Sharia law here in Michigan. Unbelievable

[artist4perry]

Ari, this is how the bible defines love. Corinthians chapter 13. It also goes on to say that the greatest thing is love, that includes muslims. To love all of mankind.

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

[SherriBerry]

I have a question - why is it the police took it upon themselves to ask Christians handing out pamphlets on a public street to leave because their behaviour might be offensive to Muslims celebrating inside a mosque, but aren't able to ask those horrible protesters who picket and disrupt US soldier's funerals to do the same when their behaviour is obviously offensive to the grief stricken mourners inside a church? Regardless of whether anyone agrees or disagrees that the groups were within their First Amendment rights, it is an unacceptable double standard.

[Arianddu]

I have a question - why is it the police took it upon themselves to ask Christians handing out pamphlets on a public street to leave because their behaviour might be offensive to Muslims celebrating inside a mosque, but aren't able to ask those horrible protesters who picket and disrupt US soldier's funerals to do the same when their behaviour is obviously offensive to the grief stricken mourners inside a church? Regardless of whether anyone agrees or disagrees that the groups were within their First Amendment rights, it is an unacceptable double standard.

It isn't fair, but it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the Westboro Baptist Church makes its entire income from suing people.

[Michigan Girl]

I have a question - why is it the police took it upon themselves to ask Christians handing out pamphlets on a public street to leave because their behaviour might be offensive to Muslims celebrating inside a mosque, but aren't able to ask those horrible protesters who picket and disrupt US soldier's funerals to do the same when their behaviour is obviously offensive to the grief stricken mourners inside a church? Regardless of whether anyone agrees or disagrees that the groups were within their First Amendment rights, it is an unacceptable double standard.

My thoughts, exactly, Sherri!! Perhaps not everone agrees w/the handing out of pamphlets or what
may have been in the hearts of the people doing so ...but they had every right!! Michigan's
finest made an error here!!
I am reminded of a day, a few years ago, when I was attending a state championship football
game in New Orleans. Several of these ...Palestinians?!?!, the women were
wrapped from head to toe, were there by the dozens. I have never figured out why they
were there, they had every right to be there, but do they like/watch/play football?!?! Of course that's
none of my business, just wondering. I would have never paid one bit of attention to them,
but at half time they all flocked to an area where the kids gather to throw the ball around and
have some fun while they are waiting for the game to start, and proceeded to do whatever they do.
I learned later,at sunset, no matter where they are, they drop everything and do this, pray?!?!
I found myself shooshing the kids, who weren't even mine to shoosh, and sending them somewhere else to play and be loud,
just out of respect. Noone kicked these people out for doing their thing, noone tried to stop them, people
were showing them respect. Clearly they were attending a very loud and active American function
and knew they would be there at sunset ...why?!?! It is not for us to decide ...just as is wasn't for these officers to decide ...UNLESS a law was being broken!!

KW was not there ...he's in Grand Rapids ...
And "7", sometimes you are thee coolest, funniest guy, but you have a chip on your shoulder
worse than any black, yellow, red man I have ever known ...were you a slave in another life?!?!

[artist4perry]

I have a question - why is it the police took it upon themselves to ask Christians handing out pamphlets on a public street to leave because their behaviour might be offensive to Muslims celebrating inside a mosque, but aren't able to ask those horrible protesters who picket and disrupt US soldier's funerals to do the same when their behaviour is obviously offensive to the grief stricken mourners inside a church? Regardless of whether anyone agrees or disagrees that the groups were within their First Amendment rights, it is an unacceptable double standard.

Could be a difference in state standards. Did the First Babtists protest in this state? Personally both are messed up. Neither have love in their hearts. They started off saying that if a muslim even reads christian material it is punishable by death, so they hand them first out to muslim women? These women already are under overly strict muslim law. Why would you endanger them so?

[Michigan Girl]

Ooohhhh!! I misunderstood, I thought this was about rights ...not love!!
How can one determine what's in another's heart?!?! Someone fill me in
on the proper method of measurement so I can weigh in on this ...and I'm not joking!!

PS~ We are in America ...it is against the law to murder another!!

[7 Wishes]

Dan, I'd like to hear what source GW's "statement" came from. Facts please. And I also agree with him about you being hate-fuelled. Could you have possibly called him any more names in one sentence? For fuck's sake man!:roll: And while I agree that Glenn can be a little over the top at times... please point out a lie that he's told.

Beck's lies are so numerous and pervasive it would take me years to compile them in a multi-volume encyclopedia. Pretty much everything he says is horseshit.

http://glennbeckreport.com/glenn-beck-lies/

This site has hundreds of examples. Here's one:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/cash-for-clunkers/

If I had a nickel for every time some GOBP'er on this board had commenced name-calling and personal assaults on me, I'd be able to retire.

[Jana]

Speaking from a christian perspective, those guys were not acting Christ like. They were being confrontational. They knew if they went there they would not be welcomed. It was a celibration for arabic and muslim belieiving people. That would be as bad as a muslim going into a church and passing out muslim pamplets. It was not done in a proper spirit, it was just to adjitate these people. I think they acted rudely, and I am glad the officers took it upon themselves to ask them to leave.

Freedom of expression of religion is for the muslims too. Remove their rights, and you remove rights of all faiths.

Great post.

I can't stand obnoxious Christians, Jews, Muslims, you name it. To show up outside the Arab festival is obnoxious to me passing out Christian pamphlets. I respect everyone's religious beliefs. Just don't force your beliefs on me, say, if I'm clearly at a Christian retreat, and a Muslim or Scientologist is standing outside to target me where I obviously practice a different faith. It's beyond annoying. Now, as far as the legality and what the state statute it is, I don't know. They, obviously, have one, or county ordinance or something.

I don't see these people as loving Christians. I have some friends who are way more religious than me and truly walk the walk and are heavily involved in their churches, and they would never do this. I emailed this to one of my friends, who is a teen Sunday School teacher, and he emailed me back that this is what gives Christians a bad name, being so pushy of their beliefs and not respectful. He said there is a time and place for everything, and this wasn't the place.

[Since 78]

The Constitution is in the toilet. That's whats this is about, its not against the law to be annoying or obnoxious. People annoy me all the time, so what? this is supposed to be America. Note that he said they would have to be 5 blocks away not to be arrested. Good grief.

[Michigan Girl]

None of that ^^^ matters, it's an opinion ...they were within their rights!! I don't want your/anyone's thoughts
or beliefs pushed at me either, unless I specifically ask ...but it's not illegal~which is the point or not?!?! I'm lost!!

Not you 78, Jana's post...you were fast!! Wooo hooo ...I'm impressed!!

[Jana]

The Constitution is in the toilet. That's whats this is about, its not against the law to be annoying or obnoxious. People annoy me all the time, so what? this is supposed to be America. Note that he said they would have to be 5 blocks away not to be arrested. Good grief.

For me, I said I don't know what the State Statute is or the county or city ordinance. So whatever it was, is how it should be enforced, right or wrong. Then I gave my personal opinion on these kind of tactics.

[Since 78]

The Constitution is in the toilet. That's whats this is about, its not against the law to be annoying or obnoxious. People annoy me all the time, so what? this is supposed to be America. Note that he said they would have to be 5 blocks away not to be arrested. Good grief.

For me, I said I don't know what the State Statute is or the county or city ordinance. So whatever it was, is how it should be enforced, right or wrong. Then I gave my personal opinion on these kind of tactics.

The "tactic" was to prove a point. We are losing our civil liberties. They weren't in anyone's face, just handing them the Gospel. There cannot be a statute and if there is its unconstitutional.

[RossValoryRocks]

The Constitution is in the toilet. That's whats this is about, its not against the law to be annoying or obnoxious. People annoy me all the time, so what? this is supposed to be America. Note that he said they would have to be 5 blocks away not to be arrested. Good grief.

For me, I said I don't know what the State Statute is or the county or city ordinance. So whatever it was, is how it should be enforced, right or wrong. Then I gave my personal opinion on these kind of tactics.

"Congress shall make no law..." first amendment...you know the right to peaceably assemble?
They may have been acting like idiots...but that is their right to do so.

[ohsherrie]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Beck's lies are so numerous and pervasive it would take me years to compile them in a multi-volume encyclopedia. Pretty much everything he says is horseshit.

http://glennbeckreport.com/glenn-beck-lies/

This site has hundreds of examples. Here's one:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/cash-for-clunkers/

If I had a nickel for every time some GOBP'er on this board had commenced name-calling and personal assaults on me, I'd be able to retire.

You can do better than that, 7.
Glenn Beck has the dumbest audience in all of television. Think about it - would Olbermann or Maddow ever get away with putting on a tweed sweater, rolling out a blackboard, and patronizingly spoon-feeding US history 101 to their audience? It’s safe to assume that Beck’s viewers remain staring glassy eyed at the screen because it’s brand new to them. For all of Beck's hyperventilating against 'snooty liberal elites', he’s the guy constantly talking down to his gullible shitheel audience.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-house-v/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... embers-ha/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... es-insura/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -massachu/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ic-citize/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... en-propos/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... communist/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... eurologic/

[RossValoryRocks]

Intolerance, thy name is religion.

Pot meet kettle.

They have the right peaceably assemble...they also have the right to be intolerant.

[RossValoryRocks]

Beck's lies are so numerous and pervasive it would take me years to compile them in a multi-volume encyclopedia. Pretty much everything he says is horseshit.

http://glennbeckreport.com/glenn-beck-lies/

This site has hundreds of examples. Here's one:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/cash-for-clunkers/

If I had a nickel for every time some GOBP'er on this board had commenced name-calling and personal assaults on me, I'd be able to retire.

You can do better than that, 7.
Glenn Beck has the dumbest audience in all of television. Think about it - would Olbermann or Maddow ever get away with putting on a tweed sweater, rolling out a blackboard, and patronizingly spoon-feeding US history 101 to their audience? It’s safe to assume that Beck’s viewers remain staring glassy eyed at the screen because it’s brand new to them. For all of Beck's hyperventilating against 'snooty liberal elites', he’s the guy constantly talking down to his gullible shitheel audience.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-house-v/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... embers-ha/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... es-insura/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -massachu/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ic-citize/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... en-propos/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... communist/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... eurologic/

I don't listen to Beck, but come on...look at the source?

That is as reliable as Nixon saying he was not a crook. You can do better.

And 7's source is even less so.

[Don]

The Constitution is in the toilet. That's whats this is about, its not against the law to be annoying or obnoxious. People annoy me all the time, so what? this is supposed to be America. Note that he said they would have to be 5 blocks away not to be arrested. Good grief.

For me, I said I don't know what the State Statute is or the county or city ordinance. So whatever it was, is how it should be enforced, right or wrong. Then I gave my personal opinion on these kind of tactics.

The "tactic" was to prove a point. We are losing our civil liberties. They weren't in anyone's face, just handing them the Gospel. There cannot be a statute and if there is its unconstitutional.

You tell her, '78!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't listen to Beck, but come on...look at the source?

That is as reliable as Nixon saying he was not a crook. You can do better.

And 7's source is even less so.

Poltifact and Factcheck hold ALL politicians and public figures accountable. Like Snopes, they are a tremendous resource. If you know of a more fair, non-biased watchdog site, I am open to it.

[Since 78]

The Constitution is in the toilet. That's whats this is about, its not against the law to be annoying or obnoxious. People annoy me all the time, so what? this is supposed to be America. Note that he said they would have to be 5 blocks away not to be arrested. Good grief.

For me, I said I don't know what the State Statute is or the county or city ordinance. So whatever it was, is how it should be enforced, right or wrong. Then I gave my personal opinion on these kind of tactics.

The "tactic" was to prove a point. We are losing our civil liberties. They weren't in anyone's face, just handing them the Gospel. There cannot be a statute and if there is its unconstitutional.

You tell her, '78!

[Michigan Girl]

LOL @ the pinheads ...it took me a couple of hours !!
But yes, that is hysterical ...one pinhead flattened!! I am LMAO!!

At first I thought WTH, that doesn't look like a tactic ...

I know 78 did NOT get that right away ...do you know what you're laughing at, 78?!?!

[Since 78]

LOL @ the pinheads ...it took me a couple of hours !!
But yes, that is hysterical ...one pinhead flattened!! I am LMAO!!

At first I thought WTH, that doesn't look like a tactic ...

I know 78 did NOT get that right away ...do you know what you're laughing at, 78?!?!

Yes, I have no problem laughing at Pinheadedness, I do have a sense of humor.

[Michigan Girl]

LOL @ the pinheads ...it took me a couple of hours !!
But yes, that is hysterical ...one pinhead flattened!! I am LMAO!!

At first I thought WTH, that doesn't look like a tactic ...

I know 78 did NOT get that right away ...do you know what you're laughing at, 78?!?!

Yes, I have no problem laughing at Pinheadedness, I do have a sense of humor.

Well don't get attached, according to the other thread you all may be known as yama~yaks, soon!!

[7 Wishes]

You can do better than that, 7.

I know. I was at work, waiting for a client, and didn't have enough time to research it enough. Thanks for the assist.

Anyway, Stu - he's right. Websites don't get any more reliable than that. The difference between Olbermann and Shaunglenn O'Reillybaugh is that, while slanted, Keith can back up almost all his claims with actual facts.

[RossValoryRocks]

You can do better than that, 7.

I know. I was at work, waiting for a client, and didn't have enough time to research it enough. Thanks for the assist.

Anyway, Stu - he's right. Websites don't get any more reliable than that. The difference between Olbermann and Shaunglenn O'Reillybaugh is that, while slanted, Keith can back up almost all his claims with actual facts.

Well I guess if I watched any of them it would be worth arguing about, but I do not.

Though I still say your sources are suspect...especially considering Media Matters was created especially to debunk conservatives...and I believe they are biased.

Reading some of the links TNC has there...wouldn't the people Beck is talking about SUE him if his facts were that biased and untrue?

[RossValoryRocks]

If you know of a more fair, non-biased watchdog site, I am open to it.

I don't trust ANY watchdog site...they ALL on both sides have spin spin spin...I prefer reading the news from Reuters or AP and even my local paper and then forming my own opinion.

[7 Wishes]

Amazing you continue to defend him.

He's a disinfotainer, not a news journalist. His is the verbal diarrhea equivalent of an on-air op-ed piece. The laws are different.

[RossValoryRocks]

Amazing you continue to defend him.

He's a disinfotainer, not a news journalist. His is the verbal diarrhea equivalent of an on-air op-ed piece. The laws are different.

I am NOT defending anyone...just pointing out your sources are suspect...anything written with a slant...and yes Media Matters is slanted...left...and you know it...probably as much or more than you claim Fox is slanted right...

[7 Wishes]

Ummm...it's already been proven Fox "News" viewers are by far the least knowledgeable and intelligent, and it's also been proven that Fox, far and away, outright lies more than any other mainstream media outlet in the country.

[RossValoryRocks]

Ummm...it's already been proven Fox "News" viewers are by far the least knowledgeable and intelligent, and it's also been proven that Fox, far and away, outright lies more than any other mainstream media outlet in the country.

Sources for you assertations? I can't wait to see this...I don't watch Fox...or MSNBC or any slanted national news.

Local news is good enough.