FEDERAL JUDGE knocks down PRO 8 in CA...

[BobbyinTN]

However, I have a strong feeling that this will not be acceptable to Bobby or to most gays and lesbians. This idea has been brought up before and has really gone nowhere each time.

I understand that, but if the purpose for this is to have equal "rights" and that would do the trick, I'm not sure what objection there realistically should be. It would just be semantics. Unless it's objecting just for the sake of objecting, which IMO lots of liberals get a kick out of.

I would never object to just be "objecting".

I wish you ladies and gentlemen would think about this instead of knee-jerking a reaction.

Are you really comfortable with asking a group of people to be "secondary"?

I tell you what would be a great compromise. Get rid of the word completely and make everything a civil union. And honestly, if people really cared as much about marriage as they claim, there'd be laws forbidding divorce.

[BobbyinTN]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

[Behshad]

However, I have a strong feeling that this will not be acceptable to Bobby or to most gays and lesbians. This idea has been brought up before and has really gone nowhere each time.

I understand that, but if the purpose for this is to have equal "rights" and that would do the trick, I'm not sure what objection there realistically should be. It would just be semantics. Unless it's objecting just for the sake of objecting, which IMO lots of liberals get a kick out of.

I would never object to just be "objecting".

I wish you ladies and gentlemen would think about this instead of knee-jerking a reaction.

Are you really comfortable with asking a group of people to be "secondary"?

I tell you what would be a great compromise. Get rid of the word completely and make everything a civil union. And honestly, if people really cared as much about marriage as they claim, there'd be laws forbidding divorce.

So with your crappy logic (again) , they should give homosexuals the rights to get married only and only if they sign that they never get a divorce ,?!

[Behshad]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

Let me correct that for you.

" nobody should vote for my rights unless they're voting to my likings and for my best "


Even if you were straight , you'd still be a hateful selfish bastard , finding something else to bitch about. That's the truth.

[BobbyinTN]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

Let me correct that for you.

" nobody should vote for my rights unless they're voting to my likings and for my best "


Even if you were straight , you'd still be a hateful selfish bastard , finding something else to bitch about. That's the truth.

Fuck you and your judgmental opinions.

[Babyblue]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

I understand that and i feel the same way myself. But i don't believe we have any here Bobby. See you are all up in the hate thing & no body likes me .I am sure you are a good guy.But not everyone feels the way you do hon.I believe we all have a right to vote.If you don't like things go vote like the rest of us.

[Behshad]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

Let me correct that for you.

" nobody should vote for my rights unless they're voting to my likings and for my best "


Even if you were straight , you'd still be a hateful selfish bastard , finding something else to bitch about. That's the truth.

Fuck you and your judgmental opinions.

You bring your opinions to the table with that much hatred , you're just making yourself look like an ass. You're the Mel Gibson of MR. Mel Gaybson , Sorry

Once again, it's not your homosexuality that I'm judgmental about. It's your anger , hatred and hypocrisy

I'm grateful that you're gay cause this way , a wife is saved from a wifebeater.

[BobbyinTN]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

Let me correct that for you.

" nobody should vote for my rights unless they're voting to my likings and for my best "


Even if you were straight , you'd still be a hateful selfish bastard , finding something else to bitch about. That's the truth.

Fuck you and your judgmental opinions.

You bring your opinions to the table with that much hatred , you're just making yourself look like an ass. You're the Mel Gibson of MR. Mel Gaybson , Sorry

Once again, it's not your homosexuality that I'm judgmental about. It's your anger , hatred and hypocrisy

I'm grateful that you're gay cause this way , a wife is saved from a wifebeater.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Anger is called for in some cases and your opinion of me doesn't matter. All that matters is equality. And if I were anything like Mel Gibson, you'd already be missing teeth.




I'm finished with you.

[Rockindeano]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[Behshad]

You were finished with me the last time , buddy.

Cheer up. Go sit on a carrot. Just don't let that rage shorten your previous life , sweetheart.

[BobbyinTN]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

I understand that and i feel the same way myself. But i don't believe we have any here Bobby. See you are all up in the hate thing & no body likes me .I am sure you are a good guy.But not everyone feels the way you do hon.I believe we all have a right to vote.If you don't like things go vote like the rest of us.

Babyblue, no one has the right to vote on another person's life or their rights. And please don't tell me you haven't seen the things that people say about homosexuals on these forums.


Look over just about any post at any time and you'll see hateful words about homosexuals, no matter what the subject is.

[BobbyinTN]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thanks Deano, and you're exactly correct.

[Babyblue]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

I understand that and i feel the same way myself. But i don't believe we have any here Bobby. See you are all up in the hate thing & no body likes me .I am sure you are a good guy.But not everyone feels the way you do hon.I believe we all have a right to vote.If you don't like things go vote like the rest of us.

Babyblue, no one has the right to vote on another person's life or their rights. And please don't tell me you haven't seen the things that people say about homosexuals on these forums.


Look over just about any post at any time and you'll see hateful words about homosexuals, no matter what the subject is.

Well we all have the right to vote & the way we feel.I have seen it in here before.See this is why i i do not go into threads like this.Just to much hate.I guess that is why Jason is no longer here.I believe we all have rights to be who we want to be.

[Behshad]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

No one is stopping him from pursuing his happiness. But you can't make everyone happy either.
So what if a child molester wants to get the law passed that they shouldn't press charges against them ?!
Afterall , he is only pursuing his happiness.


Bobby can do all he wants with his boyfriend. Hell , he can even put a dress on and I'll walk him down the isle and give him away.
He needs to get rid of that hate built inside.

Remember Bobby , temper is one thing you can't get rid of by losing it . After all, aren't you supposed to be "happy"

[RossValoryRocks]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

AGREED! But it is the Declaration of Independence that says life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...just saying...

[slucero]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

AGREED! But it is the Declaration of Independence that says life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...just saying...

The Declaration has been codified into the US Code.. so its law...

[conversationpc]

Regardless of if we agree or disagree on this issue...If one of us on the other side had reacted in the same manner had the case turned out a different way, some of you folks on the other side would be accusing us of the same thing and you'd be exactly right.

Imagine if I said something like "Get used to it, fuckers" or something like that. You'd be all over me.

[BobbyinTN]

Regardless of if we agree or disagree on this issue...If one of us on the other side had reacted in the same manner had the case turned out a different way, some of you folks on the other side would be accusing us of the same thing and you'd be exactly right.

Imagine if I said something like "Get used to it, fuckers" or something like that. You'd be all over me.

Yes, it is petty and I agree, but it's done alot more from the conservative side than I've ever seen it done on our side.

GOD, why is it we even have to have "sides"? Why can't we all agree that no one should be discriminated against of voted into being second class citizens?

If "conservatives" really thought about it and acted the way they used to, they'd be happy that people are being treated equally and fairly, but the republican party has hijacked not only "conservatives" but Christianity too. There are such things as conservative democrats and I myself have many conservative ideals, or what are considered "conservative". I actually can see both sides EXCEPT when it comes to social conservatism, and those people are usually the fucked up freaks who think Jesus should lead America and everyone else should step aside or convert. They are one step away from becoming exactly what the Taliban is and that's sad and scary.

I used to chat on a local forum here in Tennessee full of republicans and every chance they got they rubed W in the face of the few liberals that were on that forum and when the temps outside turned chilly, they chided about global warming. When Prop 8 was introduced, it was even worse than anything I said on this forum. I do believe the republican party is the party of nene nene poo poo and the only real conservatives are libertarians. The rest are just minions of Rush Limpbrain and Glenn Clueless Beck.

[kgdjpubs]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

AGREED! But it is the Declaration of Independence that says life, liberty and pursuit of happiness...just saying...

The Declaration has been codified into the US Code.. so its law...

'tis true, but there is a difference between persuit and achieving...and that goes for EVERYBODY. You're using an invalid point to argue with. However, let's not quarrel over semantics any more than is necessary. The point is made.

[donnaplease]

Any state that forbids gay marriage will not honor our relationship or any legal documents we have drawn up giving each other the right to either pull the plug, visitation or inheritance, etc.

Do you think that's okay?

No, it's not ok, because it's not true (the bolded part at least). It's called a MPOA, or medical power of attorney and it can stand alone or be part of other advance directives such as a living will. You can designate ANYONE that you want to make that decision on your behalf. In fact, if you want your significant other to make that decision (God forbid it ever be necessary), I encourage you to get it in writing NOW. If not, that decision will fall to your next of kin. I have never worked in TN, but I have been a nurse in Virginia, Connecticut and California, and in each of those states a MPOA is the way to go. It could potentially be challenged by a family member, but that's the case in any situation, not just because you're gay.

I said this on facebook, and I'll repeat it here. There are lots of reasons given for opposing gay marriage. Some of it is sheer bigotry, and some of it is religious beliefs. I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

Bobby, would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Sorry Donna, with all due respect, you’re wrong. About 4 years ago a lesbian couple we know had this very thing happen. One of them died, they had everything made legal years before, they were together for 30 years, and because it “resembled heterosexual marriage” it was declared unlawful and the surviving partner was tossed out of her home and only allowed to take what she could prove she purchased. The dead partner’s family came in and took everything else and sold the house.

Any state that has a law against gay marriage can refuse any legal arrangement that resembles heterosexual marriage. Look it up, every state that has the bigoted laws has the provisions listed.

My partner and I have all the legal stuff done too, but it wouldn’t matter if his or my family challenged it or the state said it “resembled marriage”.

And no, I do not agree. Separate can never be equal.

Again, a “civl union” that is performed in a state that says “nothing but one man, one woman” would mean nothing.

All states must abide by the law and nothing but marriage will be accepted.


I don’t think anyone should be made a second class citizen or be told how to live their lives.

Bobby, my post was about medical care, and decisions regarding that. You mentioned 'pulling the plug', so I assumed you weren't talking about the coffee pot...

I realize that the laws as they stand may not honor a homosexual couples arrangements, but if we got some type of compromise enacted, then it would be legal to have that type of relationship with the benefits that you mention. As for now, the "all or nothing" approach isn't working - society just isn't there yet.

p.s. Sorry about your friend. Her partner's family was obviously a bunch of jerks.

[donnaplease]

Two bullshit posts in a row Behshad.

As for you donna, get over the religious bullshit about the sanctity of marriage and having it not be called marriage if applied to gays. It is a marriage, a union, whatever. They are equal citizens, got that? What is so hard for you to understand? What are you brain dead myopic religious right freaks so scared of anyway? Two men want to marry, let them marry. How in the Hell does that affect the woven fabric of America? It doesn't tarnish it's values, it enhances them. The right won't be satisfied until they turn this place into a fucking church.

Bobby harbors no hate here. The guy just wants to have equal rights and protections afforded to him under the law of the land, the US Constitution, not the Bible. If you read the 1st amendment, you will see Bobby and other gay and lesbians have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Dean, you need to get over yourself. I'm fed up with your bullshit, and I'm NOT in a mood to be talked to this way. Make up your fucking mind already - you're supposed to praise in public and criticize in private, NOT the other way around. Don't tell me how much you respect my religious (and political) views where no one else can read them, then come here and blast me for them.

[conversationpc]

Regardless of if we agree or disagree on this issue...If one of us on the other side had reacted in the same manner had the case turned out a different way, some of you folks on the other side would be accusing us of the same thing and you'd be exactly right.

Imagine if I said something like "Get used to it, fuckers" or something like that. You'd be all over me.

Yes, it is petty and I agree, but it's done alot more from the conservative side than I've ever seen it done on our side.

GOD, why is it we even have to have "sides"? Why can't we all agree that no one should be discriminated against of voted into being second class citizens?

If "conservatives" really thought about it and acted the way they used to, they'd be happy that people are being treated equally and fairly, but the republican party has hijacked not only "conservatives" but Christianity too. There are such things as conservative democrats and I myself have many conservative ideals, or what are considered "conservative". I actually can see both sides EXCEPT when it comes to social conservatism, and those people are usually the fucked up freaks who think Jesus should lead America and everyone else should step aside or convert. They are one step away from becoming exactly what the Taliban is and that's sad and scary.

I used to chat on a local forum here in Tennessee full of republicans and every chance they got they rubed W in the face of the few liberals that were on that forum and when the temps outside turned chilly, they chided about global warming. When Prop 8 was introduced, it was even worse than anything I said on this forum. I do believe the republican party is the party of nene nene poo poo and the only real conservatives are libertarians. The rest are just minions of Rush Limpbrain and Glenn Clueless Beck.

This would have meant something if you hadn't included that last sentence. It makes you no better than the conservatives you just spent most of your post dumping on.

[S2M]

I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Yes. Seems like a perfect compromise to me.

I agree with Saint John Bobby, i do not feel any hate from anyone here hon.But i do feel it from you.I am sorry and i am sure its not easy for you either.And for hate i don't think anyone hates you here.I know i don't i am sure you are a good & kind man. But you need to get rid of the hate hon.And i know you will come back with something.Stand your ground but without all the hate hon.

The only people I "hate" are bigots. Nobody has to like me, but nobody should be allowed to vote on my rights.

Let me correct that for you.

" nobody should vote for my rights unless they're voting to my likings and for my best "


Even if you were straight , you'd still be a hateful selfish bastard , finding something else to bitch about. That's the truth.

Fuck you and your judgmental opinions.

You bring your opinions to the table with that much hatred , you're just making yourself look like an ass. You're the Mel Gibson of MR. Mel Gaybson , Sorry

Once again, it's not your homosexuality that I'm judgmental about. It's your anger , hatred and hypocrisy

I'm grateful that you're gay cause this way , a wife is saved from a wifebeater.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Anger is called for in some cases and your opinion of me doesn't matter. All that matters is equality. And if I were anything like Mel Gibson, you'd already be missing teeth.


I'm finished with you.

Quit bragging about your dick size....it can't be THAT big....

[BobbyinTN]

Any state that forbids gay marriage will not honor our relationship or any legal documents we have drawn up giving each other the right to either pull the plug, visitation or inheritance, etc.

Do you think that's okay?

No, it's not ok, because it's not true (the bolded part at least). It's called a MPOA, or medical power of attorney and it can stand alone or be part of other advance directives such as a living will. You can designate ANYONE that you want to make that decision on your behalf. In fact, if you want your significant other to make that decision (God forbid it ever be necessary), I encourage you to get it in writing NOW. If not, that decision will fall to your next of kin. I have never worked in TN, but I have been a nurse in Virginia, Connecticut and California, and in each of those states a MPOA is the way to go. It could potentially be challenged by a family member, but that's the case in any situation, not just because you're gay.

I said this on facebook, and I'll repeat it here. There are lots of reasons given for opposing gay marriage. Some of it is sheer bigotry, and some of it is religious beliefs. I would like to see a compromise, whereby homosexuals are given 'separate but equal' rights (don't like that term for historical reasons, but it serves the purpose here), just call it something other than 'marriage'. It would accomplish what most gays would like legally, but it would preserve the sanctity of marriage for those that have strong personal and/or religious beliefs in that regard.

Bobby, would that be acceptable to you? Would you be satisfied with a 'civil union' if it would grant you the things you asked for above?

Sorry Donna, with all due respect, you’re wrong. About 4 years ago a lesbian couple we know had this very thing happen. One of them died, they had everything made legal years before, they were together for 30 years, and because it “resembled heterosexual marriage” it was declared unlawful and the surviving partner was tossed out of her home and only allowed to take what she could prove she purchased. The dead partner’s family came in and took everything else and sold the house.

Any state that has a law against gay marriage can refuse any legal arrangement that resembles heterosexual marriage. Look it up, every state that has the bigoted laws has the provisions listed.

My partner and I have all the legal stuff done too, but it wouldn’t matter if his or my family challenged it or the state said it “resembled marriage”.

And no, I do not agree. Separate can never be equal.

Again, a “civl union” that is performed in a state that says “nothing but one man, one woman” would mean nothing.

All states must abide by the law and nothing but marriage will be accepted.


I don’t think anyone should be made a second class citizen or be told how to live their lives.

Bobby, my post was about medical care, and decisions regarding that. You mentioned 'pulling the plug', so I assumed you weren't talking about the coffee pot...

I realize that the laws as they stand may not honor a homosexual couples arrangements, but if we got some type of compromise enacted, then it would be legal to have that type of relationship with the benefits that you mention. As for now, the "all or nothing" approach isn't working - society just isn't there yet.

p.s. Sorry about your friend. Her partner's family was obviously a bunch of jerks.

Yes they were jerks and thank you.


I don't think society is ever ready for such sweeping change, just like women's rights and the rights of African Americans, but those happened anyway. Sometimes America just has to take their medicine and shut up. People instinctively fear the unknown, but that's no reason to stay put and never explore. What America is ready for is what America was founded on, the right for every natural born citizen to be treated equally and fairly under the law and government. Nothing but equal will work because in the eyes of everyone unless you're treated equally, you're somehow inferior.





Let's stop making excuses for Americans and tell them to grow the fuck up already.

[BobbyinTN]

Regardless of if we agree or disagree on this issue...If one of us on the other side had reacted in the same manner had the case turned out a different way, some of you folks on the other side would be accusing us of the same thing and you'd be exactly right.

Imagine if I said something like "Get used to it, fuckers" or something like that. You'd be all over me.

Yes, it is petty and I agree, but it's done alot more from the conservative side than I've ever seen it done on our side.

GOD, why is it we even have to have "sides"? Why can't we all agree that no one should be discriminated against of voted into being second class citizens?

If "conservatives" really thought about it and acted the way they used to, they'd be happy that people are being treated equally and fairly, but the republican party has hijacked not only "conservatives" but Christianity too. There are such things as conservative democrats and I myself have many conservative ideals, or what are considered "conservative". I actually can see both sides EXCEPT when it comes to social conservatism, and those people are usually the fucked up freaks who think Jesus should lead America and everyone else should step aside or convert. They are one step away from becoming exactly what the Taliban is and that's sad and scary.

I used to chat on a local forum here in Tennessee full of republicans and every chance they got they rubed W in the face of the few liberals that were on that forum and when the temps outside turned chilly, they chided about global warming. When Prop 8 was introduced, it was even worse than anything I said on this forum. I do believe the republican party is the party of nene nene poo poo and the only real conservatives are libertarians. The rest are just minions of Rush Limpbrain and Glenn Clueless Beck.

This would have meant something if you hadn't included that last sentence. It makes you no better than the conservatives you just spent most of your post dumping on.

But that last sentence is fact. So many people wait for people like Rush and Glenn to tell them how to react and what do to that is just isn't funny anymore. THey take those guys seriously and those guys are milking it for what's it's worth. I wish I wasn't right about that.

[conversationpc]

Regardless of if we agree or disagree on this issue...If one of us on the other side had reacted in the same manner had the case turned out a different way, some of you folks on the other side would be accusing us of the same thing and you'd be exactly right.

Imagine if I said something like "Get used to it, fuckers" or something like that. You'd be all over me.

Yes, it is petty and I agree, but it's done alot more from the conservative side than I've ever seen it done on our side.

GOD, why is it we even have to have "sides"? Why can't we all agree that no one should be discriminated against of voted into being second class citizens?

If "conservatives" really thought about it and acted the way they used to, they'd be happy that people are being treated equally and fairly, but the republican party has hijacked not only "conservatives" but Christianity too. There are such things as conservative democrats and I myself have many conservative ideals, or what are considered "conservative". I actually can see both sides EXCEPT when it comes to social conservatism, and those people are usually the fucked up freaks who think Jesus should lead America and everyone else should step aside or convert. They are one step away from becoming exactly what the Taliban is and that's sad and scary.

I used to chat on a local forum here in Tennessee full of republicans and every chance they got they rubed W in the face of the few liberals that were on that forum and when the temps outside turned chilly, they chided about global warming. When Prop 8 was introduced, it was even worse than anything I said on this forum. I do believe the republican party is the party of nene nene poo poo and the only real conservatives are libertarians. The rest are just minions of Rush Limpbrain and Glenn Clueless Beck.

This would have meant something if you hadn't included that last sentence. It makes you no better than the conservatives you just spent most of your post dumping on.

But that last sentence is fact. So many people wait for people like Rush and Glenn to tell them how to react and what do to that is just isn't funny anymore. THey take those guys seriously and those guys are milking it for what's it's worth. I wish I wasn't right about that.

Bullcrap...I'm not a fan of Limbaugh and never listen to his show but I do listen to Beck. I don't agree with him all the time and certainly don't wait for him to tell me how to react. That's pure garbage and you're not right about it. Beck rarely even talks about this particular issue and I haven't even heard him mention it on his show over the last few days (haven't seen last night's TV show yet). Regardless, even if he does end up discussing it on his show, I'm pretty sure my views do not mirror his. I can actually do my own thinking, you know.

[bluejeangirl76]

Bullcrap...I'm not a fan of Limbaugh and never listen to his show but I do listen to Beck.

I do too, not by choice... my boss runs talk radio all day in the office... In fact, it's on now. LOL

Some other show on the same channel was hot on this issue yesterday... and my boss and I do NOT see eye to eye on it (she's conservative, I'm not), so one of us will make a comment, then we start debating... this has been going on for two days.

[conversationpc]

Bullcrap...I'm not a fan of Limbaugh and never listen to his show but I do listen to Beck.

I do too, not by choice... my boss runs talk radio all day in the office... In fact, it's on now. LOL

Some other show on the same channel was hot on this issue yesterday... and my boss and I do NOT see eye to eye on it (she's conservative, I'm not), so one of us will make a comment, then we start debating... this has been going on for two days.

Sounds like fun to me...I love to debate. I know, I know...That's a huge shock, right?

[bluejeangirl76]

Bullcrap...I'm not a fan of Limbaugh and never listen to his show but I do listen to Beck.

I do too, not by choice... my boss runs talk radio all day in the office... In fact, it's on now. LOL

Some other show on the same channel was hot on this issue yesterday... and my boss and I do NOT see eye to eye on it (she's conservative, I'm not), so one of us will make a comment, then we start debating... this has been going on for two days.

Sounds like fun to me...I love to debate. I know, I know...That's a huge shock, right?

The worst part of debating with my boss on this issue is that she doesn't think gay marriage should be legal or recognized, but when she argues it, she makes all the points FOR it. *facepalm*

[BobbyinTN]

Regardless of if we agree or disagree on this issue...If one of us on the other side had reacted in the same manner had the case turned out a different way, some of you folks on the other side would be accusing us of the same thing and you'd be exactly right.

Imagine if I said something like "Get used to it, fuckers" or something like that. You'd be all over me.

Yes, it is petty and I agree, but it's done alot more from the conservative side than I've ever seen it done on our side.

GOD, why is it we even have to have "sides"? Why can't we all agree that no one should be discriminated against of voted into being second class citizens?

If "conservatives" really thought about it and acted the way they used to, they'd be happy that people are being treated equally and fairly, but the republican party has hijacked not only "conservatives" but Christianity too. There are such things as conservative democrats and I myself have many conservative ideals, or what are considered "conservative". I actually can see both sides EXCEPT when it comes to social conservatism, and those people are usually the fucked up freaks who think Jesus should lead America and everyone else should step aside or convert. They are one step away from becoming exactly what the Taliban is and that's sad and scary.

I used to chat on a local forum here in Tennessee full of republicans and every chance they got they rubed W in the face of the few liberals that were on that forum and when the temps outside turned chilly, they chided about global warming. When Prop 8 was introduced, it was even worse than anything I said on this forum. I do believe the republican party is the party of nene nene poo poo and the only real conservatives are libertarians. The rest are just minions of Rush Limpbrain and Glenn Clueless Beck.

This would have meant something if you hadn't included that last sentence. It makes you no better than the conservatives you just spent most of your post dumping on.

But that last sentence is fact. So many people wait for people like Rush and Glenn to tell them how to react and what do to that is just isn't funny anymore. THey take those guys seriously and those guys are milking it for what's it's worth. I wish I wasn't right about that.

Bullcrap...I'm not a fan of Limbaugh and never listen to his show but I do listen to Beck. I don't agree with him all the time and certainly don't wait for him to tell me how to react. That's pure garbage and you're not right about it. Beck rarely even talks about this particular issue and I haven't even heard him mention it on his show over the last few days (haven't seen last night's TV show yet). Regardless, even if he does end up discussing it on his show, I'm pretty sure my views do not mirror his. I can actually do my own thinking, you know.

Yes, you can, you've proven that time and again here, but the more simple minds that listen to him can't discern his satire from truth and believe everything he says.