NEW Perry/Journey rumor?

[Rockindeano]

I just think that if they wanted to go forth and prosper....than do so, but that second disk for me...put the nail
in the coffin before I ever listened to it....the music was PERFECT!!! LEAVE IT ALONE!!

THEY COULD HAVE SAID NO???

Do a little research before you open your blower. Wal Mart mandated the re-records and wanted Journey to only include 4 new songs.

What's that tell you? No one gives a shit to hear new music from them. They just want to reset the Perry tunes in order to make a buck. Journey wouldn't have sold half of what they did w/o the Walmart deal. They would have a hard time selling diddly squat at 13.99 per disc.

[portland]

I just think that if they wanted to go forth and prosper....than do so, but that second disk for me...put the nail
in the coffin before I ever listened to it....the music was PERFECT!!! LEAVE IT ALONE!!

THEY COULD HAVE SAID NO???

Do a little research before you open your blower. Wal Mart mandated the re-records and wanted Journey to only include 4 new songs. They pushed, and got, a full album of new material out of the deal. The re-records were a must, though. The deal was simply too lucrative to turn down. It's probably their most successful album ever as far as $$$ in the pocket goes (about $7 per unit moved).

Sure they could have said no. But considering one of their former singers was lazy and unscrupulous enough to lawyer his way into getting paid while he wasn't even on tour, how can you blame them? Like Neal said "...fuck him!"

Dan I know the Mandate...they could have said NO!

and before you open your blower...as you put it.

Neal was the one who started the NOMTA???? right??...um YES

then they rerecord all the tails songs?? NO??

Now the songs made famous with the Tails are the ones that people want to hear on the
radio and in concert??? No??

and who is called for the interviews about said songs?? Tails again??

and well it goes on and on and on and on.

Sooooo shut your blower.....for them now it's about the money...not the music.

[Monker]

I just think that if they wanted to go forth and prosper....than do so, but that second disk for me...put the nail
in the coffin before I ever listened to it....the music was PERFECT!!! LEAVE IT ALONE!!

THEY COULD HAVE SAID NO???

Do a little research before you open your blower. Wal Mart mandated the re-records and wanted Journey to only include 4 new songs. They pushed, and got, a full album of new material out of the deal. The re-records were a must, though. The deal was simply too lucrative to turn down. It's probably their most successful album ever as far as $$$ in the pocket goes (about $7 per unit moved).

Sure they could have said no. But considering one of their former singers was lazy and unscrupulous enough to lawyer his way into getting paid while he wasn't even on tour, how can you blame them? Like Neal said "...fuck him!"

Dan I know the Mandate...they could have said NO!

and before you open your blower...as you put it.

Neal was the one who started the NOMTA???? right??...um YES

then they rerecord all the tails songs?? NO??

Now the songs made famous with the Tails are the ones that people want to hear on the
radio and in concert??? No??

and who is called for the interviews about said songs?? Tails again??

and well it goes on and on and on and on.

Sooooo shut your blower.....for them now it's about the money...not the music.

EXACTLY. When Neal hired Arnel and rerecorded the Journey songs, they confirmed that Journey is all about Perry and the rest of them may as well have been sidemen. A sad thing, IMO, cuz they could have been more then that...If they had made smart decisions for the long term, and not short term decisions based on nothing but how much $'s they could pocket.

[Rockindeano]

Dan I know the Mandate...they could have said NO!

and before you open your blower...as you put it.

Neal was the one who started the NOMTA???? right??...um YES

then they rerecord all the tails songs?? NO??

Now the songs made famous with the Tails are the ones that people want to hear on the
radio and in concert??? No??

and who is called for the interviews about said songs?? Tails again??

and well it goes on and on and on and on.

Sooooo shut your blower.....for them now it's about the money...not the music.

I love Dan like a brother, but you just blew him out of the water.

To be fair to him, I don't think he really sincerely believes all what he says regarding the band. He argues for them (and against SP), from what seems to be Schon's POV. Maybe I'm wrong, but everythoing Dan says, I have already heard it from Schon already. Does Schon have your digits Dan? He has mine but for some reason, he does't call me anymore.

[Don]

One thing is for sure , they would really have to drop the ball for their new album not to debut in the Top 10. Remember when Revelation debuted at #5 with 100k sold? Well, 41k gets you that same spot now and will probably be even easier when Journey finally releases something. Man, music sales have crashed.

[Rockindeano]

One thing is for sure , they would really have to drop the ball for their new album not to debut in the Top 10. Remember when Revelation debuted at #5 with 100k sold? Well, 41k gets you that same spot now and will probably be even easier when Journey finally releases something. Man, music sales have crashed.

Well that depends. If there is say 5 other rap acts, U2, DMB and Taylor Swift also releasing their efforts, count on Journey being at the end of that line. This single release disc, without a Walmart deal, will not get close to platinum. How the Hell are they going to promote it? How are they going to release it? Through a label? Online? They're going to have a difficult time IMHO. You know Azoff won't spend the money to promote it.

[Since 78]

As a fan of the Perry days it made the band look cheap and bitter...and I know I will catch hell for it...but I still
don't get it at all.

you are 100% correct. Re-records are an insult. The current Journey, much like the current Eagles,
is all about making money, the love of making distinct and one of a kind music ended a long time ago ....[/quote]

Bull! They have tried, it doesn't sell. Red 13 anyone?

[steveo777]

One thing is for sure , they would really have to drop the ball for their new album not to debut in the Top 10. Remember when Revelation debuted at #5 with 100k sold? Well, 41k gets you that same spot now and will probably be even easier when Journey finally releases something. Man, music sales have crashed.

Well that depends. If there is say 5 other rap acts, U2, DMB and Taylor Swift also releasing their efforts, count on Journey being at the end of that line. This single release disc, without a Walmart deal, will not get close to platinum. How the Hell are they going to promote it? How are they going to release it? Through a label? Online? They're going to have a difficult time IMHO. You know Azoff won't spend the money to promote it.

A lot of Jewish people don't like to spend money. That's why they're so god damned rich.

[Monker]

As a fan of the Perry days it made the band look cheap and bitter...and I know I will catch hell for it...but I still
don't get it at all.

you are 100% correct. Re-records are an insult. The current Journey, much like the current Eagles,
is all about making money, the love of making distinct and one of a kind music ended a long time ago ....

Bull! They have tried, it doesn't sell. Red 13 anyone?[/quote]

Red 13 was an experiment trying to produce an album all on their own. Generations was not on exactly distributed very well...and I think it was a half-hearted effort in general. The only Augeri era album that had any kind of chance was Arrival and that died quick because Sony let it.

Revelation, IMO, was a very mediocre and 'safe' album doing nothing but feeding the 'legacy sound' from the rerecords. There was nothing original or interesting about it. At least the Augeri years TRIED to sound a bit different from some 1980's nostalgic band that sounds more like Survivor then Journey.

[ebake02]

I'd love to see a reunion more than anybody else, but to be honest, I think we have a better chance of seeing a Guns And Roses reunion first.

[jrnyjetster]

I can see it now...next year the Journey haters/naysayers will be bitching that this NEW upcoming CONCEPT album doesn't sound enough like Journey!

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

[Eric]

Revelation, IMO, was a very mediocre and 'safe' album doing nothing but feeding the 'legacy sound' from the rerecords. There was nothing original or interesting about it. At least the Augeri years TRIED to sound a bit different from some 1980's nostalgic band that sounds more like Survivor then Journey.

"Change for the Better" and "Wildest Dreams" were good efforts at being different I feel......

[Since 78]

Revelation, IMO, was a very mediocre and 'safe' album doing nothing but feeding the 'legacy sound' from the rerecords. There was nothing original or interesting about it. At least the Augeri years TRIED to sound a bit different from some 1980's nostalgic band that sounds more like Survivor then Journey.

"Change for the Better" and "Wildest Dreams" were good efforts at being different I feel......

Change for the better is a great song, it doesn't across as well live though.

[Michigan Girl]

I can see it now...next year the Journey haters/naysayers will be bitching that this NEW upcoming CONCEPT album doesn't sound enough like Journey!

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Journey haters/naysayers just really don't give a crap one way or the other, anyway ...so it shouldn't
matter!!

[Monker]

I can see it now...next year the Journey haters/naysayers will be bitching that this NEW upcoming CONCEPT album doesn't sound enough like Journey!

As long as they don't do something stupid, like an ancient Hindu theme, they should be OK.

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

[Michigan Girl]

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I happen to agree w/this ...Revelation, blah ...I can't even hum a melody from it!!

[Since 78]

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I happen to agree w/this ...Revelation, blah ...I can't even hum a melody from it!!

Well, you might have to listen to more than once.

[jrnyjetster]

Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I disagree, Monker! ARRIVAL was much more of a throwback in my opinion. There's some really good songs on REVELATION...only two tracks I don't like.

[Rockindeano]

Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I disagree, Monker! ARRIVAL was much more of a throwback in my opinion. There's some really good songs on REVELATION...only two tracks I don't like.

I think what he is saying is Revelation sounds like anything and everything they already did before and in the 80's. The very first track sounds exactly like BGTY, yes? It's rehashed stuff with new lyrics and titles.

[Eric]

Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I disagree, Monker! ARRIVAL was much more of a throwback in my opinion. There's some really good songs on REVELATION...only two tracks I don't like.

I think what he is saying is Revelation sounds like anything and everything they already did before and in the 80's. The very first track sounds exactly like BGTY, yes? It's rehashed stuff with new lyrics and titles.

You can't say that about "Change for the Better" or "Wildest Dreams" though.....

[jrnyjetster]

You said you've only listened to 2 songs on Revelation Deano, so unfortunately I can't respect your opinion.

[Michigan Girl]

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I happen to agree w/this ...Revelation, blah ...I can't even hum a melody from it!!

Well, you might have to listen to more than once.

I saw them live more than that, post~Revelation!!
Sadly, noone around me knew this music, yet it went
platinum?!?! I guess the same people who buy and listen
to Revelation don't attend the shows!!

I listened a few times and there were a couple of ok melodies,
the point is ...if I don't hear them, ever again, I don't feel
like I'd be missing anything ...
Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

[portland]

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I happen to agree w/this ...Revelation, blah ...I can't even hum a melody from it!!

Well, you might have to listen to more than once.

I saw them live more than that, post~Revelation!!
Sadly, noone around me knew this music, yet it went
platinum?!?! I guess the same people who buy and listen
to Revelation don't attend the shows!!

I listened a few times and there were a couple of ok melodies,
the point is ...if I don't hear them, ever again, I don't feel
like I'd be missing anything ...
Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

MG you ROCK!

[jrnyjetster]

Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

Talk about a forgettable song....geesh.

[Monker]

Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I disagree, Monker! ARRIVAL was much more of a throwback in my opinion. There's some really good songs on REVELATION...only two tracks I don't like.

I think what he is saying is Revelation sounds like anything and everything they already did before and in the 80's. The very first track sounds exactly like BGTY, yes? It's rehashed stuff with new lyrics and titles.

You can't say that about "Change for the Better" or "Wildest Dreams" though.....

I can. "Change For the Better" sounds like some left-over Survivor song from Vital Signs that Neal picked up in Jim Peterick's trash and recycled it as a Journey song. "Wildest Dreams", frankly, just sucks. I don't see how anybody could see that one as anything other then a mediocre attempt at sounding retro.

What I am saying is Revelation sounds like music from some washed up 80's rock band that has ran out of ideas to make fresh sounding music so they decided to record the 'legacy sound' from their own catalog, and from 80's bands of a similar sound.

[Monker]

I saw them live more than that, post~Revelation!!
Sadly, noone around me knew this music, yet it went
platinum?!?! I guess the same people who buy and listen
to Revelation don't attend the shows!!

I had the same experience. In fact, during "Wildest Dream", people were TALKING so loud you could hardly hear the music...and I mean in general, not just around me.

the point is ...if I don't hear them, ever again, I don't feel
like I'd be missing anything ...
Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

Can't agree with that...In fact, I haven't listened to TBF in ages...because that music is also forgettable.

[RocknRoll]

Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

Talk about a forgettable song....geesh.

I think you missed the

I still love a few songs from Revelation:

Change for the Better
What I Needed
Turn Down the World
and even still enjoy Wildest Dreams.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I disagree, Monker! ARRIVAL was much more of a throwback in my opinion. There's some really good songs on REVELATION...only two tracks I don't like.

I think what he is saying is Revelation sounds like anything and everything they already did before and in the 80's. The very first track sounds exactly like BGTY, yes? It's rehashed stuff with new lyrics and titles.

I think Neal admitted as much when he recently said he was tired of doing the "same songs with different chords" or something like that.

[Since 78]

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I happen to agree w/this ...Revelation, blah ...I can't even hum a melody from it!!

Well, you might have to listen to more than once.

I saw them live more than that, post~Revelation!!
Sadly, noone around me knew this music, yet it went
platinum?!?! I guess the same people who buy and listen
to Revelation don't attend the shows!!

I listened a few times and there were a couple of ok melodies,
the point is ...if I don't hear them, ever again, I don't feel
like I'd be missing anything ...
Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

I still listen to Revelation at least once a week, is it Infinity or Escape? No, But I enjoy it. Don't really care if it sounds like the 80s and Neal lights it up.

And please quit bringing up THAT song. Now I can't get it out of my head!

[portland]

REVELATION actually was well received by the critics. Go figure, hah?

Since when do critics matter? Revelation was forgettable 80's throwback music...that's all.

I happen to agree w/this ...Revelation, blah ...I can't even hum a melody from it!!

Well, you might have to listen to more than once.

I saw them live more than that, post~Revelation!!
Sadly, noone around me knew this music, yet it went
platinum?!?! I guess the same people who buy and listen
to Revelation don't attend the shows!!

I listened a few times and there were a couple of ok melodies,
the point is ...if I don't hear them, ever again, I don't feel
like I'd be missing anything ...
Now, take away ...Baby I'm Leaving You and BAM ...I'm lost!!

I still listen to Revelation at least once a week, is it Infinity or Escape? No, But I enjoy it. Don't really care if it sounds like the 80s and Neal lights it up.



And please quit bringing up THAT song. Now I can't get it out of my head!

I hope you hear it in your sleep tonight!