Oil Spill Devastation

[The Sushi Hunter]

I'm still curious though where the Hollywood liberal environmental whackjobs are in all this. Hmmm...

I've seen Robert Redford running TV ads all week urging Obama to act. Kevin Costner has also been in the media promoting his own oil separation technology. They may lack the combined star wattage of an Al Gore Live Earth concert, but at least they're out there.

What's Kevin Costner's oil separation technology? That's a hoot, movie stars thinking they've got the answer to the problems. We already have an oil separation technology in place which runs pretty efficiently. We drill a hole in the ground, separate the oil from the earth, refine the oil and make fuel out of it that gives the machines that our existance depends on to burn.

[strangegrey]

There is so much truth to these statements above. If Bush was in office now, all the people who are missing from this issue now would be saying Bush caused this spill on purpose to benefit from it in some way. May even go as far as to accuse Bush of doing it to take everybody's eyes off the bad economy situation or some shit.

Oh you missed it. Seven already tried to tie this spill to Bush.

He even tried to link to propaganda from Ariana Huffington's site...as if it were any less of a pile of lies than it already is.




news flash, 7. Bush has been a private citizen for almost a year and a half already.

Blaming Bush isn't working for Obama any more....seriously.




But I'm not going to argue with that mentality.....the more dems contrinue to blame Bush for Obama's failures and that simply means more dems will be filing out applications to work for Ronald MacDonald on November 3rd.


Im perfectly OK with that.

[strangegrey]

Oh crap, he tried to pin it on Cheney too...

Obama's hands area SOOOO tied here...

Yet Bush and Cheney were sooooo effective in creating binding policy that Obama couldn't wrangle his way out from under.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What's Kevin Costner's oil separation technology? That's a hoot, movie stars thinking they've got the answer to the problems.

I think its his brother's company. Google it.

[BobbyinTN]

Cheney should be crucified over this shit. He's the one that stop regulations and is making money from the deaths of our soliders and now the coast that might never recover.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dude, Im sure you can agree...if Bush were in office, the environmentalist left would be fucking skewering him on a minute by minute basis.

The difference is completely and starkly staggering.

Obama is being given such a fucking pass on this, it's nauseating.

Agreed. Same deal with Afghanistan and reports of approved domestic assasinations. There's a whole host of policies that Democrats and the Press would have been up in arms over a few years back. This culture of silence stems from our horrible two party system. When Obama's actions run counter to his base, where is his constituency supposed to turn? The Green Party? Forget about it. So rather than piss on their one shot at electoral success, Dems just fall in line like tin soldiers.

That said, it seems that BP has been working around the clock on this. Aside from Obama involving the military, what other options are there? Maybe I'm just naive.

[ScarabGator]

my friend has hemmoroids 7.....you wanna blame Bush for that too?

[Rick]

my friend has hemmoroids 7.....you wanna blame Bush for that too?

Probably because Bush fucked him up the ass, just like he did the rest of us. He was just a little more tender. I hope he gets better.

[Don]

Obama needs to call Michio Kaku and give him complete reign of the military to handle this.

[Angel]

my friend has hemmoroids 7.....you wanna blame Bush for that too?

Where do you come up with this stuff???????

[donnaplease]

Cheney should be crucified over this shit. He's the one that stop regulations and is making money from the deaths of our soliders and now the coast that might never recover.

Ridiculous statements on all accounts.

[donnaplease]

Aside from Obama involving the military, what other options are there?

The governor from Louisiana seemed to have some requests which haven't seemed to get much attention from our prez.

What I find interesting is that other than the press conference the other day, BO has essentially been a ghost. When he had an incentive to be out and about, we couldn't get his ass off the TV. To see Bobby Jindal begging for some sort of federal assistance for LA that doesn't appear to be coming, yet BO is hanging out with Coach K and the Duke boys... unacceptable as a leader of our country in a time of a state of emergency.

Bottom line for me is that he can't trot all over the globe talking about environmental issues and yet sit on his hands with regard to this issue. The hypocrisy is staggering, not only from his administration, but also from other environmentalists and the media as a whole. Folks can talk about regulating this and de-regulating that, but when the rubber meets the road this was the unfortunate result of what is still our dependence on oil. And guess what? We were dependent on oil to sustain our way of life long before Bush & Cheney - Lucifer & Beelzbub to some of you - took office.

BO has cemented his legacy alright... as a failure.

[BobbyinTN]

Cheney should be crucified over this shit. He's the one that stop regulations and is making money from the deaths of our soliders and now the coast that might never recover.

Ridiculous statements on all accounts.

How? Have you read the reports? You should, and you will understand what I wrote as the truth.

Connecting the dots that begin with a Wall Street Journal exposé, we learn that Cheney's highly classified energy task force was responsible for the fact "that the oil well didn't have a remote-control shut-off switch," Pareene writes, "a thing that it seems every single offshore drilling rig should have."

http://www.newser.com/story/87681/whos- ... oncom.html

[BobbyinTN]

Aside from Obama involving the military, what other options are there?

The governor from Louisiana seemed to have some requests which haven't seemed to get much attention from our prez.

What I find interesting is that other than the press conference the other day, BO has essentially been a ghost. When he had an incentive to be out and about, we couldn't get his ass off the TV. To see Bobby Jindal begging for some sort of federal assistance for LA that doesn't appear to be coming, yet BO is hanging out with Coach K and the Duke boys... unacceptable as a leader of our country in a time of a state of emergency.

Bottom line for me is that he can't trot all over the globe talking about environmental issues and yet sit on his hands with regard to this issue. The hypocrisy is staggering, not only from his administration, but also from other environmentalists and the media as a whole. Folks can talk about regulating this and de-regulating that, but when the rubber meets the road this was the unfortunate result of what is still our dependence on oil. And guess what? We were dependent on oil to sustain our way of life long before Bush & Cheney - Lucifer & Beelzbub to some of you - took office.

BO has cemented his legacy alright... as a failure.

Calling President Obama a "failure" after little more than a year shows more bias than you probably wanted to. Especially after praising Bush and Cheney.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Everyone should relax, The Won told us just yesterday that "This entire White House and this entire federal government has been singularly focused on how do we stop the leak and how do we prevent and mitigate the damage to our coastlines."

He's on the job...


U.S. President Barack Obama waves after playing morning basketball at the University of Chicago Laboratory School in Chicago, May 29, 2010.REUTERS/Larry Downing


He's focused alright,....on his vacation.

Kato's looking for a new place to live.

[WalkInMyShoes]

I knew Parfait reminded me of someone - it's Kato!

[The Sushi Hunter]

Maybe Kato can move into the shed out behind the White House.

[steveo777]

The people trying to stop this leak must be absolute fucking imbeciles. They are trying to complicate a very simply problem with the least harm to their wealth. Get the drilling rig and platform outta there and lower an extremely heavy cap over the hole, anchor it down and pump concrete down the hole! How hard can that be? The PSI coming out of the earth certainly can't be more than what compression equipment can accomplish. Hell, maybe even use underwater curing epoxy. I bought some shit from Billy Mays once that cures when wet.

[Voyager]

All Gulf properties just lost half their value.

I don't see that Obama stopping his exercise routine will cap the leak any faster. Maybe Cheney should lose some sleep over it though... he's the one who removed the law back in 2005 that required a $500k acoustic trigger on all oil rigs, and it would have saved the day.

[The Sushi Hunter]

The people trying to stop this leak must be absolute fucking imbeciles. They are trying to complicate a very simply problem with the least harm to their wealth. Get the drilling rig and platform outta there and lower an extremely heavy cap over the hole, anchor it down and pump concrete down the hole! How hard can that be? The PSI coming out of the earth certainly can't be more than what compression equipment can accomplish. Hell, maybe even use underwater curing epoxy. I bought some shit from Billy Mays once that cures when wet.

It's a mile below the surface, so it's not so easy to fuck with it the way they really want or need to. Imagine, the Russians couldn't even rescue their guys under just 150 feet of water. I huge factor is lack of lessons learned knowlege base. A disaster such as this one has never happened before, so data on what works and what doesn't work to fix such a problem hasn't been established yet.

[Voyager]

One of the class action lawsuit attornies for the fishermen victims of the Exxon Valdez oil spill was on CNN. He said that the effects of the Gulf spill are going to horrific and mind-boggling. It took him 25 years to finally get a punitive damages award for the fishermen.

If we get some hurricanes this summer as predicted, large parts of the USA may take an oil bath.

[The Sushi Hunter]

One of the class action lawsuit attornies for the fishermen victims of the Exxon Valdez oil spill was on CNN. He said that the effects of the Gulf spill are going to horrific and mind-boggling. It took him 25 years to finally get a punitive damages award for the fishermen.

If we get some hurricanes this summer as predicted, large parts of the USA may take an oil bath.

Was that oil from the Exxon Valdez treated/altered in any way from the raw form that oil comes from the ground? I'm sure in the history of this planet way long before humans were drilling for oil, there were natural disasters to occur where oil was mixed in the ocean water like an earthquake occuring on an ocean floor, etc. What gives volcano's their fuel to burn, maybe oil, who knows.

One thing for sure, maybe it would help to be a little bit more optimistic about this situation. Lot of worry warts.

[Voyager]

Lot of worry warts.

Worry warts from oily dead toads.



Wait and see. I think it will be much worse than any hurricane.

[slucero]

The people trying to stop this leak must be absolute fucking imbeciles. They are trying to complicate a very simply problem with the least harm to their wealth. Get the drilling rig and platform outta there and lower an extremely heavy cap over the hole, anchor it down and pump concrete down the hole! How hard can that be? The PSI coming out of the earth certainly can't be more than what compression equipment can accomplish. Hell, maybe even use underwater curing epoxy. I bought some shit from Billy Mays once that cures when wet.

I looked this up:

At 5,000 feet, the pressure is the equivalent of 151 Earth atmospheres or more than 2,200 pounds of pressure per square inch. So the oil is orders of magnitude STRONGER pressure wise to push through...

As an example, a 200lb person would weigh 30,200lbs....

Yes they are imbeciles... for drilling this deep in the 1st place..

[The Sushi Hunter]

The people trying to stop this leak must be absolute fucking imbeciles. They are trying to complicate a very simply problem with the least harm to their wealth. Get the drilling rig and platform outta there and lower an extremely heavy cap over the hole, anchor it down and pump concrete down the hole! How hard can that be? The PSI coming out of the earth certainly can't be more than what compression equipment can accomplish. Hell, maybe even use underwater curing epoxy. I bought some shit from Billy Mays once that cures when wet.

I looked this up:

At 5,000 feet, the pressure is the equivalent of 151 Earth atmospheres or more than 2,200 pounds of pressure per square inch. So the oil is orders of magnitude STRONGER pressure wise to push through...

As an example, a 200lb person would weigh 30,200lbs....

Yes they are imbeciles... for drilling this deep in the 1st place..

I think what they are saying here is 2,200 pounds per square inch meaning that it crushes at that pressure, not that you would weigh that much. In other terms, if a person was laying on the ocean floor a mile down, they would be crushed by the weight of the water, which would be 2,200 pounds per square inch of their body.

[slucero]

a person who weighs 200lbs @ 1 atmosphere would weigh 30,200 lbs @ 151 atmospheres. I was trying to illustrate what that pressure would mean if it were a person standing there on the ocean floor....

anyway you cut it... at that pressure the oil is still way stronger than the pressure exerted by the by the weight of the ocean above it...

[Ehwmatt]

So, which of you genius bleeding hearts is going to join the boycott against BP gas stations?

Unfortunately for you and the station owners, BP does not even own the stations. They are franchises. So, before you boycott, know that you are fucking other individual Americans out of their business, not the evil oil company.

[The Sushi Hunter]

They may probably never be able to cap this ape completely. The probably last resort will be to drop barge loads of bolders down onto it and hope that the bolders will plug it. Either that or they can just figure out a way to start harvesting oil from the beaches and using that to make fuel.

[steveo777]

So, which of you genius bleeding hearts is going to join the boycott against BP gas stations?

Unfortunately for you and the station owners, BP does not even own the stations. They are franchises. So, before you boycott, know that you are fucking other individual Americans out of their business, not the evil oil company.

Ok.... where'd that come from chief?

We don't have any BP stations where I live. There was one here about 12 years ago, but it was short lived, only open for about a year. I have no idea why.

[The Sushi Hunter]

a person who weighs 200lbs @ 1 atmosphere would weigh 30,200 lbs @ 151 atmospheres. I was trying to illustrate what that pressure would mean if it were a person standing there on the ocean floor....

anyway you cut it... at that pressure the oil is still way stronger than the pressure exerted by the by the weight of the ocean above it...

I think I understand what your saying. Regardless, in order for someone to "weigh" more, gravity would have to be greater between altittudes. If a person is in a hole in the ground a mile below the surface of the earth, they won't weigh more because gravity of the earth is still the same. However, under water, pressure is built up basically because the water crushes whatever is displacing it, such in this case a human body. It's like if you had a tube a mile high and and inch wide and you filled it all the way up with water, the water pressure at the bottom of this tube full of water would probably weigh the 2,200 pounds that was referenced earlier as the pressure a mile below the surface.

This reminds me when I was a kid I thought I was smart and got a 12 foot section of 1" plastic pipe. I attached it to my snorkle and got in the deep end of the pool. As I approached about the three foot below the surface of the water mark, I had an incredible difficulty breathing in air. I could not breath in air much below the 4 foot mark. For many years I never understood why this was. It seemed so logical, you attach the pipe to the mouth piece of the snorkle and you should be able to breath in air while your deep underwater. It wasn't until I was in high school when I learned about presssures under water. Reflecting back to the time when I was in my pool with the pipe and snorkle setup, what was happening was my body was not strong enough to bring in air, because in doing so, I am displacing the water around my body as I breath in and my chest area gets larger. Three feet and above was not that bad, it's when you got the pressure/weight of that water on top of you. My weight never changed between the time I was a foot under the surface and five feet. The only difference was the weight of the water.

So in this oil drilling deal, if they have an object that weighs two tons a foot below the surface of the water and they lower it a mile down, it will still weigh two tons a mile below the surface.