60,000 copies...

[Don]

...is all that is needed to return Justin Bieber back to the number one position on Billboard's album chart. The second lowest total for a number one album at the #1 since the SoundScan era began in 1991 (The soundtrack album Dream Girls undersold Bieber's effort by only a few hundred back in 2007).
The days of multi-platinum album sales seem numbered indeed.
Last year when Susan Boyle debuted, she sold 700k her first week. The three albums behind her all sold over 100,000 copies, yet only a year later, 60, 80 or 90k is all you need to go #1.
Why even have a number ranking anymore? It's totally worthless with these totals.

[Tito]

Agreed. But that's not going to stand in our way, when we're bragging about Journey debuting at #1 next year. First time in 30 years they'll have a #1 record.

[jrnyman28]

Nowadays I pay attention to how long someone stays on the chart. That was one of the things I loved about Revelation and for me was a definition of success. They debuted, dropped a little and then stuck around for a couple months.

[Everett]

Agreed. But that's not going to stand in our way, when we're bragging about Journey debuting at #1 next year. First time in 30 years they'll have a #1 record.

The bears will win the super bowl before THAT happens

[Since 78]

Agreed. But that's not going to stand in our way, when we're bragging about Journey debuting at #1 next year. First time in 30 years they'll have a #1 record.

The bears will win the super bowl before THAT happens

You and the Gator should hang out.

[Everett]

Agreed. But that's not going to stand in our way, when we're bragging about Journey debuting at #1 next year. First time in 30 years they'll have a #1 record.

The bears will win the super bowl before THAT happens

You and the Gator should hang out.

I don't think gator's like badgers

[Since 78]

Agreed. But that's not going to stand in our way, when we're bragging about Journey debuting at #1 next year. First time in 30 years they'll have a #1 record.

The bears will win the super bowl before THAT happens

You and the Gator should hang out.

I don't think gator's like badgers

Well, all the better then!

[slucero]

man I can't wait till that kids nuts drop... and he can't sing anymore...

[Red13JoePa]

Nowadays I pay attention to how long someone stays on the chart. That was one of the things I loved about Revelation and for me was a definition of success. They debuted, dropped a little and then stuck around for a couple months.

Many here resent these facts, but that is what this post contains.

[Andrew]

Nowadays I pay attention to how long someone stays on the chart. That was one of the things I loved about Revelation and for me was a definition of success. They debuted, dropped a little and then stuck around for a couple months.

I'm very curious how sales of an all new (no bonus re-records + DVD) studio album will go. Will be interesting to say the least.

[Red13JoePa]

After All These Years charted Billboard with zero input from past band members .

[Don]

Journey outsold Foreigner and REO's last albums combined and by a two to one margin. Despite the big difference in sales, all three bands still ended up with two Top 30 A/C hits apiece (Though Foreigner might have one more release left). None of them cracked the Hot 100.

Of course, even with Perry or Gramm, they might have fared the same. Looking at their contemporaries, only U2 and Bon Jovi can still pull off that feat.

[Saint John]

Nowadays I pay attention to how long someone stays on the chart. That was one of the things I loved about Revelation and for me was a definition of success. They debuted, dropped a little and then stuck around for a couple months.

I'm very curious how sales of an all new (no bonus re-records + DVD) studio album will go. Will be interesting to say the least.

It'll go Gold ... minimum. Besides, since when is a band giving their fans a great package a bad thing? They're villians if they're "cheap and greedy" and they're shady if the use Wal Mart mandated re-records? I see. Can't have it both ways, pal (though I do understand your point). The package sold for a variety of reasons ... it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ... except those that predicted the band's demise. Far from it. This is the best condition they've been in since the mid-80's.

[Don]

I'm a bit disappointed in Mick Jones. He has openly acknowledged aiming their last release straight at the A/C charts. I think Kelly still has the chops for the band to put out a few more old school headknocking albums. I hope they don't become REO version 2.

[Saint John]

I'm a bit disappointed in Mick Jones. He has openly acknowledged aiming their last release straight at the A/C charts. I think Kelly still has the chops for the band to put out a few more old school headknocking albums. I hope they don't become REO version 2.

But is there really a market for new rock songs from older bands? It seems like even the huge older artists (AC/DC and Bon Jovi to name 2) get a bit of air play and then the songs just disappear into oblivion. Hell, I didn't even really hear The Eagles' new songs and they sold almost 8 million CDs. I think Mick Jones realizes that the current market is just shitty for rock music from older acts. Sad, but probably true. I'm interested to see the route Journey takes with their new "rocking" album. Any thoughts?

[Andrew]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

[G.I.Jim]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

Andrew... you're not allowed to say anything about Arnel to Dan. Dan sleeps with Arnel pajamas on for crying out loud! He walked around my house with them on all weekend and really made me feel uncomfortable. Even my son goes "Dad... why is he wearing pajamas with a guys face all over them?".

Seriously though, Dan is OBSESSED with Arnel!

[Don]

I'm a bit disappointed in Mick Jones. He has openly acknowledged aiming their last release straight at the A/C charts. I think Kelly still has the chops for the band to put out a few more old school headknocking albums. I hope they don't become REO version 2.

But is there really a market for new rock songs from older bands? It seems like even the huge older artists (AC/DC and Bon Jovi to name 2) get a bit of air play and then the songs just disappear into oblivion. Hell, I didn't even really hear The Eagles' new songs and they sold almost 8 million CDs. I think Mick Jones realizes that the current market is just shitty for rock music from older acts. Sad, but probably true. I'm interested to see the route Journey takes with their new "rocking" album. Any thoughts?

I think Journey gets at least one song on the A/C chart, regardless of how rocking the whole album is supposed to be and despite the new found destain Neal is voicing of late for the Adult Contemporary genre. The big question is, who is releasing this album? If it's not Walmart, then it will be a general retail deal with only the amounts being requested by the stores being sent out to Target, Barnes &Noble, Best Buy, etc. From what I understand, those stores have been requesting less of late, hence the smaller totals for debut album sales. I'm looking at a selling point of 13 dollars.

[kgdjpubs]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

well, of course, they COULD put the Graspop show as a bonus dvd...hint, hint, hint
Quite possibly, that's the best show they have done with Arnel on lead vox.

[G.I.Jim]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

well, of course, they COULD put the Graspop show as a bonus dvd...hint, hint, hint
Quite possibly, that's the best show they have done with Arnel on lead vox.

What show was that? I don't remember hearing that name.

[stevew2]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

Andrew... you're not allowed to say anything about Arnel to Dan. Dan sleeps with Arnel pajamas on for crying out loud! He walked around my house with them on all weekend and really made me feel uncomfortable. Even my son goes "Dad... why is he wearing pajamas with a guys face all over them?".

Seriously though, Dan is OBSESSED with Arnel!

You let dan in your house?????

[G.I.Jim]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

Andrew... you're not allowed to say anything about Arnel to Dan. Dan sleeps with Arnel pajamas on for crying out loud! He walked around my house with them on all weekend and really made me feel uncomfortable. Even my son goes "Dad... why is he wearing pajamas with a guys face all over them?".

Seriously though, Dan is OBSESSED with Arnel!

You let dan in your house?????

Yeah... I didn't know he had those pajamas at the time!

[stevew2]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

Andrew... you're not allowed to say anything about Arnel to Dan. Dan sleeps with Arnel pajamas on for crying out loud! He walked around my house with them on all weekend and really made me feel uncomfortable. Even my son goes "Dad... why is he wearing pajamas with a guys face all over them?".

Seriously though, Dan is OBSESSED with Arnel!

You let dan in your house?????

Yeah... I didn't know he had those pajamas at the time!

thats scary sarge, good thing he he had some kind of under britches on ,it could have been worse,could you have imagined havin him walk into the kitchen in the morning and having a nut hanging out while your kids are eating fruit lopes?

[kgdjpubs]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

well, of course, they COULD put the Graspop show as a bonus dvd...hint, hint, hint
Quite possibly, that's the best show they have done with Arnel on lead vox.

What show was that? I don't remember hearing that name.

Graspop Metal Festival

setlist...

01 - Separate ways
02 - Stone in love
03 - Ask the lonely
04 - Change for the better
05 - Lights
06 - Edge of the blade
07 - Wheel in the sky
08 - Chain reaction
09 - One more
10 - Wildest dreams
11 - Faithfully
12 - Don't stop believing
13 - Anyway you want it

[Moon Beam]

man I can't wait till that kids nuts drop... and he can't sing anymore...

Good one

[Ehwmatt]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

Andrew... you're not allowed to say anything about Arnel to Dan. Dan sleeps with Arnel pajamas on for crying out loud! He walked around my house with them on all weekend and really made me feel uncomfortable. Even my son goes "Dad... why is he wearing pajamas with a guys face all over them?".

Seriously though, Dan is OBSESSED with Arnel!

True story, I caught Dan with a Street Talk copy in his back seat the first time I met him

[Voyager]

...is all that is needed to return Justin Bieber back to the number one position on Billboard's album chart.

I feel sorry for today's youth. We were treated to #1 albums by the likes of some killer bands in the 80's suck as Journey, Van Halen, Styx, Ratt, Dokken, AC/DC, Ozzy, etc.. Today the kids get a fucking Justin Bieber. Someone please pass me the barf bag.

[portland]

it was a great package, the band's management got the band exposure, 2 songs hit the AC chart, they toured like heck, and the band has a strong and loyal fanbase. Seems like all parties involved won ...

Absolutely. I'm not commenting to the negative at all. I am genuinely curious how this album will go - standing on it's own merits I guess - especially if it isn't as commercial. Looking forward to hearing it.
The Revelation package was fabulos value and yes, everyone won big time.

well, of course, they COULD put the Graspop show as a bonus dvd...hint, hint, hint
Quite possibly, that's the best show they have done with Arnel on lead vox.

What show was that? I don't remember hearing that name.

Graspop Metal Festival

setlist...

01 - Separate ways
02 - Stone in love
03 - Ask the lonely
04 - Change for the better
05 - Lights
06 - Edge of the blade
07 - Wheel in the sky
08 - Chain reaction
09 - One more
10 - Wildest dreams
11 - Faithfully
12 - Don't stop believing
13 - Anyway you want it

just what I always wanted!!!

[StevePerryHair]

...is all that is needed to return Justin Bieber back to the number one position on Billboard's album chart.

I feel sorry for today's youth. We were treated to #1 albums by the likes of some killer bands in the 80's suck as Journey, Van Halen, Styx, Ratt, Dokken, AC/DC, Ozzy, etc.. Today the kids get a fucking Justin Bieber. Someone please pass me the barf bag.

You forget we had Paula Abdul, Cyndi Lauper, madonna, The Bengals, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Whitney Houston, Wham, Culture Club, The Go-Go's, Lionel Richie, Huey Lewis...... and the list goes on and on and on with music that you are not including in the 80's genre that was more "popular" which is why it's "pop" music. I don't see how time has changed THAT much except that the newer rock music isn't as main stream as it seems to have been in the 80's. Some bands are, and I actually think its better now than it was 10 years ago. There are "rock" options out there for the youth and those interested in rock are finding it and listening.

[parfait]

...is all that is needed to return Justin Bieber back to the number one position on Billboard's album chart.

I feel sorry for today's youth. We were treated to #1 albums by the likes of some killer bands in the 80's suck as Journey, Van Halen, Styx, Ratt, Dokken, AC/DC, Ozzy, etc.. Today the kids get a fucking Justin Bieber. Someone please pass me the barf bag.

You forget we had Paula Abdul, Cyndi Lauper, madonna, The Bengals, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Whitney Houston, Wham, Culture Club, The Go-Go's, Lionel Richie, Huey Lewis...... and the list goes on and on and on with music that you are not including in the 80's genre that was more "popular" which is why it's "pop" music. I don't see how time has changed THAT much except that the newer rock music isn't as main stream as it seems to have been in the 80's. Some bands are, and I actually think its better now than it was 10 years ago. There are "rock" options out there for the youth and those interested in rock are finding it and listening.

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Come on, Lynn. Michaels Jackson and Stevie Wonder is awesome. The music scene was way better in the 80's.

I like house and techno music when listening to it in a club or whatever, but the quality of music, the real musicianship, was better. No doubt about it.