IS STEVE PERRY OBSOLETE

[portland]

Absolutely true, Since 78. My beloved Tears for Fears put out an amazing album in 2004 and it's RARELY played. A shame. Great songs. So what, I'm supposed to measure their success against their 80s success? They're out there putting out music still. That's success.

Hey Jana who sings for Tears for Fears?

What, is this a trick question?

Nope...you are not comparing apples to apples are you?

[Rockindeano]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

[portland]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

Well they could...with a certain change in the line up.

[Jana]

Just for the sake of argument. If Perry had denied access for Sopranos to use DSB, or for any of the TV shows movies to use any of the songs that he has a stake in over the last few years, would Journey still be where they are now, especially in Europe where every single interview points to the Sopranos as the catalyst for interest in Journey?
Just saying, when you wield that kind of power over catalog usage, I just can't see you being obsolete. If you disappear and no more licenses are granted for any of the songs you have copyright on, wouldn't that almost make the current band obsolete to the media beyond doing concert tours and Arnel's story, especially if there was no Glee license to carry momentum forward when they aren't touring?

He would just have been a dumbass if he turned it down. Neal and Jon were visionaries.

[Rockindeano]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

Well they could...with a certain change in the line up.

No they couldn't, not even with Perry they couldn't. His absence has crippled the band in that regard. Fans don't take lightly a person who takes off 20 years. The fans of Springsteen and Bon Jovi respect those bands and know they can count on both of them to be here year after year. You can't count on Journey for anything.

[Don]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

Well they could...with a certain change in the line up.

Not even Perry could get them doing a 10 night run in the same stadium or O2. I'm a loon but I'm not that looney. We are still talking Journey here, aka The Ballad Bombers.

[portland]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

Well they could...with a certain change in the line up.

No they couldn't, not even with Perry they couldn't. His absence has crippled the band in that regard. Fans don't take lightly a person who takes off 20 years. The fans of Springsteen and Bon Jovi respect those bands and know they can count on both of them to be here year after year. You can't count on Journey for anything.

Ok....I buy that.....I will have to settle for BonJovi actually singing Bon Jovi....what a concept!

[Jana]

Absolutely true, Since 78. My beloved Tears for Fears put out an amazing album in 2004 and it's RARELY played. A shame. Great songs. So what, I'm supposed to measure their success against their 80s success? They're out there putting out music still. That's success.

Hey Jana who sings for Tears for Fears?

What, is this a trick question?

Nope...you are not comparing apples to apples are you?

I'm confused. Enlighten me. What, because Journey has a new singer? Journey is still successful to me, they got radio airplay from a couple songs, got good reviews. They got just as much airplay as TFF with their original singers. Older bands that aren't Springsteen, U2, Bon Jovi etc, (and even they don't get a lot on the radio) don't get much radio airplay compared to their earlier days or newer bands.

[portland]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

Well they could...with a certain change in the line up.

Not even Perry could get them doing a 10 night run in the same stadium or O2. I'm a loon but I'm not that looney. We are still talking Journey here, aka The Ballad Bombers.

Awww Gunny...that is the first time I have seen you call yourself a Loon!!!

[Don]

Just for the sake of argument. If Perry had denied access for Sopranos to use DSB, or for any of the TV shows movies to use any of the songs that he has a stake in over the last few years, would Journey still be where they are now, especially in Europe where every single interview points to the Sopranos as the catalyst for interest in Journey?
Just saying, when you wield that kind of power over catalog usage, I just can't see you being obsolete. If you disappear and no more licenses are granted for any of the songs you have copyright on, wouldn't that almost make the current band obsolete to the media beyond doing concert tours and Arnel's story, especially if there was no Glee license to carry momentum forward when they aren't touring?

He would just have been a dumbass if he turned it down. Neal and Jon were visionaries.

SO, he's an asshole, a narcissist, a quitter and a bunch of other things. I'm cool with that. BUT if you can say that his involvement was needed in some aspect over the last few years for Journey to obtain the recognition they are getting right now, I think that kills the obsolete argument.

Less than a month ago the number one album on Billboard had the following names on the majority of songwriting credits for the tracks.
Schon
Cain
PERRY

Just saying.

[Jana]

Just for the sake of argument. If Perry had denied access for Sopranos to use DSB, or for any of the TV shows movies to use any of the songs that he has a stake in over the last few years, would Journey still be where they are now, especially in Europe where every single interview points to the Sopranos as the catalyst for interest in Journey?
Just saying, when you wield that kind of power over catalog usage, I just can't see you being obsolete. If you disappear and no more licenses are granted for any of the songs you have copyright on, wouldn't that almost make the current band obsolete to the media beyond doing concert tours and Arnel's story, especially if there was no Glee license to carry momentum forward when they aren't touring?

He would just have been a dumbass if he turned it down. Neal and Jon were visionaries.

SO, he's an asshole, a narcissist, a quitter and a bunch of other things. I'm cool with that. BUT if you can say that his involvement was needed in some aspect over the last few years for Journey to obtain the recognition they are getting right now, I think that kills the obsolete argument.

Less than a month ago the number one album on Billboard had the following names on the majority of songwriting credits for the tracks.
Schon
Cain
PERRY

Just saying.

I put three smilies there. How big a hint do you need to know I was joking?

[Don]

Just for the sake of argument. If Perry had denied access for Sopranos to use DSB, or for any of the TV shows movies to use any of the songs that he has a stake in over the last few years, would Journey still be where they are now, especially in Europe where every single interview points to the Sopranos as the catalyst for interest in Journey?
Just saying, when you wield that kind of power over catalog usage, I just can't see you being obsolete. If you disappear and no more licenses are granted for any of the songs you have copyright on, wouldn't that almost make the current band obsolete to the media beyond doing concert tours and Arnel's story, especially if there was no Glee license to carry momentum forward when they aren't touring?

He would just have been a dumbass if he turned it down. Neal and Jon were visionaries.

SO, he's an asshole, a narcissist, a quitter and a bunch of other things. I'm cool with that. BUT if you can say that his involvement was needed in some aspect over the last few years for Journey to obtain the recognition they are getting right now, I think that kills the obsolete argument.

Less than a month ago the number one album on Billboard had the following names on the majority of songwriting credits for the tracks.
Schon
Cain
PERRY

Just saying.

I put three smilies there. How big a hint do you need to know I was joking?

You should know that I'm denser than dried paint on occasion.

[portland]

Just for the sake of argument. If Perry had denied access for Sopranos to use DSB, or for any of the TV shows movies to use any of the songs that he has a stake in over the last few years, would Journey still be where they are now, especially in Europe where every single interview points to the Sopranos as the catalyst for interest in Journey?
Just saying, when you wield that kind of power over catalog usage, I just can't see you being obsolete. If you disappear and no more licenses are granted for any of the songs you have copyright on, wouldn't that almost make the current band obsolete to the media beyond doing concert tours and Arnel's story, especially if there was no Glee license to carry momentum forward when they aren't touring?

He would just have been a dumbass if he turned it down. Neal and Jon were visionaries.

SO, he's an asshole, a narcissist, a quitter and a bunch of other things. I'm cool with that. BUT if you can say that his involvement was needed in some aspect over the last few years for Journey to obtain the recognition they are getting right now, I think that kills the obsolete argument.

Less than a month ago the number one album on Billboard had the following names on the majority of songwriting credits for the tracks.
Schon
Cain
PERRY

Just saying.

I put three smilies there. How big a hint do you need to know I was joking?

JANA...YOU MIGHT BE 1/2 LOON!!! I knew I saw a special something in you!!!

[Jana]

Just for the sake of argument. If Perry had denied access for Sopranos to use DSB, or for any of the TV shows movies to use any of the songs that he has a stake in over the last few years, would Journey still be where they are now, especially in Europe where every single interview points to the Sopranos as the catalyst for interest in Journey?
Just saying, when you wield that kind of power over catalog usage, I just can't see you being obsolete. If you disappear and no more licenses are granted for any of the songs you have copyright on, wouldn't that almost make the current band obsolete to the media beyond doing concert tours and Arnel's story, especially if there was no Glee license to carry momentum forward when they aren't touring?

He would just have been a dumbass if he turned it down. Neal and Jon were visionaries.

SO, he's an asshole, a narcissist, a quitter and a bunch of other things. I'm cool with that. BUT if you can say that his involvement was needed in some aspect over the last few years for Journey to obtain the recognition they are getting right now, I think that kills the obsolete argument.

Less than a month ago the number one album on Billboard had the following names on the majority of songwriting credits for the tracks.
Schon
Cain
PERRY

Just saying.

I put three smilies there. How big a hint do you need to know I was joking?

JANA...YOU MIGHT BE 1/2 LOON!!! I knew I saw a special something in you!!!

I'm a normal Loon, a Nealer, a Pinhead, an Augerian, a kneel at the altar of Roland worshiper, a U2opian. I have a lot of love to pass around.

[wednesday's child]

Steve Perry's recordings and compositions aren't obsolete as revenue streams.
A big part of their salability rests on nostalgia.

I'd argue his voice may be shot, and his songwriting ability may be stylistically
obsolete in the present market for new tunes.

I realize there's frustration over not being able to hear Perry sing HIS songs
with Journey, onstage with Journey. I also realize there's frustration over how
a large number of Pineda fans can be just as idiotic as some of Perry's loons.

Those frustrations seem to be translating into an unfairly-hostile attitude
towards ALL fans of a Pineda-fronted Journey, and even to hostility towards
Pineda himself.


-wech

[portland]

Steve Perry's recordings and compositions aren't obsolete as revenue streams.
A big part of their salability rests on nostalgia.

I'd argue his voice may be shot, and his songwriting ability may be stylistically
obsolete in the present market for new tunes.

I realize there's frustration over not being able to hear Perry sing HIS songs
with Journey, onstage with Journey. I also realize there's frustration over how
a large number of Pineda fans can be just as idiotic as some of Perry's loons.

Those frustrations seem to be translating into an unfairly-hostile attitude
towards ALL fans of a Pineda-fronted Journey, and even to hostility towards
Pineda himself.


-wech

I think it goes both ways.......this band seems to bring it out.

[Monker]

Bon Jovi just had that 12 sold out shows in 13 nights run over at the O2 in London. Not to many acts from the 80s can pull that off. I know a lot of people hate Jon for whatever reason but the band still brings it.

Maybe because they suck. Springsteen sells out too, what does that have to do with anything...

Cue Dean

Yeah, selling out Giants Stadium 10 nights is a paltry accomplishment for sure. I am sure a Pineda led journey could book that place for a month, easy.

In all seriousness, if you are selling out venues, big venues, like the O2 arena in England, you are and or have done something right. Bon Jovi gets it. Springsteen gets it. Those bands don't just rest on their laurels, they continue to earn their keep night after night, year after year. Journey couldn't play on the same stage as either one of them and you all know it.

Well they could...with a certain change in the line up.

Well, bringing back Gregg Rolie may help but not THAT much.

Bringing back Steve Perry means they would never record or tour so that would be a giant step backward and end Journey as a band. So, unless they are on their last album and tour, Perry should not even be considered as an option.

[Jeremey]

Steve Perry is as much a part of Journey today as he ever was.

In fact, I'll play Kreskin this afternoon.

I look into my crystal ball and see:

Journey with Arnel releasing new CD in 2011 and doing a major tour

Journey sitting around in 2012 with lots of rumors floating around about their future

Journey in 2013 announces a 2 week reunion tour with Steve Perry, which will kick off in the second half of 2013, dates include places like LA, Chicago, NYC, Houston, San Fran, Atlanta, etc.

Journey retires.

Now that I've said that out loud, it probably won't happen. But it could.

[Michigan Girl]

Steve Perry is as much a part of Journey today as he ever was.

In fact, I'll play Kreskin this afternoon.

I look into my crystal ball and see:

Journey with Arnel releasing new CD in 2011 and doing a major tour

Journey sitting around in 2012 with lots of rumors floating around about their future

Journey in 2013 announces a 2 week reunion tour with Steve Perry, which will kick off in the second half of 2013, dates include places like LA, Chicago, NYC, Houston, San Fran, Atlanta, etc.

Journey retires.
Now that I've said that out loud, it probably won't happen. But it could.

aaahhaaa, I'm a believer ...if we make it past 2012!!

This article is so silly i can't even think intelligently enough to post nasty remarks ...later!! :wink:

[Monker]

Steve Perry is as much a part of Journey today as he ever was.

In fact, I'll play Kreskin this afternoon.

I look into my crystal ball and see:

Journey with Arnel releasing new CD in 2011 and doing a major tour

Journey sitting around in 2012 with lots of rumors floating around about their future

Journey in 2013 announces a 2 week reunion tour with Steve Perry, which will kick off in the second half of 2013, dates include places like LA, Chicago, NYC, Houston, San Fran, Atlanta, etc.

Journey retires.

Now that I've said that out loud, it probably won't happen. But it could.

And, then Steve Perry gets a cold and the tour is canceled.

[wednesday's child]

And, then Steve Perry gets a cold and the tour is canceled.

That's be legitimate grounds to call it off, though:
With the size of his nose, a bad cold could be some really heinous shit.

[artist4perry]

Chubby is a Pinhead through and through

Me a pinhead? Really?

YEP!!!

Yep +2 We love you though Chubby. I like Arnel, but Steve is and always will be the best.

[Chubby321]

Chubby is a Pinhead through and through

Me a pinhead? Really?

YEP!!!

Yep +2 We love you though Chubby. I like Arnel, but Steve is and always will be the best.

Love you too and I understand. I don't hate Steve, I just love Arnel Pineda.

[Deb]

No.

[slucero]

Perry's not obsolete... he's just MIA.

[Michigan Girl]

No.

Good Answer ..."NO"

Let's see whose name is still standing tall 20 years from now!!

[Ligzig]

No.

Good Answer ..."NO"

Let's see whose name is still standing tall 20 years from now!!

Will Journey fans even be alive in 20 years?

[Author2]

Kidding aside, the many articles about AP measuring up to someone who is considered as one of the best in the business, says a lot about AP's talent.

Unfortunately....
"We used to have American bases as well so to keep the American servicemen entertained, Pinoy bands had to cover a lot of American artists. They say that Pinoys got good at copying that they even copy the mistakes of some foreign artists. Some Pinoys are quite proud that we can almost cover anything." (Last edited by mdaemon on Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:07 am)

His idol.....
"Journey's Steve Perry admitted to the L.A. Times that his initial skepticism about the show has given way to, well, glee. "They really worked hard to make it their own … it's actually brought people's attention to go check out the original," he said. "It's something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime." (Coldplays New Direction.. / RS 6.15.10)

"I may not care that much for Journey's commercial period (I like the early pre-Perry stuff more), but the man is just untouchable in a live setting." (ddd 6.15.10)

"Oh, I never said that Freddie was the best live singer (that honor belongs to Steve Perry), I initially got on this topic, because I saw comments like "Freddie ........" "Had to even up the playing field!" (ddd 6.18.10)

[Author2]

[quote="portland]

Whatever....the last post I saw AP...he was singing BonJovi....I am going to see the actual band in three weeks...I can't wait!

Well, I'm not paying for Bon Jovi in a stadium. I understand they are basically giving away tickets for a lot of shows.

Maybe Journey should have done that .....

"Arnel really worked the crowd, what little there was, and did not disappoint. Which brings me to another issue. The crowd was small. The problem was the initial prices of the tickets was downright outrageous and it wasn't until I heard from a friend that the prices had dropped to acceptable levels that I decided to go. Frankly, I was shocked at the lack of turn out and kind of felt bad for the groups as the place was only about half full." (Eastern Kentucky Expo Center Wed, Sep 16, 2009)

[artist4perry]

Chubby is a Pinhead through and through

Me a pinhead? Really?

YEP!!!

Yep +2 We love you though Chubby. I like Arnel, but Steve is and always will be the best.

Love you too and I understand. I don't hate Steve, I just love Arnel Pineda.

Nothing wrong with that.