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Postby Don » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:52 am

The final act?

From Billboard Magazine - October 5, 1996
By Melinda Newman.
Transcribed by Gail Collier and Chris Santos.

NEW YORK--To quote one of the band's biggest hits, radio is welcoming back Journey with "Open Arms."

The San Francisco Bay Area act, one of the rock era's most commercially successful but critically maligned groups, is putting out "Trial By Fire," its first album in 10 years, on Oct. 22. In anticipation, Columbia released two singles to radio last week: the ballad "When You Love A Woman" to top 40 and AC stations and the midtempo rocker "Message Of Love" to mainstream rock outlets.

"We've never gotten a response like this," says Rob Roberts, PD at Miami top 40 station WHYI, about "When You Love A Woman." The song, which received the most new airplay this week, according to Top 40 Airplay Monitor, "is blowing everyone away," says Roberts. "We got a copy of the song a few days early and just threw it on the air. I went bananas when I heard it. This song is huge; this is a monster."

While a little more subdued, JR Ammons, music director for top 40 Atlanta outlet WSTR, agrees, saying, "I think it's a top five record, easily. We were a little skeptical when we first heard about it, because we knew there was going to be gobs of pressure from the label, but surprisingly, it was a really good record."

On the rock side, the picture is equally glowing. "Message Of Love," which debuts at No. 39 on the Mainstream Rock Tracks chart this week, "is a great new rock song," says Rick Balis, PD at KSHE St. Louis. "We're getting very good buzz on the phones for the song. It's a song that's unmistakably Journey."

That was exactly the goal the band had in mind when it reunited. Like the first two singles, the remainder of "Trial By Fire" sounds assuredly like Journey always has: dramatic power rock led by Steve Perry's full-powered vocal charge.

"Nothing sounds more pretentious than someone being something they're not," says Perry of the band's decision to not let its music be swayed by current trends. "One of the things we've always known is that there are certain musical directions that fit what (our) chemistry is about. We're going to sink or swim being what we are and not by trying to reinvent ourselves and not by trying to be the flavor of the month."

"Trial By Fire" reunites the members of Journey who represented the band at its popular height. In addition to Perry, who joined the band in 1977, the lineup includes Journey's two founders, guitarist Neal Schon and bassist Ross Valory; drummer Steve Smith, who joined the band in 1979; and keyboardist Jonathan Cain, who was added in 1981.

When the band broke up in 1986--Valory and Smith had departed earlier--it was still a hit-making machine. Its last album, "Raised On Radio," reached No. 4 on the Billboard albums chart and included four top 20 hits.

"We were kind of at the top of our game when we split," says Perry. "It's not like some bands that break up at the valley of their careers. I'll take responsibility for the breakup. The merry-go-round was going real fast. Musically, we'd said everything we were going to, and bands interacting the way we do, we needed a break--maybe for forever."

In this case, forever turned out to be a matter of years rather than a millennium. Each of the members went on to other projects; most notably, Perry continued his solo career, and Schon and Cain went on to form Bad English with John Waite.

While on tour behind his 1994 solo album, "For The Love Of Strange Medicine," Perry had a wonderful time performing his own material, but, he says, "underneath it all, I was missing more and more being the singer in Journey than I ever thought I would." Additionally, the crowd reaction to the five or six Journey songs he threw into every night's performance was overwhelming.

Because of a severe respiratory illness, Perry had to cancel the end of his tour and was confined to bed. During that time, he thought more and more about Journey. Meanwhile, Columbia Records (U.S.) president Don Ienner called Perry's manager, wondering if the band would ever get together again.

Senior VP of A&R (U.S.) John Kalodner, whom Perry refers to as "the Henry Kissinger of rock," began talking to Cain, Perry, and Schon about re-forming. That led to Perry doing something he thought he might never do again: calling Cain.

"I was excited his number hadn't changed," says Perry. "I hadn't talked to him in years." The two got together a few weeks later in a local coffee shop, "and I said, "Just listen man, before it's too late. For reasons God only knows, there's a lot of people out there who love us, and I saw some of them not too long ago. Maybe it's time to try again," " recalls Perry. After a similar meeting with Schon, the three sat down to try to write together for the first time in more than a decade.

"That was the first thing we had to do--see if we had the spark to write again," says Perry. "If that was there, perhaps instead of putting together a touring (only) campaign, which is not what this is, we could come back as a real band. That's exactly what we've done."

With the songwriting team firmly in place, and Smith and Valory re-enlisted, the band entered the studio with producer Kevin Shirley and recorded 16 songs in four months.

As the band members prepared material for the album, they discussed who should helm their career, eventually deciding on Irving Azoff, the manager behind the Eagles" tremendously successful reunion. "He's done an incredible job with the Eagles, but that didn't have a lot to do with why we picked him," says Perry. "It was more because we all felt overwhelmingly comfortable about working with him."

Similarly to the Eagles, Journey is planning a major, potentially worldwide tour, but not before getting some loose ends tied up. "We're still cleaning up some of our past legal ties," says Perry. "Some were in the way of the re-formation and have gotten cleared, and some have yet to be cleared. But my (hope) is that we will tour in the early part of 1997."

Until then, Columbia plans to make sure that the record-buying public knows that Journey is back.

One week prior to the release of "Trial By Fire," Columbia will issue remastered versions of Journey's eight top-selling albums and Perry's double-platinum 1984 solo effort, "Street Talk."

"The whole point is to highlight the catalog and give them a week to breathe before the coming Journey album," says VP of marketing (U.S.) Tom Corson. "We built a stand-up floor piece for retail, with artwork from the new album and with space for every Journey record and the (1993) boxed set."

There are also plans for a radio special the day of release, as well as launch parties the night before at all 26 Hard Rock Cafes nationwide.

"The reaction to this album is already massive," says Corson. "It's like they picked up just where they stopped."

Not so fast, says Perry, who is clearly not interested in looking back. "I don't know if I want to pick up where I left off. The music business can be a choke chain, and you have to be aware of that, especially when you still have a few marks around your neck from it," he says.

"This time feels so much better, and I don't think it could have happened one inch sooner. Everything had to have happened as it did. You can't push the river any quicker than it flows."

(c) BPI Communications, 1996 ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:14 am

Most of us have known it's always been Perry's fault, but that memorializes it in writing. It just makes some of his comments like "I never really felt like part of the band" more pukeworthy. He was a great singer, but also a 1st class prick. Yes one can be both. :wink:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:21 am

steveo777 wrote:Most of us have known it's always been Perry's fault, but that memorializes it in writing. It just makes some of his comments like "I never really felt like part of the band" more pukeworthy. He was a great singer, but I'm also a 1st class prick. Yes one can be both. :wink:
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Postby Don » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:31 am

steveo777 wrote:Most of us have known it's always been Perry's fault, but that memorializes it in writing. It just makes some of his comments like "I never really felt like part of the band" more pukeworthy. He was a great singer, but also a 1st class prick. Yes one can be both. :wink:


Don't talk about Cain that way. Don't you know, Arnel's made him a better person.

Just kidding, Friga.



Seriously.


Just.....kidding.
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:57 am

Perry's a wuss!
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Postby Don » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:58 am

Since 78 wrote:Perry's a wuss!


And a puss.
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:32 am

Don wrote:
Since 78 wrote:Perry's a wuss!


And a puss.


Huge nose too!

Used to be a pretty good singer though.
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Postby Jana » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:39 am

Perry was the Prima Donna since Frontiers and from then on had Neal and Jon's balls in his hands. Missing the band
while on the road with his solo tour. Right. More like hearing they were going on without him with Rolie and Chalfant spurred him on, with the label pushing
for this. Never keeping in touch with his band members all those years from ROR to TBF, very strange. Brothers, all right. LOL Oh, well, it was nice they did get back together and made an album together. It would have been very sad not to have heard anything from my fab five in the '90s time period.
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Postby Don » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:40 am

Since 78 wrote:
Don wrote:
Since 78 wrote:Perry's a wuss!


And a puss.


Huge nose too!

Used to be a pretty good singer though.


The singer they got now is pretty good. Hugh head though.
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Postby Since 78 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:58 am

Don wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Don wrote:
Since 78 wrote:Perry's a wuss!


And a puss.


Huge nose too!

Used to be a pretty good singer though.


The singer they got now is pretty good. Hugh head though.


Touche! :)
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Postby fredinator » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:59 pm

Boy, great article! Why in the world was it a big deal to call JC? I don't get that. Did they have a previous falling out? **Sigh** Working with someone like that can be very tiresome indeed. This article has made me a little sad actually.
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:40 pm

I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:50 am

annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
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Postby portland » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:04 am

Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?


She hit a nerve 78??
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Postby lights1961 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:09 am

fredinator wrote:Boy, great article! Why in the world was it a big deal to call JC? I don't get that. Did they have a previous falling out? **Sigh** Working with someone like that can be very tiresome indeed. This article has made me a little sad actually.


it would be great to get one more out of Schon, Cain and Perry... and correct it does make for a sad reading...
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:11 am

Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:
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Postby portland » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:15 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:



Well said...and 78 is a Loon at heart....he just needs to be reminded.
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:19 am

portland wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?


She hit a nerve 78??


No.
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Postby Don » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:22 am

I've got some rare pictures.
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:23 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:


What History? Legacy? She's never seen any incarnation live.

You on the other hand I respect. At least you've given the new guys a shot.
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Postby portland » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:24 am

Don wrote:I've got some rare pictures.


I like the one in your signature....can you imagine?

What a band....What a singer...What a crowd!!

It was a moment in time....will never be repeated.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:56 am

Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:


What History? Legacy? She's never seen any incarnation live.

You on the other hand I respect. At least you've given the new guys a shot.

Annie has more knowledge than some here claim to have.
I respect her decency and her desire to ensure accuracy.
She has done her homework, well!!
I respect you just because you seem like a stand up
guy ...I don't care that you've seen any incarnation live
or that you're a pinhead. :wink:
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Postby portland » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:29 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:


What History? Legacy? She's never seen any incarnation live.

You on the other hand I respect. At least you've given the new guys a shot.

Annie has more knowledge than some here claim to have.
I respect her decency and her desire to ensure accuracy.
She has done her homework, well!!
I respect you just because you seem like a stand up
guy ...I don't care that you've seen any incarnation live
or that you're a pinhead. :wink:



I did not think that it was a requirement to see Journey live in order to be a fan.

By the way I own Arrival and Revelation.

Sorry that is not considered enough to give the other guys a chance.....that was an interesting come back I will give you that.
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:39 am

portland wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:


What History? Legacy? She's never seen any incarnation live.

You on the other hand I respect. At least you've given the new guys a shot.

Annie has more knowledge than some here claim to have.
I respect her decency and her desire to ensure accuracy.
She has done her homework, well!!
I respect you just because you seem like a stand up
guy ...I don't care that you've seen any incarnation live
or that you're a pinhead. :wink:



I did not think that it was a requirement to see Journey live in order to be a fan.

By the way I own Arrival and Revelation.

Sorry that is not considered enough to give the other guys a chance.....that was an interesting come back I will give you that.


I didn't say you have to see them live, but I also think it takes a little more than watching BTM 30 times and reading old articles. Who gives a Rats butt about Tapegate and JSS? I have for the most part tried to lay off Perry, it is what it is, so just drop it or be prepared.
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Postby portland » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:36 am

Since 78 wrote:
portland wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?
Annie is not a drooling loon!!
She cares about the songs, the legacy and the history!! She, like many of us, has and shows respect
for the sheer genius that is Steve Perry. Loons like us do not dismiss the fact that it was more than
SP that made Journey a success, we just spend so much time defending his legacy from the idiots
who want to blame him for every error/bad decision, that we neglect the other members ...
and they do deserve praise!!! :wink:


What History? Legacy? She's never seen any incarnation live.

You on the other hand I respect. At least you've given the new guys a shot.

Annie has more knowledge than some here claim to have.
I respect her decency and her desire to ensure accuracy.
She has done her homework, well!!
I respect you just because you seem like a stand up
guy ...I don't care that you've seen any incarnation live
or that you're a pinhead. :wink:



I did not think that it was a requirement to see Journey live in order to be a fan.

By the way I own Arrival and Revelation.

Sorry that is not considered enough to give the other guys a chance.....that was an interesting come back I will give you that.


I didn't say you have to see them live, but I also think it takes a little more than watching BTM 30 times and reading old articles. Who gives a Rats butt about Tapegate and JSS? I have for the most part tried to lay off Perry, it is what it is, so just drop it or be prepared.



Gee thanks!!

I think you got my point.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:36 am

Since 78 wrote:I didn't say you have to see them live, but I also think it takes a little more than watching
BTM 30 times and reading old articles. Who gives a Rats butt about Tapegate and JSS?
I have for the most part tried to lay off Perry, it is what it is, so just drop it or be prepared.

This made me laugh and then at the end scared me a little!! :shock: :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:46 am

Since 78 wrote:I didn't say you have to see them live, but I also think it takes a little more than watching
BTM 30 times and reading old articles. Who gives a Rats butt about Tapegate and JSS?


LOL, ask the band if they give a shit about lipping...they'll deny it vehemently. That should tell you something right there. If it's no biggie as you suggest, then they should just come out and admit it, right?

Oh yeah, and JSS? That piece of shit did nothing but save Journey's collective asses. Had he not saved the DL tour, the entire music world would have known why they canceled. Too bad none of the four remaining guys in the band have half the character of Jeff.
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:25 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Since 78 wrote:I didn't say you have to see them live, but I also think it takes a little more than watching
BTM 30 times and reading old articles. Who gives a Rats butt about Tapegate and JSS?


LOL, ask the band if they give a shit about lipping...they'll deny it vehemently. That should tell you something right there. If it's no biggie as you suggest, then they should just come out and admit it, right?

Oh yeah, and JSS? That piece of shit did nothing but save Journey's collective asses. Had he not saved the DL tour, the entire music world would have known why they canceled. Too bad none of the four remaining guys in the band have half the character of Jeff.


This was my point, she wanted to take the focus off of Perry and get you to do exactly this. I care about all of that, but nothing is going to change it. Why keep bring it up, except for you and I know you have your own issues. I can't respond to that.
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Postby annie89509 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:11 pm

Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?

FYI...I've checked the SP rare pics thread maybe 5 times in the year the thread has been running...don't think I even made 1 post, except maybe early on when I commented that ROR-Steve was hunk-y with his different tuxedo jacket get-ups. In contrast, I can see you going in there constantly just to rag on SP admirers :roll: .
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:15 pm

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Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:I don't get it...this always happens when SP opens up (even when it's an old article dredged up).
Hey folks...it takes a big man to take responsibility for faults/things that went wrong.... for that, he's called every name in the book?!?
So he says he hadn't talked to Jon for years....hello?....the telephone works both ways!!

Now...why don't we discuss Neal's/Jon's involvement in Tapegate and JSS firing, instead? :twisted:


Whatever.... Don't you have some rare pictures to go drool over?

FYI...I've checked the SP rare pics thread maybe 5 times in the year the thread has been running...don't think I even made 1 post, except maybe early on when I commented that ROR-Steve was hunk-y with his different tuxedo jacket get-ups. In contrast, I can see you going in there constantly just to rag on SP admirers :roll: .


Not the :roll: Wow! That hurts!
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