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parfait wrote:Downloading from Pirate Bay is stealing, simple as that. You screw the people who've put in work and money into the product, just cause you're too cheap to spend 10 $ on a CD or whatever. Sure, it's convenient, but that's about it.
Arianddu wrote:
I thought it was pretty reasonable, and it's how I treat downloading, EXCEPT free-to-air TV programs. I confess, I just don't want to wait 6-20 weeks to get my fix of Castle, Dexter, Bones, not to mention the programs that aren't on TV in Australia that I love (True Blood, Dollhouse, Sarah Jane Adventures, Little Mosque on the Prarie, etc).
Behshad wrote:parfait wrote:Downloading from Pirate Bay is stealing, simple as that. You screw the people who've put in work and money into the product, just cause you're too cheap to spend 10 $ on a CD or whatever. Sure, it's convenient, but that's about it.
And the " Captain moron obvious " has arrived.![]()
Andrew wrote:Arianddu wrote:
I thought it was pretty reasonable, and it's how I treat downloading, EXCEPT free-to-air TV programs. I confess, I just don't want to wait 6-20 weeks to get my fix of Castle, Dexter, Bones, not to mention the programs that aren't on TV in Australia that I love (True Blood, Dollhouse, Sarah Jane Adventures, Little Mosque on the Prarie, etc).
I download everything for TV shows....not going to wait either and FREE to air TV shows should never be charged for by any network...they should all be available free
Mind you, then the advertisers don't get as much value and pressure on the network's bottom end can eventuate. But they are all getting paid product placement fees anyway...
Andrew wrote:Behshad wrote:parfait wrote:Downloading from Pirate Bay is stealing, simple as that. You screw the people who've put in work and money into the product, just cause you're too cheap to spend 10 $ on a CD or whatever. Sure, it's convenient, but that's about it.
And the " Captain moron obvious " has arrived.![]()
That's enough B.
Behshad wrote:I knew Monker would jump in here and quote my post apart.
Here are few simple examples for you.
#1 You go to the farmer and buy a peach tree. Water it it grows and gives you many juicy fresh peaches.
But instead of eating them all , you take a dozen of the peach pits and grow a dozen of trees from them and start selling them to friends & family , hence affecting the farmers income.
#2 you buy a couple of dogs from the pet store. They mate , you get half a dozen of puppies and you sell them to friends and family. You make few bux that the pet store couldve made.
#3 you go to the grocery store and buy 30 lemons. Go home make 5 gallons of lemonade that ur kid sells to the neighbourhood. Stealing business from the grocery store.
Again, not the same thing. When you download music from a file sharing site, you are not destroying it and making something new.You see my point MonkerBoy ?! None of the above is against the law , but with the copy rights laws they should be. Where do we draw the line ?!?!
Andrew wrote:Behshad wrote:I knew Monker would jump in here and quote my post apart.
Here are few simple examples for you.
#1 You go to the farmer and buy a peach tree. Water it it grows and gives you many juicy fresh peaches.
But instead of eating them all , you take a dozen of the peach pits and grow a dozen of trees from them and start selling them to friends & family , hence affecting the farmers income.
#2 you buy a couple of dogs from the pet store. They mate , you get half a dozen of puppies and you sell them to friends and family. You make few bux that the pet store couldve made.
#3 you go to the grocery store and buy 30 lemons. Go home make 5 gallons of lemonade that ur kid sells to the neighbourhood. Stealing business from the grocery store.
You see my point MonkerBoy ?! None of the above is against the law , but with the copy rights laws they should be. Where do we draw the line ?!?!
And you can not tell me that you have neve ever copied anything illegally. You may be a decent debator but you're not a saint. And far from a Saint John.
Start quoting NOW.
Interesting angle, but in all these examples Beshad, SOMEONE got paid at the originating point.
With music downloading, neither the artist or the songwriter gets a cent. Ever.
Monker wrote:Behshad wrote:I knew Monker would jump in here and quote my post apart.
Here are few simple examples for you.
#1 You go to the farmer and buy a peach tree. Water it it grows and gives you many juicy fresh peaches.
But instead of eating them all , you take a dozen of the peach pits and grow a dozen of trees from them and start selling them to friends & family , hence affecting the farmers income.
Not the same thing...that peach tree is not copyrighted. Now, if that company manipulated the genetics of the tree so it was resistant to some disease or could grow in some odd climate....And, you buy that tree and somehow clone and sell that genetic trait - you will be sued.,#2 you buy a couple of dogs from the pet store. They mate , you get half a dozen of puppies and you sell them to friends and family. You make few bux that the pet store couldve made.
Blah, blah, blah...see above...this is the same example with dogs.#3 you go to the grocery store and buy 30 lemons. Go home make 5 gallons of lemonade that ur kid sells to the neighbourhood. Stealing business from the grocery store.
Again, not the same thing. When you download music from a file sharing site, you are not destroying it and making something new.You see my point MonkerBoy ?! None of the above is against the law , but with the copy rights laws they should be. Where do we draw the line ?!?!
You draw the line when you are selling pirated material, or broadcasting it publicly. It's really that simple.
Behshad wrote:To add a bit more twist to this.
Pirate bay doesn't copy or sell or even give out free music or software. They don't own a single file of what's being shared.
So should they be responsible for all the a actions of those who share/steal ?!
Monker is gonna jump in with " but they're enabeling it. "
The INTERNET is what's enabeling it
I support the musicians , Drewsky. You should know from me buy merchendise at your event.![]()
I just don't agree with shutting down Pirate Bay. They have helped me decide what's good there to buy and what's junk that I delete and wouldve never bought if I known it was junk. with the cd store policy , where you can't return a CD if it's shitty then The Bay has been my helper.
Monker wrote:Andrew wrote:Behshad wrote:I knew Monker would jump in here and quote my post apart.
Here are few simple examples for you.
#1 You go to the farmer and buy a peach tree. Water it it grows and gives you many juicy fresh peaches.
But instead of eating them all , you take a dozen of the peach pits and grow a dozen of trees from them and start selling them to friends & family , hence affecting the farmers income.
#2 you buy a couple of dogs from the pet store. They mate , you get half a dozen of puppies and you sell them to friends and family. You make few bux that the pet store couldve made.
#3 you go to the grocery store and buy 30 lemons. Go home make 5 gallons of lemonade that ur kid sells to the neighbourhood. Stealing business from the grocery store.
You see my point MonkerBoy ?! None of the above is against the law , but with the copy rights laws they should be. Where do we draw the line ?!?!
And you can not tell me that you have neve ever copied anything illegally. You may be a decent debator but you're not a saint. And far from a Saint John.
Start quoting NOW.
Interesting angle, but in all these examples Beshad, SOMEONE got paid at the originating point.
With music downloading, neither the artist or the songwriter gets a cent. Ever.
Or, the record label, which is really who is driving the legality of it....Some artists don't care if their music is downloaded.
Behshad wrote:Andrew wrote:Behshad wrote:parfait wrote:Downloading from Pirate Bay is stealing, simple as that. You screw the people who've put in work and money into the product, just cause you're too cheap to spend 10 $ on a CD or whatever. Sure, it's convenient, but that's about it.
And the " Captain moron obvious " has arrived.![]()
That's enough B.
Yes boss.I was just stating the obvious
Monker wrote:Behshad wrote:To add a bit more twist to this.
Pirate bay doesn't copy or sell or even give out free music or software. They don't own a single file of what's being shared.
So should they be responsible for all the a actions of those who share/steal ?!
Monker is gonna jump in with " but they're enabeling it. "
The INTERNET is what's enabeling it
I support the musicians , Drewsky. You should know from me buy merchendise at your event.![]()
I just don't agree with shutting down Pirate Bay. They have helped me decide what's good there to buy and what's junk that I delete and wouldve never bought if I known it was junk. with the cd store policy , where you can't return a CD if it's shitty then The Bay has been my helper.
I'm not going to say they are 'enabling it'. They are broadcasting it, which is illegal. That is how the law is being read right now.
parfait wrote:Downloading from Pirate Bay is stealing, simple as that. You screw the people who've put in work and money into the product, just cause you're too cheap to spend 10 $ on a CD or whatever. Sure, it's convenient, but that's about it.
steveo777 wrote:It seems Pirate Bay is back online. That didn't take long, considering.
I missed the first two seasons of the Sopranos.
Sarah wrote:I read an article in a Newsweek recently about how the Internet savvy generation has come to expect everything for free because of the early dot-com business models of "information wants to be free" coupled with the ease of getting things online.
I've personally got no qualms about getting stuff for free. Everyone just keeps their prices too high, and I'm poor, so too bad. I generally don't seed torrents, though.
BTW the peach tree analogy is inaccurate because the original pirate doesn't sell the copies. So it'd be more like growing the peaches and then giving them away for free.
Sarah wrote:I've personally got no qualms about getting stuff for free. Everyone just keeps their prices too high, and I'm poor, so too bad.
Behshad wrote:Sarah wrote:I read an article in a Newsweek recently about how the Internet savvy generation has come to expect everything for free because of the early dot-com business models of "information wants to be free" coupled with the ease of getting things online.
I've personally got no qualms about getting stuff for free. Everyone just keeps their prices too high, and I'm poor, so too bad. I generally don't seed torrents, though.
BTW the peach tree analogy is inaccurate because the original pirate doesn't sell the copies. So it'd be more like growing the peaches and then giving them away for free.
It is accurate cause the original Farmer, is like the artist/record labelThe Farmer wasnt the pirate ! (although Parfait says the Somalian Pirates are indeed Farmers )
Dude, seriously?
I never gave props to the pirates. What I did was state that there's underlying reasons for what they do; complex reasons. The only obvious thing here is that you're a thief and you try to explain why you're stealing with some stupid ass peach tree analogy.
And no one is perfect, B.
Behshad wrote:Sarah wrote:I read an article in a Newsweek recently about how the Internet savvy generation has come to expect everything for free because of the early dot-com business models of "information wants to be free" coupled with the ease of getting things online.
I've personally got no qualms about getting stuff for free. Everyone just keeps their prices too high, and I'm poor, so too bad. I generally don't seed torrents, though.
BTW the peach tree analogy is inaccurate because the original pirate doesn't sell the copies. So it'd be more like growing the peaches and then giving them away for free.
It is accurate cause the original Farmer, is like the artist/record labelThe Farmer wasnt the pirate ! (although Parfait says the Somalian Pirates are indeed Farmers )
Sarah wrote:I read an article in a Newsweek recently about how the Internet savvy generation has come to expect everything for free because of the early dot-com business models of "information wants to be free" coupled with the ease of getting things online.
I've personally got no qualms about getting stuff for free. Everyone just keeps their prices too high, and I'm poor, so too bad. I generally don't seed torrents, though.
BTW the peach tree analogy is inaccurate because the original pirate doesn't sell the copies. So it'd be more like growing the peaches and then giving them away for free.
Ehwmatt wrote:Sarah wrote:I've personally got no qualms about getting stuff for free. Everyone just keeps their prices too high, and I'm poor, so too bad.
I agree with you to a large extent regarding the prices they charge (see my earlier, long-ass post), but the second part "I'm poor, too bad, I'm gonna take anything I want for free" ? Eh, I dunno. That's about as proper as offering that excuse to refuse paying your rent or mortgage.
Behshad wrote:It is accurate cause the original Farmer, is like the artist/record label The Farmer wasnt the pirate ! (although Parfait says the Somalian Pirates are indeed Farmers )
Gunbot wrote:Sarah wrote:I generally don't seed torrents, though.
Demonoid and Jamtothis wouldn't be for you then. They require you to maintain a favorable share ratio in order to download.
parfait wrote:I never gave props to the pirates. What I did was state that there's underlying reasons for what they do; complex reasons. The only obvious thing here is that you're a thief and you try to explain why you're stealing with some stupid ass peach tree analogy.
And no one is perfect, B.
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