Police have 'number of concerns' about officer's punch

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Postby artist4perry » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:46 pm

Teanagers today do act like they have no respect for any authority. On the contrary, they feel they can ignore, talk over, and become threatening to any adult who tells them they cannot do exactly whatever it is that they want. This is in all races. Now of course this is not the behavior of all young people, just the ones who have been allowed to talk to their parents and others in that manner.

Should the cop have punched her? That is left to be seen and determined by his superiors. We have too much instant cam with phones. And as it has been pointed out, we only saw what the person filming wanted us to see. Can you notice how large the crowd is around him?

He was more than out numbered and I saw at least two or three phones aimed at him to record his every move. I also know how hard it is to calm a girl that is that age down. I have had to hold one younger than that back when she wanted to beat the crap out of a boy in my classroom. He had it coming don't get me wrong, but I did not want her to get into trouble for throwing the first punch. She about threw my shoulder out in the process. She was beligerant and kept saying what are you going to do about him? I told her I could not deal with him until she calmed down! Finally she stopped. They both had to go to the office, but I pleaded her case considering he was making racial slurs to her. She did not get into trouble, but he did. If she had just let me deal with him, she would have never gotten into any trouble. She was just told to let me deal with students who are out of line. My shoulder ached for a week. And she was calmer than these ladies. It was my first day of class. :shock:
I have had parents get angry because you "touched" their babies. The baby in question was choking the life out of another kid. So I slid my arm between them and pulled the boy off of the one he was choking. I told the parent I had two choices, touch her baby, or let him kill another student. I chose to keep him out of jail, and save the students life he was attacking.

Teachers and policemen are having more and more problems with combatitive teans. Teachers are not trained in hand to hand combat. On the contrary we are to try and control situations without it escalating that far. I have seen teachers hit over the head with chairs because they were trying to break up a fight between two girls.

The NAACP look for any reason to jump into the fray and defend the african american girl. It doesn't matter what she did in the first place. They will get involved because they get free press over it all. Sometimes we need to hang back and get the whole story. I am sure these two girls behavior was far from lady like, and if they had just remained calm, listened to the officer, it would have never escalated to this level. I don't defend the policeman for punching the girl, but I was not there, and I don't know how bad it was for him.
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Postby Melissa » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:50 pm

I don't see him "manhandling" anyone, he tried more than once to keep her and the other psycho off of him, and the chick in the pink shirt even has some guy grab her arm at one point TRYING to get her to stop swinging her arms at the cop and getting in his face and pushing him. I don't give a shit what she or the other one did or didn't do before that, you just don't do that. You can clearly see too where he TRIES to speak to her face to face at one point, and she still just keeps flailing her arms acting like a freaking nutcase, both of them did. He wasn't "manhandling" either one of them, that's bullshit, he was trying to keep their stupid arms under control from getting hit and pushed by both of them. And for anyone to think the thing to do in a situation like that is to step in and "make" a cop do something else is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You don't "make" a cop do anything. There was a crowd all around them, obviously lots took place BEFORE this video started in order for a crowd to gather like that, and it became a very dangerous situation for the cop AND the other bystanders. Real easy to judge the hell out of the cop though when you're not the one IN that situation.

Hey don't get me wrong, I've seen other videos where a cop DID handle something completely wrong. But this is NOT one of them. And face it, she might be 17 but she's obviously no innocent "little" child. And apparently has been street trained well already. And if he had tazed her or pepper sprayed her or the other one to get their stupid asses under control he would have been judged for that too, and it's bullshit.

Oh and they mention at the end that one of them has been arrested before already for assaulting an officer. BIG FAT SURPRISE :roll:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:15 pm

parfait wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.


That's ridiculous. She pissing you off is irrelevant; if she broke the law is however. The police's job is to uphold the law, not teaching people a lesson just because you find it to be necessary. There's no raison judiciaire for that, dude.

On the topic: That was one weak ass cop. Jesus, you don't go around hitting people just cause you're too much of a pussy to properly arrest someone. You guys should see how the cops in France do their business, especially the Gendarmerie - these fuckers will beat you down just for looking at them. Paris is a criminal infested shit hole, full of racailles (gangsters from the suburbs) and I've seen several times how the Gendarmerie jumped out of their cars and kicked some criminal ass for no apparent reason.

Don't bring race into this though - it's not about that.
So it's ok for the French mob to beat you down just for looking at them,
but not ok for our American officers to handle perps as they see fit when someone is resisting arrest?!? I'm sensing a hint of
contradiction, perhaps I'm not understanding correctly?!? :?
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Postby S2M » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:46 pm

Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.


That's ridiculous. She pissing you off is irrelevant; if she broke the law is however. The police's job is to uphold the law, not teaching people a lesson just because you find it to be necessary. There's no raison judiciaire for that, dude.

On the topic: That was one weak ass cop. Jesus, you don't go around hitting people just cause you're too much of a pussy to properly arrest someone. You guys should see how the cops in France do their business, especially the Gendarmerie - these fuckers will beat you down just for looking at them. Paris is a criminal infested shit hole, full of racailles (gangsters from the suburbs) and I've seen several times how the Gendarmerie jumped out of their cars and kicked some criminal ass for no apparent reason.

Don't bring race into this though - it's not about that.
So it's ok for the French mob to beat you down just for looking at them,
but not ok for our American officers to handle perps as they see fit when someone is resisting arrest?!? I'm sensing a hint of
contradiction, perhaps I'm not understanding correctly?!? :?


Will you two get a room already! Jeesh... :lol: :lol: :twisted:
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Postby parfait » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:06 am

S2M wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.


That's ridiculous. She pissing you off is irrelevant; if she broke the law is however. The police's job is to uphold the law, not teaching people a lesson just because you find it to be necessary. There's no raison judiciaire for that, dude.

On the topic: That was one weak ass cop. Jesus, you don't go around hitting people just cause you're too much of a pussy to properly arrest someone. You guys should see how the cops in France do their business, especially the Gendarmerie - these fuckers will beat you down just for looking at them. Paris is a criminal infested shit hole, full of racailles (gangsters from the suburbs) and I've seen several times how the Gendarmerie jumped out of their cars and kicked some criminal ass for no apparent reason.

Don't bring race into this though - it's not about that.
So it's ok for the French mob to beat you down just for looking at them,
but not ok for our American officers to handle perps as they see fit when someone is resisting arrest?!? I'm sensing a hint of
contradiction, perhaps I'm not understanding correctly?!? :?


Will you two get a room already! Jeesh... :lol: :lol: :twisted:


Why would we need a room? It's summer, dude.

What I was saying was that that cop had no idea how to handle the situation properly. He managed to escalate a small incident into something that resulted in him planting a haymaker on the girl. The gendarmerie would have subdued the girl immediately.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:10 am

If you physically attack a cop, you can expect to be either punched, beat with a club, tazed, handcuffed, or shot. This girl got off with the least of these, so she should be thankful. Gender and skin color should have nothing to do with it.

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Postby BobbyinTN » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:21 am

The girl was in the wrong for ever raising her hand to the cop. That's just not done and she got what she deserved.
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:22 am

Keep in mind that the cops up here are VERY on edge these days- Within the past few months 5 cops were taken out by psychos.

I'm no big fan of cops, but this guy, seemed to be doing his job. The one gal PUSHES the cop and she wasn't even being messed with. She was interfering with an arrest (or a cuffing or whatever) and she DESERVED what she got. The guy was outnumbered, alone, and in a crowd of angry people. Neither girl was complying or listening to the cop and then the one started pushing him. He subdued her. He should have. The girls were also screaming "F this! F that, etc." they were out of hand. If the cop tazed her, it would've been the same reaction form the community.

Now, it's being turned into this huge racial thing up here. ANY TIME a black person gets hassled by the cops up here (right or wrong) the racial angle is always thrown into the issue. One of these gals assaulted a cop previously and has a record for it.

Granted, this started off as a jaywalking issue, but the chicks escalated it, not the cop...

When a cop is dealing with you, you shut the hell up, you don't start calling him an F'er and pushing him.
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Postby KDOUBLEU » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:51 am

parfait wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.


That's ridiculous. She pissing you off is irrelevant; if she broke the law is however. The police's job is to uphold the law, not teaching people a lesson just because you find it to be necessary. There's no raison judiciaire for that, dude.

On the topic: That was one weak ass cop. Jesus, you don't go around hitting people just cause you're too much of a pussy to properly arrest someone. You guys should see how the cops in France do their business, especially the Gendarmerie - these fuckers will beat you down just for looking at them. Paris is a criminal infested shit hole, full of racailles (gangsters from the suburbs) and I've seen several times how the Gendarmerie jumped out of their cars and kicked some criminal ass for no apparent reason.

Don't bring race into this though - it's not about that.
In my defense sir. This girl had hit me spit on me and tried to kick me and was drunk. So yep I got just a little bit pissed off. Im a really nice guy but I can only take so much..........
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Postby T-Bone » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:59 am

Here's a longer video with more before and after footage

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-061410- ... 4527.story
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Postby T-Bone » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:07 am

More info

Rosenthal = Pink shirt busted face girl. She lives in a "Home for Troubled Girls," and has no record of ever attending Seattle public schools.
Levias = girl being arrested for refusing to provide identification to the officer writing her a ticket for jaywalking.

Rosenthal was charged in November with second-degree robbery. According to prosecutors, she punched a 15-year-old boy in the face while she and a group of youths were on their way to a rave in South Seattle last Aug. 28. The boy told police that his cellphone and $20 were stolen in the incident. A 14-year-old boy told police that he was punched in the head and his hat was stolen.

Authorities say the case was dismissed when the boys refused to testify.

In April 2008, Rosenthal was charged with third-degree theft after she allegedly stole a minivan in Tukwila, prosecutors said. Kent police said she used a screwdriver to break the ignition and start the vehicle.

The charge was later amended to theft of a motor vehicle. Rosenthal was given a deferred disposition — charges would be dropped if she stayed out of trouble — because it was a first-time offense, said Ian Goodhew, deputy chief of staff for Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg.

Levias was charged in February 2009 with third-degree assault after she allegedly pushed a King County sheriff's deputy down.

According to charging documents, on Feb. 3, 2009, deputies were called to the Ruth Dykeman Children's Center, a Burien center for troubled girls, in response to a report that Levias was being abusive toward staff. When Levias was confronted by Deputy Amy Zarelli, she pushed the female deputy, causing her to fall, charging papers said.

Levias was given a deferred disposition because it was a first-time offense, Goodhew said.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:27 am

Unbelievable, yet, I'm not surprised!!

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Postby parfait » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:29 am

KDOUBLEU wrote:
parfait wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:I had it out with a 17 year old girl one night. She pissed me off so bad she deserved everything she got. I ended up getting cuffs on her picking her up and throwing her in the back of the cruiser.... I dont feel bad about it at all.Most kids nowadays have no respect for authority at all.


That's ridiculous. She pissing you off is irrelevant; if she broke the law is however. The police's job is to uphold the law, not teaching people a lesson just because you find it to be necessary. There's no raison judiciaire for that, dude.

On the topic: That was one weak ass cop. Jesus, you don't go around hitting people just cause you're too much of a pussy to properly arrest someone. You guys should see how the cops in France do their business, especially the Gendarmerie - these fuckers will beat you down just for looking at them. Paris is a criminal infested shit hole, full of racailles (gangsters from the suburbs) and I've seen several times how the Gendarmerie jumped out of their cars and kicked some criminal ass for no apparent reason.

Don't bring race into this though - it's not about that.
In my defense sir. This girl had hit me spit on me and tried to kick me and was drunk. So yep I got just a little bit pissed off. Im a really nice guy but I can only take so much..........


Alright, then the bitch deserved it.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:46 am

Voyager wrote:If you physically attack a cop, you can expect to be either punched, beat with a club, tazed, handcuffed, or shot. This girl got off with the least of these, so she should be thankful. Gender and skin color should have nothing to do with it.

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True. And he was within his rights. But the fact that he was going to arrest her for JAYWALKING leads me to believe skin color may have had a LOT to do with it.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:51 am

7 Wishes wrote:
Voyager wrote:If you physically attack a cop, you can expect to be either punched, beat with a club, tazed, handcuffed, or shot. This girl got off with the least of these, so she should be thankful. Gender and skin color should have nothing to do with it.

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True. And he was within his rights. But the fact that he was going to arrest her for JAYWALKING leads me to believe skin color may have had a LOT to do with it.
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:54 am

Rip Rokken wrote:I don't care what it looked like to onlookers or anyone else, those girls were nothing but loudmouthed idiots who resisted arrest and one of them got hit for it. They were both on him at once! He wasn't the only one who was using his training. At 17, she's already been trained to think she can do whatever she want without consequence, and that it's ok to resist any racist police officer that might take issue with it. Dude had at least 2 people videoing him. It has to be hard these days being a cop.



Thank you. You really have no idea what these guys go through and put up with.
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Postby Melissa » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:24 am

KDOUBLEU wrote:In my defense sir. Tis girl had hit me spit on me and tried to kick me and was drunk. So yep I got just a little bit pissed off. Im a really nice guy but I can only take so much..........


There are plenty of us who understand exactly where you're coming from, no need to defend yourself. People who judge cops so much are completely ignorant as to what you guys have to deal with on a DAILY basis.
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Postby KDOUBLEU » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:46 am

Melissa wrote:
KDOUBLEU wrote:In my defense sir. Tis girl had hit me spit on me and tried to kick me and was drunk. So yep I got just a little bit pissed off. Im a really nice guy but I can only take so much..........


There are plenty of us who understand exactly where you're coming from, no need to defend yourself. People who judge cops so much are completely ignorant as to what you guys have to deal with on a DAILY basis.
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Re: Police have 'number of concerns' about officer's punch

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:47 pm

Frontiers65 wrote:What is your opinion? Mine is he could of used pepper spray or a tazer. The punch was way out of line to a 17 year old girl.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/9641 ... #idc-cover

See the video below the story.


Obviously she didn't see this training video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzFEzzXbzso
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:51 am

Rip Rokken wrote:I don't care what it looked like to onlookers or anyone else, those girls were nothing but loudmouthed idiots who resisted arrest and one of them got hit for it. They were both on him at once! He wasn't the only one who was using his training. At 17, she's already been trained to think she can do whatever she want without consequence, and that it's ok to resist any racist police officer that might take issue with it. Dude had at least 2 people videoing him. It has to be hard these days being a cop.



Racist?
This basically changes the entire mostly righteous tone of your post, Rip.
:?

Anyway job well-done by that lone cop up against an agressive, resisting, beligerent, ingorant pair of perps and a lawsuit thirsty mob who were also straying WAY too close to a policeman dispatching his duties screaming at him.
At one point I thought the cleancut young male of color pointing his cell phone camera at the cop from about a foot away might actually be pointing a gun.
Lucky for him the professional didn't think so too.

Should've also lamped the braying jackass with the camera shrieking like a woman "ARE YOU SERIOUS?" over and over again.
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Re: Police have 'number of concerns' about officer's punch

Postby Frontiers65 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:17 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Frontiers65 wrote:What is your opinion? Mine is he could of used pepper spray or a tazer. The punch was way out of line to a 17 year old girl.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/9641 ... #idc-cover

See the video below the story.


Obviously she didn't see this training video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzFEzzXbzso




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Postby Saint John » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:14 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Racist?
This basically changes the entire mostly righteous tone of your post, Rip.
:?


Hey, Red, I'm pretty sure that Rip was implying that these girls in question have been taught to view most/all white cops as racist and as persecuting them for no reason. I think you totally misintepreted his post. :wink:
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:34 am

Saint John wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Racist?
This basically changes the entire mostly righteous tone of your post, Rip.
:?


Hey, Red, I'm pretty sure that Rip was implying that these girls in question have been taught to view most/all white cops as racist and as persecuting them for no reason. I think you totally misintepreted his post. :wink:


Not sure where your living but where I am, all white peope are considered and treated as racists until proven not.
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Postby squirt1 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:29 pm

I don't think all the police are perfect. Between the raising of $$$ from tickets,yes we all know townships, cities & states need the $$$, I laugh @ WLW -am covering what they call revenue enhancement on the Cincy X-Ways. Lately too many woman over 65 have been tazed. It is on Google and many news shows. That is way overboard !!!!! The one lady was in bed 84 and the cop didn't like position which he saw as threatening. Fire him and make sure he never works again as a PO.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:47 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Racist?
This basically changes the entire mostly righteous tone of your post, Rip.
:?


Hey, Red, I'm pretty sure that Rip was implying that these girls in question have been taught to view most/all white cops as racist and as persecuting them for no reason. I think you totally misintepreted his post. :wink:


Not sure where your living but where I am, all white peope are considered and treated as racists until proven not.


What do you mean, where you are?!?! You're a racist here, if you don't vote Democrat!! :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:15 am

Michigan Girl wrote:You're a racist here, if you don't vote Democrat!! :wink:


... and just plain stupid (or a free loader) if you do. :lol:
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