Melissa Etheridge Getting Divorced

[jrnyman28]

Lets not get off track here. I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Im simply against getting a kid involved into the picture.
Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child,,,,,,unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.Simple as that ! Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,.,,,, Social science combined with common sense and observation clearly proves that children have the best chance to grow up in married, mother & father-based families. I dont agree with it when you put " proving your cultural statement and your rights" above whats best for the kid.

So let the homosexuals marry and then they can be just as stable as the married heteroes you speak of.
Since when does being a married hetero equal stability?
Evey child has the "right" to be loved and raised with love. Sadly, that is not happening. And it has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, I would guess that homosexual unions might have a higher ratio of loving homes because they have to truly consider all the ramifications of adoption and child-raising. There is likely far more communication involved before deciding to adopt or in vitro. Unlike many hetero unions which lead to accidental pregnancies, or apathy toward the idea (ie: whatever happens).

Go read my posts ,, I never said a gay couple could not provide a loving caring family for the kid,,, but the stability and the mental stress on the kid WILL be there, because of how society looks at things in our time. 20 years from now, things might be different,, but in our society right now, the kid would get teased and called names, just cause he has 2 dads....

I have read every post in this thread. I have seen you continue to repeat the same thing. But you have also made contradictory statements. The above is evidence of one. You claim you never said gays couldn't provide a loving caring family, yet in the bolded you flat out say they cannot provide stability.

I think the best point to come out of this entire thread is: Children will be teased for a multitude of reasons and the best way to deal with that is to try and teach children not to do this. If a kid gets fat you don't ban food. You try to teach the child how to be healthy. If a child teach another child for having two moms you don't ban the moms, you teach the other child not to tease. And I would be willing to bet children raised in a homosexual family are likely better equipped emotionally to deal with mean ignorant kids.

[Behshad]

Lets not get off track here. I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Im simply against getting a kid involved into the picture.
Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child,,,,,,unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.Simple as that ! Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,.,,,, Social science combined with common sense and observation clearly proves that children have the best chance to grow up in married, mother & father-based families. I dont agree with it when you put " proving your cultural statement and your rights" above whats best for the kid.

So let the homosexuals marry and then they can be just as stable as the married heteroes you speak of.
Since when does being a married hetero equal stability?
Evey child has the "right" to be loved and raised with love. Sadly, that is not happening. And it has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, I would guess that homosexual unions might have a higher ratio of loving homes because they have to truly consider all the ramifications of adoption and child-raising. There is likely far more communication involved before deciding to adopt or in vitro. Unlike many hetero unions which lead to accidental pregnancies, or apathy toward the idea (ie: whatever happens).

Go read my posts ,, I never said a gay couple could not provide a loving caring family for the kid,,, but the stability and the mental stress on the kid WILL be there, because of how society looks at things in our time. 20 years from now, things might be different,, but in our society right now, the kid would get teased and called names, just cause he has 2 dads....

I have read every post in this thread. I have seen you continue to repeat the same thing. But you have also made contradictory statements. The above is evidence of one. You claim you never said gays couldn't provide a loving caring family, yet in the bolded you flat out say they cannot provide stability.

I think the best point to come out of this entire thread is: Children will be teased for a multitude of reasons and the best way to deal with that is to try and teach children not to do this. If a kid gets fat you don't ban food. You try to teach the child how to be healthy. If a child teach another child for having two moms you don't ban the moms, you teach the other child not to tease. And I would be willing to bet children raised in a homosexual family are likely better equipped emotionally to deal with mean ignorant kids.

LOVING & CARING doesnt always equal STABILITY ! FACT!


Also, you wanna answer me on the brother&sister getting married idea? After all theyre also 2 human beings wanting to love eachother and marry eachother,,,

[jrnyman28]

Lets not get off track here. I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Im simply against getting a kid involved into the picture.
Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child,,,,,,unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.Simple as that ! Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,.,,,, Social science combined with common sense and observation clearly proves that children have the best chance to grow up in married, mother & father-based families. I dont agree with it when you put " proving your cultural statement and your rights" above whats best for the kid.

So let the homosexuals marry and then they can be just as stable as the married heteroes you speak of.
Since when does being a married hetero equal stability?
Evey child has the "right" to be loved and raised with love. Sadly, that is not happening. And it has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, I would guess that homosexual unions might have a higher ratio of loving homes because they have to truly consider all the ramifications of adoption and child-raising. There is likely far more communication involved before deciding to adopt or in vitro. Unlike many hetero unions which lead to accidental pregnancies, or apathy toward the idea (ie: whatever happens).

Go read my posts ,, I never said a gay couple could not provide a loving caring family for the kid,,, but the stability and the mental stress on the kid WILL be there, because of how society looks at things in our time. 20 years from now, things might be different,, but in our society right now, the kid would get teased and called names, just cause he has 2 dads....

I have read every post in this thread. I have seen you continue to repeat the same thing. But you have also made contradictory statements. The above is evidence of one. You claim you never said gays couldn't provide a loving caring family, yet in the bolded you flat out say they cannot provide stability.

I think the best point to come out of this entire thread is: Children will be teased for a multitude of reasons and the best way to deal with that is to try and teach children not to do this. If a kid gets fat you don't ban food. You try to teach the child how to be healthy. If a child teach another child for having two moms you don't ban the moms, you teach the other child not to tease. And I would be willing to bet children raised in a homosexual family are likely better equipped emotionally to deal with mean ignorant kids.

LOVING & CARING doesnt always equal STABILITY ! FACT!


Also, you wanna answer me on the brother&sister getting married idea? After all theyre also 2 human beings wanting to love eachother and marry eachother,,,

So which is more important? Marriages are so shaky these days. Everyone knows divorce is a reality and it has led to an almost fatalistic approach to marriage. Stability is all relative. All stresses factor into stability. But families certainly CAN weather those stresses with love and caring.

As for the other point, I have actually been giving that some thought. And I believe the biggest argument against that has always been the genetics, so by taking that out of the equation maybe it would be acceptable?

[BobbyinTN]

Youre so full of it.

Let me ask you this. If a 20 year old man wants to marry his 19 year old sister, but (assuming) you would STATE that they are unfit because of who they are based on your opinion , is bigotry on your end , eh ???

Hyperbole and strawman arguments won't work. Stick to the facts.

[BobbyinTN]

I have a general rule of thumb, I don't argue with drunks and retards because no matter what, you just can't win with either of them. I've just added BobbyinTN to this list.

Obviously those are the people who can argue better than you can.

[Blueskies]

Lets not get off track here. I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Im simply against getting a kid involved into the picture.
Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child,,,,,,unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.Simple as that ! Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,.,,,, Social science combined with common sense and observation clearly proves that children have the best chance to grow up in married, mother & father-based families. I dont agree with it when you put " proving your cultural statement and your rights" above whats best for the kid.

So let the homosexuals marry and then they can be just as stable as the married heteroes you speak of.
Since when does being a married hetero equal stability?
Evey child has the "right" to be loved and raised with love. Sadly, that is not happening. And it has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, I would guess that homosexual unions might have a higher ratio of loving homes because they have to truly consider all the ramifications of adoption and child-raising. There is likely far more communication involved before deciding to adopt or in vitro. Unlike many hetero unions which lead to accidental pregnancies, or apathy toward the idea (ie: whatever happens).

Go read my posts ,, I never said a gay couple could not provide a loving caring family for the kid,,, but the stability and the mental stress on the kid WILL be there, because of how society looks at things in our time. 20 years from now, things might be different,, but in our society right now, the kid would get teased and called names, just cause he has 2 dads....

I have read every post in this thread. I have seen you continue to repeat the same thing. But you have also made contradictory statements. The above is evidence of one. You claim you never said gays couldn't provide a loving caring family, yet in the bolded you flat out say they cannot provide stability.

I think the best point to come out of this entire thread is: Children will be teased for a multitude of reasons and the best way to deal with that is to try and teach children not to do this. If a kid gets fat you don't ban food. You try to teach the child how to be healthy. If a child teach another child for having two moms you don't ban the moms, you teach the other child not to tease. And I would be willing to bet children raised in a homosexual family are likely better equipped emotionally to deal with mean ignorant kids.

Right on. He said the unmarried too so he appearently thinks that single and divorced people are also incapable of raising healthy well adjusted children.
Well, I raised 3 sons on my own and they are doing just fine. There are example after example of children with both a mother and father in the home where the children have been abused, etc. It's a completely ridiculous argument to make to say that only a male and female pair could possibly raise a child well.

I totally agree with you...the bullies are the problem not the victims of bullying. Bullies stem from abuse they have received themselves and low self esteem..feelings of inadequacy, for the most part....and/or from ignorance and following a pattern of behavior they are taught by their elders and other children taught bad behavior by theirs. I would venture to guess that most bullies come from two parent, (male and female ) homes.

[Behshad]

Youre so full of it.

Let me ask you this. If a 20 year old man wants to marry his 19 year old sister, but (assuming) you would STATE that they are unfit because of who they are based on your opinion , is bigotry on your end , eh ???

Hyperbole and strawman arguments won't work. Stick to the facts.

Of course , anything you can't answer you label as that.

my point is clear. If you think you should be able to love another man , who are you to say it's wrong for a man love and marry his sister or aunt ?! Where does it end !? Do we stop when we have satisfied your needs and get your lifestyle socially acceptable ?!

[Behshad]

Lets not get off track here. I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Im simply against getting a kid involved into the picture.
Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child,,,,,,unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.Simple as that ! Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,.,,,, Social science combined with common sense and observation clearly proves that children have the best chance to grow up in married, mother & father-based families. I dont agree with it when you put " proving your cultural statement and your rights" above whats best for the kid.

So let the homosexuals marry and then they can be just as stable as the married heteroes you speak of.
Since when does being a married hetero equal stability?
Evey child has the "right" to be loved and raised with love. Sadly, that is not happening. And it has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, I would guess that homosexual unions might have a higher ratio of loving homes because they have to truly consider all the ramifications of adoption and child-raising. There is likely far more communication involved before deciding to adopt or in vitro. Unlike many hetero unions which lead to accidental pregnancies, or apathy toward the idea (ie: whatever happens).

Go read my posts ,, I never said a gay couple could not provide a loving caring family for the kid,,, but the stability and the mental stress on the kid WILL be there, because of how society looks at things in our time. 20 years from now, things might be different,, but in our society right now, the kid would get teased and called names, just cause he has 2 dads....

I have read every post in this thread. I have seen you continue to repeat the same thing. But you have also made contradictory statements. The above is evidence of one. You claim you never said gays couldn't provide a loving caring family, yet in the bolded you flat out say they cannot provide stability.

I think the best point to come out of this entire thread is: Children will be teased for a multitude of reasons and the best way to deal with that is to try and teach children not to do this. If a kid gets fat you don't ban food. You try to teach the child how to be healthy. If a child teach another child for having two moms you don't ban the moms, you teach the other child not to tease. And I would be willing to bet children raised in a homosexual family are likely better equipped emotionally to deal with mean ignorant kids.

Right on. He said the unmarried too so he appearently thinks that single and divorced people are also incapable of raising healthy well adjusted children.
Well, I raised 3 sons on my own and they are doing just fine. There are example after example of children with both a mother and father in the home where the children have been abused, etc. It's a completely ridiculous argument to make to say that only a male and female pair could possibly raise a child well. I totally agree with you...they bullies are the problem not the victims of bullying. Bullies stem from abuse they have received themselves and low self esteem..feelings of inadequacy, for the most part....and/or from ignorance and following a pattern of behavior they are taught by their elders. I would venture to guess that most bullies come from two parent, (male and female ) homes.

And as long as there are bullies bullying those poor kids around , there will be a problem affecting the child.
It's not that two gay guys can not give the love that the kid needs. It's the extra stress that the kid will suffer from , being teased and bullied . Maybe in 10 or 20 years when the society is more opened to the idea and kids don't look at it the way they do now , it'll be reasonable , but with today's society , it will hurt the kid in the long run.
And yes there are kids that are born into a heterosexual family that end up hurt and fucked up. But those kids are removed from those families if the authorities find out about it.

[Blueskies]

Lets not get off track here. I dont care who you sleep with or marry. Im simply against getting a kid involved into the picture.
Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child,,,,,,unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.Simple as that ! Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,.,,,, Social science combined with common sense and observation clearly proves that children have the best chance to grow up in married, mother & father-based families. I dont agree with it when you put " proving your cultural statement and your rights" above whats best for the kid.

So let the homosexuals marry and then they can be just as stable as the married heteroes you speak of.
Since when does being a married hetero equal stability?
Evey child has the "right" to be loved and raised with love. Sadly, that is not happening. And it has nothing to do with homosexuality. In fact, I would guess that homosexual unions might have a higher ratio of loving homes because they have to truly consider all the ramifications of adoption and child-raising. There is likely far more communication involved before deciding to adopt or in vitro. Unlike many hetero unions which lead to accidental pregnancies, or apathy toward the idea (ie: whatever happens).

Go read my posts ,, I never said a gay couple could not provide a loving caring family for the kid,,, but the stability and the mental stress on the kid WILL be there, because of how society looks at things in our time. 20 years from now, things might be different,, but in our society right now, the kid would get teased and called names, just cause he has 2 dads....

I have read every post in this thread. I have seen you continue to repeat the same thing. But you have also made contradictory statements. The above is evidence of one. You claim you never said gays couldn't provide a loving caring family, yet in the bolded you flat out say they cannot provide stability.

I think the best point to come out of this entire thread is: Children will be teased for a multitude of reasons and the best way to deal with that is to try and teach children not to do this. If a kid gets fat you don't ban food. You try to teach the child how to be healthy. If a child teach another child for having two moms you don't ban the moms, you teach the other child not to tease. And I would be willing to bet children raised in a homosexual family are likely better equipped emotionally to deal with mean ignorant kids.

Right on. He said the unmarried too so he appearently thinks that single and divorced people are also incapable of raising healthy well adjusted children.
Well, I raised 3 sons on my own and they are doing just fine. There are example after example of children with both a mother and father in the home where the children have been abused, etc. It's a completely ridiculous argument to make to say that only a male and female pair could possibly raise a child well. I totally agree with you...they bullies are the problem not the victims of bullying. Bullies stem from abuse they have received themselves and low self esteem..feelings of inadequacy, for the most part....and/or from ignorance and following a pattern of behavior they are taught by their elders. I would venture to guess that most bullies come from two parent, (male and female ) homes.

And as long as there are bullies bullying those poor kids around , there will be a problem affecting the child.
It's not that two gay guys can not give the love that the kid needs. It's the extra stress that the kid will suffer from , being teased and bullied . Maybe in 10 or 20 years when the society is more opened to the idea and kids don't look at it the way they do now , it'll be reasonable , but with today's society , it will hurt the kid in the long run.
And yes there are kids that are born into a heterosexual family that end up hurt and fucked up. But those kids are removed from those families if the authorities find out about it.

Any child from any home, regardless of the parental makeup can get bullied. Just like anyone that comes onto this forum, correct? I had two parents, male and female, but it certainly didn't come into the equation and keep you from trying to bully me on this forum for the last few years, did it.

IF a child is abused in ANY family, hetero or homosexual, and it is reported.. the authorities could remove the child.

[Saint John]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

[Michigan Girl]

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

lol
Your normal button has been broken for some time ...

[Michigan Girl]

I have a general rule of thumb, I don't argue with drunks and retards because no matter what, you just can't win with either of them. I've just added BobbyinTN to this list.

Obviously those are the people who can argue better than you can.

On this subject, yes!! Love ya, Sushi, but some of your viewpoints are WOW!!!

[Michigan Girl]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

Are you KIDDING? You actually think men were CHOOSING to be gay to avoid having children?!?!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I have EVER HEARD!!

It's insane!!!

[Michigan Girl]

But you need a liscense to drive yet you do not need a liscense to raise kids. Maybe if you did the world would be a better place. And then, whether it were a gay couple, straight couple or single person they would be Qualified to raise kids...

This is the most sensible thing I have read in this entire thread!!

[Blueskies]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

After I tried to decifer that messed up post the answer is simple....

@.) Sons and daughters aren't consenting adults.

@b. ) There are many male/female pairs that cannot "yield" children.

[Saint John]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

Are you KIDDING? You actually think men were CHOOSING to be gay to avoid having children?!?!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I have EVER HEARD!!

It's insane!!!

I don't think th@t's wh@t he me@nt. I think he w@s s@ying th@t before, you g@ve up th@t right by being g@y, @nd th@t now they (unfortun@tely) feel more "norm@l" by being @ble to r@ise children.

[Behshad]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

After I tried to decifer that messed up post the answer is simple....

@.) Sons and daughters aren't consenting adults.

@b. ) There are many male/female pairs that cannot "yield" children.

how do you figure ?! If you have a 40 year old mom and a 20 year old son , what makes them not consenting adults ,?!
Or is it your world, your rules & your laws again ?!

[Don]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

Are you KIDDING? You actually think men were CHOOSING to be gay to avoid having children?!?!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I have EVER HEARD!!

It's insane!!!

I don't think th@t's wh@t he me@nt. I think he w@s s@ying th@t before, you g@ve up th@t right by being g@y, @nd th@t now they (unfortun@tely) feel more "norm@l" by being @ble to r@ise children.

Do you and Red13JoePa use the same supplier for your computer accessories?

[Michigan Girl]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

Are you KIDDING? You actually think men were CHOOSING to be gay to avoid having children?!?!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I have EVER HEARD!!

It's insane!!!

I don't think th@t's wh@t he me@nt. I think he w@s s@ying th@t before, you g@ve up th@t right by being g@y, @nd th@t now they (unfortun@tely) feel more "norm@l" by being @ble to r@ise children.

Pat, I'd like to buy SJ a vowel for $500.00, please!!

[portland]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

Are you KIDDING? You actually think men were CHOOSING to be gay to avoid having children?!?!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I have EVER HEARD!!

It's insane!!!

I don't think th@t's wh@t he me@nt. I think he w@s s@ying th@t before, you g@ve up th@t right by being g@y, @nd th@t now they (unfortun@tely) feel more "norm@l" by being @ble to r@ise children.

Pat, I'd like to buy SJ a vowel for $500.00, please!!

Vanna I am LMAO!!!!!

[Jana]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

Are you KIDDING? You actually think men were CHOOSING to be gay to avoid having children?!?!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I have EVER HEARD!!

It's insane!!!

I don't think th@t's wh@t he me@nt. I think he w@s s@ying th@t before, you g@ve up th@t right by being g@y, @nd th@t now they (unfortun@tely) feel more "norm@l" by being @ble to r@ise children.

Oh, they only want children now to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural (his words) - not out of the desire to raise a child and love them LOL He's still kookoo for Cocoa Puffs with his thought process on that post.

[Blueskies]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

After I tried to decifer that messed up post the answer is simple....

@.) Sons and daughters aren't consenting adults.

@b. ) There are many male/female pairs that cannot "yield" children.

how do you figure ?! If you have a 40 year old mom and a 20 year old son , what makes them not consenting adults ,?!
Or is it your world, your rules & your laws again ?!

Good grief, being gay and people having relations with their offspring are not the same. Can parent and child have relations? People are capable of anything but the vast majority of people would agree that having relations with one's own offspring is abhorant. I understand that some people see relations between the same sex as abhorant as well. I don't completely agree with it myself. I personally feel it goes against what nature intended but I'm also aware that people are born with different makeups and that some are even born with both sex characteristics. I don't endorse homosexuality but I don't discount it either as simply being a choice. and I certainly don't judge homosexuals to where I want to ostracize them and have nothing to do with them. I have known several gay people and been friends with them. I also am aware that there are different species in nature that have homosexual relations. So I've always been kind of on the fence on the right and wrong of homosexuality to be honest but I do know that regardless of their sexual orientation that they can be just as capable a parent as you or I. I do not think that all homosexuals are deviant in their lifestyles and practices and would make bad parents. Are some deviant? Yes, just as there are some deviant heterosexual people. Do you and your wife have relations in front of your children? Well, there are gay couples that act responsibly as well.

[Behshad]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

After I tried to decifer that messed up post the answer is simple....

@.) Sons and daughters aren't consenting adults.

@b. ) There are many male/female pairs that cannot "yield" children.

how do you figure ?! If you have a 40 year old mom and a 20 year old son , what makes them not consenting adults ,?!
Or is it your world, your rules & your laws again ?!

Good grief, being gay and people having relations with their offspring are not the same. Can parent and child have relations? People are capable of anything but the vast majority of people would agree that having relations with one's own offspring is abhorant. I understand that some people see relations between the same sex as abhorant as well. I don't completely agree with it myself. I personally feel it goes against what nature intended but I'm also aware that people are born with different makeups and that some are even born with both sex characteristics. I don't endorse homosexuality but I don't discount it either as simply being a choice. and I certainly don't judge homosexuals to where I want to ostracize them and have nothing to do with them. I have known several gay people and been friends with them. I also am aware that there are different species in nature that have homosexual relations. So I've always been kind of on the fence on the right and wrong of homosexuality to be honest but I do know that regardless of their sexual orientation that they can be just as capable a parent as you or I. I do not think that all homosexuals are deviant in their lifestyles and practices and would make bad parents. Are some deviant? Yes, just as there are some deviant heterosexual people. Do you and your wife have relations in front of your children? Well, there are gay couples that act responsibly as well.

Phyllis. Pay attention. No one said anything about offsprings ONLY.

Bobby said that we are in no way allowed to judge two homosexuals getting married cause they're two consenting adults.
So how far do we go to accept that.
What if a brother and sister want to get married. ?!
Not having kids or family. Just get married and live as a married loving couple. With bobbys theory , then who are we to say NO to two consenting adults who wanna love eachother and live as a couple. ?!
Where do we set the limits as what can and should be accepted by society ?!
Before you know it the entire structure of socitet as we know if will be broken if we keep stretching and bending the unwritten laws of human family values.

[donnaplease]

You fix the problem by fixing the hatred and bigotry, not by allowing it and accepting it.

The FACT is that our society has not yet accepted homosexuality to the degree that it is willing to acknowledge and endorse allowing same-sex marriages. Our society is evolving, so we may be there someday soon, but for now, TODAY, marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman.

I don't hate homosexuals, but... I don't understand homosexuality. It doesn't make me a hater or a bigot.

[Blueskies]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

After I tried to decifer that messed up post the answer is simple....

@.) Sons and daughters aren't consenting adults.

@b. ) There are many male/female pairs that cannot "yield" children.

how do you figure ?! If you have a 40 year old mom and a 20 year old son , what makes them not consenting adults ,?!
Or is it your world, your rules & your laws again ?!

Good grief, being gay and people having relations with their offspring are not the same. Can parent and child have relations? People are capable of anything but the vast majority of people would agree that having relations with one's own offspring is abhorant. I understand that some people see relations between the same sex as abhorant as well. I don't completely agree with it myself. I personally feel it goes against what nature intended but I'm also aware that people are born with different makeups and that some are even born with both sex characteristics. I don't endorse homosexuality but I don't discount it either as simply being a choice. and I certainly don't judge homosexuals to where I want to ostracize them and have nothing to do with them. I have known several gay people and been friends with them. I also am aware that there are different species in nature that have homosexual relations. So I've always been kind of on the fence on the right and wrong of homosexuality to be honest but I do know that regardless of their sexual orientation that they can be just as capable a parent as you or I. I do not think that all homosexuals are deviant in their lifestyles and practices and would make bad parents. Are some deviant? Yes, just as there are some deviant heterosexual people. Do you and your wife have relations in front of your children? Well, there are gay couples that act responsibly as well.

Phyllis. Pay attention. No one said anything about offsprings ONLY.

Bobby said that we are in no way allowed to judge two homosexuals getting married cause they're two consenting adults.
So how far do we go to accept that.
What if a brother and sister want to get married. ?!
Not having kids or family. Just get married and live as a married loving couple. With bobbys theory , then who are we to say NO to two consenting adults who wanna love eachother and live as a couple. ?!
Where do we set the limits as what can and should be accepted by society ?!
Before you know it the entire structure of socitet as we know if will be broken if we keep stretching and bending the unwritten laws of human family values.

I have read here where you spoke about having sexual relations by either experience or in desire to have, with 2 females at the same time. I have also read where you and some other men have either had or had the desire to have anal sex with a woman. I think that goes against what nature intended too and IMO any man that wants to have anal sex with a woman must have latent homosexual tendencies. They don't want to be considered gay or have anyone else see them that way so they use a woman's body in ways it wasn't intended. I also think that it is wrong of you as a married man and father to surf porn and go to strip clubs too. I also think it is wrong for you as a father to go on the internet and leave a legacy of vileness, bad language, bullying and harassment. So where do we draw the line?

[Jana]

I agree with Phyllis regarding her statement about anal sex with a woman. Men that condemn gay sex but yet want anal sex with women I feel are gay-curious. JMO.

[Behshad]

Incest has been proven to cause genetic deformities in children, and most of the time both adults are not fully consenting (i.e. Mackenzie Phillips who claimed she consented but clearly was mentally warped by her father). It's different. Until a significant amount of children of gay parents have been shown to actually have issues, there's no comparison.

There is no comparison.

There most cert@inly fucking is. It's @bout "consenting @dults @nd their rights," @ccording to BobbyinTN. Why don't @ mother @nd son h@ve those s@me rights? @ f@ther @nd d@ughter? Now you're picking @nd choosing. Being in f@g rel@tionship "h@s been proven" to yield no children ... not fucking ever ... no ch@nce. Th@t's the "issue." There's prob@bly @ better @rgument for deformed kids, using BobbyinTN's (skewed) logic @bout "rights."

PS My norm@l "@" button is broken.

After I tried to decifer that messed up post the answer is simple....

@.) Sons and daughters aren't consenting adults.

@b. ) There are many male/female pairs that cannot "yield" children.

how do you figure ?! If you have a 40 year old mom and a 20 year old son , what makes them not consenting adults ,?!
Or is it your world, your rules & your laws again ?!

Good grief, being gay and people having relations with their offspring are not the same. Can parent and child have relations? People are capable of anything but the vast majority of people would agree that having relations with one's own offspring is abhorant. I understand that some people see relations between the same sex as abhorant as well. I don't completely agree with it myself. I personally feel it goes against what nature intended but I'm also aware that people are born with different makeups and that some are even born with both sex characteristics. I don't endorse homosexuality but I don't discount it either as simply being a choice. and I certainly don't judge homosexuals to where I want to ostracize them and have nothing to do with them. I have known several gay people and been friends with them. I also am aware that there are different species in nature that have homosexual relations. So I've always been kind of on the fence on the right and wrong of homosexuality to be honest but I do know that regardless of their sexual orientation that they can be just as capable a parent as you or I. I do not think that all homosexuals are deviant in their lifestyles and practices and would make bad parents. Are some deviant? Yes, just as there are some deviant heterosexual people. Do you and your wife have relations in front of your children? Well, there are gay couples that act responsibly as well.

Phyllis. Pay attention. No one said anything about offsprings ONLY.

Bobby said that we are in no way allowed to judge two homosexuals getting married cause they're two consenting adults.
So how far do we go to accept that.
What if a brother and sister want to get married. ?!
Not having kids or family. Just get married and live as a married loving couple. With bobbys theory , then who are we to say NO to two consenting adults who wanna love eachother and live as a couple. ?!
Where do we set the limits as what can and should be accepted by society ?!
Before you know it the entire structure of socitet as we know if will be broken if we keep stretching and bending the unwritten laws of human family values.

I have read here where you spoke about having sexual relations by either experience or in desire to have, with 2 females at the same time. I have also read where you and some other men have either had or had the desire to have anal sex with a woman. I think that goes against what nature intended too and IMO any man that wants to have anal sex with a woman must have latent homosexual tendencies. They don't want to be considered gay or have anyone else see them that way so they use a woman's body in ways it wasn't intended. I also think that it is wrong of you as a married man and father to surf porn and go to strip clubs too. I also think it is wrong for you as a father to go on the internet and leave a legacy of vileness, bad language, bullying and harassment. So where do we draw the line?

Phylster

I never said I'm against gay people. What they do is their business. It's their life and their lifestyle.
I simply said that I do not agree with them adopting a child because the child will suffer due to the fact that society isn't ready for it yet.

When it comes to anything sexual , whether it's watching porn or going to a strip club , that has NOTHING to do with being a good or bad parent. It's part of the adult life that you keep separated from kids , much like being intimate with you partner , DUH.
But since YOUR generation said it's wrong to masturbate then I don't blame you for your oldfashioned way of thinking.

Of course you would choose to pick a fight with me , even tho you agree with me on the subject discussed here , but once again, I ain't going for your juicy bait. All I have to say is You have bullied people on here ,, no not me or Saint John. I remember one time you bullied Eric Ragno , one of the nicest people I've ever met. Shame on you for being such a bad mother

[Behshad]

I agree with Phyllis regarding her statement about anal sex with a woman. Men that condemn gay sex but yet want anal sex with women I feel are gay-curious. JMO.

Very lame.

It's like saying a woman enjoying getting her snatch licked by a guy , has lesbo-tendencies and really wish it was a woman down there.

[Michigan Girl]

I agree with Phyllis regarding her statement about anal sex with a woman. Men that condemn gay sex but yet want anal sex with women I feel are gay-curious. JMO.

Very lame.

It's like saying a woman enjoying getting her snatch licked by a guy , has lesbo-tendencies and really wish it was a woman down there.

lol ...rebuttal!?!?

[StevePerryHair]

I agree with Phyllis regarding her statement about anal sex with a woman. Men that condemn gay sex but yet want anal sex with women I feel are gay-curious. JMO.

Very lame.

It's like saying a woman enjoying getting her snatch licked by a guy , has lesbo-tendencies and really wish it was a woman down there.

lol ...rebuttal!?!?

Now we know what word to use when we want an argument to end