Oil Spill Devastation

[treetopovskaya]

these pictures brought tears to my eyes...

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2 ... 744&ref=mf

god bless everyone who is helping to save the animals. }:C))

[7 Wishes]

I wonder where Rush weighs in on this issue, since he once remarked, "If the spotted owl can't adapt to the superiority of mankind, screw it!"

[treetopovskaya]

good advice... & maybe also learn how to use the quote feature. }:C)

I'll tell you what...when you start using (even on occasion) decent grammar, punctuation, and capitalization, I'll utilize the quote feature a little more liberally. How does that sound, buttercup?

hey! lula types like me too! }:C) pfft.

i'm not trying to be a jerk... it's hard to know who you're talking to or sometimes what you're talking about without you using the quote feature.

(i prolly do have bad grammar cuz i text 2 much. lolol!)

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, relax. I've held Obama to task more and more, and have been very candid in my lack of support for the way he's handled his first 18 months.

That has NOTHING to do with lights1961's remarks about Bush's "Mission Accomplished" spiel.

It's not for me to enumerate what the President should do at this juncture. It would help if there wasn't such derision and division. A little cooperation from the GOP would be very helpful, and an acknowledgement from the left that the impact of our current lifestyles on the future of the environment won't matter much if the defici increases to the degree that the dollar devalues like the Italian Lire.

Well considering the carrier had just ended its mission, had done it's job WELL, mission accomplished fit. What the liberals and such read into it is their own problem. Now the "End of major combat operations" stuff from Bush was wrong...considering we needed the surge to finish it off...

[7 Wishes]

Tree, I don't understand how your generation texts all the time. It's such a pain in the ass! I can tell someone in a 30 second phone conversation what it would take me 15 minutes to type out on my iPhone. You have too much patience. And my pea brain can't hold a thought long enough to remember WTF I was texting about in the first place.

[RossValoryRocks]

Tree, I don't understand how your generation texts all the time. It's such a pain in the ass! I can tell someone in a 30 second phone conversation what it would take me 15 minutes to type out on my iPhone. You have too much patience. And my pea brain can't hold a thought long enough to remember WTF I was texting about in the first place.

SOMETHING WE AGREE ON TOTALLY!

[Rockindeano]

It's funny how no matter WHAT is said about Obama... you go right back to Bush. EVERY time! What does Bush have to do with my post? Nothing! You act like I loved Bush, and while I did agree with the war in the beginning, I changed my opinion about three years ago. Bush fucked a lot of things up in this country, and his spending was WAY out of control. His last term was pretty laughable. I still think he's a decent human being, but he made several shitty decisions.

I never said your post had anything to do with Bush. You do admit you respect him as a human and I can never recall you blasting Bush like you do Obama. However, while we're at it, kindly tell me why you think he is a decent human being? His lies costs thousands of lives. I wonder if your tune would change had you been ordered to go over to Iraq, based on a LIE? You call it "shitty decisions," I call it being a reprehensible motherfucker.

As far as Obama goes, I respect the position he holds... nothing more. You earn respect, and he has not done that.

Ok, but Bush earned your respect? He didn't earn mine. He and Cheney can enjoy Hell.

He's thrown us into more debt than any other president in our history,

That remains to be seen. Some of what he hs done is necessary

he crammed his health care agenda down the throats of Americans who as a majority did NOT want it,

Good. It was the right thing to do. You conservatives don't like it, because you don't know what it entails. The GOP ledership has distorted it and lied so much about it, you haven't a clue as to whether it is a good bill or not. The fact that it will help millions of Americans is a good thing. Don't like it, tough shit. Why Obama even sought GOP thoughts on this issue is beyond me. He had to know all they were going to say was "no" anyway. Fuck the GOP.

and he's handled this oil spill just like mayor Nagin. All he's interested in is pointing fingers, "ass-kicking", and throwing accusations. Just like Louisiana had Busses sitting there, we now have oil skimmers there... SITTING there doing nothing!

So when Bush was president, Katrina was the fault of Nagin, and now that Obama is the president, it's the president's fault? Hmm. Why hasn't Jindhal used any of the resources given to him by the administration? LOL, remember that fucking idiot refused to accept the stimulus money? Yeah, he has "president" written all over him.

He will prove to be one of the worst presidents of all time. Mark my words. He has ZERO leadership abilities, and it's all coming to light in front of America's eyes on a daily basis. Just turn on the news and watch it unfold...

Sorry bud, the worst ever president just left office. I guess being the governor of the state of Texas, running companies into the ground, is fodder for good experience? I wacthed in real time disaster unfold for the lst 8 years. His name was George W Bush.

Oh, and Bush served his country through his military service. You keep throwing up a document that was proved to be a fake. And in worse-case scenario, and he DID get out early... at least he served!

How hard was this for you to type? You can't possibly be proud of W's service? Missing physical's to get out of actual combat, covering up cocaine drug tests....you must be proud to call George W Bush a "decent human being." Incredible. God, I am glad I am out of the fucking military. The mindset of the lifers is unreal. Don't get me wrong, I think you are a great guy, but your undying love of everything republican is sickening. Let me ask you, were you a proponent for the Swift Boaters? the asshole republicans who accused John Kerry of faking his purple hearts? A Democrat who volunteers for service actually goes to Vietnam, gets slandered by group who support a guy who did coke and evaded any real action. Too much. What a party of hypocrites. War! War! War! Oops, but I'm not going, YOU go! Typical republicanism.

[G.I.Jim]

Don't know if this video is real or not, but if it is... This is pretty damn scary! This could change a lot of things going on down there.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81020818/

[lights1961]

I wonder where Rush weighs in on this issue, since he once remarked, "If the spotted owl can't adapt to the superiority of mankind, screw it!"

probably better insight than what you have brought...
just answering your question...

day 72 or am I behind a day...

[lights1961]

It's funny how no matter WHAT is said about Obama... you go right back to Bush. EVERY time! What does Bush have to do with my post? Nothing! You act like I loved Bush, and while I did agree with the war in the beginning, I changed my opinion about three years ago. Bush fucked a lot of things up in this country, and his spending was WAY out of control. His last term was pretty laughable. I still think he's a decent human being, but he made several shitty decisions.

I never said your post had anything to do with Bush. You do admit you respect him as a human and I can never recall you blasting Bush like you do Obama. However, while we're at it, kindly tell me why you think he is a decent human being? His lies costs thousands of lives. I wonder if your tune would change had you been ordered to go over to Iraq, based on a LIE? You call it "shitty decisions," I call it being a reprehensible motherfucker.

As far as Obama goes, I respect the position he holds... nothing more. You earn respect, and he has not done that.

Ok, but Bush earned your respect? He didn't earn mine. He and Cheney can enjoy Hell.

He's thrown us into more debt than any other president in our history,

That remains to be seen. Some of what he hs done is necessary

he crammed his health care agenda down the throats of Americans who as a majority did NOT want it,

Good. It was the right thing to do. You conservatives don't like it, because you don't know what it entails. The GOP ledership has distorted it and lied so much about it, you haven't a clue as to whether it is a good bill or not. The fact that it will help millions of Americans is a good thing. Don't like it, tough shit. Why Obama even sought GOP thoughts on this issue is beyond me. He had to know all they were going to say was "no" anyway. Fuck the GOP.

and he's handled this oil spill just like mayor Nagin. All he's interested in is pointing fingers, "ass-kicking", and throwing accusations. Just like Louisiana had Busses sitting there, we now have oil skimmers there... SITTING there doing nothing!

So when Bush was president, Katrina was the fault of Nagin, and now that Obama is the president, it's the president's fault? Hmm. Why hasn't Jindhal used any of the resources given to him by the administration? LOL, remember that fucking idiot refused to accept the stimulus money? Yeah, he has "president" written all over him.

He will prove to be one of the worst presidents of all time. Mark my words. He has ZERO leadership abilities, and it's all coming to light in front of America's eyes on a daily basis. Just turn on the news and watch it unfold...

Sorry bud, the worst ever president just left office. I guess being the governor of the state of Texas, running companies into the ground, is fodder for good experience? I wacthed in real time disaster unfold for the lst 8 years. His name was George W Bush.

Oh, and Bush served his country through his military service. You keep throwing up a document that was proved to be a fake. And in worse-case scenario, and he DID get out early... at least he served!

How hard was this for you to type? You can't possibly be proud of W's service? Missing physical's to get out of actual combat, covering up cocaine drug tests....you must be proud to call George W Bush a "decent human being." Incredible. God, I am glad I am out of the fucking military. The mindset of the lifers is unreal. Don't get me wrong, I think you are a great guy, but your undying love of everything republican is sickening. Let me ask you, were you a proponent for the Swift Boaters? the asshole republicans who accused John Kerry of faking his purple hearts? A Democrat who volunteers for service actually goes to Vietnam, gets slandered by group who support a guy who did coke and evaded any real action. Too much. What a party of hypocrites. War! War! War! Oops, but I'm not going, YOU go! Typical republicanism.

every time you talk about bush lies... then I will go to the Clinton adm lied too about the WDMs as well... every single time I see this same shit from you... you always EASILY forget Clinton came VERY CLOSE to going into IRAQ in 1998... for the SAME FREAKING SITUATION... GET OVER how self rightous you are on this...

[7 Wishes]

every time you talk about bush lies... then I will go to the Clinton adm lied too about the WDMs as well...

First of all, it's WMD's, not WDM's. WDM is a sexually transmitted disease.

Secondly...uh, no, they didn't. The lies became lies when they were used as a false pretense for an illegal war.

Lights1961, you have yet to make one accurate post or write anything that has any factual base in reality.

[lights1961]

Seventy-four percent (74%) of Louisiana voters now approve of the job being done by Governor Bobby Jindal, a 10-point jump from April for the already–popular chief executive.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the state finds that just 26% disapprove of the performance of the Republican governor who has taken a hands-on approach to the Gulf oil leak and been highly critical of the response by BP and the federal government. These findings include 40% who Strongly Approve of Jindal’s job performance and 10% who Strongly Disapprove.

thank you dude...

i rest my case...

[Michigan Girl]

I can't remember the last time I was this pleased w/a politician ...period!!

[lights1961]

every time you talk about bush lies... then I will go to the Clinton adm lied too about the WDMs as well...

First of all, it's WMD's, not WDM's. WDM is a sexually transmitted disease.

Secondly...uh, no, they didn't. The lies became lies when they were used as a false pretense for an illegal war.

Lights1961, you have yet to make one accurate post or write anything that has any factual base in reality.

7, if you deny history, what else will you deny?

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

this is where I ment to say I rest my case...

sorry...

[7 Wishes]

Ummmm...Clinton didn't actually declare war on Iraq, nor did he use a complete fabrication (the yellow cake lie) as the impetus to declare that illegal war.

Sorry...no case rested there, son.

[lights1961]

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

[The_Noble_Cause]

7, if you deny history, what else will you deny?

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

this is where I ment to say I rest my case...

sorry...

Those dates are old. Why don't you talk about the inspectors on the ground before military operations began who told Bush they were not finding anything? If Bush was truly intent on exhausting all diplomatic efforts, as he said repeatedly, why did he pull them out? Committing our nation’s most precious resource – human lives- into the maws of battle should always be a last resort. Bill Clinton in 1998 was not privy to George Bush’s PDB and other intel in 2002. So that's irrelevant. As was also documented, the version of the NIE available to Congress exaggerated the Iraq WMD threat and was different from the classified version. That doesn’t sound like an open and shut case to me. You guys need to go take a long, hard look in the mirror and realize that governments lie – yes, even Republican ones. Funny how you can ascribe the most bloodthirsty intentions to Obama’s domestic policies (death panels, FEMA concentration camps etc.) but such thoughts never cross your mind when it comes to foreign policy and the military industrial complex. You guys sound as naïve and pollyannaish as those still defending the gulf of tonkin or the sinking of the uss maine. Iraq was a stupid war in a long line of stupid and unnecessary wars.

[The_Noble_Cause]

you always EASILY forget Clinton came VERY CLOSE to going into IRAQ in 1998...

And JFK came within a hair's breadth of invading Cuba. What's your point? There is no such thing as 'almost' when it comes to war, death, and destruction. Pushing the red button or going to war is the easy way out.

[AlteredDNA]

Feds taking the weekend off in oil fight?
http://www.wwl.com/Feds-taking-the-week ... t-/7603356

One local official is voicing his frustration over what he calls a "nine-to-five" attitude by some federal authorities in the face of the oil disaster.

Jefferson Councilman Chris Roberts says the parish has a plan to build rock levees to help keep oil out of inland waterways like Barataria Bay.

Roberts told WWL First News that after they submitted the proposal to the Army Corps of Engineers last week, Corps officials said last Friday that discussion on the plan would have to be put on hold until the following Monday, because the Corps office would be closed for the weekend.

"Whoever reviews permits, and whatever departments and stakeholders and agencies need to give approval for this...should be working around the clock, just like the people are that are trying to get this oil picked up," Roberts said.

According to Roberts, after cooling their heels for the weekend, parish officials are still awaiting an answer. He says, however, he would be very surprised to get a response over the long federal holiday weekend to come.

Roberts told WWL First News that even if some federal responders take the 4th of July weekend off, many parish workers would be working overtime.

"We don't take breaks, this is an emergency for us," he said. "We're going to continue plugging away at it."

[lights1961]

and I am saying that after 9/11 everything was on the table regarding who was with us or against us... including going into IRAQ...which at the time was doing WMDS... even according to GORE in 2002... IF 9.11 did not happen, there would not have been the cause and justifications to go to war... and probably a vote of no to go to war...

it just so happened that congress gave approval to BUSH to go to war against IRAQ, because mainly we were skittish as a NATION after 9/11 and deeply concerned with national security and WMDS...and the regime of Saddam....if you look at IRAQ as if 9.11 didnt happen, then the war would have been a mistake... but 9.12 thinking prevailed and we did what we did...instead of 9.10 thinking... and done nothing...

[The_Noble_Cause]

and I am saying that after 9/11 everything was on the table regarding who was with us or against us... including going into IRAQ...which at the time was doing WMDS... even according to GORE in 2002...

By that point, Gore was a private citizen. In what intelligence capacity did he work?

IF 9.11 did not happen, there would not have been the cause and justifications to go to war... and probably a vote of no to go to war...

I agree wiith this.

it just so happened that congress gave approval to BUSH to go to war against IRAQ, because mainly we were skittish as a NATION after 9/11 and deeply concerned with national security and WMDS...and the regime of Saddam....if you look at IRAQ as if 9.11 didnt happen, then the war would have been a mistake... but 9.12 thinking prevailed and we did what we did...instead of 9.10 thinking... and done nothing...

9.12 thinking can be applied to ANY hostile state or regime. What are we going to do? Take them all out? That is not a rational, serious, or affordable foreign policy.

[lights1961]

and I am saying that after 9/11 everything was on the table regarding who was with us or against us... including going into IRAQ...which at the time was doing WMDS... even according to GORE in 2002...

By that point, Gore was a private citizen. In what intelligence capacity did he work?

IF 9.11 did not happen, there would not have been the cause and justifications to go to war... and probably a vote of no to go to war...

I agree wiith this.

it just so happened that congress gave approval to BUSH to go to war against IRAQ, because mainly we were skittish as a NATION after 9/11 and deeply concerned with national security and WMDS...and the regime of Saddam....if you look at IRAQ as if 9.11 didnt happen, then the war would have been a mistake... but 9.12 thinking prevailed and we did what we did...instead of 9.10 thinking... and done nothing...

9.12 thinking can be applied to ANY hostile state or regime. What are we going to do? Take them all out? That is not a rational, serious, or affordable foreign policy.

I think if we could have, we might have tried too...

[ohsherrie]

it just so happened that congress gave approval to BUSH to go to war against IRAQ, because mainly we were skittish as a NATION after 9/11 and deeply concerned with national security and WMDS...and the regime of Saddam....if you look at IRAQ as if 9.11 didnt happen, then the war would have been a mistake... but 9.12 thinking prevailed and we did what we did...instead of 9.10 thinking... and done nothing...

Exactly. Bush went into office with the intention of going to war with Iraq and in fact ordered the CIA to find him cause to do so. Three different people who came out of that administration have said so. When we were attacked that gave him the emotional climate in the nation to sell what sketchy intelligence that he had to the congress as justification.

[donnaplease]

Bush went into office with the intention of going to war with Iraq and in fact ordered the CIA to find him cause to do so. Three different people who came out of that administration have said so.

Where is this documented?

[Rockindeano]

Bush went into office with the intention of going to war with Iraq and in fact ordered the CIA to find him cause to do so. Three different people who came out of that administration have said so.

Where is this documented?

You're too much donna. He did it secretly, duh. Everyone with a thinking, fair and balanced, not right leaning, brain knows Bush had Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld draw up, poorly I might add, the Iraqi war as soon as Florida was handed over to Bush/Cheney in 1999. He had, or so he thought, all the players in place, Rummy, Wolfy, Rice, et al, until the noble General Powell saw through this game of lies and deceit and was kicked off the team for not carrying the orders all the way through. He did enough however, delivering the LIE to the United Nations, under the disguise as Resolution 1441. This disgusted Powell, so much that reports were he was leaving. The Bush camp fired him days before he could do so.(We posted the Washington Post article about Powell's resignation letter two weeks ago). You want cut and clear documentation about everything? Especially in the world of Washington Politics? You have got to be kidding me?

To say "if it's not documented, it isn't true" is on par with fairy tale arguments. 9/11 was just the amount of raw emotion he needed to get this game started in Iraq. The pussified and equally emotional Democratic Congress gave him the go ahead. One person however, saw right through this. He is the president today.

[7 Wishes]

Bush went into office with the intention of going to war with Iraq and in fact ordered the CIA to find him cause to do so. Three different people who came out of that administration have said so.

Where is this documented?

It's not even up to "interpretation". It's fact. There are MILLIONS of sources.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7980.shtml

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174856/michael_schwartz_iraq_policy_floating_on_a_sea_of_oil
President George W. Bush began planning a war with Iraq before he took office on January 20, 2001, and long before the 9/11 terrorist attacks gave him the excuse he needed to push American intelligence agencies to fabricate “evidence” that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction or plotted with Osama bin Laden to attack American.

Bush knew from the get-go that he wanted to invade Iraq. It was on his mind before the election and campaign aides say he was obsessed with “getting Saddam.”

“We’d be on the campaign plane talking about domestic issues and he’d change the subject and start rattling on about what a great evil Saddam Hussein was and how if he won the election he’d finish what he father failed to do – topple Hussein,” says campaign worker Jerry Caufield who worked for the administration one year before leaving.

Other tell similar stories. The terrorist attacks weren’t the reason Bush invaded Iraq. They provided the excuse.

“We will confront weapons of mass destruction, so that a new century is spared new horrors,” Bush said in his inaugural address on Jan. 20, 2001.

On January 21, Bush held his first meeting of the National Security Council in the White House. At that meeting he ordered the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to draw up plans for an invasion of Iraq as, he said, “a contingency.”

[G.I.Jim]

Bush went into office with the intention of going to war with Iraq and in fact ordered the CIA to find him cause to do so. Three different people who came out of that administration have said so.

Where is this documented?

It's not even up to "interpretation". It's fact. There are MILLIONS of sources.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7980.shtml

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174856/michael_schwartz_iraq_policy_floating_on_a_sea_of_oil
President George W. Bush began planning a war with Iraq before he took office on January 20, 2001, and long before the 9/11 terrorist attacks gave him the excuse he needed to push American intelligence agencies to fabricate “evidence” that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction or plotted with Osama bin Laden to attack American.

Bush knew from the get-go that he wanted to invade Iraq. It was on his mind before the election and campaign aides say he was obsessed with “getting Saddam.”

“We’d be on the campaign plane talking about domestic issues and he’d change the subject and start rattling on about what a great evil Saddam Hussein was and how if he won the election he’d finish what he father failed to do – topple Hussein,” says campaign worker Jerry Caufield who worked for the administration one year before leaving.

Other tell similar stories. The terrorist attacks weren’t the reason Bush invaded Iraq. They provided the excuse.

“We will confront weapons of mass destruction, so that a new century is spared new horrors,” Bush said in his inaugural address on Jan. 20, 2001.

On January 21, Bush held his first meeting of the National Security Council in the White House. At that meeting he ordered the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to draw up plans for an invasion of Iraq as, he said, “a contingency.”

Dan, PLEASE cite the sources. Thanks!

[7 Wishes]

Dude, there are multiple sources in each article. It's too painstaking.

You coming up for any shows this summer? We're going to Atlanta for the Scorpions & Ratt and Rush. Petty - up here.

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude, there are multiple sources in each article. It's too painstaking.

No there are MULTIPLE OPINIONS in EVERYTHING you post. EVERYTHING. You post nothing but left wing fucking nutjob opinion pieces and call them sources. TNC at least TRIES to find things that are neutral.

[7 Wishes]

You're hilarious.

My posts DO contain IRREFUTABLE information and sources.

Just because it shoots down your ridiculous posts full of holes doesn't make them viable.

Fuck's sake, man. I could have Dubbya himself tell you he had rigged the Iraq war in 2001, in person - and you would still say the source was unreliable.

SAYING it's not a viable source does NOT make it so, merely because it makes you look the fool, Stuart.