Jessica Simpson met with 'Idol' to be considered as judge.

[StevePerryHair]

What the woman made magazines says about + size models being more beautiful or whatever; is generally false. A woman's body should look well trained and curvy - looks aesthetically better than being chubby. And not to mention the fact that most women needs to hang up their panties to dry as soon as they see a decent six pack, but starts to bitch and cry when men "objectify" women. It's good that staying in shape is starting to become a trend. Give me a fucking break; you doesn't have to take drugs or whatever to stay in shape and having a great body. The only thing you'll need is some dedication and willpower.

Models by the way stays so thin (and I'm not denying that some go too far) because the clothes look better on them than on a chunky, burrito eating lady.

Monica says hi.

First of all I don't have a problem with women being objectified. Where did I ever mention that? Beauty has always been something that has been appreciated for centuries.

My point is, did you SEE what was considered a plus sized model??? A girl can wear a size 8 and be a PLUS size model. THAT is my problem with what you are saying. And actually, Matthew set me off on this tangent by asking the question if she was still "chubby"!! Like that would be a reason it would work, only if she looks hot. AND she was HARDLY chubby! Chubby to me is fat rolls, or some kind of flabby thing going on. Those pics that people went nuts over were a horrible wardrobe choice on a girl who gained maybe 10 lbs. She lost a lot of weight for the Dukes of Hazard movie, and that was probably her thinnest Ive seen her. Many women would have to work hard to an extreme to get that thin. And she is one of them obviously. Her "chubby" weight is still THIN. If SHE is chubby in those jeans, then I am morbidly obese! And the JEANS are what is ugly in that pic! And her shirt!!! Where is the support for her naturally HUGE boobs?? That was the worse wardrobe choice I have EVER seen!!!

And read what I posted above. My panties have NEVER gotten wet over seeing a six pack. I don't like the steroid look in a guy. I never have. What I find attractive has nothing to do with muscles or anything. Personality, humor, eyes, smiles, laughs... those are the things that matter to me. When I see a pic of a male model, I really don't feel anything. I am picky about what i find attractive in hollywood too. I usually like the guy who is just mildly atheletic looking, not the big huge guy who looks like he could get in a boxing ring. If he has a cute face and a great smile, that is usally a turn on for me. In real life, none of those things even matter to me. In real life it's the other things I mentioned above. It takes a lot of things combined for a person to be hot to me. But I know men are wired differently

And to be a grown woman, and be a size 0, you most certainly can NOT attain that by being fit and eating right and being normal. Unless you have an extremely high metabolism or you are tall, there is just no way. There has to be extremes to get there. Im sure MANY models are using drugs, over exercising (yes, there is such a thing), anorexia and bolemia to keep that look. And the pics we see in magazines are SO doctored it's not even funny. You have a really warped view of the world and reality. Your world sounds very plastic to me. Believe what you want about americans, but Id rather live in this real world than some plastic fake world with such unrealistic expectations

So uh... Chubby people aren't really chubby? It's the society's fault, right? Sistah puh-lease.

Yack all you want about me living in a plastic world or whatever, just because I prefer a woman with a fit body. Working out and looking good, living a healthy lifestyle, isn't something one should be ashamed of or branded as a air headed roid monkey with no real taste for food. I mean, that's all bullshit. My world (guess we don't live in the same one) isn't warped - I see things as it. Being just slightly overweight can cost the health care industry billions of dollars, as the risks for heart diseases and etc rises exponentially with the aforementioned higher weight.

Being well trained, with a low fat percentage, looks better, feels better and performs better. Simple stuff!

Listen carefully.... SHE WAS NOT CHUBBY!! She was heavier than people were used to seeing her, looking even heavier in crappy jeans, but she was NOT CHUBBY! That is not chubby. If you think that is chubby, then you are warped, sorry. There is a difference between being rail thin, thin, and chubby and she definitely is in the THIN category in those pics where people called her fat and chubby. RIDICULOUS.

[StevePerryHair]

Hmmm... weird timing... my neighbor JUST posted this as her FB status. It IS sad and Parfait, you are just a perpetuator:

****** is sad about how we are raising our kids. Bailey has a friend over today to play. When asked if she wanted to help us make the Dragon Fly Princess Wand snacks, said-friend informed us she is "too stressed to cook" which she then followed up with "besides, I'm thin and I want to stay that way...so no snack for me." I've never heard sadder words spoken by a six-year-old. WTF people?????

[Rhiannon]

Points of reference with a general height of 5'8-5'9.

Size 00 (unhealthy)





Size 2 (normal "model")




Size 10 (plus sized model)




Now take a Guess!




^^Both are a size 12.



Hah. BOOBS NOT BONES! Love it!

[bluejeangirl76]

Well, based on those standards and the sizes of my clothes, if I were good enough to be a model, I'd be in the plus size category too.

[Melissa]

Wow, a size 10 is now considered "plus size"? That's pathetic. The 10 and 12 up there look way better than those skeletal boney 0 ( ) and 2. But hey apparently men love to be with women who have bodies like 10 year old boys now? With nothing that even looks feminine, like HIPS and THIGHS and a nice ASS I guess it's more sexy now to have a torso shaped like a rectangle and sticks for arms and legs? Sorry, but I'll keep my curves and size 10 jeans and keep looking like... a WOMAN

[StevePerryHair]

Wow, a size 10 is now considered "plus size"? That's pathetic. The 10 and 12 up there look way better than those skeletal boney 0 ( ) and 2. But hey apparently men love to be with women who have bodies like 10 year old boys now? With nothing that even looks feminine, like HIPS and THIGHS and a nice ASS I guess it's more sexy now to have a torso shaped like a rectangle and sticks for arms and legs? Sorry, but I'll keep my curves and size 10 jeans and keep looking like... a WOMAN

Size 8 is now plus sized if you look at that article I linked...ridiculous standards!!!

[Rhiannon]

Wow, a size 10 is now considered "plus size"? That's pathetic. The 10 and 12 up there look way better than those skeletal boney 0 ( ) and 2. But hey apparently men love to be with women who have bodies like 10 year old boys now? With nothing that even looks feminine, like HIPS and THIGHS and a nice ASS I guess it's more sexy now to have a torso shaped like a rectangle and sticks for arms and legs? Sorry, but I'll keep my curves and size 10 jeans and keep looking like... a WOMAN

That's actually not true, various studies and surveys have been done on the topic and men prefer in an overwhelming majority a size 10 woman. The surveys are usually conducted by having men pick the most attractive women out of a selected lot of photographs not knowing what size the women are. Size 8-12 wins each one. I hate to say it, but for the most part, it's women who propagate this "size 2" stereotype. Not all women, but the advertisers and designers make us think that's what beautiful is. And they make the clothes not fit right on a regular woman. So instead of thinking it's a bad cut, we think we're fat.

Vicious cycle repeats. Educating our daughters and nieces and friends and mothers is the way back to appreciating classic beauty.

[Rhiannon]

Size 8 is now plus sized if you look at that article I linked...ridiculous standards!!!

Size 4 is plus sized in the professional high-fashion modeling world today. No, I wish I were kidding.

[StevePerryHair]

Wow, a size 10 is now considered "plus size"? That's pathetic. The 10 and 12 up there look way better than those skeletal boney 0 ( ) and 2. But hey apparently men love to be with women who have bodies like 10 year old boys now? With nothing that even looks feminine, like HIPS and THIGHS and a nice ASS I guess it's more sexy now to have a torso shaped like a rectangle and sticks for arms and legs? Sorry, but I'll keep my curves and size 10 jeans and keep looking like... a WOMAN

That's actually not true, various studies and surveys have been done on the topic and men prefer in an overwhelming majority a size 10 woman. The surveys are usually conducted by having men pick the most attractive women out of a selected lot of photographs not knowing what size the women are. Size 8-12 wins each one. I hate to say it, but for the most part, it's women who propagate this "size 2" stereotype. Not all women, but the advertisers and designers make us think that's what beautiful is. And they make the clothes not fit right on a regular woman. So instead of thinking it's a bad cut, we think we're fat.

Vicious cycle repeats. Educating our daughters and nieces and friends and mothers is the way back to appreciating classic beauty.

exactly Rhi!! Though SOME men perpetuate it too....But I responded to my neighbors FB post. I told her we as moms need to be REALLY careful with what we say in front if our daughters. I am guilty too. I have caught myself. Like saying, not even thinking, while trying something on in the mirror that I feel so fat, or that it makes me look fat. And she responded "mom, you aren't fat" and it really woke me up! I am extremely careful now what I project about my own body image.

[DrFU]

That's actually not true, various studies and surveys have been done on the topic and men prefer in an overwhelming majority a size 10 woman. The surveys are usually conducted by having men pick the most attractive women out of a selected lot of photographs not knowing what size the women are. Size 8-12 wins each one. I hate to say it, but for the most part, it's women who propagate this "size 2" stereotype. Not all women, but the advertisers and designers make us think that's what beautiful is. And they make the clothes not fit right on a regular woman. So instead of thinking it's a bad cut, we think we're fat.

Vicious cycle repeats. Educating our daughters and nieces and friends and mothers is the way back to appreciating classic beauty.

This is a whole research field in media and gender studies. Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery:

"The Official Body

The ideal female body has changed numerous times throughout the 20th century and now, in its current form, consists of a young, fresh face, free of wrinkles; hairless, smooth skin (tan year round in the West, porcelain white in the East), with rail-thin arms and legs, a narrow waist, tiny firm buttocks – topped off with big, gravity-defying breasts.

Advertising and mass media – television, film, newspapers, magazines, the web – propagate this very image of an “Official Body” that does not really exist in nature, but is achievable only through cosmetic surgery – or airbrushing."

More here: http://www.beautifullifeproject.com/Bea ... _Face.html

[Melissa]

Wow, a size 10 is now considered "plus size"? That's pathetic. The 10 and 12 up there look way better than those skeletal boney 0 ( ) and 2. But hey apparently men love to be with women who have bodies like 10 year old boys now? With nothing that even looks feminine, like HIPS and THIGHS and a nice ASS I guess it's more sexy now to have a torso shaped like a rectangle and sticks for arms and legs? Sorry, but I'll keep my curves and size 10 jeans and keep looking like... a WOMAN

That's actually not true, various studies and surveys have been done on the topic and men prefer in an overwhelming majority a size 10 woman. The surveys are usually conducted by having men pick the most attractive women out of a selected lot of photographs not knowing what size the women are. Size 8-12 wins each one. I hate to say it, but for the most part, it's women who propagate this "size 2" stereotype. Not all women, but the advertisers and designers make us think that's what beautiful is. And they make the clothes not fit right on a regular woman. So instead of thinking it's a bad cut, we think we're fat.

Vicious cycle repeats. Educating our daughters and nieces and friends and mothers is the way back to appreciating classic beauty.

Well I was asking just based on what I see these days, not stating it as fact. Just seems that way. And that is so true about clothing cuts and sizes now, anything made for a "regular" sized woman (not obese and not super skinny) is still considered "fat" now. It's pathetic and sad, and yes other women do make it worse.

[bluejeangirl76]

Size 8 is now plus sized if you look at that article I linked...ridiculous standards!!!

Size 4 is plus sized in the professional high-fashion modeling world today. No, I wish I were kidding.

if that were true in the real world, I would be considered a HIPPO.

[Rhiannon]

exactly Rhi!! Though SOME men perpetuate it too....But I responded to my neighbors FB post. I told her we as moms need to be REALLY careful with what we say in front if our daughters. I am guilty too. I have caught myself. Like saying, not even thinking, while trying something on in the mirror that I feel so fat, or that it makes me look fat. And she responded "mom, you aren't fat" and it really woke me up! I am extremely careful now what I project about my own body image.

That's awesome! I grew up with a body dysmorphic mother who made me very hypercritical of myself. I hit adolescence earlier than the other girls (3rd-5th grade) so I always always thought I was a fat dumpy kid because I had these boobs and this ass and none of the other girls did. It took me another 15 years to get out of that thinking and realize I wasn't fat. I have *been* fat, thanks to the rollercoaster of emotions a teen/early 20-something girl who isn't a size 2 in this day deals with. I'm most comfortable at a 6-8. I look and feel my best there.

I know by the time I have daughters, if this keeps up, it's going to be much worse. I hope someone can foster your neighbor's daughter with a decent body image role-model and teach her nutrition instead of the typical over-indulgent/guilt/deprivation routine most women operate in.

[Melissa]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

[Ehwmatt]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

[Rhiannon]

This is a whole research field in media and gender studies. Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery:

"The Official Body

The ideal female body has changed numerous times throughout the 20th century and now, in its current form, consists of a young, fresh face, free of wrinkles; hairless, smooth skin (tan year round in the West, porcelain white in the East), with rail-thin arms and legs, a narrow waist, tiny firm buttocks – topped off with big, gravity-defying breasts.

Advertising and mass media – television, film, newspapers, magazines, the web – propagate this very image of an “Official Body” that does not really exist in nature, but is achievable only through cosmetic surgery – or airbrushing."

More here: http://www.beautifullifeproject.com/Bea ... _Face.html

This should be printed up on flyers and handed out to every woman everywhere. It's the truth. I guess if you look at time as a pendulum, we had the overfat women of the Baroque being "in" (although I think I read somewhere most of the women in the paintings would be size 14-16 today) and now we've swung to the other extreme.

[bluejeangirl76]

I hit adolescence earlier than the other girls (3rd-5th grade) so I always always thought I was a fat dumpy kid because I had these boobs and this ass and none of the other girls did.

I didn't have any of those things til I was almost out of high school yet from age 11-18, I still thought I was "fat". Going to an all-girls school, and constantly comparing yourself to all the others, seeing the boys go for them and not you... it was terrible. That's probably why I still sometime don't feel "good enough".

[StevePerryHair]

exactly Rhi!! Though SOME men perpetuate it too....But I responded to my neighbors FB post. I told her we as moms need to be REALLY careful with what we say in front if our daughters. I am guilty too. I have caught myself. Like saying, not even thinking, while trying something on in the mirror that I feel so fat, or that it makes me look fat. And she responded "mom, you aren't fat" and it really woke me up! I am extremely careful now what I project about my own body image.

That's awesome! I grew up with a body dysmorphic mother who made me very hypercritical of myself. I hit adolescence earlier than the other girls (3rd-5th grade) so I always always thought I was a fat dumpy kid because I had these boobs and this ass and none of the other girls did. It took me another 15 years to get out of that thinking and realize I wasn't fat. I have *been* fat, thanks to the rollercoaster of emotions a teen/early 20-something girl who isn't a size 2 in this day deals with. I'm most comfortable at a 6-8. I look and feel my best there.

I know by the time I have daughters, if this keeps up, it's going to be much worse. I hope someone can foster your neighbor's daughter with a decent body image role-model and teach her nutrition instead of the typical over-indulgent/guilt/deprivation routine most women operate in.

It's tough when you start to develop early! My daughter is has gone up about 3 bra sizes in a short time, and girls in her class are starting to say things to her. Like "how weird it is for someone of her weight to have such big boobs" and things like that. So the girl is thin, but now has to worry about her boob size. And her thighs don't touch, though she's not boney, they just don't touch because she IS thin. So one of her friends informed her that she has "chicken legs" that don't touch and boys don't like that You can't win, thin or heavy in this world!! And women, starting at the age of GIRLS are our worst critics! Men don't help, but women are just as guilty. We are responsible for our daughters self images and it does start at home with ourselves.

That FB post by my neighbor was about a 6 year old friend her daughter has over to play with today, not my neighbors daughter. But she agreed with me that it's good advice. That little girl HAD to hear the need to stay thin at home. Where else would a 6 year old get that.

[Melissa]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

It's scary because teenage girls and even LITTLE girls way younger than teens are thinking this way now. I see it at work and it's sad, and yes, scary.

[Rhiannon]

I hit adolescence earlier than the other girls (3rd-5th grade) so I always always thought I was a fat dumpy kid because I had these boobs and this ass and none of the other girls did.

I didn't have any of those things til I was almost out of high school yet from age 11-18, I still thought I was "fat". Going to an all-girls school, and constantly comparing yourself to all the others, seeing the boys go for them and not you... it was terrible. That's probably why I still sometime don't feel "good enough".

That's what I mean about education though. Talk it out, look it up, figure out why you feel like that so you can deal with it and move on. Because, and I'm not just saying this, you're totally good enough. Too good if you ask me.

[StevePerryHair]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

I don't think it's THAT small anymore Matthew. Not with the stories I have my 14 year old coming home with. I don't remember pressure like this at her age. She had to buy size 5 super skinny jeans, because they run smaller than her normal size 3's. She didn't like that idea. She's 14 and she WILL be larger than a size 5 eventually. I worry about how she will handle that. Young girls are awful to each other. You have no idea. You are a guy.

[Ehwmatt]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

I don't think it's THAT small anymore Matthew. Not with the stories I have my 14 year old coming home with. I don't remember pressure like this at her age. She had to buy size 5 super skinny jeans, because they run smaller than her normal size 3's. She didn't like that idea. She's 14 and she WILL be larger than a size 5 eventually. I worry about how she will handle that. Young girls are awful to each other. You have no idea. You are a guy.

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

[StevePerryHair]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

I don't think it's THAT small anymore Matthew. Not with the stories I have my 14 year old coming home with. I don't remember pressure like this at her age. She had to buy size 5 super skinny jeans, because they run smaller than her normal size 3's. She didn't like that idea. She's 14 and she WILL be larger than a size 5 eventually. I worry about how she will handle that. Young girls are awful to each other. You have no idea. You are a guy.

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

I don't know, but I bet the numbers are growing. They have to be if a 6 year old can freaking worry about eating a snack for her figure!! People need to wake up. I only worry about this because I have 2 daughters, one of which is AT puberty and dealing with her body image everyday and I see it and it scares me. People are so worried about having obese kids now, that I think it's sending the wrong signals. I don't know what the happy medium is. All I can do as a mom, which I DO, is stress healthy lifestyle. I tell her to eat healthy snacks, normal portions and she can do minimal excersize at her age and that is great for her. But not without enjoying all foods. It's about moderation. Teaching her the importance of food for normal growth. But that isnt' what she's being fed at school. She knows girls who just don't eat. Or they eat a cookie at lunch time. That kind of pressure scares me for her. I think she's smarter than to buy into that, but I don't know. Peer pressure is tough!! I know because I was a girl and I had not half the pressure she does these days.

[DrFU]

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

It's more complicated (and more insidious) than that. These warped, idealized social constructions of perfection set up camp in our heads and become the source of a steady drip-feed of negative evaluation of ourselves. It's not just young girls, and it's not just women; we are all marinated in the same soup and get the same bombardment of officially approved stereotypes daily from modern society.

I was walking down a street in New York not too long ago with 4 other women who were at a planning meeting with me for a major conference in my profession. We passed a store window with a slinky, slutty outfit in it, and one of the women said, "my thighs would split those pants wide open" or something along those lines. The other women immediately chimed in with versions of what would happen if they put the outfit on. I about fell into the street listening to this. These women ALL had Ph.D.s, all are at the top of their fields, and none of them are remotely overweight. Yet we all knew the drill and fell right into it.

[Ehwmatt]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

I don't think it's THAT small anymore Matthew. Not with the stories I have my 14 year old coming home with. I don't remember pressure like this at her age. She had to buy size 5 super skinny jeans, because they run smaller than her normal size 3's. She didn't like that idea. She's 14 and she WILL be larger than a size 5 eventually. I worry about how she will handle that. Young girls are awful to each other. You have no idea. You are a guy.

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

I don't know, but I bet the numbers are growing. They have to be if a 6 year old can freaking worry about eating a snack for her figure!! People need to wake up. I only worry about this because I have 2 daughters, one of which is AT puberty and dealing with her body image everyday and I see it and it scares me. People are so worried about having obese kids now, that I think it's sending the wrong signals. I don't know what the happy medium is. All I can do as a mom, which I DO, is stress healthy lifestyle. I tell her to eat healthy snacks, normal portions and she can do minimal excersize at her age and that is great for her. But not without enjoying all foods. It's about moderation. Teaching her the importance of food for normal growth. But that isnt' what she's being fed at school. She knows girls who just don't eat. Or they eat a cookie at lunch time. That kind of pressure scares me for her. I think she's smarter than to buy into that, but I don't know. Peer pressure is tough!! I know because I was a girl and I had not half the pressure she does these days.

It's just like anything else Lynn - keep your eyes peeled, tell her, tell her again, and make sure she listens. Unless she has a serious problem leading to true psychological anorexia etc, she'll be fine. Many young girls experiment with not eating or extreme dieting. My sister tried it last winter and passed out one day - she was also training really hard for her sport and barely eating stuff. She learned her lesson, we talked with her, referred her to our aunt, and shes been fine since then. Her friends had been dieting and she tried to do it too - only problem was, she is really active and they are your typical lazy teenager types.

[Ehwmatt]

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

It's more complicated (and more insidious) than that. These warped, idealized social constructions of perfection set up camp in our heads and become the source of a steady drip-feed of negative evaluation of ourselves. It's not just young girls, and it's not just women; we are all marinated in the same soup and get the same bombardment of officially approved stereotypes daily from modern society.

I was walking down a street in New York not too long ago with 4 other women who were at a planning meeting with me for a major conference in my profession. We passed a store window with a slinky, slutty outfit in it, and one of the women said, "my thighs would split those pants wide open" or something along those lines. The other women immediately chimed in with versions of what would happen if they put the outfit on. I about fell into the street listening to this. These women ALL had Ph.D.s, all are at the top of their fields, and none of them are remotely overweight. Yet we all knew the drill and fell right into it.

I've been around long enough to know women have been saying stuff like that since at least the early 90s. This isn't a recent media thing.

I'm 5'8"... guys are supposed to be really tall. That's the ideal, right? A lot of women even say so. Has it ever bothered me? Not a lick... well, besides wishing I coulda played basketball.

[Rhiannon]

My daughter is has gone up about 3 bra sizes in a short time, and girls in her class are starting to say things to her. Like "how weird it is for someone of her weight to have such big boobs" and things like that. So the girl is thin, but now has to worry about her boob size.

Yeah, I wore a training bra for about two weeks in 2nd grade. Then overnight I was wearing my mom's bras. And that makes a girl feel fat, when her shirts won't button. I know what your daughter is going through. Those girls teasing her are just taking out their frustration on her. Doesn't make it easier on her though.

And her thighs don't touch, though she's not boney, they just don't touch because she IS thin. So one of her friends informed her that she has "chicken legs" that don't touch and boys don't like that

Seriously?!?! Jeeze, in my day thigh touching was a cardinal sin. "Good friends are like fat thighs, they always keep in touch!"

That FB post by my neighbor was about a 6 year old friend her daughter has over to play with today, not my neighbors daughter. But she agreed with me that it's good advice. That little girl HAD to hear the need to stay thin at home. Where else would a 6 year old get that.

My step mom has done that w/ my half brother. Now, the kid is a little chunklet... video games, genetics, and tv. But he's going to hit his growth spurt (he's 8 ) and all that will even out. Instead of just teaching him healthy habits and whatever (like my Dad tries to counteract with), he's picked up her neurosis and won't eat dessert because it "will make him fat".

[StevePerryHair]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

I don't think it's THAT small anymore Matthew. Not with the stories I have my 14 year old coming home with. I don't remember pressure like this at her age. She had to buy size 5 super skinny jeans, because they run smaller than her normal size 3's. She didn't like that idea. She's 14 and she WILL be larger than a size 5 eventually. I worry about how she will handle that. Young girls are awful to each other. You have no idea. You are a guy.

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

I don't know, but I bet the numbers are growing. They have to be if a 6 year old can freaking worry about eating a snack for her figure!! People need to wake up. I only worry about this because I have 2 daughters, one of which is AT puberty and dealing with her body image everyday and I see it and it scares me. People are so worried about having obese kids now, that I think it's sending the wrong signals. I don't know what the happy medium is. All I can do as a mom, which I DO, is stress healthy lifestyle. I tell her to eat healthy snacks, normal portions and she can do minimal excersize at her age and that is great for her. But not without enjoying all foods. It's about moderation. Teaching her the importance of food for normal growth. But that isnt' what she's being fed at school. She knows girls who just don't eat. Or they eat a cookie at lunch time. That kind of pressure scares me for her. I think she's smarter than to buy into that, but I don't know. Peer pressure is tough!! I know because I was a girl and I had not half the pressure she does these days.

It's just like anything else Lynn - keep your eyes peeled, tell her, tell her again, and make sure she listens. Unless she has a serious problem leading to true psychological anorexia etc, she'll be fine. Many young girls experiment with not eating or extreme dieting. My sister tried it last winter and passed out one day - she was also training really hard for her sport and barely eating stuff. She learned her lesson, we talked with her, referred her to our aunt, and shes been fine since then. Her friends had been dieting and she tried to do it too - only problem was, she is really active and they are your typical lazy teenager types.

I just hate that it is something these girls live and breathe. Like there aren't more important things than if your thighs touch or not or if her noses is too big, or if her boobs are getting too big for her frame size. The focus seems way off to me. And maybe Im just forgetting. Maybe I had some of these things happen when I was younger too. But I guess Im just amazed at how aware they are of fashion and things fitting just right, wearing tight things, it's just so different to me. The 80's were great for size 8/10 girls like me!! We could wear baggy clothes

It's just tough now. It makes me sad to see that a 6 year old would say what she did. Because that is really young. And I do watch my daughter closely. And she does eat normal portions. But I guess what bugs me is that she doesn't seem free. Free to just eat because there's food. I swear, young girls see food differently. They always have it in the back of their mind. Their jean size. How that tight shirt will look. Sure, it may help obesity, but it could create new problems.

[Ehwmatt]

Scariest part to me is that the ideal body image has moved to the point that it is not actually possible to have without starvation AND surgery

Exactly.

Why the hell would it be scary? The fact of the matter is that only a small percentage of idiots think they can meet those standards in real life without drastic curtailment of the pleasures or even necessities of life.

I don't think it's THAT small anymore Matthew. Not with the stories I have my 14 year old coming home with. I don't remember pressure like this at her age. She had to buy size 5 super skinny jeans, because they run smaller than her normal size 3's. She didn't like that idea. She's 14 and she WILL be larger than a size 5 eventually. I worry about how she will handle that. Young girls are awful to each other. You have no idea. You are a guy.

I have plenty of idea, I have two sisters. I've heard and seen it all. Not to mention I went to an all guys school... so of course our natural girl crowd was the sister all girls school (ugh, fuck those bitches).

What is the end game here in this scorched earth scenario? 99% of teenage girls will be anorexic?

I don't know, but I bet the numbers are growing. They have to be if a 6 year old can freaking worry about eating a snack for her figure!! People need to wake up. I only worry about this because I have 2 daughters, one of which is AT puberty and dealing with her body image everyday and I see it and it scares me. People are so worried about having obese kids now, that I think it's sending the wrong signals. I don't know what the happy medium is. All I can do as a mom, which I DO, is stress healthy lifestyle. I tell her to eat healthy snacks, normal portions and she can do minimal excersize at her age and that is great for her. But not without enjoying all foods. It's about moderation. Teaching her the importance of food for normal growth. But that isnt' what she's being fed at school. She knows girls who just don't eat. Or they eat a cookie at lunch time. That kind of pressure scares me for her. I think she's smarter than to buy into that, but I don't know. Peer pressure is tough!! I know because I was a girl and I had not half the pressure she does these days.

It's just like anything else Lynn - keep your eyes peeled, tell her, tell her again, and make sure she listens. Unless she has a serious problem leading to true psychological anorexia etc, she'll be fine. Many young girls experiment with not eating or extreme dieting. My sister tried it last winter and passed out one day - she was also training really hard for her sport and barely eating stuff. She learned her lesson, we talked with her, referred her to our aunt, and shes been fine since then. Her friends had been dieting and she tried to do it too - only problem was, she is really active and they are your typical lazy teenager types.

I just hate that it is something these girls live and breathe. Like there aren't more important things than if your thighs touch or not or if her noses is too big, or if her boobs are getting too big for her frame size. The focus seems way off to me. And maybe Im just forgetting. Maybe I had some of these things happen when I was younger too. But I guess Im just amazed at how aware they are of fashion and things fitting just right, wearing tight things, it's just so different to me. The 80's were great for size 8/10 girls like me!! We could wear baggy clothes

It's just tough now. It makes me sad to see that a 6 year old would say what she did. Because that is really young. And I do watch my daughter closely. And she does eat normal portions. But I guess what bugs me is that she doesn't seem free. Free to just eat because there's food. I swear, young girls see food differently. They always have it in the back of their mind. Their jean size. How that tight shirt will look. Sure, it may help obesity, but it could create new problems.

Let's be honest here though Lynn - women tend to be more concerned with their appearance historically. Forget what the paradigm body type of the moment is. That's a fact, jack

We're not seeing anything different than we have in the past.

[StevePerryHair]

Let's be honest here though Lynn - women tend to be more concerned with their appearance historically. Forget what the paradigm body type of the moment is. That's a fact, jack

We're not seeing anything different than we have in the past.

Sure women have always been like that. I mean for centuries beauty HAS been something that women strive for or wish they could have when they see other beautiful women. But the fact is, the paradigm of the moment is that a size 4 or 7 is plus size. That did NOT exist when I was a teen. My friends didn't wear size 0's. I don't get what's happening, but something is changing for the worse. It IS different.