Anyone a believer in the Paranormal?

[YoungJRNY]

i've had these dreams going on over a year now where i hear a female voice call out my name and then i wake up out of my sleep.the first couple times i thought my girlfriend had maybe called out to me but she didn't.anyone have these type of dreams? or maybe dreams haunted by spirits?

Sometimes if I'm alone I'll hear noises that sounds like a whispered name but it's really quick, pitched enough to know it was a voice but not slow enough to actually make out the name. It's just a really, really, really quick whisper, almost like a hush. I've found myself hearing it in a split second like it's whispered directly into my ear and then looking around to see if my mind is playing tricks. Happened on way more than one occasion.

similar to what i hear.does it ever scare you a bit?

It's one of those things that certainly stops you in your tracks and basically freezes you up. It's something you don't expect when you hear a voice when noone is in the house with you or remotely around. Like I said, it's not something that you could actually make out but it's very quick and you could actually hear words but comprehension is usually not the case. Very hard to explain and the reason I never speak of it is because of the responses that show up in this very thread and beyond that. I tend to just let it go and chalk it up as a personal experience in knowing what I hear and ONLY of what I heard because I know someone would try to push the subject that what I heard was bullshit and would look at me like I was a nutbag. In some instances and in my more immature years, I'd laugh in someones face but we'll see how tough you are once something of the unexplained DOES happen and we'll see if it doesn't stop you dead in your tracks.

Other than that, the unexplained and the unproven will always be the unexplained and the unproven, which leads me to believe some things are meant to be left alone and made for one individual to make up their own mind by themselves and not what science says, or what one other forced upon you.

[Ehwmatt]

I've had that paralyzed feeling a million times - it's a well-recognized phenomenon. I forget what it's called, but you're like kinda in between sleep and waking.

You fuckers are weird, man. If that ever happened to me I'd hire a fucking body guard to do nothing more than watch me sleep.

You've never had that shit man? I don't believe in paranormal shit at all, but everyone gets sleep paralysis. I remember one time I was having this dream where I was on vacation with a group of friends and family, at this nice resort, then next thing we knew, terrorists were blitzing our building. Keep in mind, this was after a long night of Call of Duty on Xbox live.

My buddy was drivin this truck and I was manning the sentry gun mounted in the back and I was MOWING these fuckers down sendin 'em back to Allah. Then, a frag grenade bounced into the back near my leg and I tried to dive, then I woke up and was paralyzed.

[Ligzig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

Watch this movie..........Expelled by Ben Stein. I would gather that you would not bother to watch it. Why are scientists, some threatened by other scientists entertaining the exploration of Creation? They worship like Parfait, at the shrine of an unproven theory.

Speaking of unproven theories,

You should watch the "Why do people laugh at Creationist" series.

I'll start you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY

There are around 33 parts, so you need some patience. Don't get thrown off by the title, it isn't any more insulting than "Expelled" (LOL) These videos actually provides arguments from BOTH sides.

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Parfait, so what if he throws a few insults here and there? He put up solid arguments in this thread and I haven't seen anyone try and respond to them, only points fingers and yell "you're a meanie!" The burden of proof is not on Parfait, as he is not the one claiming to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

[Moon Beam]

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Parfait

I don't know the reasons for everyone else but I'll surely share mine.
He is arrogant and self righteous, two things I have trouble taking with a grain of salt...
Also his posts read rudely.
I've posted much of the same towards other members here in the past.

[artist4perry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

Watch this movie..........Expelled by Ben Stein. I would gather that you would not bother to watch it. Why are scientists, some threatened by other scientists entertaining the exploration of Creation? They worship like Parfait, at the shrine of an unproven theory.

Speaking of unproven theories,

You should watch the "Why do people laugh at Creationist" series.

I'll start you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY

There are around 33 parts, so you need some patience. Don't get thrown off by the title, it isn't any more insulting than "Expelled" (LOL) These videos actually provides arguments from BOTH sides.

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Parfait, so what if he throws a few insults here and there? He put up solid arguments in this thread and I haven't seen anyone try and respond to them, only points fingers and yell "you're a meanie!" The burden of proof is not on Parfait, as he is not the one claiming to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

He can't prove his theory any more than I can prove God. But I am not trying to get him to prove Darwinism. But he expects proof of my theory. Theories are all any of us have. No theory of the origin of life has been proven. So the rest of you athiest can continue to hi five each other over your lack of proof. I would rather talk about the original thread, and leave you to your arrogence. Oh and you can laugh all you want, I don't see the need to make fun of your thoughts as you do mine.

[Everett]

I do believe in the paranormal. I've experienced the unexplained myself many years ago, and to me... there's only one explanation. Here's my story (to those interested)...

When I was 15 years old, my best friend Tom from high school was kicked out of his house by his alcoholic father, and a mother who was a cocaine dealer. He was like a brother to me, and my parents always treated him like a son. My parents took him in, bought him all new clothes (his parents wouldn't even give him his clothes!), and bought him a "boom-box". He had everything I had, and did great! He finished high school, and moved out of the house to live with his girlfriend. That fall, he was hit and killed by a drunk-driver on his way to our house.

I was devastated by his death, and we were really his only family. My parents picked out his favorite sweater and jeans for him to be buried in. I had another friend over at my house about a week later, and I was depressed as hell. Tom was a huge Journey fan and he's the one who got me to learn my first Journey songs on the piano. I sat down and started playing the piano while my other friend was in the room, and I saw movement out of the corner of my eye from the other room. I glanced up, and I saw Tom (through a window that went into the other room) walking into the hallway that went into the room I was in!

He was wearing the same sweater that we buried him in, and I saw him walk just looking straight ahead into the hallway like he would on any other day. I asked my buddy Jeremy if he saw that, and he said "dude, I just saw Tom!". I will NEVER forget that for the rest of my life! Jeremy also died about 6 months later from cancer.

It was a very strange time in my life, but that night, I wasn't drinking, and I know what I saw. It wasn't just a flash or anything... I looked up, and saw him walk about 15 feet! I definitely believe in ghosts, and knowing Tom, he was coming into the room to hear me play piano. He's the main person that got me into playing. We used to double date all the time with the ladies, and I'd almost ALWAYS have to bust out some piano moves to set the mood...

Wow jim i choked up a little reading that story. Thanks for sharing it with us

[Ligzig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

Watch this movie..........Expelled by Ben Stein. I would gather that you would not bother to watch it. Why are scientists, some threatened by other scientists entertaining the exploration of Creation? They worship like Parfait, at the shrine of an unproven theory.

Speaking of unproven theories,

You should watch the "Why do people laugh at Creationist" series.

I'll start you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY

There are around 33 parts, so you need some patience. Don't get thrown off by the title, it isn't any more insulting than "Expelled" (LOL) These videos actually provides arguments from BOTH sides.

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Parfait, so what if he throws a few insults here and there? He put up solid arguments in this thread and I haven't seen anyone try and respond to them, only points fingers and yell "you're a meanie!" The burden of proof is not on Parfait, as he is not the one claiming to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

He can't prove his theory any more than I can prove God. But I am not trying to get him to prove Darwinism. But he expects proof of my theory. Theories are all any of us have. No theory of the origin of life has been proven. So the rest of you athiest can continue to hi five each other over your lack of proof. I would rather talk about the original thread, and leave you to your arrogence. Oh and you can laugh all you want, I don't see the need to make fun of your thoughts as you do mine.

Actually, you started all of this by talking down to Parfait because of his age and assuming that is the reason why he is too "ignorant" to believe in God because, obviously, there is "science to back it up. lots in fact" and you, being so much older, obviously know the hidden truth and meaning to life because of your maturity. Don't try and play the victim. Parfait posted his opinion about how he believes none of this exists and you attacked him with that little gem.

Well, you posted your little video and obviously wanted Parfait to watch it with an open mind, why can't you watch my videos with an open mind? You made your arguments and so Parfait, Don and myself posted our response and you continue avoiding the whole debate and pointing fingers.

[artist4perry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

Watch this movie..........Expelled by Ben Stein. I would gather that you would not bother to watch it. Why are scientists, some threatened by other scientists entertaining the exploration of Creation? They worship like Parfait, at the shrine of an unproven theory.

Speaking of unproven theories,

You should watch the "Why do people laugh at Creationist" series.

I'll start you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY

There are around 33 parts, so you need some patience. Don't get thrown off by the title, it isn't any more insulting than "Expelled" (LOL) These videos actually provides arguments from BOTH sides.

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Parfait, so what if he throws a few insults here and there? He put up solid arguments in this thread and I haven't seen anyone try and respond to them, only points fingers and yell "you're a meanie!" The burden of proof is not on Parfait, as he is not the one claiming to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

He can't prove his theory any more than I can prove God. But I am not trying to get him to prove Darwinism. But he expects proof of my theory. Theories are all any of us have. No theory of the origin of life has been proven. So the rest of you athiest can continue to hi five each other over your lack of proof. I would rather talk about the original thread, and leave you to your arrogence. Oh and you can laugh all you want, I don't see the need to make fun of your thoughts as you do mine.

Actually, you started all of this by talking down to Parfait because of his age and assuming that is the reason why he is too "ignorant" to believe in God because, obviously, there is "science to back it up. lots in fact" and you, being so much older, obviously know the hidden truth and meaning to life because of your maturity. Don't try and play the victim. Parfait posted his opinion about how he believes none of this exists and you attacked him with that little gem.

Well, you posted your little video and obviously wanted Parfait to watch it with an open mind, why can't you watch my videos with an open mind? You made your arguments and so Parfait, Don and myself posted our response and you continue avoiding the whole debate and pointing fingers.

Parfait started the whole proof of God + 0 on page two. Tell me where I said he was too ignorant to believe in God. I said he does not know everything. And that goes for me too, the older I get the more I learn I do not know. We learn more and more the older we get. None of that was refering to God. I was saying he made fun of others here because of their statements on paranormal experiances. I just was stating that he does not know it ALL as he professes, and maybe you need to ask me what I meant instead of letting your oppinion run away with you. I watched some of yours. A boy to argue his theory of God and scientist to argue evolution. Real fair.

[Ligzig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXew8Odxtk

Watch this movie..........Expelled by Ben Stein. I would gather that you would not bother to watch it. Why are scientists, some threatened by other scientists entertaining the exploration of Creation? They worship like Parfait, at the shrine of an unproven theory.

Speaking of unproven theories,

You should watch the "Why do people laugh at Creationist" series.

I'll start you off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY

There are around 33 parts, so you need some patience. Don't get thrown off by the title, it isn't any more insulting than "Expelled" (LOL) These videos actually provides arguments from BOTH sides.

I don't understand why everyone is attacking Parfait, so what if he throws a few insults here and there? He put up solid arguments in this thread and I haven't seen anyone try and respond to them, only points fingers and yell "you're a meanie!" The burden of proof is not on Parfait, as he is not the one claiming to believe in the invisible man in the sky.

He can't prove his theory any more than I can prove God. But I am not trying to get him to prove Darwinism. But he expects proof of my theory. Theories are all any of us have. No theory of the origin of life has been proven. So the rest of you athiest can continue to hi five each other over your lack of proof. I would rather talk about the original thread, and leave you to your arrogence. Oh and you can laugh all you want, I don't see the need to make fun of your thoughts as you do mine.

Actually, you started all of this by talking down to Parfait because of his age and assuming that is the reason why he is too "ignorant" to believe in God because, obviously, there is "science to back it up. lots in fact" and you, being so much older, obviously know the hidden truth and meaning to life because of your maturity. Don't try and play the victim. Parfait posted his opinion about how he believes none of this exists and you attacked him with that little gem.

Well, you posted your little video and obviously wanted Parfait to watch it with an open mind, why can't you watch my videos with an open mind? You made your arguments and so Parfait, Don and myself posted our response and you continue avoiding the whole debate and pointing fingers.

Parfait started the whole proof of God + 0 on page two. Tell me where I said he was too ignorant to believe in God. I said he does not know everything. And that goes for me too, the older I get the more I learn I do not know. We learn more and more the older we get. None of that was refering to God. I was saying he made fun of others here because of their statements on paranormal experiances. I just was stating that he does not know it ALL as he professes, and maybe you need to ask me what I meant instead of letting your oppinion run away with you. I watched some of yours. A boy to argue his theory of God and scientist to argue evolution. Real fair.

Maybe you should check out more of his videos, he doesn't only focus on that "boy" but also argues against Kirk Cameron, Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort and other highly known Creationists and even has a sit down discussion with Ray Comfort.

Thunderfoot isn't a scientist. I'm also not an atheist, more of an agnostic.

You don't have to be a scientist to be against religion.

BTW: that "boy" challenged Thunderfoot to a debate.

[artist4perry]

This is not a debate.............it is you trying to make fun of me for my beliefs. I don't see the need to fight with you over it. I just tire of you guys belittling others who don't think like you do. Do you truly hate Christians so much that you go on these tangents to try and put us down? You are messed up. What I don't like about Parfait is not his thoughts, but his hatefulness. Ari is athiest, and we can have nice discussions on the matter. But she does not try to make me out to be stupid as you guys do. Your not happy unless you hurt.

Oh and all these people you mentioned, are not the scientists I have studied about. Kurt Cameron? Please give me a break. I never see him as a religious scientist type.

But again, it is about making fun of christians is it not?

[Ligzig]

This is not a debate.............it is you trying to make fun of me for my beliefs. I don't see the need to fight with you over it. I just tire of you guys belittling others who don't think like you do. Do you truly hate Christians so much that you go on these tangents to try and put us down? You are messed up. What I don't like about Parfait is not his thoughts, but his hatefulness. Ari is athiest, and we can have nice discussions on the matter. But she does not try to make me out to be stupid as you guys do. Your not happy unless you hurt.

I'm not trying to hurt anybody.

You directed a statement towards Parfait making fun of his views because of his age and then praising God in the next line. You are mocking his entire beliefs and I see that as an insult and a great way to spark a debate. In the end, it is an unknown, but we at least have facts to back up a lot of our arguments. If you're getting upset by that, then I'm sorry, continue living in darkness. More power to you, just don't insult others with your "beliefs" next time. Just don't bring God into it. If you want to bring God into it, we are going to bring real science and hard facts into it. I'm not even talking about the "theory vs theory" argument, I'm simply targeting your statement towards Parfait on page 2 of this thread.

The rest of the human population has a more valid reason to be upset at you Christians than you have to be upset at Science. Take a look at history and get back to me. Don't ignore all the horrible things done in the name of religion and don't overlook the fact that everything you use in the 21st century and the reason you can have a greater quality of life is because of Science.

I'm done and for the record, I used to be a strong believer in God. I went into a dark depression and couldn't find any comfort or answers in religion, because there aren't any. I have been as good a person as any one person can be, and if God can't be there for me, then I don't need him.

[Ligzig]

Oh and all these people you mentioned, are not the scientists I have studied about. Kurt Cameron? Please give me a break. I never see him as a religious scientist type.

They are prominent figures in the intelligent design crowd. They use their "science" to try and back up their claims.

But again, it is about making fun of christians is it not?

The Christians and Intelligent design camp attacked Thunderfoot and challenged him to a debate. That's all it is, a debate. He provides the argument of the Intelligent Design camp and then refutes it. Probably no different than your video "expelled" in that they are taking popular arguments and making an argument against them or providing an alternative.

[artist4perry]

This is not a debate.............it is you trying to make fun of me for my beliefs. I don't see the need to fight with you over it. I just tire of you guys belittling others who don't think like you do. Do you truly hate Christians so much that you go on these tangents to try and put us down? You are messed up. What I don't like about Parfait is not his thoughts, but his hatefulness. Ari is athiest, and we can have nice discussions on the matter. But she does not try to make me out to be stupid as you guys do. Your not happy unless you hurt.

I'm not trying to hurt anybody.

You directed a statement towards Parfait making fun of his views because of his age and then praising God in the next line. You are mocking his entire beliefs and I see that as an insult and a great way to spark a debate. In the end, it is an unknown, but we at least have facts to back up a lot of our arguments. If you're getting upset by that, then I'm sorry, continue living in darkness. More power to you, just don't insult others with your "beliefs" next time. Just don't bring God into it. If you want to bring God into it, we are going to bring real science and hard facts into it. I'm not even talking about the "theory vs theory" argument, I'm simply targeting your statement towards Parfait on page 2 of this thread.

The rest of the human population has a more valid reason to be upset at you Christians than you have to be upset at Science. Take a look at history and get back to me. Don't ignore all the horrible things done in the name of religion and don't overlook the fact that everything you use in the 21st century and the reason you can have a greater quality of life is because of Science.

I'm done and for the record, I used to be a strong believer in God. I went into a dark depression and couldn't find any comfort or answers in religion, because there aren't any. I have been as good a person as any one person can be, and if God can't be there for me, then I don't need him.

I was not making fun of his views. see that is what you keep missing. I did not like his rudeness to anyone who thinks differently than he does. Hate all you want. That was your need to put your two cents in. You brought your own baggage here and took it out on me. And for the record I have never done anything to you. My only problem with Parfait is not what he believes, but that he crams it down my throat. Apparently your on a vindetta. I say I believe in God and your on the attack. Hate to break it to you. Others here believe too. I am just one who will say I won't deny it because your going to go at me. I have done no harm in the name of "religion". You have hurt me in the name of athiesm. And for the record athiests have done attrocities too. People who hurt others using religion as an excuse are hypocrites, not christians.

[Ligzig]

I was not making fun of his views. see that is what you keep missing. I did not like his rudeness to anyone who thinks differently than he does. Hate all you want. That was your need to put your two cents in. You brought your own baggage here and took it out on me. And for the record I have never done anything to you. My only problem with Parfait is not what he believes, but that he crams it down my throat.

The point that YOU keep missing, is that Parfait never even quoted you or directed a comment towards you until YOU quoted him. You started this debate and he provided facts, that's all that happened. Then you took offense.

[artist4perry]

I was not making fun of his views. see that is what you keep missing. I did not like his rudeness to anyone who thinks differently than he does. Hate all you want. That was your need to put your two cents in. You brought your own baggage here and took it out on me. And for the record I have never done anything to you. My only problem with Parfait is not what he believes, but that he crams it down my throat.

The point that YOU keep missing, is that Parfait never even quoted you or directed a comment towards you until YOU quoted him. You started this debate and he provided facts, that's all that happened. Then you took offense.

What debate? I said I hated his hatefulness. He called Lynn Teflon Lynn, he said hateful things about anyone believing in the paranormal, he said nasty things to Angel. This is my protest. Not his beliefs..........are you paying attention at all?

[Ligzig]

I was not making fun of his views. see that is what you keep missing. I did not like his rudeness to anyone who thinks differently than he does. Hate all you want. That was your need to put your two cents in. You brought your own baggage here and took it out on me. And for the record I have never done anything to you. My only problem with Parfait is not what he believes, but that he crams it down my throat.

The point that YOU keep missing, is that Parfait never even quoted you or directed a comment towards you until YOU quoted him. You started this debate and he provided facts, that's all that happened. Then you took offense.

What debate? I said I hated his hatefulness. He called Lynn Teflon Lynn, he said hateful things about anyone believing in the paranormal, he said nasty things to Angel. This is my protest. Not his beliefs..........are you paying attention at all?

No you didn't.

You said this:

You will learn in time Parfait, that as you age, your not as brilliant as you think you are. God has science to back it up, lots in fact. I just won't waste my breath to explain it to you. You see you think your a know it all. Thus your mind is closed and the wasting of my time is all it would amount to. When you discover that the older you get the less you truly know in the vast sceme of things, and that daily you learn how wrong you were about the day before, is the day you become wise. That is why they do not equate wisdom with younger people in general..............their arrogence their knowledge

How is that NOT an insult and a reason for debate?

Insulted his age: check
Insulted his intellect: check
Brought God up in your defense: check

I see the total opposite as you do. Nothing but arrogance and ignorance on your part. That bolded part right there is what sparked the debate. Try to pay attention.

I'm out, I need rest.

[artist4perry]

I was not making fun of his views. see that is what you keep missing. I did not like his rudeness to anyone who thinks differently than he does. Hate all you want. That was your need to put your two cents in. You brought your own baggage here and took it out on me. And for the record I have never done anything to you. My only problem with Parfait is not what he believes, but that he crams it down my throat.

The point that YOU keep missing, is that Parfait never even quoted you or directed a comment towards you until YOU quoted him. You started this debate and he provided facts, that's all that happened. Then you took offense.

What debate? I said I hated his hatefulness. He called Lynn Teflon Lynn, he said hateful things about anyone believing in the paranormal, he said nasty things to Angel. This is my protest. Not his beliefs..........are you paying attention at all?

No you didn't.

You said this:

You will learn in time Parfait, that as you age, your not as brilliant as you think you are. God has science to back it up, lots in fact. I just won't waste my breath to explain it to you. You see you think your a know it all. Thus your mind is closed and the wasting of my time is all it would amount to. When you discover that the older you get the less you truly know in the vast sceme of things, and that daily you learn how wrong you were about the day before, is the day you become wise. That is why they do not equate wisdom with younger people in general..............their arrogence their knowledge

How is that NOT an insult and a reason for debate?

Insulted his age: check
Insulted his intellect: check
Brought God up in your defense: check

I see the total opposite as you do. Nothing but arrogance and ignorance on your part. That bolded part right there is what sparked the debate. Try to pay attention.

I'm out, I need rest.

My problem was not with what he believes but his not allowing anyone else to have a different thought without insult. Yes I believe in God, but I don't expect him or anyone else to. You don't have to worry. I am not discussing this further. Your not understanding me though I have tried to explain over and over. Yes there is science to back up the theory of God. But you would run it down. Why should I bother? God was not brought up in my defense, just stating that there are scientist who have worked on the theory of Creation too. Not that I have to prove anything to him, or he has to prove anything to me. Just be civil.............that was all. Look, I just wish to be left alone by you. So do me that honor and stop harassing me.

[artist4perry]

You will learn in time Parfait, that as you age, your not as brilliant as you think you are. God has science to back it up, lots in fact. I just won't waste my breath to explain it to you. You see you think your a know it all. Thus your mind is closed and the wasting of my time is all it would amount to. When you discover that the older you get the less you truly know in the vast sceme of things, and that daily you learn how wrong you were about the day before, is the day you become wise. That is why they do not equate wisdom with younger people in general..............their arrogence their knowledge, and they lack respect for others. Not all mind you. But you seem to lack a great deal of respect for people here who are sharing their thoughts. I am glad they are. Just because your too closed minded and narrow in your thought, does not mean we all agree with you..............or will. Nor does it make you always right. That only exists in your brain. Psudo reality as they say. _________________


My full exact quote above: My problem as I have stated was not his beliefs, but his attitude, and treatments of others. Nice to leave that part out, though that was the drive of my statement. Not the existance or non existance of God, or Darwinism or any other theory. Just civility.

Also that no one knows it ALL. This is the guy who keeps saying he is going to go gaze in his mirror, also that he is superior because of his beliefs. Who is arrogent?

[Arianddu]

Read my post above..................Prince Drooling. I should have drawn you with your head up your butt. It would have been more realistic.


No offense Parfait, but who wants to read all that? It is just the oppinion of another Darwinian trying to oppress any thought but their own............sounds like someone else I know?

Me?

[artist4perry]

Read my post above..................Prince Drooling. I should have drawn you with your head up your butt. It would have been more realistic.


No offense Parfait, but who wants to read all that? It is just the oppinion of another Darwinian trying to oppress any thought but their own............sounds like someone else I know?

Me?

No. You allow people their individual thought.

[Arianddu]

Me?

No. You allow people their individual thought.

Nope, not any more. The new regime states that everyone shall agree with me and anyone who doesn't is going to be turned into fungus food.

Gentlemen, you will now don your headphones, turn on 'For The Love Of Strange Medicine' and repeat after me "Steve Perry is the Greatest Singer Ever, is Too Cute For Words, and Is Perfect In Every Way" - or present yourselves to the large mulcher for processing. Ladies, you of course already subscribe to this point of view. Don't you...

[parfait]

You will learn in time Parfait, that as you age, your not as brilliant as you think you are. God has science to back it up, lots in fact. I just won't waste my breath to explain it to you. You see you think your a know it all. Thus your mind is closed and the wasting of my time is all it would amount to. When you discover that the older you get the less you truly know in the vast sceme of things, and that daily you learn how wrong you were about the day before, is the day you become wise. That is why they do not equate wisdom with younger people in general..............their arrogence their knowledge, and they lack respect for others. Not all mind you. But you seem to lack a great deal of respect for people here who are sharing their thoughts. I am glad they are. Just because your too closed minded and narrow in your thought, does not mean we all agree with you..............or will. Nor does it make you always right. That only exists in your brain. Psudo reality as they say. _________________


My full exact quote above: My problem as I have stated was not his beliefs, but his attitude, and treatments of others. Nice to leave that part out, though that was the drive of my statement. Not the existance or non existance of God, or Darwinism or any other theory. Just civility.

Also that no one knows it ALL. This is the guy who keeps saying he is going to go gaze in his mirror, also that he is superior because of his beliefs. Who is arrogent?

Okay, let's look over this. First of all: I am in no way trying to persuade you to come over to the amoral, nazi (according to Stein) dark side. We've had this discussion before, and I've made several statements that you're free to believe whatever you want! Proof:

There's a difference in being open minded and having your brain fall out. Ghosts, witches, Gandalf and/or fairies does not exist. The people claiming to see ghosts, talk to your parents from the grave or whatever has been proven time and time again that they're a bunch of con artists. Give me a break!

I don't believe in any of the aforementioned, but I
do believe in angels. I believe that they are always here surrounding us, looking over us, protecting
us and comforting us in our darkest moments. I believe that when children are being abused and tortured,
angels wrap themselves around them and shield them from the pain until it's time to take them home
or they help to pull them through!!
I also believe that only the vunerable are able to see them ...there is nothing that can be said
here that will change this belief ...nothing!!! :wink:

I wouldn't want to, either.

Now, I replied to YOUNGJRNY pretty god damn civil; I even said he seemed like a smart dude. (Page 2) Which I answered from a medicinal (and a personal, as I hate how "psychics or whatever" trick people for their money) standpoint, concerning lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis.

Next, you said as already mentioned:

God has science to back it up, lots in fact. I just won't waste my breath to explain it to you.

Now, when I make the effort of showing my side of things (the scientific mean one), with boner hard evidence, you jump to the conclusion:

No offense Parfait, but who wants to read all that? It is just the oppinion of another Darwinian trying to oppress any thought but their own.

So, after calling me close minded, ignorant, narrow minded and so on, you wouldn't even read my god damn post? You continue to jump to another conclusion, that science is suppressing ID, which I also refuted, not with a personal opinion, but with another round of boner hard evidence.

You avoid answering my questions - I answer all of yours.

Well, fuck me running! I know you're gonna... No, hang on.

Well fuck me with a drum stick and call me Mrs. Cool - I'm psychic!

How many times to we have to do this? What'll happen now is that you're going to ignore my post completely, call me a slave or whatever to science and end it with some occam's razor-ish statement.

I might as well copy that stuff again. Seriously; it's like I got some sort of gift.

And yeah, I'm arrogant (I'd call it confidence) and self righteous most of the time, but this time was not one of them. I'm not a genius either. Far from it. You people should have seen some of the poor ass grades I got in language classes. But I got to say... Being this right feels real, real good.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm done and for the record, I used to be a strong believer in God. I went into a dark depression and couldn't find any comfort or answers in religion, because there aren't any. I have been as good a person as any one person can be, and if God can't be there for me, then I don't need him.

You seem like a fine young man, Lidzig. What was the answer ...if you don't mind?!?!
Sorry, the subject seems to have changed ...

[YoungJRNY]

Since this thread has severely derailed, I'm going to chime in and make my thoughts known and agree with Ligzig about the believer in God. My girlfriend is a hardcore Christian, and since I am going to probably be standing with her the rest of my life, I sucked up many of my own beliefs of religion (which isn't any) and go to her to church out of an act of respect for her beliefs and her family.

Let me just say that most of the time I find myself rolling my eyes over and over again and the way these people conduct themselves within the church is downright astonishing. (People falling down on the ground, people continuously shouting out and praying for no apparent reason, and giving irrelevant comparisons to why there is a God, like "God telling a pilot his horizon" or sorts like that.) I recently went on vacation with my gf, and every little piece of conversation, whether it be about the horizon or simply about what we were eating for breakfast, turned into a conversation on how God layed out his plan for us that day and broke down the significance of his existence as to how he gave us that pancake full of syrup in front of us. It became nauseating and smothering and they never felt for the life of them that such talk could be uncomfortable or OVERBEARING for those around.

(Funny thing is, before we all left, we gathered in a circle and was met with over exaggerating prayer of Jesus watching over us of being of safe travel. Wouldn't you know it we rear-ended someone in front of us in West Virginia and took up 4 hours of our travel time from our destination? Thanks for the prayers answered Jesus. I found that hysterical in a no so should be funny way.)

It's really disturbing and unnerving to be present since I am a believer in NO religion while my gf is a hardcore Christian. I seriously look at everyday life to something that could convince me that such a power exists in the everyday world and if the power of all mighty God where people act brainwashed into and severely give their lives to of the fear of the afterlife, then planet Earth doesn't impress me with everyday actions of his own creation.

It's also baffling to me that even know I respect in ones belief and will NEVER push it upon people to what is right and wrong, that most of her family members have sittin me down to the point of trying to get me started into being a Bible abuser. It will never work for me and have made up my own mind as to what is and what isn't. People always say those who aren't into a religion need to be prayed for but I look at is as the other way around into seeing a person of religion who gets offended and rude when someone doesn't believe a certain thing they believe. It's as backwards as it gets. It's alarming to me that such people of faith do NOT respect others personal feelings on a matter that divides.

[Ehwmatt]

Since this thread has severely derailed, I'm going to chime in and make my thoughts known and agree with Ligzig about the believer in God. My girlfriend is a hardcore Christian, and since I am going to probably be standing with her the rest of my life, I sucked up many of my own beliefs of religion (which isn't any) and go to her to church out of an act of respect for her beliefs and her family.

Let me just say that most of the time I find myself rolling my eyes over and over again and the way these people conduct themselves within the church is downright astonishing. (People falling down on the ground, people continuously shouting out and praying for no apparent reason, and giving irrelevant comparisons to why there is a God, like "God telling a pilot his horizon" or sorts like that.) I recently went on vacation with my gf, and every little piece of conversation, whether it be about the horizon or simply about what we were eating for breakfast, turned into a conversation on how God layed out his plan for us that day and broke down the significance of his existence as to how he gave us that pancake full of syrup in front of us. It became nauseating and smothering and they never felt for the life of them that such talk could be uncomfortable or OVERBEARING for those around.

It's really disturbing and unnerving to be present since I am a believer in NO religion while my gf is a hardcore Christian. I seriously look at everyday life to something that could convince me that such a power exists in the everyday world and if the power of all mighty God where people act brainwashed into and severely give their lives to of the fear of the afterlife, then planet Earth doesn't impress me with everyday actions of his own creation.

It's also baffling to me that even know I respect in ones belief and will NEVER push it upon people to what is right and wrong, that most of her family members have sittin me down to the point of trying to get me started into being a Bible abuser. It will never work for me and have made up my own mind as to what is and what isn't. People always say those who aren't into a religion need to be prayed for but I look at is as the other way around into seeing a person of religion who gets offended and rude when someone doesn't believe a certain thing they believe. It's as backwards as it gets. It's alarming to me that such people of faith do NOT respect others personal feelings on a matter that divides.

Damn man, that sucks.

[YoungJRNY]

Since this thread has severely derailed, I'm going to chime in and make my thoughts known and agree with Ligzig about the believer in God. My girlfriend is a hardcore Christian, and since I am going to probably be standing with her the rest of my life, I sucked up many of my own beliefs of religion (which isn't any) and go to her to church out of an act of respect for her beliefs and her family.

Let me just say that most of the time I find myself rolling my eyes over and over again and the way these people conduct themselves within the church is downright astonishing. (People falling down on the ground, people continuously shouting out and praying for no apparent reason, and giving irrelevant comparisons to why there is a God, like "God telling a pilot his horizon" or sorts like that.) I recently went on vacation with my gf, and every little piece of conversation, whether it be about the horizon or simply about what we were eating for breakfast, turned into a conversation on how God layed out his plan for us that day and broke down the significance of his existence as to how he gave us that pancake full of syrup in front of us. It became nauseating and smothering and they never felt for the life of them that such talk could be uncomfortable or OVERBEARING for those around.

It's really disturbing and unnerving to be present since I am a believer in NO religion while my gf is a hardcore Christian. I seriously look at everyday life to something that could convince me that such a power exists in the everyday world and if the power of all mighty God where people act brainwashed into and severely give their lives to of the fear of the afterlife, then planet Earth doesn't impress me with everyday actions of his own creation.

It's also baffling to me that even know I respect in ones belief and will NEVER push it upon people to what is right and wrong, that most of her family members have sittin me down to the point of trying to get me started into being a Bible abuser. It will never work for me and have made up my own mind as to what is and what isn't. People always say those who aren't into a religion need to be prayed for but I look at is as the other way around into seeing a person of religion who gets offended and rude when someone doesn't believe a certain thing they believe. It's as backwards as it gets. It's alarming to me that such people of faith do NOT respect others personal feelings on a matter that divides.

Damn man, that sucks.

You don't even know dude, I can't even take a piss without reading an exert of the fucking bible everywhere you turn. I def tolerate a lot with it.

[Sarah]

He can't prove his theory any more than I can prove God. But I am not trying to get him to prove Darwinism. But he expects proof of my theory. Theories are all any of us have. No theory of the origin of life has been proven. So the rest of you athiest can continue to hi five each other over your lack of proof. I would rather talk about the original thread, and leave you to your arrogence. Oh and you can laugh all you want, I don't see the need to make fun of your thoughts as you do mine.

Actually, you started all of this by talking down to Parfait because of his age and assuming that is the reason why he is too "ignorant" to believe in God because, obviously, there is "science to back it up. lots in fact" and you, being so much older, obviously know the hidden truth and meaning to life because of your maturity. Don't try and play the victim. Parfait posted his opinion about how he believes none of this exists and you attacked him with that little gem.

Well, you posted your little video and obviously wanted Parfait to watch it with an open mind, why can't you watch my videos with an open mind? You made your arguments and so Parfait, Don and myself posted our response and you continue avoiding the whole debate and pointing fingers.

I am in awe at this Ligzig fellow.

[parfait]

Since this thread has severely derailed, I'm going to chime in and make my thoughts known and agree with Ligzig about the believer in God. My girlfriend is a hardcore Christian, and since I am going to probably be standing with her the rest of my life, I sucked up many of my own beliefs of religion (which isn't any) and go to her to church out of an act of respect for her beliefs and her family.

Let me just say that most of the time I find myself rolling my eyes over and over again and the way these people conduct themselves within the church is downright astonishing. (People falling down on the ground, people continuously shouting out and praying for no apparent reason, and giving irrelevant comparisons to why there is a God, like "God telling a pilot his horizon" or sorts like that.) I recently went on vacation with my gf, and every little piece of conversation, whether it be about the horizon or simply about what we were eating for breakfast, turned into a conversation on how God layed out his plan for us that day and broke down the significance of his existence as to how he gave us that pancake full of syrup in front of us. It became nauseating and smothering and they never felt for the life of them that such talk could be uncomfortable or OVERBEARING for those around.

It's really disturbing and unnerving to be present since I am a believer in NO religion while my gf is a hardcore Christian. I seriously look at everyday life to something that could convince me that such a power exists in the everyday world and if the power of all mighty God where people act brainwashed into and severely give their lives to of the fear of the afterlife, then planet Earth doesn't impress me with everyday actions of his own creation.

It's also baffling to me that even know I respect in ones belief and will NEVER push it upon people to what is right and wrong, that most of her family members have sittin me down to the point of trying to get me started into being a Bible abuser. It will never work for me and have made up my own mind as to what is and what isn't. People always say those who aren't into a religion need to be prayed for but I look at is as the other way around into seeing a person of religion who gets offended and rude when someone doesn't believe a certain thing they believe. It's as backwards as it gets. It's alarming to me that such people of faith do NOT respect others personal feelings on a matter that divides.

Damn man, that sucks.

You don't even know dude, I can't even take a piss without reading an exert of the fucking bible everywhere you turn. I def tolerate a lot with it.

Why don't you dump her, dude?

[Michigan Girl]

I am in awe at this Ligzig fellow.

He reminds me of someone ...

[bluejeangirl76]

Since this thread has severely derailed,

I know... what the hell? I was digging the paranormal discussion.