Ground Zero Mosque Plans

[Don]

NUKE 'EM, NUKE 'EM TIL THEY GLOW, THEN BURY THEIR ASHES A MILE BELOW!

[Rip Rokken]

I'm wondering if there is a subtle reason for this - maybe having a mosque nearby lessens the chance of another attack on that spot? I don't mind using some of them for human shields for once and see how they like it.

[fredinator]

let us not forget the practice of religious freedom in our country.

Lula, you're such a dear .

[Saint John]

To me, it’s a nice slap in the face of all terrorists to say hey, look what you did to us and yet not only will we kick your ass from one end of the globe to the other, we will work with the better people to create lasting peace. It is not the white man’s responsibility to grant Muslim Americans the right to build something somewhere – that is already their right as Americans. To restrict that right because some of “their kind” are evil is what would be anti-American.

Good point!

+2 on that one!

I don't really get the use of integers when responding to posts and never have, but they won't see it as a slap in the face ... they'll see it as a victory monument and place were they can go and bask in the shadow of America's darkest day on its own soil. But keep thinking they'll view it as a slap in the face!

[StevePerryHair]

If we are assuming THEY in the mosque are terrorists.....I don't think you can know that.

[Saint John]

If we are assuming THEY in the mosque are terrorists.....I don't think you can know that.

Fair point. But just follow the money ... it never lies. They virtually all "donate" (funnel) money to mosques and back "home." It is then used against us. Either that or they build more mosques to be able to hide behind closed doors and teach anti-American sentiments.

[StevePerryHair]

If we are assuming THEY in the mosque are terrorists.....I don't think you can know that.

Fair point. But just follow the money ... it never lies. They virtually all "donate" (funnel) money to mosques and back "home." It is then used against us. Either that or they build more mosques to be able to hide behind closed doors and teach anti-American sentiments.

I just think it's a huge mistake to show fear and hate and hurt!! The terrorists thrive on that!!! It's how they recruit more and more into their cause. Not every Muslim has the potential to be a terrorist or to want to fund it. I will never believe that. So many of them are victimized by their own governments and religious leaders everyday. I've watched a few things made by OUR media portraying this, but everyone is stuck on the negative media and what the terrorists want us to believe. They WANT us to hate them. They are winning.

[Memorex]

To me, it’s a nice slap in the face of all terrorists to say hey, look what you did to us and yet not only will we kick your ass from one end of the globe to the other, we will work with the better people to create lasting peace. It is not the white man’s responsibility to grant Muslim Americans the right to build something somewhere – that is already their right as Americans. To restrict that right because some of “their kind” are evil is what would be anti-American.

Good point!

+2 on that one!

I don't really get the use of integers when responding to posts and never have, but they won't see it as a slap in the face ... they'll see it as a victory monument and place were they can go and bask in the shadow of America's darkest day on its own soil. But keep thinking they'll view it as a slap in the face!

It can be a slap to the people that matter - the people that want all races and religions to live peacefully. I have no issue with drones wiping out rooms full of evil people. But I only support that for the benefit of those who want to live free and peacefully.

[Sarah]

If we are assuming THEY in the mosque are terrorists.....I don't think you can know that.

Fair point. But just follow the money ... it never lies. They virtually all "donate" (funnel) money to mosques and back "home." It is then used against us. Either that or they build more mosques to be able to hide behind closed doors and teach anti-American sentiments.

I just think it's a huge mistake to show fear and hate and hurt!! The terrorists thrive on that!!! It's how they recruit more and more into their cause. Not every Muslim has the potential to be a terrorist or to want to fund it. I will never believe that. So many of them are victimized by their own governments and religious leaders everyday. I've watched a few things made by OUR media portraying this, but everyone is stuck on the negative media and what the terrorists want us to believe. They WANT us to hate them. They are winning.

I agree, I think it's strong of the US to allow it and show the terrorists that Muslim extremists haven't succeeded in destroying US principles (freedom of religion).

[Saint John]

I just think it's a huge mistake to show fear and hate and hurt!!

Agreed. But I think building a mosque there symbolizes the very fear you speak of ... like we have to go out of our way to great lengths to make sure we appease Joe Muslim. I say we tell him to pick a religion and not a set of practices, rituals and readings that promote the killing of all those that don't believe their psychotic bullshit. Either that or get the fuck out and go enjoy Mecca and/or Medina.

The terrorists thrive on that!!! It's how they recruit more and more into their cause.

To their credit, terrorists seem quite cerebral and focused on one thing ... killing non-Muslims. I get that they use propaganda to further their cause, but it's not like they wouldn't find other material. Hell, they just need to read the Koran/Qur'an! The instructions to kill are right in there.

[Rip Rokken]

Agreed. But I think building a mosque there symbolizes the very fear you speak of ... like we have to go out of our way to great lengths to make sure we appease Joe Muslim. I say we tell him to pick a religion and not a set of practices, rituals and readings that promote the killing of all those that don't believe their psychotic bullshit. Either that or get the fuck out and go enjoy Mecca and/or Medina.

Funky Cold Medina?

To their credit, terrorists seem quite cerebral and focused on one thing ... killing non-Muslims. I get that they use propaganda to further their cause, but it's not like they wouldn't find other material. Hell, they just need to read the Koran/Qur'an! The instructions to kill are right in there.

Just read that a Virginia man was arrested for aiding terrorists, and he'd threatened the creators of South Park with death on a radical Muslim website for making fun of Mohammad.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/21/vi ... l-shabaab/

[Rockindeano]

Just read that a Virginia man was arrested for aiding terrorists, and he'd threatened the creators of South Park with death on a radical Muslim website for making fun of Mohammad.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/21/vi ... l-shabaab/

I see you cited Fox News. Better check and make sure it is in fact real first. They have a reputation for fibbing.

[StevePerryHair]

Dan- you are speaking as if every single Muslim who is entering a mosque is daily receiving death instructions. Like that is what the religion is based on. Those things are abused by a certain sect of Muslims who choose to take the words in the Koran literally. Much like how we might think Christians who take each and every word in the bible literally are wrong for doing so. I have seen that do damage too. By them using those words in judgement, killing the spirit of people. All religions have that potential to cross a level that is not the norm and beyond what it was intended for. It's sad there are crazy people who have done that with Islam. I really don't believe it was a religion intended for violence anymore than I believe Christianity has, yet look at it's violent history. Did you ever read some of the horrible violent things in the bible?

You are not talking about a majority of people. But it could grow into that if we let hate perpetuate hate. I cried for a week after 9/11. I can still cry when I see pictures, video, and I think about the horrible pointless loss of life there. Those terrorists had no regard for people of their own faith that day either. I had been in those towers a couple of times before that day, so I really connected and just hurt for those people. All the people who died there. I'm just trying to say, I don't take what happened on 9/11 lightly. But I just think it is wrong to blame an entire religion and it's people on a select group of crazy ones who warp and use that religion for evil. I don't believe that is the sentiment of every practicing Muslim. And they DO win if we change as a people and treat them the way we've been treated. We show weakness and they thrive on our weakness. The US isn't some innocent little country that sits here quiet and people won't leave us alone. We've had our hands in so many things over the years, secretly in that part of the world to perpetuate this kind of hate. Those freaks use that stuff our government has done and in the name of their religion they brainwash people for that cause. That is not happening with every Muslim in every mosque. No way.

[Rip Rokken]

Just read that a Virginia man was arrested for aiding terrorists, and he'd threatened the creators of South Park with death on a radical Muslim website for making fun of Mohammad.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/21/vi ... l-shabaab/

I see you cited Fox News. Better check and make sure it is in fact real first. They have a reputation for fibbing.

I'm just lucky to find a real news story mixed in with all the sleaze and skin. Very hypocritical station, trying to cater to the conservative, family values demographic but hocking the sleaze every chance they get. They know what sells and they'll take the money from any angle they can get it.

[Rockindeano]

Just read that a Virginia man was arrested for aiding terrorists, and he'd threatened the creators of South Park with death on a radical Muslim website for making fun of Mohammad.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/21/vi ... l-shabaab/

I see you cited Fox News. Better check and make sure it is in fact real first. They have a reputation for fibbing.

I'm just lucky to find a real news story mixed in with all the sleaze and skin. Very hypocritical station, trying to cater to the conservative, family values demographic but hocking the sleaze every chance they get. They know what sells and they'll take the money from any angle they can get it.

I do not believe it. You are the first one..the very first conservative on here(and the only one too), who admits the almighty Fox News is hypocritical and a falsity of everything a news agency should be. Good on you Rip.

[STARFIRE]

I do not believe it. You are the first one..the very first conservative on here(and the only one too), who admits the almighty Fox News is hypocritical and a falsity of everything a news agency should be. Good on you Rip.

And still yet manage being a about 100 times better than MSNBC and CNN combined. That's not bad for commercially sponsored news. Usually we have to settled for the fairy tales that passes for stories in rags like the New York Times.

[Rockindeano]

I do not believe it. You are the first one..the very first conservative on here(and the only one too), who admits the almighty Fox News is hypocritical and a falsity of everything a news agency should be. Good on you Rip.

And still yet manage being a about 100 times better than MSNBC and CNN combined. That's not bad for commercially sponsored news. Usually we have to settled for the fairy tales that passes for stories in rags like the New York Times.

uh huh. Whatever. Go suck off Hannity.

Who cares if they are more popular than CNN and MSNBC combined? They have followers. people who are like Ditto Heads. Blind followers who get their talking points from O'Reilly, Hannity and the Beckster. Whatever floats their boat I guess. It's frankly pretty sad.

[jaxmanjoe]

Every thread like this potentially creates new terrorists. You are telling every single good person in the US that's from the Middle East that they are evil and a threat to your life and country. In our blind hatred, we are making a reality of their belief that we seek their destruction and will never accept them.

The best way to make a terrorist is to tell someone who isn't one over and over again that he is one.

Jaxmanjoe

[Lula]

kind of like the detainees of gitmo?

[G.I.Jim]

Just read that a Virginia man was arrested for aiding terrorists, and he'd threatened the creators of South Park with death on a radical Muslim website for making fun of Mohammad.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/21/vi ... l-shabaab/

I see you cited Fox News. Better check and make sure it is in fact real first. They have a reputation for fibbing.

I didn't know Dan Rather worked for Fox.

[RPM]

"My presidency would start with the end of all social programs, continue with the destruction of every union in this country, English would become the official language and businesses that have recordings in any other language would be fined severely, illegals crossing the border would have a "shoot to kill" bounty put on them, all existing illegals in the country would have 12 months to get out or face 25 years in prison if picked up after said 12 months, rape would be a mandatory life sentence and all Muslims would be removed from the country."


You have my vote !

[Rip Rokken]

I do not believe it. You are the first one..the very first conservative on here(and the only one too), who admits the almighty Fox News is hypocritical and a falsity of everything a news agency should be. Good on you Rip.

And still yet manage being a about 100 times better than MSNBC and CNN combined. That's not bad for commercially sponsored news. Usually we have to settled for the fairy tales that passes for stories in rags like the New York Times.

uh huh. Whatever. Go suck off Hannity.

Who cares if they are more popular than CNN and MSNBC combined? They have followers. people who are like Ditto Heads. Blind followers who get their talking points from O'Reilly, Hannity and the Beckster. Whatever floats their boat I guess. It's frankly pretty sad.

They do suck. Of course I don't mind the conservative slant, because they'll play stories that the rest of the media bury. But watching or reading Fox News is still like walking thru a back yard chock full of dog crap. You can't get out of there without getting some on your shoes. Here was my first rant against Fox News 2.5 yahrens ago:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hlight=fox

[youkeepmewaiting]

Funny though, if you would stop all of your racist comments then I would take your opinions much more seriously.

I'm 21 and a hell of alot more mature than half of you people in here.

Anyway, it does seem to be a very silly decision to put it there.

[conversationpc]

They do suck. Of course I don't mind the conservative slant, because they'll play stories that the rest of the media bury. But watching or reading Fox News is still like walking thru a back yard chock full of dog crap. You can't get out of there without getting some on your shoes. Here was my first rant against Fox News 2.5 yahrens ago:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hlight=fox

I've heard their bias described as South Park Conservatism and I certainly agree with that. I also hate how most of their "breaking stories" are about as inane as a Paris Hilton sighting or something like that. Annoying.

[conversationpc]

Funny though, if you would stop all of your racist comments then I would take your opinions much more seriously.

I'm 21 and a hell of alot more mature than half of you people in here.

Anyway, it does seem to be a very silly decision to put it there.

Who is this directed at???

[youkeepmewaiting]

Funny though, if you would stop all of your racist comments then I would take your opinions much more seriously.

I'm 21 and a hell of alot more mature than half of you people in here.

Anyway, it does seem to be a very silly decision to put it there.

Who is this directed at???

Anyone using words like "rag head" and the general theme that all muslims are terrorist etc and should be blown up.

[conversationpc]

Funny though, if you would stop all of your racist comments then I would take your opinions much more seriously.

I'm 21 and a hell of alot more mature than half of you people in here.

Anyway, it does seem to be a very silly decision to put it there.

Who is this directed at???

Anyone using words like "rag head" and the general theme that all muslims are terrorist etc and should be blown up.

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the "raghead" term. And though most terrorism is done by Muslims, most Muslims are not terrorists.