Open letter to Cleveland from Cavs owner....

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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:41 pm

Saint John wrote:For years and years those of us outside of Cleveland saw his ego growing instead of his talent. We saw the annual collapses, and we also saw a guy that was becoming more and more withdrawn at the end of games. The eyes always tell it best. He would look around in the crucial waning moments of games. Win or lose, go back and watch Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Kobe Bryant and especially Michael Jordan in those same scenarios. You could see fire, desire and leadership. Win or lose, you had to take the game from them. More importantly, you saw those guys getting better every year, making those around them better every year and getting closer to that ultimate goal every year. And, as a fan, you just knew it was a matter of time. They simply couldn't be stopped in their pursuit.

This guy quit on a 61 win team and did so in a way that will forever haunt him. He had 2 choices during his exit. He could have made this about the fans, the owner and the remaining team members ... thanking them all and even throwing in a sales pitch for the team and city. But he didn't. He made it about himself. He didn't show one scintilla of class, gratitude or foresight in his decision. Then, to make matters worse, he wasn't even a good salesman about it. Again ... the eyes. During that interview he was uncomfortable and indecisive. You could see right through the bullshit. Within 30 seconds of that garbage spectacle I would bet that virtually the entire city of Cleveland knew he was leaving. It was as though he knew he was selling out, cheapening, brand and not doing the right thing and definitely not doing it the right way. And he was right. It was just like crunch-time on the court ... ask him to get it right and do it alone, and he always fails. At least he's consistent.


Great post Dan. You have no idea the hapless battle I've been fighting against the sycophants here the last couple of years. No one around here would admit that he had choked and was clearly a narcissistic cocksucker. On the other hand, I would constantly blast the guy around anyone within earshot.

He is and always has been a pitiful sack of shit who would be shootin up people in Akron in drive-bys and robbing purses from old ladies if he hadn't been born with basketball ability. 0 character, class, or resolve. Look at his free throws - a guy with his talent that had character would have fixed that by now. Nope, too lazy. Just wants to get by on natural talent. Lazy.

The most unbelievable thing to me is how people around here think he suddenly turned into this dickhead as late as the Boston tank job. Nope, sorry folks. This guy was like that longgggg before that. Example: He steadfastly refused to give ANY interviews with our local media. Any at all. Several radio show hosts, TV anchors, and what not have been quietly bitching about it for years (well, in the case of our highest-rated talk show host, not so quietly). Then there were the tipping stories and other assorted bullshit. Somehow, through it all, people just ignored the signs.

Another example: Yesterday, our legendary Cavs radio guy, Joe Tait, just came out and said LeBron never once even so much as said hello to him in 7 years. Tait has been calling games since the Cavs have been around. A total legend. Was I surprised? Nope. Were most other fans? Yep.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:22 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Anybody see the footage from what's going on inside of Cleveland? Holy shit, and that statement to the owner to the fans? :shock: In all of my life, I've never seen this kind of harsh reaction to a player leaving their city to play for another team. I understand the bitterness, the feeling of betrayal and all of that, but God damn, has this gone too far? If Greenbay had this sort of action with Brett Favre, then all of Green bay Wisconsin would be extinct following the events of an icon going to play for the BITTER RIVAL.

People getting cuffed, arrested, crying, fighting, burning, the whole sha-bang. Cleveland has been a city TORMENTED for sure, but the fans are def going all Dommer with their reactions to this. What is there not to understand that this is pro sports and nothing is a guaranteed movement and you certainly can't expect a player to give you his soul? In dedication of sports and with legend that goes with a high profile like a LeBRON James, I say he should have stayed for the sake of his name and legend to one city, but you don't need to call the Grim Reaper anytime soon.

Like I said, I don't blame Cleveland for feeling sick, I know what it feels like and have felt it more times than one.. but come on now, the franchise will go on.


The letter was great and 100% needed. Dan Gilbert is a self-made billionaire (by early 40s no less). He is a competitor and a real man, unlike LeQueen. You can't question his judgment or his leadership. It's also nothing like Favre. This kid has been a native son and loved here since 16. It is a huge backstab and Favre didn't fuck GB over anything like this, as much of a snake as Favre is.

People were burning jerseys, big deal. I saw one guy getting arrested on the news. It was actually pretty tame because people were (a) deep down expecting it to happen and (b) just too disappointed to be rowdy.

It's not about not pro sports being a business and having a right to leave or whatevre bullshit. It's about the way he did it on national TV, throwing the fans, city, organization, players, and owner under the bus - totally classless, tacky, and everything else to the point of not even calling the owner (who gave him everything - money, players, unmitigated access for his shitty high school dropout thug entourage etc) to let him know that he was leaving. He had to find out the same way you and I did.

Also, it's clear now this has been decided for a long time and he handcuffed our franchise knowing full well what he was going to do, all the while playing these bullshit ego stroking games.

If you honestly think you can boil it down to a mere free agent (even a star one) leaving his first franchise, then you are a first class buffoon.


I understand all of that and have only skimmed what is professional basketball as of late and the bullshit "King James" nausea that's been happening for years. In every game I've ever witnessed, I've continually said that LeBRON never, EVER impressed me in the way of what some Cleveland fans looked up to him as their God. I seriously never got the fawning over the guy and to my personal liking, I've seen many players better at the position than James. Don't get me wrong, the dude is a pure specimen of a player and all that hoopla that comes with him and you can't deny his DOMINANCE at times, but I can only speak of the little I've seen of him. Not that I give a shit about the NBA because I don't and in honesty, the NBA makes me miserable and sick but in a deep, deep, deep down in a weird kind of way, I actually felt bad for Cleveland and their fans.

After reading around and looking more into the years of the James era and what kind of person he actually is and exactly what just took place, I now agree 100% of the happenings in Cleveland and the reaction from the owner as well as the backlash to all of this. Of course I know the fans are livid, but it always looked like you disliked the guy, so be glad a scumbag and fraud like James is off of your hands in Cleveland for good. In another weird way, I'll go out on a limb and say Cleveland will for sure win a championship before that dickless coward does.
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Postby Saint John » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:33 am

Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."
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Postby Everett » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:36 am

Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


:shock: & :D at the same time. But yeah that is a little harsh. I don't think lbj is single.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:37 am

Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


:lol:

Cleveland has been tormented by the Devil since 1987 and before that, forever. It truly is a hell pit for all of existence of the human race that resides there.
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Postby Saint John » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:41 am

Everett wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


:shock: & :D at the same time. But yeah that is a little harsh. I don't think lbj is single.


The person that posted it has a Steelers logo. :lol:

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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:50 am

Saint John wrote:
Everett wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


:shock: & :D at the same time. But yeah that is a little harsh. I don't think lbj is single.


The person that posted it has a Steelers logo. :lol:

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Fitting :lol: The comments that follow are hilarious. Pittsburgh for years has been rising atop the charts at being a city blossoming in world geography and was just ranked #1 most livable city in America. I love the comment "How is Pittsburgh's NBA team doing?" lmao. Retards.
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Postby Everett » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:57 am

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LeBron James is always going to be known as D-Wades sidekick beyotch


This comment is my favorite :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:59 am

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LeBron James is always going to be known as D-Wades sidekick beyotch


This comment is my favorite :lol:


I like it, too. Just like I've always said ... some people were born to be Batman and some people were born to be Robin.
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Postby Luvsaugeri » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:01 am

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Great post Dan. You have no idea the hapless battle I've been fighting against the sycophants here the last couple of years. No one around here would admit that he had choked and was clearly a narcissistic cocksucker. On the other hand, I would constantly blast the guy around anyone within earshot.

He is and always has been a pitiful sack of shit who would be shootin up people in Akron in drive-bys and robbing purses from old ladies if he hadn't been born with basketball ability. 0 character, class, or resolve. Look at his free throws - a guy with his talent that had character would have fixed that by now. Nope, too lazy. Just wants to get by on natural talent. Lazy.

The most unbelievable thing to me is how people around here think he suddenly turned into this dickhead as late as the Boston tank job. Nope, sorry folks. This guy was like that longgggg before that. Example: He steadfastly refused to give ANY interviews with our local media. Any at all. Several radio show hosts, TV anchors, and what not have been quietly bitching about it for years (well, in the case of our highest-rated talk show host, not so quietly). Then there were the tipping stories and other assorted bullshit. Somehow, through it all, people just ignored the signs.

Another example: Yesterday, our legendary Cavs radio guy, Joe Tait, just came out and said LeBron never once even so much as said hello to him in 7 years. Tait has been calling games since the Cavs have been around. A total legend. Was I surprised? Nope. Were most other fans? Yep.


Really?? Wow...that doesn't surprise me either. I have always appreciated LeBron for the god given althetic ability he posesses. But beyond that.....as a human being....I've always criticized him too. His interviews, his antics, his crying, his laying on the court after EVERY fall wating for Cleveland to gasp and hold their collective breath hoping he wasn't hurt.....it all made me sick. And if I heard him one more time say "I'm a football player." GIVE ME A BREAK!!! Then you must have been the wimpiest football player EVER!! Every little bump he took he acted like he was majorly hurt. It was all a show. All about me. And that crap about never doing interviews with local media!!

I always thought in overall talent LeBron beat Kobe. But I always said as far as last second, game on the line.....I'd take Kobe anyday!! Lebron doesn't have the killer instinct or the heart of a champion.

I agree with you Matt.....you can take the kid out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the kid.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:25 am

Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:46 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:56 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:


Browns 2-0 vs Steelers this year. Book it. Holmgren and Heckert are building somethin special. You guys are yesterday's news. Old and washed up with no QB for half the year. Ouch.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:58 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
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Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:


Browns 2-0 vs Steelers this year. Book it. Holmgren and Hecker are building somethin special.


I really wish I could take your trash talk seriously. Until that ever happens in our lifetime, I'll keep laughing my ass off at that comment. (Trash talking aside, I would really love to see the Cle/Pitt rivalry come back for what it's worth.)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:59 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:


Browns 2-0 vs Steelers this year. Book it. Holmgren and Hecker are building somethin special.


I really wish I could take your trash talk seriously. Until that ever happens in our lifetime, I'll keep laughing my ass off at that comment. (Trash talking aside, I would really love to see the Cle/Pitt rivalry come back for what it's worth.)


I think I'm comin to Pittsburgh next week from either Wed-Sun or Th-Sun.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:04 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:


Browns 2-0 vs Steelers this year. Book it. Holmgren and Hecker are building somethin special.


I really wish I could take your trash talk seriously. Until that ever happens in our lifetime, I'll keep laughing my ass off at that comment. (Trash talking aside, I would really love to see the Cle/Pitt rivalry come back for what it's worth.)


I think I'm comin to Pittsburgh next week from either Wed-Sun or Th-Sun.


Awesome, what for? I'll be working steady 3-11 starting Monday, but we've been shutting down as of late so I might be able to get off a day this week but it depends on other business's. Text me if your in town maybe we could grab a late brew.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:06 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:


Browns 2-0 vs Steelers this year. Book it. Holmgren and Hecker are building somethin special.


I really wish I could take your trash talk seriously. Until that ever happens in our lifetime, I'll keep laughing my ass off at that comment. (Trash talking aside, I would really love to see the Cle/Pitt rivalry come back for what it's worth.)


I think I'm comin to Pittsburgh next week from either Wed-Sun or Th-Sun.


Awesome, what for? I'll be working steady 3-11 starting Monday, but we've been shutting down as of late so I might be able to get off a day this week but it depends on other business's. Text me if your in town maybe we could grab a late brew.


Takin a few days off, wanna try and see a buncha college buddies. I'll let ya kno
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Postby Luvsaugeri » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:16 am

This makes me think for sure Lebron "quit" in the Boston series. I've never seen him meltdown like that. The only way his "plan" can work is on the premise he is leaving to win a championship. So he had to lose against Boston.

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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:50 am

The Cavaliers lost because the Celtics were the better team and wanted it more.

Besides, it would have been MUCH easier for him to justify leaving with a ring on his finger. This is an absurd and insulting premise. James just wasn't good enough when it counts - and here's hoping that continues.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:08 am

It was only a matter of time before this asshole chimed in:

CHICAGO -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson says Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert sees LeBron James as a "runaway slave" and that his comments after the forward decided to join the Miami Heat put the player in danger.

Shortly after James announced his decision Thursday night, Gilbert fired off an incendiary letter to Cleveland's fans, ripping the 25-year-old and promising to deliver a title before James wins one. He called James' decision "cowardly" and later told the Associated Press he believes James quit during a handful of Cavaliers playoff games.

Jackson says Gilbert's comments "personify a slave master mentality" and the owner should face a "challenge" from the league.

Messages were left Sunday night seeking comment from Gilbert, the Cavaliers, James and the NBA.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:38 am

7 Wishes wrote:The Cavaliers lost because the Celtics were the better team and wanted it more.

Besides, it would have been MUCH easier for him to justify leaving with a ring on his finger. This is an absurd and insulting premise. James just wasn't good enough when it counts - and here's hoping that continues.


The guy tanked. I said it then and I'm saying it now. He tanked. The Celtics played well, but LeBron quit.
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Postby Frontiers65 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:22 pm

Well, why did the cavaliers make him a free agent in the first place if they were so worried about losing him.
Look at what team owner's and managers do all the time with some of their star players like Joe Montana,Mcnabb to name a couple. They get rid of them to rebuild for the future, so what is the big deal that Lebron wanted a change. I have no problem with this whole thing. It is a business, so if owner's do it, so can the players. I think this owner is a dumbass to write such a letter.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:25 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Saint John wrote:Found this on cbssportsline.com and it made me laugh (though I do disagree with most of it):

"Wow. Cleveland is a sewer city. The fans are stupid. The owner of the Cavs is a moron. The Indians suck. The Browns are horrible. No wonder the entire city is going on a rampage against the best basketball player in the world. Now the city has nothing.

Let me see; Lebron is 25, single, rich, world class athlete.... Cleveland is a perfect spot! You idiots in Cleveland have no clue.

Miami is the perfect spot for LeBron. He can enjoy life and win basketball games. Cleveland he could just win games, no one enjoys life in Cleveland. The Flats? South Beach? Seriously. Have you ever been?

Best athlete in Cleveland now? Antwan Jamison? Jake Delhomme? Carlos Santana? What a rat hole city."


I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.


You're going to need more than one player to take it to Pittsburgh next season, who returns the same veterans who won 2 rings together (Troy's returning, Larry Foote is returning as well as Bryant McFadden on the corner) so I doubt that rare mis-communication that happened so much last season to Pittsburgh defense will falter with experienced veterans back in the lineup, esp against a Cleveland team who basically has no backbone other than Cribbs who will be contained by most defenses throughout the season and will get beat up with how many times he will be handling the football.

Fuck I miss football. :evil:


Browns 2-0 vs Steelers this year. Book it. Holmgren and Hecker are building somethin special.


I really wish I could take your trash talk seriously. Until that ever happens in our lifetime, I'll keep laughing my ass off at that comment. (Trash talking aside, I would really love to see the Cle/Pitt rivalry come back for what it's worth.)


I think I'm comin to Pittsburgh next week from either Wed-Sun or Th-Sun.


Awesome, what for? I'll be working steady 3-11 starting Monday, but we've been shutting down as of late so I might be able to get off a day this week but it depends on other business's. Text me if your in town maybe we could grab a late brew.



Dude, make the playoffs then you can talk. You guys aren't even a concern to Cincinnati and Baltimore.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:35 pm

Frontiers65 wrote:Well, why did the cavaliers make him a free agent in the first place if they were so worried about losing him.
Look at what team owner's and managers do all the time with some of their star players like Joe Montana,Mcnabb to name a couple. They get rid of them to rebuild for the future, so what is the big deal that Lebron wanted a change. I have no problem with this whole thing. It is a business, so if owner's do it, so can the players. I think this owner is a dumbass to write such a letter.


"Make him a free agent?" LOL. I hope you're a woman that follows absolutely no sports.

It's not about leaving

It's about colluding with other players and misleading a team from top to bottom, making a spectacle of yourself for no reason, and embarrassing your home city on national TV.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:42 pm

Jesse needs to STFU. What a douche. Would he have said that had a great white player such as...ummm...well, let's say...I don't know...well, let's just say there was a great Jewish white player and he had left town under the same circumstances. Would Jackson have claimed that the Cavaliers were Nazis and hunting down Jews? What an idiot.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:00 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Jesse needs to STFU. What a douche.

You can't say this about a fellow race-card hustler! You and Jesse are one and the same!
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Postby Eyeof » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:17 pm

I can't wait to watch Josh Cribbs run all over the rapist-less Steelers once again. Far and away the best athlete in the city right now.[/quote]

I can't wait for Football either! By the way, you are in a lot of trouble if you are looking soley to a punt returner to beat the Steel Curtain again...
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Postby Frontiers65 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:59 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Frontiers65 wrote:Well, why did the cavaliers make him a free agent in the first place if they were so worried about losing him.
Look at what team owner's and managers do all the time with some of their star players like Joe Montana,Mcnabb to name a couple. They get rid of them to rebuild for the future, so what is the big deal that Lebron wanted a change. I have no problem with this whole thing. It is a business, so if owner's do it, so can the players. I think this owner is a dumbass to write such a letter.


"Make him a free agent?" LOL. I hope you're a woman that follows absolutely no sports.

It's not about leaving

It's about colluding with other players and misleading a team from top to bottom, making a spectacle of yourself for no reason, and embarrassing your home city on national TV.



Yea, whatever. They allowed him to become a free agent, so they have no reason to bitch cause he chose another team. I follow football anyway, not basketball. I have never watch Lebron play or otherwise, so I have no idea if he was an embarrassment or what. And yea, I saw the interview he did. I had no problem with it. I think you Cleveland people read too much into it. It is his life and his choice to do what he wants with it, so get over it.
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