragged about "wanting little Roethlisberger's" one day after the fact of the crime was committed, and took a solid year to report it. Her background found her nutty and that's why you haven't heard of anything outside of a simple civil suite.

As far as supporting Ben just remember that NFL, or any other celebrity or athlete aren't no saints. They go out, they drink, they go to strip clubs, they party, they carry guns, they do god knows what behind the scenes that could be very disturbing. I get that. As far as supporting Ben, that's not the case. I give him the benefit of the doubt because there just simply isn't enough there to convince me that there is, without a doubt, 100% fact that he raped this woman. It just isn't there. (However, it ALL wraps around to Ben's terrible judgment. Point Blank, the man shouldn't of been there, and that's where the line draws and THAT'S why he's being suspended. It's become a morale territory.)

Instead, I am going to support the Pittsburgh Steelers, and if Ben happens to be quarterbacking the Pittsburgh Steelers, then by all means, I support that. This will go away in a year or two.

I see your points Travis, my Son feels the same way. Anyway, I will of course support the Steelers, just not Ben anymore.

Oh and I'm betting on six weeks, from what I've heard, the commissioner is pissed.

[mikemarrs]

my guess would be four games for ben.i've seen that interview with mr. rooney and he didn't look too pleased and also he did not give any guarantees on ben's future there so who knows? i wouldn't doubt it if ben was involved in a draft day trade but probably won't be.they do hold the players there to a high standard and off the field antics are frowned upon.i do know in the mid 80's as a kid all the way through the 1999 season the steelers were my favorites then we got the titans here in tennessee.

[YoungJRNY]

my guess would be four games for ben.i've seen that interview with mr. rooney and he didn't look too pleased and also he did not give any guarantees on ben's future there so who knows? i wouldn't doubt it if ben was involved in a draft day trade but probably won't be.they do hold the players there to a high standard and off the field antics are frowned upon.i do know in the mid 80's as a kid all the way through the 1999 season the steelers were my favorites then we got the titans here in tennessee.

The initial "ruling" will probably be 4 games, but come season, that will be knocked down to 2 with "good behavior" and "good doctor reports" whatever it may be as far as the lengthy process of the discipline that is givin. 4 games it will be on surface, but he'll only miss 2 IMHO., just like Michael Vick.

[Ehwmatt]

my guess would be four games for ben.i've seen that interview with mr. rooney and he didn't look too pleased and also he did not give any guarantees on ben's future there so who knows? i wouldn't doubt it if ben was involved in a draft day trade but probably won't be.they do hold the players there to a high standard and off the field antics are frowned upon.i do know in the mid 80's as a kid all the way through the 1999 season the steelers were my favorites then we got the titans here in tennessee.

The initial "ruling" will probably be 4 games, but come season, that will be knocked down to 2 with "good behavior" and "good doctor reports" whatever it may be as far as the lengthy process of the discipline that is givin. 4 games it will be on surface, but he'll only miss 2 IMHO., just like Michael Vick.

What the fuck are good doctor reports?

[YoungJRNY]

my guess would be four games for ben.i've seen that interview with mr. rooney and he didn't look too pleased and also he did not give any guarantees on ben's future there so who knows? i wouldn't doubt it if ben was involved in a draft day trade but probably won't be.they do hold the players there to a high standard and off the field antics are frowned upon.i do know in the mid 80's as a kid all the way through the 1999 season the steelers were my favorites then we got the titans here in tennessee.

The initial "ruling" will probably be 4 games, but come season, that will be knocked down to 2 with "good behavior" and "good doctor reports" whatever it may be as far as the lengthy process of the discipline that is givin. 4 games it will be on surface, but he'll only miss 2 IMHO., just like Michael Vick.

What the fuck are good doctor reports?

Goodell's going to nail him with a fuckin psychiatrist dude, haha. He'll have to go to some kind of rehab I bet and whoever is monitoring him will report to Goodell and the league and offer insight on his process.

[YoungJRNY]

Holy shit! What a brutal schedule for the Bungals. 3 of the first 4 on the road (2 against NE and Balti no less). Stealers on a Monday night, the Jets on T-giving night, and the Chargers on a Sunday night, to go along with Indy on the road and Super Bowl Champs N.O. at home. Bungs will be lucky to go 8-8.


REGULAR SEASON

Sun., Sept. 12 at New England 1 p.m.
Sun., Sept. 19 Baltimore 1 p.m.
Sun., Sept. 26 at Carolina 1 p.m.
Sun., Oct. 3 at Cleveland 1 p.m.
Sun., Oct. 10 Tampa Bay 1 p.m.
Sun., Oct. 17 BYE —
SSun., Oct. 24 at Atlanta 1 p.m.
Sun., Oct. 31 Miami 1 p.m.
Mon., Nov. 8 Pittsburgh 8:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Sun., Nov. 14 at Indianapolis 1 p.m.
Sun., Nov. 21 Buffalo 1 p.m.
Thurs., Nov. 25 at N.Y. Jets 8:20 p.m. (NFL Network)
Sun., Dec. 5 New Orleans 1 p.m.
Sun., Dec. 12 at Pittsburgh 1 p.m.
Sun., Dec. 19 Cleveland 1 p.m.
Sun., Dec. 26 San Diego 8:20 p.m. (NBC)
Sun., Jan. 2 at Baltimore 1 p.m. (NBC)

Haha, I love how even the Bengals fans call their team the "Bungs." Good stuff. Enjoy the first place schedule while you can.

[S2M]

Finally, NE gets to play Indy in Foxborough.....

[YoungJRNY]

Finally, NE gets to play Indy in Foxborough.....

You've got to make up your mind, Malone. Are you a Lions fan? A Barry Sanders fan, or a Patriots fan? You've stated numerous times in the past that you are NOT a Pats fan, but you sure do go to battle for them and even made fun of JFB here and there. What's the dealio?