Live in Manila in HD

[Abitaman]

I still don't think Arnel sounds all that great on this disc, but I'd pay to see it in HD.

My thoughts exactly. I think the quality is amazing... just not the vocals! I wish they had someone else like Chalfant on the vocals.

Are you guys fuckin' kidding me? Arnel's about as close to Perry perfect on the classics as you'll get. The guy's just flat out amazing in my book.

It is not all about sounding like Perry to me. Kevin would have been a better choice. Been in to Journey for years, but Since AP came aboard, I really could careless about the band. Their last cd was good, but not good for journey. Yea he sounds more like Perry than others, but there is more to "just sounding like" Perry to me.

[journey361]

No way no how, i watched the concert last night for the first time and Arnel is a singer who is in his own vocally, but he is not Steve Perry or anyone else for that matter, he's just Arnel. He sounded good on some songs but he has a same level octave at times and he uses this throughout his vocal toolkit that really is evident. He did not go over the top vocally where i think others singers who would have had that job may have. Arnel is a good singer, better than alot we have today in rock, but in no way even close to Steve Perry. No one vocally really is close to Steve Perry. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either not being honest with themselves or just plain clueless. How about Adam Lambert taking Arnel's job. How would that play out.

[Saint John]

No way no how, i watched the concert last night for the first time and Arnel is a singer who is in his own vocally, but he is not Steve Perry or anyone else for that matter, he's just Arnel. He sounded good on some songs but he has a same level octave at times and he uses this throughout his vocal toolkit that really is evident. He did not go over the top vocally where i think others singers who would have had that job may have. Arnel is a good singer, better than alot we have today in rock, but in no way even close to Steve Perry. No one vocally really is close to Steve Perry. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either not being honest with themselves or just plain clueless. How about Adam Lambert taking Arnel's job. How would that play out.

Minus the last 2 sentences, very good post.

[journey361]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

[Saint John]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers and I would think the job is Arnel's until he wants to give it up. But, if they did decide to make a change for whatever reason, Lambert would probably be a huge hit with them.

[journey361]

Yea, but this is fantasy becausr you know there is no way in the world he would ever want to join a band with players that old, set in their ways, and singing someone elses songs. I was just joking. Adam Lambert will always be just what he is now, a vocalist with maybe acting in the future. But he won't join another has been band.

[Saint John]

Yea, but this is fantasy becausr you know there is no way in the world he would ever want to join a band with players that old, set in their ways, and singing someone elses songs. I was just joking. Adam Lambert will always be just what he is now, a vocalist with maybe acting in the future. But he won't join another has been band.

He's a great vocal talent, but it's still to be seen whether or not he can surround himself with creative talent and chemistry, let alone whether he has enough of his own. And singing along side of Neal Schon is never a bad thing for a vocalist.

[journey361]

I want your opinion, is Adam Lambert better than AP?

[Saint John]

I want your opinion, is Adam Lambert better than AP?

Honestly, I haven't heard enough of Lambert to give an informed opinion. But, from what I have heard, I would be inclined to say he is a more polished singer with an incredible 4 octave voice. So, from what I've heard, I'd say Lambert is more talented, but I don't know how long his voice will hold up. Pineda has been singing for the better part of 25 years and can sing just about any type of music. In the end, stamina usually defines a singer so, for now, Lambert has the lead in a very long race.

[Ehwmatt]

I want your opinion, is Adam Lambert better than AP?

Honestly, I haven't heard enough of Lambert to give an informed opinion. But, from what I have heard, I would be inclined to say he is a more polished singer with an incredible 4 octave voice. So, from what I've heard, I'd say Lambert is more talented, but I don't know how long his voice will hold up. Pineda has been singing for the better part of 25 years and can sing just about any type of music. In the end, stamina usually defines a singer so, for now, Lambert has the lead in a very long race.

You = Gay

[Saint John]

I want your opinion, is Adam Lambert better than AP?

Honestly, I haven't heard enough of Lambert to give an informed opinion. But, from what I have heard, I would be inclined to say he is a more polished singer with an incredible 4 octave voice. So, from what I've heard, I'd say Lambert is more talented, but I don't know how long his voice will hold up. Pineda has been singing for the better part of 25 years and can sing just about any type of music. In the end, stamina usually defines a singer so, for now, Lambert has the lead in a very long race.

You = Gay

Let's hear your take on this, Rundgrematt.

[journey361]

If your asking me, no, im married and straight but a gay singer with a background in theater who decides to audition for AI and ends up second while being courted by Kiss, Queen among others makes me wonder. Hmmmmm, lets see, he's a 4 or 5 octave vocalist who never made it (he's 28) and was not discovered by anyone. How can that be, did he hide or is he too gay for a label to hire. Also, there are frankly thousand's of TRASH vocalist all over the frick'en USA and ABROAD that i would'nt piss in their ass if their guts were on fire. ANSWER: THE MUSIC BUSINESS IS FICKLE AS HELL. enough said.

[Saint John]

"Rungrematt" is Ehwmatt ... and I think he's been hitting the Miller Lite tonight.

[Ehwmatt]

"Rungrematt" is Ehwmatt ... and I think he's been hitting the Miller Lite tonight.

Dry as Phyllis's roach-infested pussy, actually. But I wish I weren't.

[Saint John]

"Rungrematt" is Ehwmatt ... and I think he's been hitting the Miller Lite tonight.

Dry as Phyllis's roach-infested pussy, actually. But I wish I weren't.

Oh damn ...

[Eric]

The whole Journey act has gotten pretty old and boring, with the third replacement singer and so many of the old tunes still being played on every recording/DVD. An overall snoozefest.

I call BS. This concert DVD was VERY much different than 2001. In fact, there were THIRTEEN songs played in Manilla Live that were not played on Arrival Live:


1. Never Walk Away

2. Only The Young

3. Keep On Running

4. After All These Years

5. Change For The Better

6. Still They Ride

7. Mother Father

8. Wildest Dreams

9. When You Love A Woman

10. What I Needed

11. Edge Of The Blade

12. Where Did I Lose Your Love

13. Turn Down The World

[Eric]

I had the opportunity to sit down and watch/listen to the Palladia showing of this, and while it looks good (although not really any better than upscaled from the DVD) the sound was not nearly as good. When a commercial came on the music sounded better on it than on the concert.

[steveo777]

I had the opportunity to sit down and watch/listen to the Palladia showing of this, and while it looks good (although not really any better than upscaled from the DVD) the sound was not nearly as good. When a commercial came on the music sounded better on it than on the concert.

So, that pretty much sums up that something in the sound mastering process of the DVD is fucked up. Hopefully, when and if they decide to release on Blu-Ray, the sound will get fixed. I don't know for sure, but I think the DVD didn't sell too good, except the initial sales out of the gate, so there may not be justification for future releases. It's too bad because it could sound really nice if properly produced.

[donnaplease]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers and I would think the job is Arnel's until he wants to give it up. But, if they did decide to make a change for whatever reason, Lambert would probably be a huge hit with them.

OMG! Dan, are you joking? Loyal? Bullshit. And before you go on about how they waited for Perry, I once again call bullshit. Not because they waited for him, which I agree that they did. But it wasn't out of loyalty, IMO. It was about knowing where your bread is buttered. Should they have waited so long? Many say no, and they may be right. Look at how SA was thrown under the bus, and how JSS was treated (regardless of whether you consider him a fill-in or not they should've handled his dismissal better, especially given his history with Neal).

I believe if there was a bigger and better deal on the horizon, Arnel would be back on a plane to Manila in no time flat. Of course, then folks here would either revolt because their guy was gone, or say 'it's just business' and go with the flow. In both those scenarios, the only loyalty shown would be the fans'.

[Deb]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers and I would think the job is Arnel's until he wants to give it up. But, if they did decide to make a change for whatever reason, Lambert would probably be a huge hit with them.

OMG! Dan, are you joking? Loyal? Bullshit. And before you go on about how they waited for Perry, I once again call bullshit. Not because they waited for him, which I agree that they did. But it wasn't out of loyalty, IMO. It was about knowing where your bread is buttered. Should they have waited so long? Many say no, and they may be right. Look at how SA was thrown under the bus, and how JSS was treated (regardless of whether you consider him a fill-in or not they should've handled his dismissal better, especially given his history with Neal).

I believe if there was a bigger and better deal on the horizon, Arnel would be back on a plane to Manila in no time flat. Of course, then folks here would either revolt because their guy was gone, or say 'it's just business' and go with the flow. In both those scenarios, the only loyalty shown would be the fans'.

Do you sometimes feel like this?!

Mind you it's probably one of THE funniest posts he has made in awhile. Journey, loyal to it's lead singers???!! Bahahahahahahahaha!

[Jana]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers and I would think the job is Arnel's until he wants to give it up. But, if they did decide to make a change for whatever reason, Lambert would probably be a huge hit with them.

OMG! Dan, are you joking? Loyal? Bullshit. And before you go on about how they waited for Perry, I once again call bullshit. Not because they waited for him, which I agree that they did. But it wasn't out of loyalty, IMO. It was about knowing where your bread is buttered. Should they have waited so long? Many say no, and they may be right. Look at how SA was thrown under the bus, and how JSS was treated (regardless of whether you consider him a fill-in or not they should've handled his dismissal better, especially given his history with Neal).

I believe if there was a bigger and better deal on the horizon, Arnel would be back on a plane to Manila in no time flat. Of course, then folks here would either revolt because their guy was gone, or say 'it's just business' and go with the flow. In both those scenarios, the only loyalty shown would be the fans'.

Do you sometimes feel like this?!

Mind you it's probably one of THE funniest posts he has made in awhile. Journey, loyal to it's lead singers???!! Bahahahahahahahaha!

I believe they are. Waited around forever twice for Perry. SA should have been gone a couple years b/f, but they were loyal to him. JSS doesn't count. They made a rash decision about hiring the last-minute fill-in permanently and realized the error of their ways, that he wasn't a right fit. Right decision to not go forward with JSS and rectify it quickly when few people knew he was their new lead singer; though, how they let him go was horribly mismanaged, absolutely.

[portland]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers and I would think the job is Arnel's until he wants to give it up. But, if they did decide to make a change for whatever reason, Lambert would probably be a huge hit with them.

OMG! Dan, are you joking? Loyal? Bullshit. And before you go on about how they waited for Perry, I once again call bullshit. Not because they waited for him, which I agree that they did. But it wasn't out of loyalty, IMO. It was about knowing where your bread is buttered. Should they have waited so long? Many say no, and they may be right. Look at how SA was thrown under the bus, and how JSS was treated (regardless of whether you consider him a fill-in or not they should've handled his dismissal better, especially given his history with Neal).

I believe if there was a bigger and better deal on the horizon, Arnel would be back on a plane to Manila in no time flat. Of course, then folks here would either revolt because their guy was gone, or say 'it's just business' and go with the flow. In both those scenarios, the only loyalty shown would be the fans'.

Do you sometimes feel like this?!

Mind you it's probably one of THE funniest posts he has made in awhile. Journey, loyal to it's lead singers???!! Bahahahahahahahaha!

Hmmmm...we need a term for the ones who actually believe this....how about delusional???

[Rockindeano]

The only person who Neal, Friga, Ross and Deen are loyal to is Benjamin. I have never met a worse group of people in my life.

A BIG Fuck You to that lying bastard Ross Valory. Take lessons and learn to play the fucking bass Grandpa.

[jrnyjetster]

The only person who Neal, Friga, Ross and Deen are loyal to is Benjamin.

Who the fuck is Benjamin?

[Michigan Girl]

The only person who Neal, Friga, Ross and Deen are loyal to is Benjamin.

Who the fuck is Benjamin?

[donnaplease]

I believe they are. Waited around forever twice for Perry. SA should have been gone a couple years b/f, but they were loyal to him. JSS doesn't count. They made a rash decision about hiring the last-minute fill-in permanently and realized the error of their ways, that he wasn't a right fit. Right decision to not go forward with JSS and rectify it quickly when few people knew he was their new lead singer; though, how they let him go was horribly mismanaged, absolutely.

Like I said, I get the argument about Perry, but I don't think it was loyalty that kept them waiting. IDK WTF they were thinking with SA, but they were culpable as well for what transpired there and when they got outed the only one to fall on his sword was SA. Neal's comments were laughable. And I hate to break it to those in denial, but Jeff Scott Soto WAS an official lead singer for Journey, even if only for a time. Attempts to re-write history are so frustrating to those of us who got behind that lineup. Whether he was a right fit for the band is immaterial to the way he was mistreated. These guys aren't loyal. If it's 'just a business' that's fine, but they shouldn't try to make us buy that whole "band of brothers" BS.

I wonder if the Journey camp supported John Kerry... they were for him before they were against him.

[lights1961]

OK Saint John, what didn't you like about the last 2 sentences. Adam Lambert drawing bigger crowds and possibly starting a new Journey sound that is more pop than classic rock. Cause thats what it would be, i could see management going NUTS now. We have a winner.

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers and I would think the job is Arnel's until he wants to give it up. But, if they did decide to make a change for whatever reason, Lambert would probably be a huge hit with them.

say that to JSS...

[Monker]

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers

LOL. Too funny.

If Perry or Lambert wanted the job, Arnel would fired in an instant.

They are very loyal to MONEY, not anything else.

[Monker]

The only person who Neal, Friga, Ross and Deen are loyal to is Benjamin.

THAT is the truth.

IMO, the only reason Arnel is there is the Wal-Mart deal and the fact that he could cover the older songs better then JSS. That's my opinion.

If anybody came along who would bring in more $'s then Arnel, Arnel would fired and on a plane. If Perry wanted to be back, Arnel is fired. If some high profile singer wanted to be in Journey, Arnel would be fired. Loyalty to ANY new singer is BS.

[steveo777]

Evidenced by the past, Journey is very loyal to their lead singers

LOL. Too funny.

If Perry or Lambert wanted the job, Arnel would fired in an instant.

They are very loyal to MONEY, not anything else.

I think you're wrong on both counts. Perry can't sing like he did anymore and Lambert is not Journey material.
and........I doubt the band wants to go round 3 after the past.