Illegal Immigration in USA: WTF Is There To Argue About?

[Since 78]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

[jrnyman28]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

Whew! I'm safe!! My wife is part Choctaw.

[jrnyman28]

Part of Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce's letter to the mayor of Los Angeles.


If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.

I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.

There is a little problem regarding the AZ power plants that supply the water though.
Here's how the ownership shares of these plants breakdown

Arizona Public Service: 29.1 percent
Salt River Project: 17.5 percent
Southern California Edison: 15.8 percent
El Paso Electric: 15.8 percent
PNM: 10.2 percent
Southern California Public Power Authority: 5.9 percent
Los Angeles Department of Water and Power: 5.7 percent

Still, if you can reduce California's "power" by 29% it will still take a huge toll on the state. Remember, this is a State that is in extreme debt. And within the past few years had to use "rolling blackouts" to conserve energy.

[Since 78]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

Whew! I'm safe!! My wife is part Choctaw.

Maybe we're related?

[jrnyman28]

Excerpts from msnbc.com article titled "Calderon condemns Arizona law on U.S. visit"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37232608/ns/world_news-americas

Calderon said Mexico and the United States should work together to develop an immigration policy that did not force people to live in the shadows "with such laws as the Arizona law, which is forcing our people to face discrimination."

First glaring point: He is saying "our people" and that is the point of it all. They are not the people of the United States that we are discussing. As Calderon so effectively points out while condemning this law, they are "our [Mexico's] people".

Calderon said Mexico and the United States should work together to develop an immigration policy that did not force people to live in the shadows "with such laws as the Arizona law, which is forcing our people to face discrimination."

Second point: This law is not forcing people to live in the shadows. Their ILLEGAL ACTIONS are forcing the 'need' to live in the shadows.

Third point: Why should we need to work with anyone else to take care of our own home? And where was this offer of help 30 years ago? 20 years ago? 10 years ago? Why NOW? Because now you see this is serious.

And here's an idea. To keep this from looking like discrimination, the police should ask for proof of legal status from 1 person per month of any other descent than Hispanic. As long as this law is being used for ALL (alledgedly) illegal imigrants it is NOT DISCRIMINATION.

Obama also stepped up his criticism of Arizona's controversial immigration law Wednesday, calling it "misdirected" and warning that it has the potential to be applied in a discriminatory fashion.

Sure it has the potential. Every good idea has the potential of being manipulated into something negative. Look at "Equal Opportunity". But where is my United Caucasion College Fund???

Calderon said the Arizona law criminalized migration and could encourage discrimination.

It only criminalizes ILLEGAL 'migration'.

And finally, the best part of this article:

Almost twice as many people support the Arizona law as those who oppose it, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll this month. It found that 42 percent favored it, 24 percent opposed it and another 29 percent said they were neutral.

THANK YOU!

[Voyager]

Over the past 20 years we have sent much of our wealth to China, and we are now deeply indebted to them. At the same time, we have done nothing to make the conditions better in Mexico so that their citizens might have a reason to stay there and prosper instead of escaping to the USA.

What if we would have invested our money in Mexico instead of China? We could have built a factory on every street corner, and the Mexicans could have been our cheap Chinese laborers. By now, Mexico could have been prospering with nice hospitals, schools, and factory jobs - while their lazy counterparts in the USA serviced the customers on the telephone. But NO, the greedy corporate bastards would rather export our country's wealth to China and pay on the cheap to get the products manufactured in Chinese sweatshops instead of investing in Mexican factories and people. Instead of enjoying prosperity from living next to the wealthiest country on earth, Mexico is a hellhole of poverty and its citizens are escaping out of desperation like hungry rats and roaches.

Our bad.

[RossValoryRocks]

Over the past 20 years we have sent much of our wealth to China, and we are now deeply indebted to them. At the same time, we have done nothing to make the conditions better in Mexico so that their citizens might have a reason to stay there and prosper instead of escaping to the USA.

What if we would have invested our money in Mexico instead of China? We could have built a factory on every street corner, and the Mexicans could have been our cheap Chinese laborers. By now, Mexico could have been prospering with nice hospitals, schools, and factory jobs - while their lazy counterparts in the USA serviced the customers on the telephone. But NO, the greedy corporate bastards would rather export our country's wealth to China and pay on the cheap to get the products manufactured in Chinese sweatshops instead of investing in Mexican factories and people. Instead of enjoying prosperity from living next to the wealthiest country on earth, Mexico is a hellhole of poverty and its citizens are escaping out of desperation like hungry rats and roaches.

Our bad.

This is a first...you are absolutely right and absolutely wrong...

Yes we have sent a ton of money to China...absolutely right...the reason is they buy our debt...Mexico doesn't have 2 pesos to rub together to buy our debt, so they couldn't buy our anything...so in that sense you are absolutely wrong...

[Voyager]

Just WalMart alone sends $30-billion a year to China directly, and much more indirectly. Just think if all of that could have been invested in Mexico?

Wal-Mart depends heavily on China for manufacturing its merchandise- Wal-Mart purchases approximately $27 billion of its inventory directly from China each year. Additionally, many of the company's suppliers like Mattel (MAT) manufacture their products in China, which in turn are sold in Wal-Mart stores. Wal-Mart's imports from China accounted for 15% of total U.S. consumer products imports in 2007, and accounted for 11% of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. Wal-Mart's imports are so substantial in fact, that if Wal-Mart were a country, it would be China's sixth-largest export market. By outsourcing to China, Wal-Mart is able to secure lower costs of inventory, which the company in turn passes on to low prices for customers.

[Voyager]

Over the past 20 years we have sent much of our wealth to China, and we are now deeply indebted to them. At the same time, we have done nothing to make the conditions better in Mexico so that their citizens might have a reason to stay there and prosper instead of escaping to the USA.

What if we would have invested our money in Mexico instead of China? We could have built a factory on every street corner, and the Mexicans could have been our cheap Chinese laborers. By now, Mexico could have been prospering with nice hospitals, schools, and factory jobs - while their lazy counterparts in the USA serviced the customers on the telephone. But NO, the greedy corporate bastards would rather export our country's wealth to China and pay on the cheap to get the products manufactured in Chinese sweatshops instead of investing in Mexican factories and people. Instead of enjoying prosperity from living next to the wealthiest country on earth, Mexico is a hellhole of poverty and its citizens are escaping out of desperation like hungry rats and roaches.

Our bad.

This is a first...you are absolutely right and absolutely wrong...

Yes we have sent a ton of money to China...absolutely right...the reason is they buy our debt...Mexico doesn't have 2 pesos to rub together to buy our debt, so they couldn't buy our anything...so in that sense you are absolutely wrong...

They buy our debt (and our real estate) with our money because they leave their citizens impoverished and keep all the profits. (Back into the "right" column where I belong.)

[RossValoryRocks]

Over the past 20 years we have sent much of our wealth to China, and we are now deeply indebted to them. At the same time, we have done nothing to make the conditions better in Mexico so that their citizens might have a reason to stay there and prosper instead of escaping to the USA.

What if we would have invested our money in Mexico instead of China? We could have built a factory on every street corner, and the Mexicans could have been our cheap Chinese laborers. By now, Mexico could have been prospering with nice hospitals, schools, and factory jobs - while their lazy counterparts in the USA serviced the customers on the telephone. But NO, the greedy corporate bastards would rather export our country's wealth to China and pay on the cheap to get the products manufactured in Chinese sweatshops instead of investing in Mexican factories and people. Instead of enjoying prosperity from living next to the wealthiest country on earth, Mexico is a hellhole of poverty and its citizens are escaping out of desperation like hungry rats and roaches.

Our bad.

This is a first...you are absolutely right and absolutely wrong...

Yes we have sent a ton of money to China...absolutely right...the reason is they buy our debt...Mexico doesn't have 2 pesos to rub together to buy our debt, so they couldn't buy our anything...so in that sense you are absolutely wrong...

They buy our debt (and our real estate) with our money. (Back into the "right" column where I belong).

LOL ok...I like that...

Yeah it would have been nice to be able to build up Mexico that way...a NAFTA trading partner...so the price of goods would be even lower...

[Ehwmatt]

Just WalMart alone sends $30-billion a year to China directly, and much more indirectly. Just think if all of that could have been invested in Mexico?

Wal-Mart depends heavily on China for manufacturing its merchandise- Wal-Mart purchases approximately $27 billion of its inventory directly from China each year. Additionally, many of the company's suppliers like Mattel (MAT) manufacture their products in China, which in turn are sold in Wal-Mart stores. Wal-Mart's imports from China accounted for 15% of total U.S. consumer products imports in 2007, and accounted for 11% of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. Wal-Mart's imports are so substantial in fact, that if Wal-Mart were a country, it would be China's sixth-largest export market. By outsourcing to China, Wal-Mart is able to secure lower costs of inventory, which the company in turn passes on to low prices for customers.

That argument has a lot of intrinsic appeal, but in the end, it's a total non sequitur. The biggest problem with the idea is the same problem with sending millions of dollars to a shithole like Haiti (which we shouldn't have done): The infrastructure and governance to put those dollars to good use is not there. The widespread corruption and criminals in Mexico would gobble all that money up with little or no gain to us. Now, of course, there is plenty of corruption to go around in Red China too, but it's just a different beast in Mexico.

[Voyager]

Let me throw this wrench into the mix:

Think of all the countries that have been at war with each other via connected borders - fighting never wins:

Israel vs. Palistine
North Korea vs. South Korea
U.S. Civil War (over 1-million U.S. casualties before the fighting stopped)
India vs. Pakistan

If being a divider would fix it, Bush would have been the man for the job. But at a time of heightened hostility, which approach will solve the problem - hostility or unity?

[Voyager]

Just WalMart alone sends $30-billion a year to China directly, and much more indirectly. Just think if all of that could have been invested in Mexico?

Wal-Mart depends heavily on China for manufacturing its merchandise- Wal-Mart purchases approximately $27 billion of its inventory directly from China each year. Additionally, many of the company's suppliers like Mattel (MAT) manufacture their products in China, which in turn are sold in Wal-Mart stores. Wal-Mart's imports from China accounted for 15% of total U.S. consumer products imports in 2007, and accounted for 11% of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. Wal-Mart's imports are so substantial in fact, that if Wal-Mart were a country, it would be China's sixth-largest export market. By outsourcing to China, Wal-Mart is able to secure lower costs of inventory, which the company in turn passes on to low prices for customers.

That argument has a lot of intrinsic appeal, but in the end, it's a total non sequitur. The biggest problem with the idea is the same problem with sending millions of dollars to a shithole like Haiti (which we shouldn't have done): The infrastructure and governance to put those dollars to good use is not there. The widespread corruption and criminals in Mexico would gobble all that money up with little or no gain to us. Now, of course, there is plenty of corruption to go around in Red China too, but it's just a different beast in Mexico.

Answer: Do to Mexico what China is trying to do to the USA... buy up all its property, control its economy, and influence the rule of law over Mexico with wealth and power from the USA instead of from the Mexican drug lords.

[Michigan Girl]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

I sense some dissension from you on this subject ...am I to assume you are in favor of Illegal Immigration ?!?!
Because~ I do care about your opinion ...

[Don]

Whiteman: What did you call America before we came here?
Redman: Ours.

[Michigan Girl]

Whiteman: What did you call America before we came here?
Redman: Ours.

Well that much came across loud and clear ...it seems
to run deeper than that, if possible!!

[Since 78]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

I sense some dissension from you on this subject ...am I to assume you are in favor of Illegal Immigration ?!?!
Because~ I do care about your opinion ...

Well, let me put it this way... I happen to be half Native American, half White, married to a Hispanic women and have kids that are a mix of all three. This puts me in a weird position obviously. The native American part of me sometimes feels that its the so called "Americans" that are here illegally, but whatever. On this subject, I have family that at one time or another were not legal but are now citizens that work, pay taxes and contribute to the good of our society in number of ways, so I feel that there should be some opportunity for those that have been here for some time and are contributing to become legal.

I also understand that people are here illegally and I support the enforcement of the laws. Here's the thing, we and by that I mean the Government has let this go to the point that its out of control, you have people that have lived here for years that now have children that are citizens, enforcement should have been done all along and there wouldn't be this problem. It should have been addressed before the crime and gangs etc...

Frankly, I don't know what a good solution is now. I have thought at times that making Mexico a State would be a good idea, but most people including Mexicans disagree, can't say I blame them, but then you can't complain about immigration laws. Like I said, a very difficult issue for me.

[strangegrey]

I don't understand why the Republicans and Democrats can't seem to agree on the need for immigration reform in the USA. What the hell is there to argue about? All illegal aliens in the USA either need to be shipped back to their home country, or we need to get rid of immigration laws and just open our borders to anyone who wants to come here.

The right is 100% on target here.

The left is trying to politicize in two ways:
1) they see a new group of voters in mexican-americans that can grow with amnesty.
2) they can try to label the right racists in an effort to deflect attention off of themselves.


As for your last comment, of opening borders. That's not an option. When you don't have borders, you don't have sovereignty. It's that simple. Way too many people, much better than the lot of us combined, gave their lives for this nation to allow it to become flaccid and border-less.

[Michigan Girl]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

I sense some dissension from you on this subject ...am I to assume you are in favor of Illegal Immigration ?!?!
Because~ I do care about your opinion ...

Well, let me put it this way... I happen to be half Native American, half White, married to a Hispanic women and have kids that are a mix of all three. This puts me in a weird position obviously. The native American part of me sometimes feels that its the so called "Americans" that are here illegally, but whatever. On this subject, I have family that at one time or another were not legal but are now citizens that work, pay taxes and contribute to the good of our society in number of ways, so I feel that there should be some opportunity for those that have been here for some time and are contributing to become legal..

I certainly understand your stance, but didn't our/my ancestors have to earn legalization?!? And I agree, there should be opportunity for those you described above, but legally!! I don't believe that we, as a nation, should have to conform to the various languages that come across the borders ...my/our ancestors had to learn to function in their new environment. I believe it is the responsibility of the people who choose to live here!!

I also understand that people are here illegally and I support the enforcement of the laws. Here's the thing, we and by that I mean the Government has let this go to the point that its out of control, you have people that have lived here for years that now have children that are citizens, enforcement should have been done all along and there wouldn't be this problem. It should have been addressed before the crime and gangs etc...

I agree!!

Frankly, I don't know what a good solution is now. I have thought at times that making Mexico a State would be a good idea, but most people including Mexicans disagree, can't say I blame them, but then you can't complain about immigration laws. Like I said, a very difficult issue for me.

Me neither ...but something!!

[strangegrey]

I have no problem with those that are here illegally being given an opportunity to *EARN* their way into citizenship.

But I do have a problem with them being able to displace those who were waiting in line to do it legally/properly from the start.
The illegals who tried to circumvent the law need to be sent home and wait at the back of the line.

It's as simple as that. If they built lives here illegally, well, that's the chance they took when they jumped over the fence.


My mother is 2nd generation Polish/Russian immigrant and my father is a 3rd generation Italian immigrant. My maternal grandparents and my paternal great grand-parents EARNED their citizenship legally. They went through the process properly.


How fucking fair is it for people like them to have to be forced to wait, while we suddenly tell each and every illegal alien in this country that they get a pass...despite their significant drain on social services, non-contribution to the tax system and at the worst case, criminal justice system.


Seriously.


Anyone that sides with the left here is disgustingly out of touch with reality. I know, I get it....Barrack Hussein Obama said Arizona's law is unconstitional (I'm still waiting for him to acknowledge that he read it, or Janet Napolitano or Eric Holder ) So therefore you're going to defend him.


But seriously. Each and every person who is in this country legally, whether as a naturalized citizen or a natural born citizen, followed the laws of the land to do so.



Why are we going to give people that BROKE THE LAW a pass and slam the doors on those that are willing to abide by the law?

[Since 78]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

I sense some dissension from you on this subject ...am I to assume you are in favor of Illegal Immigration ?!?!
Because~ I do care about your opinion ...

Well, let me put it this way... I happen to be half Native American, half White, married to a Hispanic women and have kids that are a mix of all three. This puts me in a weird position obviously. The native American part of me sometimes feels that its the so called "Americans" that are here illegally, but whatever. On this subject, I have family that at one time or another were not legal but are now citizens that work, pay taxes and contribute to the good of our society in number of ways, so I feel that there should be some opportunity for those that have been here for some time and are contributing to become legal..

I certainly understand your stance, but didn't our/my ancestors have to earn legalization?!? And I agree, there should be opportunity for those you described above, but legally!! I don't believe that we, as a nation, should have to conform to the various languages that come across the borders ...my/our ancestors had to learn to function in their new environment. I believe it is the responsibility of the people who choose to live here!!

I also understand that people are here illegally and I support the enforcement of the laws. Here's the thing, we and by that I mean the Government has let this go to the point that its out of control, you have people that have lived here for years that now have children that are citizens, enforcement should have been done all along and there wouldn't be this problem. It should have been addressed before the crime and gangs etc...

I agree!!

Frankly, I don't know what a good solution is now. I have thought at times that making Mexico a State would be a good idea, but most people including Mexicans disagree, can't say I blame them, but then you can't complain about immigration laws. Like I said, a very difficult issue for me.

Me neither ...but something!!

I agree with earning legalization and the language thing so I guess we are all good.

[steveo777]

I have no problem with those that are here illegally being given an opportunity to *EARN* their way into citizenship.

But I do have a problem with them being able to displace those who were waiting in line to do it legally/properly from the start.
The illegals who tried to circumvent the law need to be sent home and wait at the back of the line.

It's as simple as that. If they built lives here illegally, well, that's the chance they took when they jumped over the fence.


My mother is 2nd generation Polish/Russian immigrant and my father is a 3rd generation Italian immigrant. My maternal grandparents and my paternal great grand-parents EARNED their citizenship legally. They went through the process properly.


How fucking fair is it for people like them to have to be forced to wait, while we suddenly tell each and every illegal alien in this country that they get a pass...despite their significant drain on social services, non-contribution to the tax system and at the worst case, criminal justice system.


Seriously.


Anyone that sides with the left here is disgustingly out of touch with reality. I know, I get it....Barrack Hussein Obama said Arizona's law is unconstitional (I'm still waiting for him to acknowledge that he read it, or Janet Napolitano or Eric Holder ) So therefore you're going to defend him.


But seriously. Each and every person who is in this country legally, whether as a naturalized citizen or a natural born citizen, followed the laws of the land to do so.



Why are we going to give people that BROKE THE LAW a pass and slam the doors on those that are willing to abide by the law?

Fucking Obama needs to get his shit together. I'm now embarrassed that I voted for him. I wanted change and I was tired of Bush and the GOP, but all we got is another fucked up president.

[Michigan Girl]

Everyone should leave except the Native Americans! Oh, and those related to Native Americans.

I sense some dissension from you on this subject ...am I to assume you are in favor of Illegal Immigration ?!?!
Because~ I do care about your opinion ...

Well, let me put it this way... I happen to be half Native American, half White, married to a Hispanic women and have kids that are a mix of all three. This puts me in a weird position obviously. The native American part of me sometimes feels that its the so called "Americans" that are here illegally, but whatever. On this subject, I have family that at one time or another were not legal but are now citizens that work, pay taxes and contribute to the good of our society in number of ways, so I feel that there should be some opportunity for those that have been here for some time and are contributing to become legal..

I certainly understand your stance, but didn't our/my ancestors have to earn legalization?!? And I agree, there should be opportunity for those you described above, but legally!! I don't believe that we, as a nation, should have to conform to the various languages that come across the borders ...my/our ancestors had to learn to function in their new environment. I believe it is the responsibility of the people who choose to live here!!

I also understand that people are here illegally and I support the enforcement of the laws. Here's the thing, we and by that I mean the Government has let this go to the point that its out of control, you have people that have lived here for years that now have children that are citizens, enforcement should have been done all along and there wouldn't be this problem. It should have been addressed before the crime and gangs etc...

I agree!!

Frankly, I don't know what a good solution is now. I have thought at times that making Mexico a State would be a good idea, but most people including Mexicans disagree, can't say I blame them, but then you can't complain about immigration laws. Like I said, a very difficult issue for me.

Me neither ...but something!!

I agree with earning legalization and the language thing so I guess we are all good.

Well, then there's the whole Native American thing that I did not touch on ...the blood does not flow through
my veins, but it does in many that I love ... I have much respect!!

[strangegrey]

Fucking Obama needs to get his shit together. I'm now embarrassed that I voted for him. I wanted change and I was tired of Bush and the GOP, but all we got is another fucked up president.

One of the biggest lies/misconceptions pulled over the eyes of the american public is:

Clinton = prototypical democrat
Bush = prototypical republicans

In some way, Bush spent more on social entitlement programs than Clinton. Clinton was FAR more fiscally conservative.
Seriously, take away the war, and Bush is a more lib than his predecessor.


So when people thought they were voting for change with Obama, what they didn't realize was they were realistically voting for Bush X 1000.


Sadly, you weren't going to get change voting for McPain. You would've gotten Bush X 230.



I like Obama in office.


The best thing this country did was vote for that Lame idiot......



people are waking up now.

It's going to be a bloodbath in november. The final nail in the coffin of the Democrat party.....

[RedWingFan]

Fucking Obama needs to get his shit together. I'm now embarrassed that I voted for him. I wanted change and I was tired of Bush and the GOP, but all we got is another fucked up president.

One of the biggest lies/misconceptions pulled over the eyes of the american public is:

Clinton = prototypical democrat
Bush = prototypical republicans

In some way, Bush spent more on social entitlement programs than Clinton. Clinton was FAR more fiscally conservative.
Seriously, take away the war, and Bush is a more lib than his predecessor.

You have to remember Frank that Clinton didn't have much of a choice after the Republicans taking of the house in '94. He tried Obamacare before Obama. He vetoed welfare reform twice before reluctantly signing it during his '96 re-election campaign on Dick Morris' advice. Clinton's been running around praising the destruction Obama's inflicted.

[strangegrey]

You have to remember Frank that Clinton didn't have much of a choice after the Republicans taking of the house in '94. He tried Obamacare before Obama. He vetoed welfare reform twice before reluctantly signing it during his '96 re-election campaign on Dick Morris' advice. Clinton's been running around praising the destruction Obama's inflicted.

You're absolutely right. However, it's still worth noting that Clinton swung from the center aisle....whether he thought he needed to or wanted to isn't material.

The fact of the matter is that, in ways, Bush swung far more to the left than Clinton did.....Obama's just continuing the destruction.


Too many idiots in this country were fooled into thinking Obama taking Bush's spending and throwing it into high gear is change!

It's not....its more of the same.


and that's the reason this economy has never improved....

that's the reason why this country is mad as hell.



the good news is that the blame is finally pointing in the right direction.




Jimmy Carter....


that's what Obama's presidency will amount to.



an embarrassment similar to Jimmy Carter.


The big difference is at least Jimmy was able to go home and pick peanuts...




I guess Obama can go home and try to bomb the pentagon with his buddy Bill....

[The_Noble_Cause]

One of the biggest lies/misconceptions pulled over the eyes of the american public is:

Clinton = prototypical democrat
Bush = prototypical republicans

That's not a lie at all. Every Republican president since Hoover has been a spendthrift. You're clinging to historical definitions that no longer have any relevance. To find the last truly conservative president you have to look all the way to the early 20th century. Bush was a proud disciple of Reagan, spent like a Reagan republican, and for the most part, the party's base cheered on his free-spending ways. I agree that Clinton governed less like a New Deal Dem and more like a moderate Repub. Unsurprisingly, both Greenspan and Arthur Laffer loved Clinton.

Seriously, take away the war, and Bush is a more lib than his predecessor.

By what metric? Ok, Bush blew money expanding healthcare and the department of education. And you know what? So did every other modern Republican president. Means nothing. At the very same time, Bush was pursuing conservative policies of cutting taxes, privatizing social security, school vouchers, eliminating overtime pay, gutting environmental standards, vetoing stem cell bills, signing Terri Schiavo legislation, appointing right wing justices, pushing pro-family marriage initiatives etc. etc. Does all that amount to nothing?
Instead of re-branding yourselves tea partiers or rewriting history to say that Bush was a stealth liberal, the GOP needs to go back to the drawing board and see where your ideology failed the nation.

[G.I.Jim]

I say we just storm right through Mexico, and take the fucker by force! Fuck it!!! We already pay for the fucking country anyway. Hell, add their income and natural resources to our own, call them a state and be done with it. We could also send an army brigade down there to stomp out the fucking drug cartels, and be done with the bastards. THAT's my solution.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I say we just storm right through Mexico, and take the fucker by force! Fuck it!!! We already pay for the fucking country anyway. Hell, add their income and natural resources to our own, call them a state and be done with it. We could also send an army brigade down there to stomp out the fucking drug cartels, and be done with the bastards. THAT's my solution.

You'd be surprised how much support there is for us to annex Mexico. The more I think about it, the less crazy it sounds.

[RossValoryRocks]

I say we just storm right through Mexico, and take the fucker by force! Fuck it!!! We already pay for the fucking country anyway. Hell, add their income and natural resources to our own, call them a state and be done with it. We could also send an army brigade down there to stomp out the fucking drug cartels, and be done with the bastards. THAT's my solution.

You'd be surprised how much support there is for us to annex Mexico. The more I think about it, the less crazy it sounds.

There seems to be as much support to retake the southwest of the US by these reconquista groups too...

All I want the Feds to do is actually ENFORCE THE LAWS. Simple as that...if you are caught here illegally with in 24 hours you are on your way home to your country of origin. PERIOD.

The societal compact is only VALID when enforcement of laws and punishment for the transgression of those laws happens...If you have crime without punishment for said crime, then the societal compact breaks down and you have a state of anarchy, much like we are seeing in the states heavily effected by illegal immigration.