Anyone a believer in the Paranormal?

[Michigan Girl]

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[Don]

I thought Parfait laid out his argument perfectly.

The defense of, "Well, you can't disprove it" is equivalent to the "I don't know so God must have done it" rebuttal. I can't disprove that there aren't a thousand little Hitlers running around right next to me in parallel universe making Jewish stir-fry either but it doesn't make it any more true because it can't be proven to be false. The beauty of the human mind is wonderful in itself but everyone wants something even more fantastic, as an alternative to whats real. No answer can be acceptable unless it matches up to what some script writer wrote in Hollywood.
Go to a library and read a factual book on the subject. Don't take the easy way out because you don't want to read about boring old science or have your hidden hopes about there being life on the other side or a kindly old man waiting to take up into the clouds once you expire dashed. So much out there in the universe to be explored through the wonders of science but all you lot want is to find a convenient rabbit hole to climb in with a magical stairway to the heavens.

[Saint John]

I've had that paralyzed feeling a million times - it's a well-recognized phenomenon. I forget what it's called, but you're like kinda in between sleep and waking.

You fuckers are weird, man. If that ever happened to me I'd hire a fucking body guard to do nothing more than watch me sleep.

[Don]

Like I said in an earlier post, everything that YoungJRNY described can be duplicated in a controlled environment, no magic or intervention from above necessary. Neurosurgeons have been aware of this malady for decades and what causes it, what else do you people want?

[Saint John]

Like I said in an earlier post, everything that YoungJRNY described can be duplicated in a controlled environment, no magic or intervention from above necessary. Neurosurgeons have been aware of this malady for decades and what causes it, what else do you people want?

Makes perfect sense to me. How come ghosts, spirits, voices and these witches sitting on people never happens when someone is watching Jeopardy in the early afternoon? It's almost always when you're slightly conscious, somewhere really dark or a combination of the two. Why are ghosts and spirits afraid of doing shit during the day when we're totally conscious? 'Cuz that shit doesn't exist.

[parfait]

Like I said in an earlier post, everything that YoungJRNY described can be duplicated in a controlled environment, no magic or intervention from above necessary. Neurosurgeons have been aware of this malady for decades and what causes it, what else do you people want?

Yup. It's either lucid dreaming, or sleep paralysis caused by lucid dreaming. It's easy, with some persistence, to learn how to self induce it. But what the fuck do I know; I'm close minded.

Just about to finish this mango and Peruvian jizz potion. A Hungarian elephant dipped in glitter and cheese doodles told me it was good for me, and there's nothing you close minded people can say to prove otherwise! Nom nom nom

[artist4perry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

Watch this movie..........Expelled by Ben Stein. I would gather that you would not bother to watch it. Why are scientists, some threatened by other scientists entertaining the exploration of Creation? They worship like Parfait, at the shrine of an unproven theory.

[artist4perry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stGYU6LaLaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZsND1RIoAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3eqka4Q4jU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyNj2D09cBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuVSIG265b4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6b4564ZeLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bqLGKBK4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bqLGKBK4c



Here watch it when you can, all 10 segments.....................

[BobbyinTN]

I'm a believer. (God, did I just quote the Monkeys?) LOL

I've seen "ghosts" or "spirits" all my life. My mother can also see them and we were raised as it was no big deal. Can I explain them? No. But I have my theories, i.e., restless souls, murder victims, etc.

I'll tell a quick story that I usually reserve for Halloween and the bonfire.

My partner of almost 18 years was raised to believe that there are no such things as ghots. Dead is dead and until Jesus comes back, the dead stay in the ground.

Well, we had moved to a small apartment in Nashville, TN about 15 years ago. The block of apartments we were in had been there for a good 15 or 20 years, so they were older, but had been fixed up. My partner travels for a living, so I was at the apartment most of the time by myself. I had seen a ghost walking the halls and sometimes sitting at my computer. My partner was traveling back and fourth between Nashville and New Orleans at the time, so he was already spooked. LOL I didn't mention seeing the ghosts to him because of his non believing ways. Finally one day he got the courage up to tell me he had been seeing something or someone in the apartment. I told him yeah, he's a thin, older man wearing blue jeans and a red plaid shirt. His face went white and I thought he was gonna faint. I described exactly what he was seeing. Needless to say, he's believed in ghosts ever since. LOL

[Saint John]

he's a thin, older man wearing blue jeans and a red plaid shirt.

You were haunted by Mr. Furley?!?!

[parfait]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stGYU6LaLaU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZsND1RIoAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3eqka4Q4jU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyNj2D09cBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuVSIG265b4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6b4564ZeLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bqLGKBK4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3bqLGKBK4c



Here watch it when you can, all 10 segments.....................

No Intelligence Allowed? Are you kidding me? That's a well known piece of propaganda crap. I've seen it a couple of times in my human behavior class. Alright, I'll go over the basics concerning the movies main points. I know you won't take them in consideration, but at least I'll have the enjoyment of winning the argument, no matter how close minded I am. I have no way of going through all the points though, as that will take hours.

- Intelligent design has not produced any research to suppress. When prominent ID proponent Michael Behe was asked about his research, and why “you don’t do those tests?” he responded, “I myself would prefer to spend time in what I would consider to be more fruitful endeavors.” If even proponents of ID do not think it is a fruitful enterprise, why should the scientific community take any interest in it?

- Intelligent design is scientifically unproductive, and this perhaps explains why scientists like Guillermo Gonzalez and Michael Behe publish far fewer papers after they become attracted to intelligent design. Ultimately, intelligent design’s lack of success in science departments is the fault of the flawed and unscientific nature of intelligent design itself, not the result of bias in the scientific community.

- Expelled makes a big point of connecting atheism to advocacy of evolution, reinforcing the “conspiracy” theme that atheist scientists are actively repressing intelligent design advocacy. The movie sets up an unnecessary dichotomy between science and religion by pretending that a selected group of atheist scientists represent all scientists. Associate Producer Mark Mathis admitted in an interview that religious scientists like Kenneth Miller of Brown University, a practicing Catholic, were deliberately excluded from the movie because their views would have “confused the film unnecessarily”

- Referring to evolution, scientists “say the debate has been settled, that the issues are settled.” (Bruce Chapman, Expelled) (Dunno if I got the name spelled right) Scientists have been researching evolution for 150 years, and it continues to be well supported by new research. Modern evidence for evolution derives from fossils, from genetics, from the development of organisms, and from many other fields unimaginable to Darwin or even to early 20th-century evolutionary biologists.

- “The paper ignited a firestorm of controversy merely because it suggested intelligent design might be able to explain how life began.” (Ben Stein, Expelled)
.Expelled doesn’t even get the paper’s subject right. The paper was not about how life began; it was about the Cambrian Explosion, which occurred about three billion years later. The greater error is claiming that the discussion of ID generated the controversy. There was an understandable outcry from members of the Biological Society of Washington over the embarrassing publication of what they recognized as poorly-written, inaccurate science in their journal. The argument presented in the Meyer paper had previously been reviewed and rejected by scientists. Seeing this shoddy science in their journal indeed “ignited a firestorm”, but not for the reasons given in Expelled.

- “Darwinism” “led to” Nazism, the Holocaust, and other heinous historical events. Since the 1920s, a narrow group of Christians who rejected the modernizing changes made by mainstream Protestants, have wrongly tried to blame evolution for what they see as the ills of modern society. World War I, atheism, and communism have all been attributed to evolution. After World War II, this narrow group added Nazism and Fascism to the horrors supposedly caused by evolution. I mean, come on. I learned the occurrence of nazism in high school. Jeesh. These claims occur in the writings of the young-earth creationist Henry M. Morris, a founder of the modern creation science movement, and have been repeated by “intelligent design” promoters and creationist Christian organizations such as Answers in Genesis.

On April 29, 2008, the Anti-Defamation League said this concerning the aformentioned:

The film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed misappropriates the Holocaust and its imagery as a part of its political effort to discredit the scientific community which rejects so-called intelligent design theory.
Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people and Darwin and evolutionary theory cannot explain Hitler’s genocidal madness.Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/5277_52.htm

- Charles Darwin advocated eugenics in the Descent of Man. This is just bullshit, as he didn't read the following sentence in the book:

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature

(Source: Descent of man)

- Natural selection is inadequate to produce complicated things which require the infusion of some sort of “information” unavailable from natural processes. “But natural selection reduces genetic information and we know this from all the genetic operation studies that we have”. (Maciej Giertych, Expelled) Intelligent design advocates spend a great deal of time discussing “information,” yet rarely define the term. Natural selection reduces genetic variability, which can indeed be used as a measure of information, but to say then that selection therefore cannot produce complex structures demonstrates a basic misunderstanding of how natural selection works.

Come on, I could go on and on and on and on. This is a perfect example how a lack of knowledge leads to people jumping to conclusion, and then got the nerve to call someone else close minded. Puh-lease!

Here's a quote from http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben-stein-doesnt-want-you-to-know&page=2 (I recommend that you check it out): Scientists in the film thought they were being interviewed for a different movie.
As Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, Eugenie Scott, Michael Shermer and other proponents of evolution appearing in Expelled have publicly remarked, the producers first arranged to interview them for a film that was to be called Crossroads, which was allegedly a documentary on "the intersection of science and religion."

Regarding Guillermo Gonzalez' claims that his intelligent design papers made him lose his job or whatever, was later explained by Iowa State University (which is the university he worked in):

...after the normal review of his qualifications, such as his record of scientific publications (which had dropped sharply after he joined the faculty),[53][54] he was not granted tenure and promotion on the grounds that he "simply did not show the trajectory of excellence that we expect in a candidate seeking tenure in physics and astronomy."

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~nscentral/news/2007/jun/statement.shtml

Straight from wikipedia:

he film's extensive use of Michael Moore-style devices was commented upon,[114] but the film was variously characterized as boring, exaggerated, and unconvincing.[115] Others found it insulting and offensive to the religious.[116] The Globe & Mail's film review gave the film a score of 0 and called "an appallingly unscrupulous example of hack propaganda".[117] Vue Weekly called it an "anti-science propaganda masquerading as a Michael Moore-ish fool's journey, full of disingenuous ploys, cheap tricks, and outright mendacity."[118]

The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) issued a statement to say it was "especially disappointed to learn that the producers of an intelligent design propaganda movie called Expelled are inappropriately pitting science against religion."[15] It went on to say the organization "further decries the profound dishonesty and lack of civility demonstrated by this effort", and said the movie "seeks to force religious viewpoints into science class – despite court decisions that have struck down efforts to bring creationism and intelligent design into schools."[119]

-The film contends that there is widespread persecution of educators and scientists who promote intelligent design, and a conspiracy to keep God out of the nation's laboratories and classrooms. The film contains interviews with educators and scientists in which they describe this persecution. Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education stated that these allegations exploited Americans’ sense of fairness in an attempt to sell religious views, and that the depiction of the scientific community was simply wrong http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/science/27expelled.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Seriously Ginger. This is your big comeback? A movie made by a hack reporter? I'm really just repeating myself here, as you obviously won't listen: Believe whatever the fuck you want - but don't come here calling me some sort of science pitbull; a close minded one too. How many times to we have to do this? What'll happen now is that you're going to ignore my post completely , call me a slave or whatever to science and end it with some occam's razor-ish statement.

Gonna end this with a quote from your man, Ben Stein:

When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers, talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you. ... Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWRmOTU2YzZlN2RhMzhjNzEwNzQ3MzFiZDE2NjM3NWE=

If you can't see that ludicrous statement for what it is, then... Uh... Fuck it.

[BobbyinTN]

he's a thin, older man wearing blue jeans and a red plaid shirt.

You were haunted by Mr. Furley?!?!

LOL! Maybe if he'd been wearing an ascot.

[Angel]

Parfait, do you REALLY have nothing better to do than write a dissertation on the improbabilty of paranormal activity to post on a message board?????

[Saint John]

Parfait, do you REALLY have nothing better to do than write a dissertation on the improbabilty of paranormal activity to post on a message board?????

He could follow Scarabgator around and defend him at every turn, if you'd like.

[BobbyinTN]

Non-believers have their opinions and while I don't agree with them, they don't have the right to tell me I'm wrong.

It's like believers in Christ that want to convert everyone or atheists who think everyone is stupid for believing in God.

Basically I don't care what anyone thinks as long as they don't try to push it on me or make me adhere to their beliefs.

No one can say for certain if there is or isn't a God and no one can say for certain if ghosts exists. Those who believe have seen things and trust me, they are more than "tricks of light" or a dream state, but again, you don't have to believe, you just don't have the right to tell me what is real and what isn't.

[Don]

Score one for the French, that was well done.
Ginger won't be able to shit right for a week.

[Angel]

Parfait, do you REALLY have nothing better to do than write a dissertation on the improbabilty of paranormal activity to post on a message board?????

He could follow Scarabgator around and defend him at every turn, if you'd like.

SG doesn't need to be defended....he's a big boy, he can take care of himself. Now STFU.

I thought you'd be impressed at the fact I used words with more than four letters and I probably spelled most of them almost right-I mean that's a big accomplishment for me, you know, being less intelligent than Dean's penis, plus all the valium I take.

[Angel]

Score one for the French, that was well done.

Don, do you really have nothing better to do than read a dissertation that Parfait wrote on the improbability of parnormal activity that he posted on an internet message board?

[Don]

Non-believers have their opinions and while I don't agree with them, they don't have the right to tell me I'm wrong.

It's like believers in Christ that want to convert everyone or atheists who think everyone is stupid for believing in God.

Basically I don't care what anyone thinks as long as they don't try to push it on me or make me adhere to their beliefs.

No one can say for certain if there is or isn't a God and no one can say for certain if ghosts exists. Those who believe have seen things and trust me, they are more than "tricks of light" or a dream state, but again, you don't have to believe, you just don't have the right to tell me what is real and what isn't.

No one is telling you that you're wrong, we're just explaining to you why we don't believe that you are right.

[Don]

Score one for the French, that was well done.

Don, do you really have nothing better to do than read a dissertation that Parfait wrote on the improbability of parnormal activity that he posted on an internet message board?

I thought it was fucking brilliant. Who says the internet is just for porn? (besides stevew2)

[Saint John]

valium

Don't mix those fuckers with beer! I hurt my back about 4 years ago playing softball and my friend noticed I was in pain at the bar, afterward. He gave me something and said it would help. I thought it was a vicodin. Boy, was I wrong. About 6 beers later I kept missing when I tried to drink my beer. I handed my keys to the girl I was with and said "Take me home right fucking now." I slept for 12 hours!

[Angel]

I thought it was fucking brilliant. Who says the internet is just for porn? (besides stevew2)

Wait! What? There's more on the internet than porn???? WTF? Why didn't anyone tell me?

[BobbyinTN]

Non-believers have their opinions and while I don't agree with them, they don't have the right to tell me I'm wrong.

It's like believers in Christ that want to convert everyone or atheists who think everyone is stupid for believing in God.

Basically I don't care what anyone thinks as long as they don't try to push it on me or make me adhere to their beliefs.

No one can say for certain if there is or isn't a God and no one can say for certain if ghosts exists. Those who believe have seen things and trust me, they are more than "tricks of light" or a dream state, but again, you don't have to believe, you just don't have the right to tell me what is real and what isn't.

No one is telling you that you're wrong, we're just explaining to you why we don't believe that you are right.

LOL! Semantics much?

That's just it, you can not say I'm not right because of the variables in the scenario. You can HOPE you're right but a definitive declaration about the exisitence of ghosts or spirits can't be made from either side without proof. Those of us who believe, have the proof and refusal of that proof by anyone is simply more of desire to be right than actually being right.

[parfait]

Parfait, do you REALLY have nothing better to do than write a dissertation on the improbabilty of paranormal activity to post on a message board?????

It's 02:23 AM here, pouring down like crazy outside and I still got to get through 4 more chapters of next semesters anatomy class before tomorrow morning; so nope - the enjoyment I get for educating ugly ass, uncivilized bitches like yourself is pretty good too. Pay me a couple of vicodins (as I presume that's the money of choice in your circles) and I'll teach you how to blink and breath at the same time.

Go choke on your own cellulites

[artist4perry]

Non-believers have their opinions and while I don't agree with them, they don't have the right to tell me I'm wrong.

It's like believers in Christ that want to convert everyone or atheists who think everyone is stupid for believing in God.

Basically I don't care what anyone thinks as long as they don't try to push it on me or make me adhere to their beliefs.

No one can say for certain if there is or isn't a God and no one can say for certain if ghosts exists. Those who believe have seen things and trust me, they are more than "tricks of light" or a dream state, but again, you don't have to believe, you just don't have the right to tell me what is real and what isn't.

No one is telling you that you're wrong, we're just explaining to you why we don't believe that you are right.

But you see, I don't care if you agree. I am not concerned with convincing you. I just get sick of your right and I must be wrong theory some come to conclusions on here. I am saying if someone believes, don't call them retarded, stupid, ignorant.............etc. Don't be insulting...............and Don I am not saying you are. I can see why people believe in Darwinism. I just get furious at a so called scientific world that won't allow scientist to even explore any other theories without being run out of town so to speak. There are scientists who question both. What is wrong with questioning, I thought that was what science was?

[Angel]

valium

Don't mix those fuckers with beer! I hurt my back about 4 years ago playing softball and my friend noticed I was in pain at the bar, afterward. He gave me something and said it would help. I thought it was a vicodin. Boy, was I wrong. About 6 beers later I kept missing when I tried to drink my beer. I handed my keys to the girl I was with and said "Take me home right fucking now." I slept for 12 hours!

psst...you shouldn't mix alcohol and vicodin either.

[Triple S]

he's a thin, older man wearing blue jeans and a red plaid shirt.

You were haunted by Mr. Furley?!?!

LOL! Maybe if he'd been wearing an ascot.

Coulda been Neal - oh wait - that was blue plaid (and maybe not so thin)



(I never saw Mr. Furley in jeans, I thought it was always polyester leisure suits!)

[Angel]

Parfait, do you REALLY have nothing better to do than write a dissertation on the improbabilty of paranormal activity to post on a message board?????

It's 02:23 AM here, pouring down like crazy outside and I still got to get through 4 more chapters of next semesters anatomy class before tomorrow morning; so nope - the enjoyment I get for educating ugly ass, uncivilized bitches like yourself is pretty good too. Pay me a couple of vicodins (as I presume that's the money of choice in your circles) and I'll teach you how to blink and breath at the same time.

Go choke on your own cellulites

WHOA! No way??? Really, you could teach me to do that???? OMG, that would be GREAT!!!

[artist4perry]

Parfait, do you REALLY have nothing better to do than write a dissertation on the improbabilty of paranormal activity to post on a message board?????

It's 02:23 AM here, pouring down like crazy outside and I still got to get through 4 more chapters of next semesters anatomy class before tomorrow morning; so nope - the enjoyment I get for educating ugly ass, uncivilized bitches like yourself is pretty good too. Pay me a couple of vicodins (as I presume that's the money of choice in your circles) and I'll teach you how to blink and breath at the same time.
Go choke on your own cellulites

Cannot for the life of you be nice little boy? No, you proved nothing to me. Again, the whole movie is the debate as to why scientists cannot study without being run out on the rail by Darwinian nuts. Power is why it is not allowed to be studied. But ah it has little man, it has. Intelligent Design has been studied. But the money is used in science to silence it.

I have seen your picture. You look like a girl. And not a pretty one at that. So before you call her ugly look into your messed up athiestic heart. If Darwinism produces hateful, cruel, stupid, narrow minded, egotistical males like you. Women should refuse to breed and let your species die. It would be a blessing.

[conversationpc]

But you see, I don't care if you agree. I am not concerned with convincing you. I just get sick of your right and I must be wrong theory some come to conclusions on here. I am saying if someone believes, don't call them retarded, stupid, ignorant.............etc. Don't be insulting...............and Don I am not saying you are. I can see why people believe in Darwinism. I just get furious at a so called scientific world that won't allow scientist to even explore any other theories without being run out of town so to speak. There are scientists who question both. What is wrong with questioning, I thought that was what science was?

Neither God nor evolution is 100% provable by "scientific" evidence. I'm a Christian. I believe there's as much evidence for his existence (and probably more) than there is for evolution. Calling someone retarded, ignorant, etc., on either side of this issue (or even in the middle) is really what's retarded and ignorant.