Illegal Immigration in USA: WTF Is There To Argue About?

[RossValoryRocks]

All you people bashing the Arizona law do realize that it is almost, almost I repeat, WORD FOR WORD the saw law as the Federal Government has on the books? It just shift some of the enforcement to the state and local levels.

IF the federal law is ok, and it's not going to have racial profiling going on because of how it is written, how is the Arizona law going to allow it?

Simple question really...

[Ehwmatt]

All you people bashing the Arizona law do realize that it is almost, almost I repeat, WORD FOR WORD the saw law as the Federal Government has on the books? It just shift some of the enforcement to the state and local levels.

IF the federal law is ok, and it's going to have racial profiling going on because of how it is written, how is the Arizona law going to allow it?

Simple question really...

Exactly. The hubbub about the enforcement/manner of enforcement is hilarious to me.

According to legal scholars on the left and right, there is one way this law might possibly be unconstitutional: The state might not have the right to enforce it. If that turns out to be ok, this law is staying on the books, at least as far as any judge is concerned.

[Don]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

[RossValoryRocks]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

Tell them to take the job or buh-bye welfare? Make it work-fair (yes I know how I spelled fair here) and as the income rises reduce by the equivalent amount the welfare the recieve until they are off of it.

[Don]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

Tell them to take the job or buh-bye welfare? Make it work-fair (yes I know how I spelled fair here) and as the income rises reduce by the equivalent amount the welfare the recieve until they are off of it.

Most states seem to have a five year lifetime limit on Welfare. If we could get it capped at three years, it might help. It would be hard to get something like that though so perhaps a compromise where the last two years of eligible benefits can't be accessed unless you over 55.

[Ehwmatt]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

You raise a good point: We Americans can be blamed in large part for the immigration problem. We have a slew of lazy, legal citizens, white, black, and whatever other color, that feel they are "above" certain jobs, yet have no dignitary problem in accepting a free handout and sitting on their fat asses. Enter the high market demand for the stereotypical hard-working illegal immigrant. Enter the large problem we have now.

[Saint John]

racial profiling

It's criminal profiling.

[ohsherrie]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

Tell them to take the job or buh-bye welfare? Make it work-fair (yes I know how I spelled fair here) and as the income rises reduce by the equivalent amount the welfare the recieve until they are off of it.

You know there's a huge rip in the political fabric of America when I agree with Stuart on something.

[donnaplease]

SHERRIE!!!! You're back! YAY!!!

Even if I don't agree with you on most all things politics, I still love ya, and I'm SO GLAD you're posting here again!

[steveo777]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

You raise a good point: We Americans can be blamed in large part for the immigration problem. We have a slew of lazy, legal citizens, white, black, and whatever other color, that feel they are "above" certain jobs, yet have no dignitary problem in accepting a free handout and sitting on their fat asses. Enter the high market demand for the stereotypical hard-working illegal immigrant. Enter the large problem we have now.

Some people make it a full time job to make sure they thoroughly understand all of the government assistance programs and how to qualify for them.

[slucero]

this country would shut down. Who would cut our grass, do landscaping or work on our roads? Americans dont want to do that kind of work.Id rather see the bums ,thugs and crackheads deported first Get rid of the dead weight first.At least them little mexicans work hard

This.


Also I think one of the major problems lies with corporations that employ illegals because they will take less than minimum wage and not demand benefits and other perks. These companies make it more enticing for them to come to America, and the practice also prevents actual Americans from getting menial jobs even if they wanted them, since Americans can expect minimum wage and can say something about it.

Well once again, one of MR's finest read posters weighs in and does so with intelligence. It was under W Bush, that he wanted to allow illegals to come in and work, temporary, and then go back to Mexico. LOL, ok dude, I am sure they will all voluntarily pack up and board the Tijuana Express when their temp. visas are expired. Bush allowed this so his rich buddies in Big Box stores and large corporations could hire help on the cheap.

Short of the story= This is a Federal issue, not a state issue.

To be more accurate... its a States issue that the Feds own, and are doing nothing about...

[Rick]

Say we deport all the illegals, how do we get all the whites (which happen to make up the highest percentage of welfare recipients, even if you combined all the black and Hispanics recipients together) to take over all the jobs that would be vacant in the construction, domestic and fast food industry?

You raise a good point: We Americans can be blamed in large part for the immigration problem. We have a slew of lazy, legal citizens, white, black, and whatever other color, that feel they are "above" certain jobs, yet have no dignitary problem in accepting a free handout and sitting on their fat asses. Enter the high market demand for the stereotypical hard-working illegal immigrant. Enter the large problem we have now.

Some people make it a full time job to make sure they thoroughly understand all of the government assistance programs and how to qualify for them.

I work, what many would consider, a menial labor job, and have been at it for 27 years, busting my ass. Now, I'll conceded that I don't bust my ass as much these days, as I used to, but I've given my all to my job every day. I was always taught, by my very wise father, that no matter what you do for a living, and no matter what your salary is, you damn well do the best job you can. And that credo has always stuck with me, and that's how I do my job. I'm a baggage handler at AA, and for sure, for someone that's paving roads, that would be a dream job, just for the benefits, but the work I do, at times is nearly as tough. So I have no patience for people that won't get a job because it's hard fucking work. Hard work never killed anyone. With all of that said, these lazy assed Americans that won't pick up a shovel or carry a roll of carpet, need a hard dose of reality. I'll never lay down and quit. I'd rather die than take welfare, if I'm able bodied enough to work.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I work, what many would consider, a menial labor job, and have been at it for 27 years, busting my ass. Now, I'll conceded that I don't bust my ass as much these days, as I used to, but I've given my all to my job every day. I was always taught, by my very wise father, that no matter what you do for a living, and no matter what your salary is, you damn well do the best job you can. And that credo has always stuck with me, and that's how I do my job. I'm a baggage handler at AA, and for sure, for someone that's paving roads, that would be a dream job, just for the benefits, but the work I do, at times is nearly as tough. So I have no patience for people that won't get a job because it's hard fucking work. Hard work never killed anyone. With all of that said, these lazy assed Americans that won't pick up a shovel or carry a roll of carpet, need a hard dose of reality. I'll never lay down and quit. I'd rather die than take welfare, if I'm able bodied enough to work.

+infinity

[donnaplease]

Where I live, we have several poultry processing plants. A majority of the workers in these plants are hispanic. I often see large vans picking them up in specific spots and driving them to work, and there's a big chunk of them living just across the street from the plant near my job. I have no idea if they are here legally or not, and hopefully the managers of these plants confirm their status before hiring them.

If any of you haven't experienced being around a poultry plant, they're disgusting. They stink horribly. There are trucks full of live chickens waiting to be slaughtered, with the occasional escapee wandering around the road out front, just waiting to be run over. Sometimes when I drive by they're spraying down the trucks, and a light mist of water reaches me. I want to gag. It's hard, disgusting work I'm sure. I've worked in 3 different factories myself, but could never see myself working in a poultry plant, not because I think I'm above it, but because of the personal 'disgusting' factor, and the fact that if I did, I'd never be able to eat chicken again.

When I was little, I knew many people who's parents worked at poultry plants, and it put food on the table and clothes on their backs. Over the years, I have known fewer and fewer 'white' people working in the poultry industry. As you guys are talking about these kinds of jobs, I wonder if the move to a higher hispanic population is due to Americans not wanting those jobs, or simply Americans being pushed out of those jobs because hispanics will do the work, possibly at a lower cost to the corporation. It might be a 'chicken or the egg' dilemma, IDK. I mean, there are other equally disgusting jobs out there that American citizens continue to do, so why the heavy shift in the poultry industry? In a way, it's like corporations sending their jobs oversees, yet keep them physically right here in the USA (if they are hiring them to keep costs lower). Is that a good thing or bad?

Anyone with any thoughts?

[steveo777]

Where I live, we have several poultry processing plants. A majority of the workers in these plants are hispanic. I often see large vans picking them up in specific spots and driving them to work, and there's a big chunk of them living just across the street from the plant near my job. I have no idea if they are here legally or not, and hopefully the managers of these plants confirm their status before hiring them.

If any of you haven't experienced being around a poultry plant, they're disgusting. They stink horribly. There are trucks full of live chickens waiting to be slaughtered, with the occasional escapee wandering around the road out front, just waiting to be run over. Sometimes when I drive by they're spraying down the trucks, and a light mist of water reaches me. I want to gag. It's hard, disgusting work I'm sure. I've worked in 3 different factories myself, but could never see myself working in a poultry plant, not because I think I'm above it, but because of the personal 'disgusting' factor, and the fact that if I did, I'd never be able to eat chicken again.

When I was little, I knew many people who's parents worked at poultry plants, and it put food on the table and clothes on their backs. Over the years, I have known fewer and fewer 'white' people working in the poultry industry. As you guys are talking about these kinds of jobs, I wonder if the move to a higher hispanic population is due to Americans not wanting those jobs, or simply Americans being pushed out of those jobs because hispanics will do the work, possibly at a lower cost to the corporation. It might be a 'chicken or the egg' dilemma, IDK. I mean, there are other equally disgusting jobs out there that American citizens continue to do, so why the heavy shift in the poultry industry? In a way, it's like corporations sending their jobs oversees, yet keep them physically right here in the USA (if they are hiring them to keep costs lower). Is that a good thing or bad?

Anyone with any thoughts?

I'm white and you wouldn't see me working such a job, nor would I be picking apples, cleaning anything after others or providing laborous services where people tell me what to do at the expense of my back. I'm not lazy. You're right about most of those jobs being taken by non white people. We have a 65% Hispanic population where I live. I am a minority. We have several various food processing plants, from potatoes to poultry and beef. Most of the employees are non white, unless they are supervisors. It make me wonder if the supervisiors even started out on the ground floor. These people can't all be legal. Some of these food processing plants used to be union shops. Not anymore. During the time they were union, there were plenty of white people working at them. One beef processing plants here, back in the day, used to be THE place to work because you could make pretty damn good money per hour. That seems to all have changed once the Hispanic population grew as large as it is here. I'm not sure how the employers got the unions out, but these other guys are willing to work cheaper.

[ohsherrie]

Where I live, we have several poultry processing plants. A majority of the workers in these plants are hispanic. I often see large vans picking them up in specific spots and driving them to work, and there's a big chunk of them living just across the street from the plant near my job. I have no idea if they are here legally or not, and hopefully the managers of these plants confirm their status before hiring them.

If any of you haven't experienced being around a poultry plant, they're disgusting. They stink horribly. There are trucks full of live chickens waiting to be slaughtered, with the occasional escapee wandering around the road out front, just waiting to be run over. Sometimes when I drive by they're spraying down the trucks, and a light mist of water reaches me. I want to gag. It's hard, disgusting work I'm sure. I've worked in 3 different factories myself, but could never see myself working in a poultry plant, not because I think I'm above it, but because of the personal 'disgusting' factor, and the fact that if I did, I'd never be able to eat chicken again.

When I was little, I knew many people who's parents worked at poultry plants, and it put food on the table and clothes on their backs. Over the years, I have known fewer and fewer 'white' people working in the poultry industry. As you guys are talking about these kinds of jobs, I wonder if the move to a higher hispanic population is due to Americans not wanting those jobs, or simply Americans being pushed out of those jobs because hispanics will do the work, possibly at a lower cost to the corporation. It might be a 'chicken or the egg' dilemma, IDK. I mean, there are other equally disgusting jobs out there that American citizens continue to do, so why the heavy shift in the poultry industry? In a way, it's like corporations sending their jobs oversees, yet keep them physically right here in the USA (if they are hiring them to keep costs lower). Is that a good thing or bad?

Anyone with any thoughts?

Thanks for the welcome in your other post Donna.

After reading this post and the one by steve777 that followed I couldn't help thinking about the numerous incidents of ecol-i and salmonella that ultimately led to the numerous food recalls that we've had since the unions and American workers have been forced out of the food processing industry. Unions would do their best to relieve the atrocious working conditions that exist in that industry which, along with American living wages, would have either cost the industry executives a few of their billions or priced the majority of the American public out of the supermarkets.

It all comes down to corporate greed and a corporate owned government.

[jrnyman28]

I wonder if the move to a higher hispanic population is due to Americans not wanting those jobs, or simply Americans being pushed out of those jobs because hispanics will do the work, possibly at a lower cost to the corporation.

And there is the dilemma. I am sure it is a bit of both, but I side with the corporations going for cheaper labor to pad the profits. Greed is one of the largest contributing factors. That is my problem with the retail environment catering with bilingual signage, labels, announcements. It is solely for the purpose of increased profits, but it has had a huge hand in aiding the problems at hand.

I am sure it hasn't escaped notice or mention that this issue has come to the fore with our declining economy and high unemployment rates. People were not complaining about "illegals" doing those shitty jobs when they had better opportunities. But now that the opportunities are so limited....

[Michigan Girl]

Received this in an email ...kinda funny, kinda sad!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ulysses ... 78IARSR2V7

[Since 78]

Received this in an email ...kinda funny, kinda sad!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ulysses ... 78IARSR2V7

Apparently its a joke, if you find that kind of thing funny.

[Michigan Girl]

Received this in an email ...kinda funny, kinda sad!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ulysses ... 78IARSR2V7

Apparently its a joke, if you find that kind of thing funny.

Yep ...kinda sad too!!

[Since 78]

Received this in an email ...kinda funny, kinda sad!!
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/ulysses ... 78IARSR2V7

Apparently its a joke, if you find that kind of thing funny.

Yep ...kinda sad too!!

[jrnyman28]

Report from Cochise County, Arizona

By T.J. Woodard

Being an avid AT reader, and living on the Arizona border in Cochise County, I thought I would provide those who wish to be informed some insight into the truth about the state of the U.S.-Mexican border -- at least in this part of the state.

I moved to Cochise County [ INCL. TOMBSTONE ] after retiring from the Army in 2008 to take a position working at Fort Huachuca (pronounced "wa-choo-ka," an Apache word meaning "place of thunder" and referring to the time after the summer monsoon season). Having lived here in 1991 for eight months while attending an Army school, I soon realized that the place had changed considerably in the eighteen years of my absence.

The first thing I noticed was how many border patrol vehicles were on the roads in the city of Sierra Vista. The Border Patrol has a large station near here in the city of Naco. There are far more Border Patrol vehicles in the area than SV police cars. They come in many forms -- trucks for off-road work, trailers carrying all-terrain vehicles, pickups with capacity for carrying large numbers of people once apprehended, and even a staff car for the area chaplain. The Border Patrol presence has grown substantially, so one would think the border area was nice and safe.

Not so. Within a short time after arriving in southern Arizona while on my way to work, I noticed eight illegal immigrants on the side of the road. Fortunately, they were in the custody of capable and attentive Border Patrol agents. Unfortunately, they were less than a hundred feet from my daughter's bus stop. She gets personal service to school now, as the school district refuses to enter the gated community in which we live. There is a nice wash, a valley into which the rainwater drains during the monsoons, which provides a nice route for the illegals to follow into the city, and therefore into their locations for pickup by the vehicles that will get them farther north.

Later, after I attended a movie on a Friday night, a car passed by me in the next lane going nearly a hundred miles an hour. It took a few seconds before I saw the police behind -- way behind -- with lights and sirens, trying to catch up. Surprise, surprise -- the next morning's paper discussed a Mexican drug runner being caught by County Sheriff's Deputies. On several occasions, the Border Patrol's helicopter has flown low and slow over the neighborhood, rattling windows and shining its spotlight in our backyard. When this happens, I strap on my pistol, grab a flashlight, and look and listen. Fortunately, I haven't found anybody within a hundred yards of the house -- yet.

Working on a U.S. Army fort, one would think we were fairly secure from these threats. Just not true. Reading the Fort Huachuca newspaper one morning, I noticed an interesting part of the "community" page. It asked for volunteers to assist in cleaning up "dumps" on posts where the illegals would drop their supplies used to cross the border and change clothing. They do this in order to blend in and not look like they just spent a day or two crossing the border in the dust and heat of southern Arizona. The most frightening part of this is that Fort Huachuca is the U.S. Army Intelligence Center, where the Army trains its intelligence soldiers -- analysts, interrogators, radio intercept specialists, and counterintelligence agents -- for operations overseas. If we can't secure the fort we use to train our intelligence soldiers, how can we secure anything else?

Much has been discussed about the new law in Arizona making it unlawful to be in Arizona in violation of federal immigration statutes. However, much less has been discussed about the shooting of rancher Robert Krentz. Robert was killed on his ranch on March 28, 2010. His ranch, on which the family began grazing cattle in 1907 (Arizona became a state in 1912), is a large, 35,000-acre area in remote Cochise County. It is so remote that the original Cochise, an Apache leader, used the mountainous terrain near it to hide from the U.S. Cavalry in the early 1870s. But much less is being said about the eight illegal immigrants and their load of 280 pounds of marijuana seized the day<http://www.wilcoxrangenews.com/articles/2010/04/01/news01 > before Krentz was killed.

So Arizona should be boycotted because its people would like to keep it safe? Somebody please explain the logic of that for me. It doesn't take a bullet from a drug runner's gun to make those of us down here near the border understand that this is drug-related violence -- and Rob's death proves it.

It also doesn't take much more reading to see that the drug dealers are a huge problem with far-reaching capabilities. On April 27, 2010, a large drug bust took place here in Cochise County. Among those arrested was Angelica Marie Borquez< http://www.kgun9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12386796 >, the secretary for the Drug Enforcement Division of the Cochise County Attorney office. Allegedly, Ms. Borquez was tipping off the drug runners to counter drug operations conducted by the county. She was so bold that she used the phone in the County Attorney's office to make some of her calls.

This isn't a blatant effort by drug cartels to obtain control here in America?

Many have already called Arizona residents racists. They are concerned that police will profile Hispanics and disproportionally harass them. But we understand something others in Washington, D.C. and San Francisco don't seem to remember -- we border Mexico. The fact is that most illegal immigrants coming across the border here are, well, Mexicans. Those of us down here facing the danger every day really don't care what some Hollywood actor has to say about the issue. Nor do we care about what the Colombian government or the Latino music community thinks of it. We just want to stay safe.

This is not about race; it's about facts. Use a few of these facts the next time somebody wants to engage you in discussion about the border. Tell him you learned these things from somebody who can see Mexico from his front porch.

T.J. Woodard is a retired Army officer who lives less than ten miles from the Mexican border. He carries a pistol even in his own house in order to be prepared to defend his family whenever necessary.

[Michigan Girl]

You go, T.J. Woodard ...^^^that's great!!

This is not about race; it's about facts. Use a few of these facts the next time somebody wants to engage you in discussion about the border. Tell him you learned these things from somebody who can see Mexico from his front porch.

and, lol ...

[7 Wishes]

The GOP is making a HUGE mistake by running on anti-immigration policy. It doesn't work on a national level, and never has. Little Miss Sunshine (Palin) is digging a huge hole for that party.

[slucero]

I think the correct word is anti-ILLEGAL immigration

[7 Wishes]

True.

The funny thing is, I support major reform, although I'm not sure the Arizona law is the way to go. America's borders will never be sealed off to Hispanics or anyone else - just as no major firearms control legislation will ever see the light of day. It's far too late to change.

[steveo777]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... g_mul.html

May 18, 2010
Arizona passes law banning multilingual requirement for businesses
Ethel C. Fenig

Arizona did it again! Fresh from signing a law that reinforces a federal law giving police the right to ask a person stopped by police for an unrelated matter to produce papers proving the right to be legally in the US, followed by a law banning schools from teaching minority/ethnic studies courses advocating separatism, group superiority and subversion of this country, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer (R) signed


legislation affirming that nothing in state law requires businesses to provide "trained and competent" interpreters when a customer comes in speaking a language other than English. Assistant Attorney General Michael Walker said that has probably always been the law.


If it was always the law, why the need for this law? Because of a lawsuit of course. A unilingual Spanish speaking woman in Arizona was treated by a unilingual English speaking optometrist in his Arizona office. The woman's underage 12 year old daughter offered to be the interpreter; fearing legal, insurance and medical problems if the child misunderstood the optometrist refused, asking the mother and child to return with an English speaker over 18 or alternatively, visit some Spanish speaking optometrists. Instead, the Spanish speaker, whether legally in this country or not, understood enough of this country to file a discrimination suit against the English speaking optometrist. Refusing to settle, the optometrist finally won after the Arizona Attorney General took a year to decide no laws had been broken.


Fucking gold......go Arizona!

[Michigan Girl]

Just shoot me, I agree w/steveo ...and I would like to add three cheers for the optometrist!!
I would never try to conduct business/mortgage a property w/a human that does not understand
a word that is written or spoken ...how the "F" dumb is that?!?!

Way to go AZ, now let's run through the alphabet (make sure to go back to AK, AL and AR)!!

[jrnyman28]

An Email I received today:




Wherever you stand on this issue, please take the time to read this; it should wake you from your careless slumber on this important truth.

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado . In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream. Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stoodup and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States .

He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide."

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset , put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims."

Lamm went on: "Second, to destroy America , invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds."

"Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrcity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority placation."

"My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precet. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum"-- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will "Balkanize"America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America. Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you. NOTHING is going to happen if you don't!

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under" - Ronald Reagan

And shame on anyone who hires people who don't speak english and/or are this country illegally

[Don]

Part of Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce's letter to the mayor of Los Angeles.


If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.

I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.

There is a little problem regarding the AZ power plants that supply the water though.
Here's how the ownership shares of these plants breakdown

Arizona Public Service: 29.1 percent
Salt River Project: 17.5 percent
Southern California Edison: 15.8 percent
El Paso Electric: 15.8 percent
PNM: 10.2 percent
Southern California Public Power Authority: 5.9 percent
Los Angeles Department of Water and Power: 5.7 percent