President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

...and did a mighty fine job getting them all under control while lowering taxes.

Much of which were undone by continual tax hikes throughout his term.

Not to mention that he made the U.S. the lone superpower, really made us the envy of the world by taking down the Berlin Wall, and...

Really a simplistic reading of history. Ever hear of perestroika and glasnost? How about George Bush Sr? Reagan's willingness to engage in talk with Gorbachev, by the way, was hated by most conservatives. He was accused of going soft and talking to our enemies.

[Saint John]

...and did a mighty fine job getting them all under control while lowering taxes.

Much of which were undone by continual tax hikes throughout his term.

Not to mention that he made the U.S. the lone superpower, really made us the envy of the world by taking down the Berlin Wall, and...

Really a simplistic reading of history. Ever hear of perestroika and glasnost? How about George Bush Sr? Reagan's willingness to engage in talk with Gorbachev, by the way, was hated by most conservatives. He was accused of going soft and talking to our enemies.

Reagan was guided by principles and not polls. Probably the last president to do so.

[Ehwmatt]

...and did a mighty fine job getting them all under control while lowering taxes.

Much of which were undone by continual tax hikes throughout his term.

Not to mention that he made the U.S. the lone superpower, really made us the envy of the world by taking down the Berlin Wall, and...

Really a simplistic reading of history. Ever hear of perestroika and glasnost? How about George Bush Sr? Reagan's willingness to engage in talk with Gorbachev, by the way, was hated by most conservatives. He was accused of going soft and talking to our enemies.

Hey TNC, you fucker, I disagree with just about everything politics-wise with you and we both know that, but I couldn't agree more with you on music. Quit wasting your talents in these bullshit political threads and talk more music. This place needs it

[The_Noble_Cause]

...and did a mighty fine job getting them all under control while lowering taxes.

Much of which were undone by continual tax hikes throughout his term.

Not to mention that he made the U.S. the lone superpower, really made us the envy of the world by taking down the Berlin Wall, and...

Really a simplistic reading of history. Ever hear of perestroika and glasnost? How about George Bush Sr? Reagan's willingness to engage in talk with Gorbachev, by the way, was hated by most conservatives. He was accused of going soft and talking to our enemies.

Hey TNC, you fucker, I disagree with just about everything politics-wise with you and we both know that, but I couldn't agree more with you on music. Quit wasting your talents in these bullshit political threads and talk more music. This place needs it

You're right. This shit is pretty played out.

[7 Wishes]

Why not throw a life preserver to the flailing, soon-to-be drowned carcass of the GOP? They got caught with their paints down - again - and people are angry about it. Everyone with a brain cell knows they've had Wall Street in their back pockets for years. They didn't want to reform Wall Street, but now they're trying to suggest their threat of a filibuster changed the game.

The fact is, if they hadn't gotten on board, they would have paid an even dearer price in November. When will the neo-cons learn?

[7 Wishes]

7, take your race card and stick it up your ass. Idiot.

If the shoe fits, LiePaster...

[7 Wishes]

Under Clinton, 49.3% of the budget was allocated towards defense.

Under Bush, that number "rose" to 49.6%.

So much for the idea that Bush's solar-system record deficits were caused by an "increase" in military spending.

Under Dubbya, budgets for these departments were slashed by an average of 42% from the fiscal years 1993-2000:

Labor
Veterans Affairs
Corps of Engineers
Other Defense—Civil Programs
Environmental Protection Agency
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Science Foundation
Small Business Administration
Agriculture

Also, spending for the Executive Office of the President went from an average of 0.06% under Clinton to an average of 1.3% under King George II.

I found it most interesting that the biggest percentile increase was for:

Housing and Urban Development

Keep in mind the GOP had a majority in the House and Senate was well as a Republican President between 2001 and 2007.

[Sarah]

I'd have less of a problem seeing the poor pay higher taxes than I do the rich. It would sorta mandate success in this country.

Well... we kind of need poor people to do crappy jobs like custodial work, garbage pickup, food service, etc... who will do the dirty jobs if everyone is busy trying to leave them, not to mention if they even could get a better job without an education they probably can't afford. I'm not sure that a revolving door of trade workers on their way to ~the dream~ is the most productive to the trades. I agree that there's a lot of entitlement with welfare but I don't agree that it's easy for people below the poverty level to just move on up in today's world, especially if they can't afford the education required, which they certainly will be less able to do if they're taxed more than the rich. Hell, my parents spent thousands to get me a bachelor's degree and all I ever hear is how a bachelor's degree means nothing and I've gotta get a masters to compete (thousands more bucks!!). No one WANTS to be poor but many people are just stuck where they are. I don't think we should punish them for that. IMO.

[7 Wishes]

I had the munchies at 2:30 AM, so of course I had to check in here.

I know a lot of people who make a lot of money but aren't particularly talented or hard-working. Not that those traits typify the majority of high-income earners (and most of my clients are), but still...teachers work their asses off and don't make diddly. Conversely, I know people who have inherited multi-million dollar businesses from their parents and don't work more than 20 hours a week because everything was already in place for them, and they're just figureheads. Friends with 3.8 GPA's who happened to pick the "wrong" majors wind up working for $12 an hour, and Finance majors with 2.2's get a break into the right firm and make $100,000 a year.

[Sarah]

Friends with 3.8 GPA's who happened to pick the "wrong" majors wind up working for $12 an hour

STORY OF MY LIFE. I make $12/hour at a part time job I took out of desperation after having been fully unemployed for 7 months last year I am not using my major whatsoever. Unfortunately I listened to the people who said "no one really uses their major in their job" and "people just look at the school you went to" so I studied something that interested me rather than something practical...

Although being a UCLA grad was a major factor in me getting my part time job, at least! haha

[Saint John]

I'd have less of a problem seeing the poor pay higher taxes than I do the rich. It would sorta mandate success in this country.

Well... we kind of need poor people to do crappy jobs like custodial work, garbage pickup, food service, etc... who will do the dirty jobs if everyone is busy trying to leave them, not to mention if they even could get a better job without an education they probably can't afford. I'm not sure that a revolving door of trade workers on their way to ~the dream~ is the most productive to the trades. I agree that there's a lot of entitlement with welfare but I don't agree that it's easy for people below the poverty level to just move on up in today's world, especially if they can't afford the education required, which they certainly will be less able to do if they're taxed more than the rich. Hell, my parents spent thousands to get me a bachelor's degree and all I ever hear is how a bachelor's degree means nothing and I've gotta get a masters to compete (thousands more bucks!!). No one WANTS to be poor but many people are just stuck where they are. I don't think we should punish them for that. IMO.

As always, fair points, Sarah. But tell me this ... how smart does one really have to be to realize that it's gonna be a motherfucker to raise 6 kids while holding down a job as a landscaper??? The vast majority of the poor in this country are poor because it's self inflicted. Seriously, do Mexicans have an unwritten rule that says you have to have at least 3 kids by the time you're 25??? I marvel at teenagers in my predominantly hispanic neighborhood (70%) pushing a stroller, often times, when they're just out of high school. And I swear, it seems to be the norm ... same in the majority of California I'm sure. Same with ghetto blacks and white trash. But Mexicans, from what my experience has been/seen, are far and away the worse with destroying any sort of decent future by being baby machines.

[Sarah]

Seriously, do Mexicans have an unwritten rule that says you have to have at least 3 kids by the time you're 25???

Basically yes. And typically they don't move out of their parents' house until they are married. I kind of think the babymaking has a lot to do with most Latinos being Catholic and never learning/encouraging safe sex.

My bf's family is pretty traditional Mexican. His family illegally immigrated when he was young, at least 20 years ago. (edit: they always paid taxes though and they're legal now) At first all 5 of them lived in a 1-bedroom apartment, but now they're doing pretty well for themselves. The dad's just a landscaper (of course haha) but they own several rental properties in Vegas too. I'm learning a lot about the cultural norms being around them.

[7 Wishes]

The Arizona House of Representatives on Monday voted 31 - 22 to advance a bill that would require Arizona's secretary of state to review a presidential candidate's birth certificate before that candidate could get on the ballot in the state.

Deputy Hill, WTF is the point of this? Only the biggest rubes and lackeys still believe Obama is Kenyan. You are completely, scarily out of touch with reality. Fringe element...the kind of individual either becomes a Teabagger or, on the opposite side of the spectrum, an eco-terrorist.

[RedWingFan]

The Arizona House of Representatives on Monday voted 31 - 22 to advance a bill that would require Arizona's secretary of state to review a presidential candidate's birth certificate before that candidate could get on the ballot in the state.

Deputy Hill, WTF is the point of this? Only the biggest rubes and lackeys still believe Obama is Kenyan. You are completely, scarily out of touch with reality. Fringe element...the kind of individual either becomes a Teabagger or, on the opposite side of the spectrum, an eco-terrorist.

Did you just call the First Lady a rube and a lackey?

“When we visited Barack’s home country of Kenya in Africa......” - Michelle Obama Jan. 02, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht1qeK3roU0

[7 Wishes]

Thanks for the irreverent comment, Senator McCarthy. When are you due back at the Tydings Committee hearing?

Anyway, have fun at the skinhead rally tonight. I've heard Jon Voigt is bringing his G2. What are you bringing?

[RedWingFan]

Thanks for the irreverent comment, Senator McCarthy. When are you due back at the Tydings Committee hearing?

No comment on Mrs. Obama being a "birther"? Just like you had no comment on Queen Pelosi flying her family across the country repeatedly at great expense to the taxpayers. Yet have the gall to bitch like a little bitch about what Palin does with her money.

Anyway, have fun at the skinhead rally tonight.

Show me one racist post I've made on this board, you lying sack of shit!

[7 Wishes]

I never said I wasn't irked at Pelosi's arrogance and spendthriftness.

You need to look up the word "hyperbole," take your Prozac, and get back to me in the morning once the moonshine wears off.

I'm sure Palin's contributors will at least raise a bushy eyebrow or two when they find out none one red cent has been given to the campaigns of Republicans battling Democrats in the House and Senate this fall. Wouldn't you?

That you are a racist is beyond a doubt.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just like you had no comment on Queen Pelosi flying her family across the country repeatedly at great expense to the taxpayers. Yet have the gall to bitch like a little bitch about what Palin does with her money.

I never said I wasn't irked at Pelosi's arrogance and spendthriftness.

Hold your fire.
The last right wing accusation of Pelosi's excessive flight demands turned out to be just another chain email hoax.
There's always the chance that this time could be different, but given their track record, I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt.

http://factcheck.org/2010/03/pelosis-party-plane/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp

[RedWingFan]

Just like you had no comment on Queen Pelosi flying her family across the country repeatedly at great expense to the taxpayers. Yet have the gall to bitch like a little bitch about what Palin does with her money.

I never said I wasn't irked at Pelosi's arrogance and spendthriftness.

Hold your fire.
The last right wing accusation of Pelosi's excessive flight demands turned out to be just another chain email hoax.
There's always the chance that this time could be different, but given their track record, I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt.

http://factcheck.org/2010/03/pelosis-party-plane/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp

TNC all that factcheck site does is try to condone it by saying "Hastert did it." I don't have time to check the snopes site, I have to get back to work.... The lying, plagiarist was bitching about Palin (a private citizen) spending money donated to her PAC. I just gave him and example of how our government officials blow through OUR money like it's nothing.

[7 Wishes]

Nice try, GoebbelsFan.

Factcheck.com is a neutral site - did you bother to read the article?

I'm Lucy, and you're Charlie Brown, perpetually flailing in the air - you're never gonna kick that ball through the uprights.

Well, you'd better get back to tending the register at 7-11.

[RedWingFan]

Nice try, GoebbelsFan.

Factcheck.com is a neutral site - did you bother to read the article?

I'm Lucy, and you're Charlie Brown, perpetually flailing in the air - you're never gonna kick that ball through the uprights.

Well, you'd better get back to tending the register at 7-11.

Actually no, sorry to have to correct you again, but I've never worked at 7-11. Which is why I can't confirm the rumour about your girl hanging out front whoring herself out to score a fix. LOL

That you are a racist is beyond a doubt.

Again, any of my posts that make you think so? No? Another baseless lie trying to play the race card because you have nothing else. Truly pathetic. Guess that's what I get for calling you out for using "troglodyte" in every other post!

So we have it that you're a confirmed liar (ala Professor Phil Jones), plagiarist (ala Jason Blair), and now a race card thrower (would you prefer to be called Rev. Jackson or Rev. Sharpton?)

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC all that factcheck site does is try to condone it by saying "Hastert did it." I don't have time to check the snopes site, I have to get back to work....

Not so. Other distinctions are made, including judicial watch's dishonest tactic of charging Pelosi for costs incurred by delegations upwards of 100 people.

I really don't have any feelings toward Pelosi either way. As Speaker, she seems to be rounding up the votes she needs pretty succesfully. For all the cries of sexism by professional right wing victims like Palin and Carrie Prejean, it is Pelosi, who is easily the most discriminated woman in politics. I don't care which way you vote, belittling a 70 yr old woman's face is pretty low.

[The_Noble_Cause]

"belittling a 70 yr old woman's face is pretty low."


Said the "Man" who told a fellow MR Woman poster.....

"TNC wrote":

Speaking of which, would you mind telling me what exactly is Conservative about treating your velvety custard hole like some suped up Jack Lalanne juice machine?

Thanks

Last I checked, FF, I am not a commentator on cable news. I figured this key difference was obvious enough for you to work out by yourself - guess not.
If you're condoning "kneecap granny" type politics, come out and say it.

[Ehwmatt]

Boo fuckin hoo all of you - public figures are fair game for any kind of criticism, from appearance to intellect to whatever's in between. Their (non-public figure) family members should be left out, however.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go help my dad, Janet Reno, move a refrigerator.

[7 Wishes]

Or he could have come out and actually said (with no ambiguity) that Ma Palin was a terrorist.

You've got nothing - again. Go hide in your cave again, LiePaster.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Where is the connection to commentators on cable news in your post? Hint: It's not there. Man you are the king of deflection and can't even remember what your own post says...Here I'll help.

I stand by my comments 100%. Palin and Carrie Prejean accused the oogedy-boogedy "liberal media" of sexism, NOT one melodic rock website registered in another continent out of hundred of billions of websites. I know you think cutting and pasting op-eds is a valuable public resource and somehow, someway, is singlehandedly keeping America from falling into socialism, but it’s simply not the case. Nobody gives a shit about you or me. Get a grip, FF.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, Obama can insinuate that Sarah Palin is a pig, (remember that little ditty?),

Never happened. Man, are you gullible.
Just like Kerry's "stuck in Iraq" remarks, or Hannity's recent "Timothy McVeigh wannabes" line, try looking at things in context and NOT the spoonfed media spin.

[Lula]

lol, come on the "lipstick on a pig" is an old saying. obama was not calling palin a pig. so silly to even open this one back up.

[lights1961]

While GOLDMAN SACHS lawyers negotiated with SEC over civil 'fraud charges'...

GOLDMAN BOSS VISITED WHITE HOUSE AT LEAST 4 TIMES


Is Goldman Obamas Enron?

Nope... only becasue the media will only cover it on the surface... not underneath it...

However, if the tea party people throw a bunch of fits this summer about Goldman Sachs during their events and enough thousands or millions accross the nation start figuring that Obama has been in bed with Goldman Sachs... then... it might be worse than enron... Obama says he knows nothing about the funds....and they are seperate... but then why is a lawyer for the firm getting visit the whitehouse card... just saying...

[The_Noble_Cause]

It did happen you lying sack..Palin had mentioned in a speech that the difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom was "lipstick."
A few weeks later Obama opined that.."you can put lipstick on a pig..it's still a pig".

So? Do you have any idea just how old the "lipstick on a pig" idiom is? Keep flaunting your ignorance, FF - the modern GOP is counting on it.

Only you and your fellow travelers in lib land can't put two and two together, you just insist that t never happened. Like Joe Wilson said: "You lie."

Even viewed as some subtle dogwhistle attack on Palin, what you're saying makes NO political sense whatsoever. NONE.
Tell me, which demographic exactly was Obama trying to woo by calling Palin a pig?
Women?
Gays?
Blacks?
Patriotic Americans out in the breadbasket?
Anyone not blinded by partisan rage or semi-educated could tell it was a desperate hail-mary distraction from an increasingly desperate GOP campaign.