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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby Since 78 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:06 am

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lights1961 wrote:this suit will end up being toxic for your party Dean, if the ADM follows through... you know why DEANO??? Remember its the 50 STATES not 1 federal state... and states should be able to make state laws for their own protection if needed and this is one of those times.



Educate yourself on the issue Rick. I don't care if it's one state or 30 states or 50 states, the Federal Gov't is solely responsible for border enforcement, not the individual states.

I do see the argument that AZ would want to protect itself, and that if the Feds won't do their job of enforcement, then AZ will. Yet it is still the Feds responsibility. This AZ law will be overturned, bank on it, even with the 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court if we ever get that far.


Dean, John and Ken had the guy who wrote the bill on the radio the other day and he says there is no way for it to be over turned because the issue has already been decided many times in the courts. Apparently they have always upheld over the years that States have the right to pass this kind of law and that they work with the Feds in enforcing all the time. He seemed to be pretty confident.
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:40 am

Since 78 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
lights1961 wrote:this suit will end up being toxic for your party Dean, if the ADM follows through... you know why DEANO??? Remember its the 50 STATES not 1 federal state... and states should be able to make state laws for their own protection if needed and this is one of those times.



Educate yourself on the issue Rick. I don't care if it's one state or 30 states or 50 states, the Federal Gov't is solely responsible for border enforcement, not the individual states.

I do see the argument that AZ would want to protect itself, and that if the Feds won't do their job of enforcement, then AZ will. Yet it is still the Feds responsibility. This AZ law will be overturned, bank on it, even with the 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court if we ever get that far.


Dean, John and Ken had the guy who wrote the bill on the radio the other day and he says there is no way for it to be over turned because the issue has already been decided many times in the courts. Apparently they have always upheld over the years that States have the right to pass this kind of law and that they work with the Feds in enforcing all the time. He seemed to be pretty confident.


You really think Holder would challenge this if he didn't think he had an outstanding shot at defeating it? No way does this bill stand. By the way, was the guy in question Kris Kobach? If so, the guy is co author of the bill and is an ex Bushie worker. What you expect the guy to say? "I hope it stands?" Come on 78.

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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby RedWingFan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:44 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
lights1961 wrote:this suit will end up being toxic for your party Dean, if the ADM follows through... you know why DEANO??? Remember its the 50 STATES not 1 federal state... and states should be able to make state laws for their own protection if needed and this is one of those times.



Educate yourself on the issue Rick. I don't care if it's one state or 30 states or 50 states, the Federal Gov't is solely responsible for border enforcement, not the individual states.

I do see the argument that AZ would want to protect itself, and that if the Feds won't do their job of enforcement, then AZ will. Yet it is still the Feds responsibility. This AZ law will be overturned, bank on it, even with the 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court if we ever get that far.


Dean, John and Ken had the guy who wrote the bill on the radio the other day and he says there is no way for it to be over turned because the issue has already been decided many times in the courts. Apparently they have always upheld over the years that States have the right to pass this kind of law and that they work with the Feds in enforcing all the time. He seemed to be pretty confident.


You really think Holder would challenge this if he didn't think he had an outstanding shot at defeating it? No way does this bill stand.

Ishn't Holder the same guy who challenged the unconstitutional "oil drilling ban" and get his ass handed to him? :lol: Obama's whole administration is a joke.
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:47 am

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Rockindeano wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
lights1961 wrote:this suit will end up being toxic for your party Dean, if the ADM follows through... you know why DEANO??? Remember its the 50 STATES not 1 federal state... and states should be able to make state laws for their own protection if needed and this is one of those times.



Educate yourself on the issue Rick. I don't care if it's one state or 30 states or 50 states, the Federal Gov't is solely responsible for border enforcement, not the individual states.

I do see the argument that AZ would want to protect itself, and that if the Feds won't do their job of enforcement, then AZ will. Yet it is still the Feds responsibility. This AZ law will be overturned, bank on it, even with the 5-4 majority in the Supreme Court if we ever get that far.


Dean, John and Ken had the guy who wrote the bill on the radio the other day and he says there is no way for it to be over turned because the issue has already been decided many times in the courts. Apparently they have always upheld over the years that States have the right to pass this kind of law and that they work with the Feds in enforcing all the time. He seemed to be pretty confident.


You really think Holder would challenge this if he didn't think he had an outstanding shot at defeating it? No way does this bill stand.

Ishn't Holder the same guy who challenged the unconstitutional "oil drilling ban" and get his ass handed to him? :lol: Obama's whole administration is a joke.


To you they are. However, Holder was right to challenge that oil drilling ban. It was absolutely the right call to make.
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby RedWingFan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:51 am

Rockindeano wrote:To you they are. However, Holder was right to challenge that oil drilling ban. It was absolutely the right call to make.

You think when a beer truck crashes and kills people all beer production should cease for 6 months?
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby AlteredDNA » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:52 am

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Rockindeano wrote:To you they are. However, Holder was right to challenge that oil drilling ban. It was absolutely the right call to make.

You think when a beer truck crashes and kills people all beer production should cease for 6 months?


Or a plane crash...
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:55 am

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RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:To you they are. However, Holder was right to challenge that oil drilling ban. It was absolutely the right call to make.

You think when a beer truck crashes and kills people all beer production should cease for 6 months?


Or a plane crash...


No, however, each and every plane crash is fully investigated AND airlines have proven to be safe and most carriers conform to rules and regulations regarding safety. BP had over 100 violations, and an oil spill causes a helluva lot more strife than a fuckin plane crash. Look at how many lives are affected? You guys are too much. Maybe the hours after 9/11 the FAA should have put the planes right back in the air?
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby AlteredDNA » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:59 am

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AlteredDNA wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:To you they are. However, Holder was right to challenge that oil drilling ban. It was absolutely the right call to make.

You think when a beer truck crashes and kills people all beer production should cease for 6 months?


Or a plane crash...


No, however, each and every plane crash is fully investigated AND airlines have proven to be safe and most carriers conform to rules and regulations regarding safety. BP had over 100 violations, and an oil spill causes a helluva lot more strife than a fuckin plane crash. Look at how many lives are affected? You guys are too much. Maybe the hours after 9/11 the FAA should have put the planes right back in the air?


No, because we knew what caused those planes to crash and wanted to prevent more.

We also know what happened in the case of this oil rig. You reference BP having 100+ violations. Ok, then why shut everyone down? It makes no sense, and is causing serious harm.

How many oil rigs have had a spill in the last year...5 years...20 years?
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby RedWingFan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:00 pm

Rockindeano wrote:BP had over 100 violations

Didn't BP receive safety awards from Barack Hussein Castro Chavez Obama's administration before the leak? How could that happen on our dear leader's watch?
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:01 pm

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:17 pm

Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


You're right. I got out of that shit hole 2 years ago. I'm much happier with my cost of living where I live now. California was a real asshole factory too. :wink: :lol:
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby 7 Wishes » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:17 pm

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Rockindeano wrote:BP had over 100 violations

Didn't BP receive safety awards from Barack Hussein Castro Chavez Obama's administration before the leak? How could that happen on our dear leader's watch?


Idiot, idiot, idiot.

If you knew anything about anything, you would know MMS was comprised entirely of Bush cronies, and those "awards" of which you speak were initiated by the Dubbya "Administration" but were presented two months into the Obama Administration. Considering the horrendous mess the Worst President in History left behind, he had more than enough on his plate already.
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:19 pm

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Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


You're right. I got out of that shit hole 2 years ago. I'm much happier with my cost of living where I live now. California was a real asshole factory too. :wink: :lol:

Not to mention the growing gang population and the very high crime rate.
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Postby JH'sTXfan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:21 pm

Angel wrote:Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


They are moving here in droves, luv those Californians. They're happy to be here, they constantly remark about how affordable it is to live here, and they're bringing MONEY with them. They're a real boost to the economy. :) We'll take all the rich ones that want to get out.
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Re: Arizona Vs California

Postby RedWingFan » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:25 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:BP had over 100 violations

Didn't BP receive safety awards from Barack Hussein Castro Chavez Obama's administration before the leak? How could that happen on our dear leader's watch?


Idiot, idiot, idiot.


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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:07 pm

Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


Yeah, people are just flocking to fucking Idaho :roll: . Look, California is in a funk, but you really think it will last? More people, and this is fact, move to California than any other state. We'll rebound, and once again be America's paradise. I'm guessing San Francisco and San Diego get bit more tourists than Boise or Sandpoint. Yes Ntalie, I know Idaho. Worked there for years. Actually a nice state, but it's not California. There's a reason California has 55 electoral votes and Idaho has 4. Not to pick on ID, but we have FAR more than ANY state and it's no coincidence.
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:17 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


Yeah, people are just flocking to fucking Idaho :roll: . Look, California is in a funk, but you really think it will last? More people, and this is fact, move to California than any other state. We'll rebound, and once again be America's paradise. I'm guessing San Francisco and San Diego get bit more tourists than Boise or Sandpoint. Yes Ntalie, I know Idaho. Worked there for years. Actually a nice state, but it's not California. There's a reason California has 55 electoral votes and Idaho has 4. Not to pick on ID, but we have FAR more than ANY state and it's no coincidence.


I'm glad you like California so much Dean-your love of the state should keep you there forever.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:25 pm

Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


Yeah, people are just flocking to fucking Idaho :roll: . Look, California is in a funk, but you really think it will last? More people, and this is fact, move to California than any other state. We'll rebound, and once again be America's paradise. I'm guessing San Francisco and San Diego get bit more tourists than Boise or Sandpoint. Yes Ntalie, I know Idaho. Worked there for years. Actually a nice state, but it's not California. There's a reason California has 55 electoral votes and Idaho has 4. Not to pick on ID, but we have FAR more than ANY state and it's no coincidence.


I'm glad you like California so much Dean-your love of the state should keep you there forever.


I don't love it, but have to defend it. My dream is to move back to Spokane. America's best kept secret. You been there Nat?
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:26 pm

PS-the fact that my state DOESN'T have 55 electoral votes is part of it's appeal!!!!
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:27 pm

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I don't love it, but have to defend it. My dream is to move back to Spokane. America's best kept secret. You been there Nat?

Yep, a few times-the only drawback is it's pretty close to Northern Idaho-there are A LOT of freaks there!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:33 pm

Angel wrote:
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I don't love it, but have to defend it. My dream is to move back to Spokane. America's best kept secret. You been there Nat?

Yep, a few times-the only drawback is it's pretty close to Northern Idaho-there are A LOT of freaks there!!!!!!!!!!


Yes, but wouldn't you agree, a nice big city, with natural beauty, close to mountains, rivers and whatever else is fairly intoxicating. I just love that place. If I didn't have a new son, I would be there in 30 hours.
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:34 pm

I would agree.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:41 pm

Angel wrote:I would agree.


I have called you many names, but never stupid.

Seriously, The Rockies are a stone's throw away, there's a river through town, Canada is a 90 minute drive, and WSU is close. My heaven.
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:44 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:I would agree.


I have called you many names, but never stupid.

Seriously, The Rockies are a stone's throw away, there's a river through town, Canada is a 90 minute drive, and WSU is close. My heaven.


My hometown.....The Rockies are a stone's throw away (I can see the Tetons from my house), a rive runs through town, Yellowstone is a 90 minute drive...My heaven!! :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:48 pm

Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:I would agree.


I have called you many names, but never stupid.

Seriously, The Rockies are a stone's throw away, there's a river through town, Canada is a 90 minute drive, and WSU is close. My heaven.


My hometown.....The Rockies are a stone's throw away (I can see the Tetons from my house), a rive runs through town, Yellowstone is a 90 minute drive...My heaven!! :wink:


You're a tough bitch...in a good way.
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:52 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:I would agree.


I have called you many names, but never stupid.

Seriously, The Rockies are a stone's throw away, there's a river through town, Canada is a 90 minute drive, and WSU is close. My heaven.


My hometown.....The Rockies are a stone's throw away (I can see the Tetons from my house), a river runs through town, Yellowstone is a 90 minute drive...My heaven!! :wink:


You're a tough bitch...in a good way.


Yeah, I know. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:00 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:CA is broke-dick. And why? Because there are more people sponging off the system then the amount of people who are working and are paying into it.


You're 100% correct, yet no state in this country is sought out like California. We're the envy of the world, let lone the country. You can find everything in the world in California.


Yeah, I know I'm a little late on this one, but.....

I think there are even more people that are seeking to get OUT of California. I can't tell you the number of people I know that have recently left because of the terrible atmosphere of the state.


Yeah, people are just flocking to fucking Idaho :roll: . Look, California is in a funk, but you really think it will last? More people, and this is fact, move to California than any other state. We'll rebound, and once again be America's paradise. I'm guessing San Francisco and San Diego get bit more tourists than Boise or Sandpoint. Yes Ntalie, I know Idaho. Worked there for years. Actually a nice state, but it's not California. There's a reason California has 55 electoral votes and Idaho has 4. Not to pick on ID, but we have FAR more than ANY state and it's no coincidence.


I'm glad you like California so much Dean-your love of the state should keep you there forever.


I don't love it, but have to defend it. My dream is to move back to Spokane. America's best kept secret. You been there Nat?


I grew up there through HS.
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:03 pm

Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:I would agree.


I have called you many names, but never stupid.

Seriously, The Rockies are a stone's throw away, there's a river through town, Canada is a 90 minute drive, and WSU is close. My heaven.


My hometown.....The Rockies are a stone's throw away (I can see the Tetons from my house), a river runs through town, Yellowstone is a 90 minute drive...My heaven!! :wink:


You're a tough bitch...in a good way.


Yeah, I know. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Angel » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:18 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Angel wrote:I would agree.


I have called you many names, but never stupid.

Seriously, The Rockies are a stone's throw away, there's a river through town, Canada is a 90 minute drive, and WSU is close. My heaven.


My hometown.....The Rockies are a stone's throw away (I can see the Tetons from my house), a river runs through town, Yellowstone is a 90 minute drive...My heaven!! :wink:


You're a tough bitch...in a good way.


Yeah, I know. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good make up ,and do it in the butt


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Postby Sarah » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:24 pm

I think I'm firmly rooted in CA. I've visited a handful of other states (west coast and New England) and none have made me say "I could live here".

I'm fine if "everyone" is moving out of California. Less demand for everything here!
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