Well, it looks like Neal meant it this time!

[steveo777]

It's probably means nothing, but I'm curious why Neal put a winking emoticon at the end of the sentence (both sentences actually I guess) where he said that he and Jon had penned 2 rockers?

My guess is those two would be the ballads.

[JRNYFan]

5/20

GREAT DAY IN THE STUDIO TODAY.... WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE TRACK TO CUT TOMORROW.... TODAY WAS ROCKIN LIKE A BIG DOG...))))~~~~~~.....

[Andrew]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Yikes!

[steveo777]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Yikes!

Yikes! sells....

Soap operas have been on as long as television and don't show any sign of their popularity letting up....at least with the granny panty crowd.

[Don]

How do they cover the lip syncing years on the album?
Anyway, they just had the Re-records on the last album, didn't that pretty much cover all the history that was relevant?

If Neal's solo tour taught him anything, it's that people still don't give a shit about Pre-Perry Journey.

[Jubilee]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Yikes!

Yikes! sells....

Soap operas have been on as long as television and don't show any sign of their popularity letting up....at least with the granny panty crowd.

Yes, but then they would have to mention "He Who Cannot be Mentioned", and it sounds like he has them pretty well locked down on that one. Besides, I doubt if Arnel really wants to sing a odes to the previous singer(s).

[Don]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Yikes!

Yikes! sells....

Soap operas have been on as long as television and don't show any sign of their popularity letting up....at least with the granny panty crowd.

Yes, but then they would have to mention "He Who Cannot be Mentioned", and it sounds like he has them pretty well locked down on that one. Besides, I doubt if Arnel really wants to sing a odes to the previous singer(s).

It doesn't seem to bother AP when he is doing his solo gigs.

[steveo777]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Yikes!

Yikes! sells....

Soap operas have been on as long as television and don't show any sign of their popularity letting up....at least with the granny panty crowd.

Yes, but then they would have to mention "He Who Cannot be Mentioned", and it sounds like he has them pretty well locked down on that one. Besides, I doubt if Arnel really wants to sing a odes to the previous singer(s).

It doesn't seem to bother AP when he is doing his solo gigs.

Why should singer number 6 have a problem covering singer number 3?

[Jubilee]

Yes, but then they would have to mention "He Who Cannot be Mentioned", and it sounds like he has them pretty well locked down on that one. Besides, I doubt if Arnel really wants to sing a odes to the previous singer(s).

It doesn't seem to bother AP when he is doing his solo gigs.

That's singing song written & performed BY the previous singer. I mean songs ABOUT the other guy. That would be a bitter pill. Who would want to write and/or sing songs about all of the great and wonderful times their current lover had with another lover? ...and they dare not speak ill of "him", lest they incur the wrath of a significant portion of their older fan base, by which of course I mean the Loons.

[Don]

Let's be honest, the audience doesn't really care who is singing as long as they sound like singer number 3. With the exception of the Pinoys, people aren't there for Arnel, they just want to hear a voice that is close enough to remind them of Steve Perry.
I mean, does the casual fan really gives a shit if AP is a humble or nice guy? Augeri seemed to be the greatest guy in the world but if you don't deliver, those traits don't count for squat. No one cared that Perry was a narcissist or that Neal was a drunk or that Ross did blow, it's the product that counts. And right now the product that audiences want are decent live versions of the songs from 1981 and 1983.

[Jubilee]

Let's be honest, the audience doesn't really care who is singing as long as they sound like singer number 3. With the exception of the Pinoys, people aren't there for Arnel, they just want to hear a voice that is close enough to remind them of Steve Perry.
I mean, who really gives a shit if AP is a humble or nice guy? Augeri seemed to be the greatest guy in the world but if you don't deliver, those traits don't count for squat. No one cared that Perry was a narcissist or that Neal was a drunk or that Ross did blow, it's the product that counts. And right now the product that audiences want are decent live versions of the songs from 1981 and 1983.

Well, I can't argue with any of that. I suppose Journey is really just a victim of it's own success. It doesn't seem like they'll ever be able to out run the shadow of "singer number 3".

[brywool]

5/20

GREAT DAY IN THE STUDIO TODAY.... WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE TRACK TO CUT TOMORROW.... TODAY WAS ROCKIN LIKE A BIG DOG...))))~~~~~~.....

Dang, that was quick!

[Don]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

[steveo777]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?

[Don]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?[

At which time, he'll come to the states and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs.

[Ligzig]

If this album contains references to old summer nights, relationships and keeping faith then I'm going to go find Cain and scribble a penis on his piano.

Personally, I don't see them branching that far out of their style for this album and I see myself getting disappointed. I mean, they already have a "formula" and they've stuck by that formula for 30 years. I can't, for example, see them suddenly making an album based around fantasy/folklore themes or making a 10 minute long song based around the theme of the album. Take a look at "Ghost Love Score" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Wo8LCD ... tube_gdata ) by Nightwish and tell me Journey isn't capable of producing an epic jam. I know they are completely different styles, but that is not my point. My point is that nobody is holding Journey back but Journey itself. I recall an entire album full of instrumental music from these guys. Nobody has been stuck to the 3 minute long radio formula for a long time. Except people who give a shit about appealing to a bunch of 13 year old girls and 80 year old soccer moms because they are the only ones still listening and paying attention to the radio and buying damn CDs.

I know it's cliche, but they need to "get with the times" - and by that I mean, why stay stuck in this whole adult oriented rock mindset? Take a look around, this is 2010, and thanks to the Internet - you can pretty much find a niche for any band out there. I bet there is a website for guys who like sticking their dicks in cheese filled socks. If they truly want to be experimental and go balls to the wall....it's a perfect time to do it.

I'm happy for Arnel and he was responsible for my sudden interest in Journey again. If they don't deliver, I'm out and done with these washed up bands. I won't blame Arnel for it either. I will blame it on the fact that this is a band that is 25 years out of it's prime, missing it's star player.

[portland]

If this album contains references to old summer nights, relationships and keeping faith then I'm going to go find Cain and scribble a penis on his piano.

Personally, I don't see them branching that far out of their style for this album and I see myself getting disappointed. I mean, they already have a "formula" and they've stuck by that formula for 30 years. I can't, for example, see them suddenly making an album based around fantasy/folklore themes or making a 10 minute long song based around the theme of the album. Take a look at "Ghost Love Score" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Wo8LCD ... tube_gdata ) by Nightwish and tell me Journey isn't capable of producing an epic jam. I know they are completely different styles, but that is not my point. My point is that nobody is holding Journey back but Journey itself. I recall an entire album full of instrumental music from these guys. Nobody has been stuck to the 3 minute long radio formula for a long time. Except people who give a shit about appealing to a bunch of 13 year old girls and 80 year old soccer moms because they are the only ones still listening and paying attention to the radio and buying damn CDs.

I know it's cliche, but they need to "get with the times" - and by that I mean, why stay stuck in this whole adult oriented rock mindset? Take a look around, this is 2010, and thanks to the Internet - you can pretty much find a niche for any band out there. I bet there is a website for guys who like sticking their dicks in cheese filled socks. If they truly want to be experimental and go balls to the wall....it's a perfect time to do it.

I'm happy for Arnel and he was responsible for my sudden interest in Journey again. If they don't deliver, I'm out and done with these washed up bands. I won't blame Arnel for it either. I will blame it on the fact that this is a band that is 25 years out of it's prime, missing it's star player.

Agreed

[Ligzig]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?[

At which time, he'll come to the states and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs.

Sup Gunbot, I seen you had a wolf in your avatar and reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYEVYnu ... tube_gdata since I had Nightwish on the brain.

Nvm, that's a husky....beautiful dogs.

[Eric]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Maybe I was way off...but that is how I interpreted Neal's song Revelation on the last album - that it was the history of the band Journey. The song would almost die out but then come back and it ended on a very hopeful, strong, positive and open-ended way.

[Ehwmatt]

If this album contains references to old summer nights, relationships and keeping faith then I'm going to go find Cain and scribble a penis on his piano.

Personally, I don't see them branching that far out of their style for this album and I see myself getting disappointed. I mean, they already have a "formula" and they've stuck by that formula for 30 years. I can't, for example, see them suddenly making an album based around fantasy/folklore themes or making a 10 minute long song based around the theme of the album. Take a look at "Ghost Love Score" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Wo8LCD ... tube_gdata ) by Nightwish and tell me Journey isn't capable of producing an epic jam. I know they are completely different styles, but that is not my point. My point is that nobody is holding Journey back but Journey itself. I recall an entire album full of instrumental music from these guys. Nobody has been stuck to the 3 minute long radio formula for a long time. Except people who give a shit about appealing to a bunch of 13 year old girls and 80 year old soccer moms because they are the only ones still listening and paying attention to the radio and buying damn CDs.

I know it's cliche, but they need to "get with the times" - and by that I mean, why stay stuck in this whole adult oriented rock mindset? Take a look around, this is 2010, and thanks to the Internet - you can pretty much find a niche for any band out there. I bet there is a website for guys who like sticking their dicks in cheese filled socks. If they truly want to be experimental and go balls to the wall....it's a perfect time to do it.

I'm happy for Arnel and he was responsible for my sudden interest in Journey again. If they don't deliver, I'm out and done with these washed up bands. I won't blame Arnel for it either. I will blame it on the fact that this is a band that is 25 years out of it's prime, missing it's star player.

Excellent points. I think the big thing is for them to try and find a new sound while still maintaining their old sound. Look at what guys/groups like Loverboy/Rick Springfield have done.... their last several offerings have had an unabashedly modern sound while still retaining the great traits of their 80s sound. Admittedly, it's a task easier said than done, but that's what they should strive for rather than trying to become Rush, Dream Theater, or even the second coming of Rolie-Journey all over again (as great as those bands are).

[Arkansas]

Let's be honest, the audience doesn't really care who is singing as long as they sound like singer number 3. With the exception of the Pinoys, people aren't there for Arnel, they just want to hear a voice that is close enough to remind them of Steve Perry.
I mean, who really gives a shit if AP is a humble or nice guy? Augeri seemed to be the greatest guy in the world but if you don't deliver, those traits don't count for squat. No one cared that Perry was a narcissist or that Neal was a drunk or that Ross did blow, it's the product that counts. And right now the product that audiences want are decent live versions of the songs from 1981 and 1983.

Well, I can't argue with any of that. I suppose Journey is really just a victim of it's own success. It doesn't seem like they'll ever be able to out run the shadow of "singer number 3".

Why must they? Don't think they want to.


later~

[brywool]

Eh... Let them be who they are. If you don't dig it, then don't buy it.
Having said that- Present day Rick Springfield kicks the crap out of older Rick Springfield. If they could do something like that, it'd be cool, but it sure isn't going to make me think different of the band if they can't.

Journey's been doing the same kind of songs since 1977, and now, all the sudden that's a problem? Personally, I'd much rather hear about faith, and love than Kill Whitey or how bad things are... if I wanna be depressed, I'll put on U2 (and I like U2, btw).

Wonder what'd come out if Springfield was writing with Journey. He's a great writer.

[Jana]

Eh... Let them be who they are. If you don't dig it, then don't buy it.
Having said that- Present day Rick Springfield kicks the crap out of older Rick Springfield. If they could do something like that, it'd be cool, but it sure isn't going to make me think different of the band if they can't.

Journey's been doing the same kind of songs since 1977, and now, all the sudden that's a problem? Personally, I'd much rather hear about faith, and love than Kill Whitey or how bad things are... if I wanna be depressed, I'll put on U2 (and I like U2, btw).

Wonder what'd come out if Springfield was writing with Journey. He's a great writer.

Amen.

[stevew2]

Deep in the bowels,I knew friga had to be there

[Don]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?[

At which time, he'll come to the states and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs.

Sup Gunbot, I seen you had a wolf in your avatar and reminded me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYEVYnu ... tube_gdata since I had Nightwish on the brain.

Nvm, that's a husky....beautiful dogs.

Yes, a husky. Beautiful dogs indeed. I've wanted to get one but I don't want to go in debt over running the Air Conditioner for it all the summer, here in SoCal. As puppies, they're a lot of work also. My grand parents had one as a pup and he was definitely not the easiest dog to house train. An outside breed for sure, which makes it all the harder to raise one in this climate.

[Don]

Has a band ever done an album about their own history?

Maybe I was way off...but that is how I interpreted Neal's song Revelation on the last album - that it was the history of the band Journey. The song would almost die out but then come back and it ended on a very hopeful, strong, positive and open-ended way.

I think I remember reading where Kevin Shirley was banging on him that he needed to include an instrumental on that album.

[jrnyman28]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?

Just because they are done with the basic tracks of the songs does not mean the work is done. There will certainly be overdubs, layering, BGVox, effects added. And the largest amount of time needs to be placed on this period where the songs are truly crafted. They need to SOUND fantastic, which is something the band has struggled with in the post-Perry era until Revelation.

What I find interesting is EVERY post Neal made about the songs was that they rocked. He never mentioned one "ballad". So I would guess "rocked" just means he is pleased with them. OR did he really pull off a solid ROCK album? Doubtful...

[Don]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?

Just because they are done with the basic tracks of the songs does not mean the work is done. There will certainly be overdubs, layering, BGVox, effects added. And the largest amount of time needs to be placed on this period where the songs are truly crafted. They need to SOUND fantastic, which is something the band has struggled with in the post-Perry era until Revelation.

What I find interesting is EVERY post Neal made about the songs was that they rocked. He never mentioned one "ballad". So I would guess "rocked" just means he is pleased with them. OR did he really pull off a solid ROCK album? Doubtful...

Unless we get news about the departure of Cain in the next few days, I seriously doubt it.

[Since 78]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?

Just because they are done with the basic tracks of the songs does not mean the work is done. There will certainly be overdubs, layering, BGVox, effects added. And the largest amount of time needs to be placed on this period where the songs are truly crafted. They need to SOUND fantastic, which is something the band has struggled with in the post-Perry era until Revelation.

What I find interesting is EVERY post Neal made about the songs was that they rocked. He never mentioned one "ballad". So I would guess "rocked" just means he is pleased with them. OR did he really pull off a solid ROCK album? Doubtful...

Unless we get news about the departure of Cain in the next few days, I seriously doubt it.

Me too.

Dora!

[Don]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?

Just because they are done with the basic tracks of the songs does not mean the work is done. There will certainly be overdubs, layering, BGVox, effects added. And the largest amount of time needs to be placed on this period where the songs are truly crafted. They need to SOUND fantastic, which is something the band has struggled with in the post-Perry era until Revelation.

What I find interesting is EVERY post Neal made about the songs was that they rocked. He never mentioned one "ballad". So I would guess "rocked" just means he is pleased with them. OR did he really pull off a solid ROCK album? Doubtful...

Unless we get news about the departure of Cain in the next few days, I seriously doubt it.

Me too.

Dora!

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