Popping Live in Manila in for a second try...

[kgdjpubs]

I think the Revelation songs sounded fine, with the exception of TDTWT which was the most anticipated performance by a lot of Journey fans. Unfortunately, it didn't come off very well in the live setting. Oh Well.

That might be one of those songs that just doesn't come off live as well as it does in the studio. Some songs are that way. Might be a choice for an acoustic show should Journey ever perform one of those.

[portland]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

I already told you I am "toast".....

[kgdjpubs]

Majestic into NWA seems to be the starter number but I could see them swapping it out with Separate Ways every other night to open the shows up with.

It seems to be popular at the moment. One advantage of SW is that it is a knockout punch on the audience that works really well and really jacks them up for the rest of the show....whereas Never Walk Away, being slightly more unknown, leaves the audience a bit confused.

Personally, I kinda enjoyed Message of Love opening the Arrival tour, even though it was a bit more unknown. Can't speak for other nights, but it went over very well when I saw them with a very wild Journey-loving crowd (which you don't get every night).

There is no bigger supporter of playing new music at a show than me (for any band), however, an opener should be an upbeat recognizable number. SW works, and AWYWI works. Message of Love was absolutely the biggest clunker I've ever seen.

maybe it was the crowd then. They were very wild that night--and if manifested itself in the band's performance. They went crazy for Edge of the Blade also.

[Ehwmatt]

Over the past couple of years we performed Never Walk Away sporadically, as it kind of was a speed bump in an otherwise drum-tight set...Now that we don't play it, there's always a couple of people who request it, so we're basically reworking BGTY into a BGTY/NWA medley at the end of the night, going into the first verse and chorus of NWA after the drum break in the middle 8 of BGTY. Hopefully that will satisfy those that want to hear it. Hope to have the whole new set finished and up onstage by the end of the month.

I think Journey would be well served to do the same kind of re-working/medley with a <i>couple</i> of their greatest hits & deep cuts for their tour next year.

I hope you are going to share your involvement with the "real" NWA then. I really think that's a hell of a story that most in the average Frontiers crowd don't know.

[Ehwmatt]

Once the songs go into these extended outros beyond their original length, that's where the trouble starts and Pineda's roots as a cover singer really start to show. Anything beyond the original recording where he has to adlib is just terrible. He starts howling off key and in the wrong places, nothing is in sync and it's almost like someone is in his ear monitor telling him to sing something and he jumps into it without waiting for the right moment, making you wonder if he is getting the same live feed as the rest of the band. I've seen this in the other shows like Download, Graspop, etc. The guy is decent through the song as long as it remains like the record, as soon as it goes outside that box, dude becomes moon cat. Simply unacceptable.

want to give a specific example of that? I'll be the first to admit that he does a bunch of adlibs.....but so did Perry to a much greater extent. Neither of them are the type of singer who will sing the same thing the exact same way twice. The off-key part, I haven't heard though.

AWYWI is the worse. I understand they are going to to adlib on occasion and Perry, (even JSS) always let it fit seamlessly into the performance. Arnel on the other hand, seems to just start and stop at the wrong times and it makes me wonder if he hears as well as he should. As I said on the outros he seems to come in at the wrong time and I have to think is he trying to be different or is he lost audio wise at that point as the song is no longer fitting the script from the recorded version. At certain points he seems to be yelling out, not even singing, like he feels he should do something at that point of the song winding down but he just doesn't know what exactly he is supposed to do, maybe a "What would Steve Perry do?" moment.

Watch a boot of the Chile show and you will hear, despite his diction issues and some other quirks, he is in his comfort zone as the songs are pretty much played note for note like the originals.

I'm nitpicking for sure but that's my mini-review and I'm sure other people will enjoy it regardless. I didn't even mention the audio issues as we already have heard about them. Even The company that did the 4HD or what ever it is called said the Wal-Mart release is nothing like what they recorded audio/video wise.

I can live with a guy not hitting the high notes or his voice cracking. I've got DVDs with Glenn Shorrock, Steven Tyler, Justin Hayward, etc. and I understand that they are not going to sound like they used to. That's not the issue I have here.

Just remember my theory from a week or two ago Don. Exact problems I have. His adlibbing is HORRENDOUS. Augeri owned him in this regard when he was actually singing, lol.

[Since 78]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

I already told you I am "toast".....

I wish I could post actual laughter.

[Michigan Girl]

I've never seen it so I cannot give a fair review. I have, however, seen AP fronting this band and
I'll say the couple of times I've seen him, he does a pretty good job ...live is the only way I will ever
hear him sing, though, unless this new music is outrageously grand!!

[Since 78]

I've never seen it so I cannot give a fair review. I have, however, seen AP fronting this band and
I'll say the couple of times I've seen him, he does a pretty good job ...live is the only way I will ever
hear him sing, though, unless this new music is outrageously grand!!

How will you know then???

[Michigan Girl]

I've never seen it so I cannot give a fair review. I have, however, seen AP fronting this band and
I'll say the couple of times I've seen him, he does a pretty good job ...live is the only way I will ever
hear him sing, though, unless this new music is outrageously grand!!

How will you know then???

You'll tell me ...won't you?!?

[Since 78]

I've never seen it so I cannot give a fair review. I have, however, seen AP fronting this band and
I'll say the couple of times I've seen him, he does a pretty good job ...live is the only way I will ever
hear him sing, though, unless this new music is outrageously grand!!

How will you know then???

You'll tell me ...won't you?!?

Ah! But of course!

[portland]

I've never seen it so I cannot give a fair review. I have, however, seen AP fronting this band and
I'll say the couple of times I've seen him, he does a pretty good job ...live is the only way I will ever
hear him sing, though, unless this new music is outrageously grand!!

How will you know then???

You'll tell me ...won't you?!?

Ah! But of course!

No doubt in my mind!!!

[Tomulator]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

Sammy Hagar is not a quitter!

[portland]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

Sammy Hagar is not a quitter!

Perfect....tag team...that is much better!

[Don]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

Sammy Hagar is not a quitter!

OH SNAP!

[Since 78]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

Sammy Hagar is not a quitter!

OH SNAP!

That doesn't even make sense?

[Don]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

Sammy Hagar is not a quitter!

OH SNAP!

That doesn't even make sense?

No, it doesn't but since this is the only thread with life here in Journey land we must make do, mustn't we?

[Since 78]

I found myself skipping all the way to the end so I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this "bastardization" of a legendary band's music.

Just sayin...

Well put!

Typical, do you people err and felines have anything original to say?

Do you????

Nice comeback portland, we can start up this conversation again if you like. Just don't be a quitter when the going gets tough, like a certain singer we all know and love.

Sammy Hagar is not a quitter!

OH SNAP!

That doesn't even make sense?

No, it doesn't but since this is the only thread with life here in Journey land we must make do, mustn't we?

You have a point.

OK, you got me kitty!

[Don]

Not available at this time from Wal-Mart's online selection. Time for the Blu-ray edition?

[G.I.Jim]

Not available at this time from Wal-Mart's online selection. Time for the Blu-ray edition?

I don't think it'll ever happen.

[steveo777]

Not available at this time from Wal-Mart's online selection. Time for the Blu-ray edition?

I don't think it'll ever happen.

I'm with you. This has run it's course. I do know where one copy is, however. I wonder if I should buy it just in case..........

[Saint John]

Live in Manila is just that ... live. There was literally nothing done to this DVD. It's either an attempt at releasing a remarkably live recorded show, or budget constraints and indifference. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It's just a hame that with a set list that good that they couldn't have gone all out and released it in the new technology. Maybe they will, but I suspect the window has closed for that to happen. Unless, of course, it comes as part of their new 3 disc package along with their new CD and movie for roughly $19.

[JeremyP]

There is no bigger supporter of playing new music at a show than me (for any band), however, an opener should be an upbeat recognizable number. SW works, and AWYWI works. Message of Love was absolutely the biggest clunker I've ever seen.

Duuuuude, "Message Of Love" ROCKED at the Arrival show I saw. I got a Japanese bootleg from ebay of the first show of the tour just so I could hear them do it again.

[Eric]

There is no bigger supporter of playing new music at a show than me (for any band), however, an opener should be an upbeat recognizable number. SW works, and AWYWI works. Message of Love was absolutely the biggest clunker I've ever seen.

Duuuuude, "Message Of Love" ROCKED at the Arrival show I saw. I got a Japanese bootleg from ebay of the first show of the tour just so I could hear them do it again.

Whether it sounded good isn't the issue....it just didn't go over well with the crowd. With new music from Arrival, I'm not sure why they played it at all, much less opened with it. Thats why they dropped it 1/4 of the way through and switched to Any Way You Want it.....

[JeremyP]

Whether it sounded good isn't the issue....it just didn't go over well with the crowd. With new music from Arrival, I'm not sure why they played it at all, much less opened with it. Thats why they dropped it 1/4 of the way through and switched to Any Way You Want it.....

I have a bootleg from later in the tour where they switched to "AWYWI"...didn't flow as well. That song needs to be a "late in the set" song. Also, if memory serves, they did some sort of poll on the journeymusic website regarding what songs the fans would like to see played live and MOL got the top spot, according to an interview with Neal I read a few years ago.

I think the opener needs to be huge and epic which MOL is. Didn't matter where they put new stuff in the set, people still made beelines for the bathroom during "Kiss Me Softly" which greatly pissed me off.

However, as a fan I'd much rather see them play a few deep cuts like MOL (a relative deep cut) as well as new stuff rather than pandering to the casual dirty dozen listener.