Should the Mosque at Ground Zero be allowed

[Rip Rokken]

Looks like a synchronized orgasm they are having.

[Saint John]

... or an Abu Ghraib photo.

[BobbyinTN]

Looks like a synchronized orgasm they are having.

That would take talent! LOL

[Monker]

Funny how it is tragic and wrong to build a cultural center near ground zero but it is humorous and appropriate to mock the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima.

[Monker]

so what? Athiests don't like what is being taught at private Christian schools either...Should ALL private schools be closed just because you don't like what is taught at SOME of t hem?

Mercy School opens new building in Oklahoma City

BY CARLA HINTON

Oklahoman

Published: August 22, 2010


Read more: http://newsok.com/mercy-school-opens-ne ... z0xMEZEpnn



At the start of each school day, Muslim students kneel on large colorful prayer rugs and recite verses from the Quran.

In addition to reading, writing and arithmetic, the young people learn Arabic, delve into Islamic studies and explore the holy book of their faith. Young girls wearing white hijabs talk animatedly in the hallways as they head to afternoon prayer.


It's all happening at the new $9 million Mercy School complex which opened earlier this month just northwest of the intersection of Memorial Road and Santa Fe Avenue in northwest Oklahoma City. The school complex at 14001 N Harvey is nestled among several small businesses and abuts the Glen Oaks neighborhood.

Vice Principal Kenza Lahmamsi, said student population at the private Islamic school increased dramatically this year from 153 to 247 because the new building allows the school to serve more students. The school, formerly at 3900 NW 39, offers studies for youths in prekindergarten through 10th grade.

"We were very limited on size. We had applicants, but we couldn't increase class size, so we put everyone on a waiting list," Lahmamsi said. "We are very happy to have this new building. Some of the closets here are as big as some of our classrooms at our former building."

The Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City broke ground on the multimillion dollar complex in 2005 amid much fanfare.

The 80,000-square-foot complex includes the recently opened school and a mosque. The completed school includes an expansive lobby area, administrative offices and three classroom wings housing prekindergarten and kindergarten students, middle school students and ninth- and 10th-graders. Lahmamsi said. She said the school will add 11th grade next year and 12th grade the next year.

Lahmamsi said construction crews have not completed the interior of the mosque and the large multipurpose area that will house the school's cafeteria and indoor recreation area.

She said a science lab and space for several additional classrooms is also in the works. Recently, crews were working on an outdoor basketball court, which Lahmamsi said may help the school retain its middle-school male students. She said an outdoor walking track is also planned.

The school's opening during the holy month of Ramadan made the new school year much more exciting for the students, parents and teachers, Lahmamsi said.

Lahmamsi, who converted to Islam about six years ago, said her preschool daughter is enrolled at the school. She said Muslim parents choose Mercy School for their children because it helps the young people maintain their Islamic identity.

"That's why we were founded," she said.

Lahmamsi said local public schools have been OK for Muslim students, but Mercy School allows them to show individual expressions of their faith. For instance, Muslims are required to pray five times a day. Since one of those prayer times falls during the school day, the youths join in prayer together daily in a multipurpose area at the complex.

Lahmamsi said the school also is accommodating to female students who wear hijabs. She said female students at the school are required to wear the traditional Muslim head scarf once they enter fifth grade. The school will soon build an 8-foot fence around an outdoor playground area so that young female students may play outdoors with other girls without wearing the headscarves. Hijabs are worn as a symbol of a woman's Islamic faith, and wearers typically refrain from wearing their hair uncovered around anyone other than other women or male family members.

[Monker]

The real Iwo Jima photo...and you guys are sick people to mock it:

[BobbyinTN]

Funny how it is tragic and wrong to build a cultural center near ground zero but it is humorous and appropriate to mock the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima.

Excellent point Monker.

[SteveForever]

no offense New Yorkers...but I am so thankful not to live there to have to put up with what goes on in that city.....
We have our own problems here in suburbia but nothing like what life in NY city must hold.....

[Rip Rokken]

That would take talent! LOL

I don't know, they might fit together as easily as a Lego set.

[Rip Rokken]

The real Iwo Jima photo...and you guys are sick people to mock it:

We weren't mocking anything! If you look again, it was Muslims in that other photo, not MR people, LOL.

[Monker]

There are Muslims in that photo because somebody decided to mock the statue of the raising of the flag at Iwo Jima by Photoshopping a pic of it...and you and others here thought it was funny.

I posted the original photo (which inspired the statue) to emphasize the point that these are very real American heroes that had their faces changed to Muslims and you laughed at. Good to know who in this forum feels they were involved in some type of gay orgy.

Obviously, it's not enough for people like FF to push people's buttons for political gain, but they also have to inspire you to laugh at real Americans heroes as well.

And, these are the people who try so hard to attach themselves to the flag and pretend to be so patriotic and more "American" then the other side. Shameful, IMO. It definitely shows their true colors...and they are NOT red, white and blue.



quote="Rip Rokken"]

The real Iwo Jima photo...and you guys are sick people to mock it:

We weren't mocking anything! If you look again, it was Muslims in that other photo, not MR people, LOL.[/quote]

[Saint John]

Here comes Monker wrapped in a patriotic flag that he normally wipes his zits with. Nobody was "mocking" Iwo Jima, but, rather, making the point that this is what the families view this bullshit mock being built as. And they've said as much. Now beat it, asshole.

[Rockindeano]

Easy Dan. I can't believe this has gone ten pages+. Of course it is legal to build the mosque at ground zero. Perhaps though, maybe the Muslims who want it, can maybe find another place, based on what happened here in 2001. That would go a long way in Christian/Muslim relations. Build your mosque, just maybe find another place where it won't be seen as so insensitive.

I love being on Percocets, pain or no.

[Monker]

Here comes Monker wrapped in a patriotic flag that he normally wipes his zits with. Nobody was "mocking" Iwo Jima, but, rather, making the point that this is what the families view this bullshit mock being built as. And they've said as much. Now beat it, asshole.

LOL. I don't expect anything better from you. You have proven over and over again that you enjoy being at the bottom of the barrel with no scruples whatsoever and generally don't give a damn what people think of you. And, I doubt the families of the victims of 9/11 would ever want people like you to speak for them and point out examples of how they feel.

[Saint John]

Senior Hamas official Mahmoud Al-Zahar said Sunday that Muslims "have to build" a mosque near ground zero.

"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York City and Americans.

While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy.

[Saint John]

Here comes Monker wrapped in a patriotic flag that he normally wipes his zits with. Nobody was "mocking" Iwo Jima, but, rather, making the point that this is what the families view this bullshit mock being built as. And they've said as much. Now beat it, asshole.

LOL. I don't expect anything better from you. You have proven over and over again that you enjoy being at the bottom of the barrel with no scruples whatsoever and generally don't give a damn what people think of you. And, I doubt the families of the victims of 9/11 would ever want people like you to speak for them and point out examples of how they feel.

Yeah, I have no scruples, but you want a mosque built to intesify still grieving familes. What's next ... an OJ Simpson museum next to the Goldman's and Brown's?

[Rockindeano]

Dan,

Obama is correct on this issue. Muslims DO have the same rights as others to worship as they see fit. Obama however, didn't come forth and say it should be built at Ground Zero though. You can't argue with the Constitution regarding the legality of this. Again though, if the Muslims wanted to rise above the fray for just once, they could simply say they realize the sensitivity of the issue and will build it elsewhere. That's the play to make.

[Saint John]

Dan,

Obama is correct on this issue. Muslims DO have the same rights as others to worship as they see fit. Obama however, didn't come forth and say it should be built at Ground Zero though. You can't argue with the Constitution regarding the legality of this. Again though, if the Muslims wanted to rise above the fray for just once, they could simply say they realize the sensitivity of the issue and will build it elsewhere. That's the play to make.

This where you have to separate "legally" correct and "humanly" correct. The mosque's construction is nothing more than a transparent attempt to build a trophy of Islamic victory on an already hurt city. And anyone that can't see that is just plain fucking stupid.

[Angel]

Dan,

Obama is correct on this issue. Muslims DO have the same rights as others to worship as they see fit. Obama however, didn't come forth and say it should be built at Ground Zero though. You can't argue with the Constitution regarding the legality of this. Again though, if the Muslims wanted to rise above the fray for just once, they could simply say they realize the sensitivity of the issue and will build it elsewhere. That's the play to make.

This where you have to separate "legally" correct and "humanly" correct. The mosque's construction is nothing more than a transparent attempt to build a trophy of Islamic victory on an already hurt city. And anyone that can't see that is just plain fucking stupid.

EXACTLY! The letter of the law vs the spirit of the law!

[steveo777]

Anyone who thinks this is OK that a Mosque should be built there has as fucked up DNA as the radical Muslims.

[Monker]

Dan,

Obama is correct on this issue. Muslims DO have the same rights as others to worship as they see fit. Obama however, didn't come forth and say it should be built at Ground Zero though. You can't argue with the Constitution regarding the legality of this. Again though, if the Muslims wanted to rise above the fray for just once, they could simply say they realize the sensitivity of the issue and will build it elsewhere. That's the play to make.

This where you have to separate "legally" correct and "humanly" correct. The mosque's construction is nothing more than a transparent attempt to build a trophy of Islamic victory on an already hurt city. And anyone that can't see that is just plain fucking stupid.

EXACTLY! The letter of the law vs the spirit of the law!

There is no difference. The spirit of of denying ANYBODY their liberties is not in the Bill of Rights. Allowing the cultural center follows both the 'letter' of the Bill of Rights, and the "spirit" of the Bill of Rights, which is to guarantee liberties to certain minorities, including religion.

Anyway you guys slice it, you are all acting like communists dictating where a person can practice their religion...and you are on the wrong side of liberty.

[BobbyinTN]

Dan,

Obama is correct on this issue. Muslims DO have the same rights as others to worship as they see fit. Obama however, didn't come forth and say it should be built at Ground Zero though. You can't argue with the Constitution regarding the legality of this. Again though, if the Muslims wanted to rise above the fray for just once, they could simply say they realize the sensitivity of the issue and will build it elsewhere. That's the play to make.

This where you have to separate "legally" correct and "humanly" correct. The mosque's construction is nothing more than a transparent attempt to build a trophy of Islamic victory on an already hurt city. And anyone that can't see that is just plain fucking stupid.

Really!? Things that make you go, hmm.

[Saint John]

There is no difference. The spirit of of denying ANYBODY their liberties is not in the Bill of Rights. Allowing the cultural center follows both the 'letter' of the Bill of Rights, and the "spirit" of the Bill of Rights, which is to guarantee liberties to certain minorities, including religion.

Anyway you guys slice it, you are all acting like communists dictating where a person can practice their religion...and you are on the wrong side of liberty.

Amazingly, somehow, you grow dumber by the fucking minute. Islam is not a religion. It's a radical ideology that demands world domination. There is a "convert or die" rally cry behind it and I wish to do neither, asshole. There are roughly 800 years of proof suggesting as much. How many suicide bombings, beheadings, honor killings, stonings and amputations do you need before you open up your fucking eyes and get your mouth off of the ACLU's rotten cock?

These media blowhards are able to dupe dumbfucks like you with civilian casualties because these maggots have no regard for human life and use women and children as human shields. There are no "moderate" muslims. The Q'ran is pretty specific about lying and killing in the interest of Islam, and that's exactly what these people are doing. What kind of "religion" attempts to erect a house of worship over a fucking mass grave site and against the overwhelming wishes of a grieving community and nation?! You're a fucking coward and a traitor as far as I'm concerned, and so is anyone else that supports this building for further terrorist funding.

[Rip Rokken]

There is no difference. The spirit of of denying ANYBODY their liberties is not in the Bill of Rights. Allowing the cultural center follows both the 'letter' of the Bill of Rights, and the "spirit" of the Bill of Rights, which is to guarantee liberties to certain minorities, including religion.

Anyway you guys slice it, you are all acting like communists dictating where a person can practice their religion...and you are on the wrong side of liberty.

Amazingly, somehow, you grow dumber by the fucking minute. Islam is not a religion. It's a radical ideology that demands world domination. There is a "convert or die" rally cry behind it and I wish to do neither, asshole. There are roughly 800 years of proof suggesting as much. How many suicide bombings, beheadings, honor killings, stonings and amputations do you need before you open up your fucking eyes and get your mouth off of the ACLU's rotten cock?

These media blowhards are able to dupe dumbfucks like you with civilian casualties because these maggots have no regard for human life and use women and children as human shields. There are no "moderate" muslims. The Q'ran is pretty specific about lying and killing in the interest of Islam, and that's exactly what these people are doing. What kind of "religion" attempts to erect a house of worship over a fucking mass grave site and against the overwhelming wishes of a grieving community and nation?! You're a fucking coward and a traitor as far as I'm concerned, and so is anyone else that supports this building for further terrorist funding.

It's time for those Americans who insist on taking the "moral high-ground" to wake up or shut up. Diplomacy and benevolence never work when you're dealing with fanatical psychopaths like Islamic fundamentalists who want to destroy your country. Containment seems to be more effective, and letting them build hate temples so close to Ground Zero isn't containing them. I'm glad I don't live in New York City right now, and if something stupid happens down there, I hope the people who let this happen get their asses kicked into tomorrow for it.

[steveo777]

I believe in freedom of religion, for the most part, but when it comes to Muslims, this country needs freedom FROM religion, or more appropriately, the teachings and practices of a bad cult. If I had my way, being Muslim would be grounds for denial of immigration.

[Rip Rokken]

I believe in freedom of religion, for the most part, but when it comes to Muslims, this country needs freedom FROM religion, or more appropriately, the teachings and practices of a bad cult. If I had my way, being Muslim would be grounds for denial of immigration.

There was a time when that would have worked, but that's what we get for letting the libs erode the common-sense thinking from our society. It would never fly now. They'd scream "racial profiling".

Don't get me wrong, I think we should have one big melting pot in America where such people would be welcome. But it should be the kinda melting pot they dropped the T-1000 in at the end of Terminator II.

[steveo777]

People need to ask themselves if a loving, caring God would have people to kill each other. I think not!

[BobbyinTN]

Make all religion in the U.S. illegal.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite if you allow one to exist and declare all others "false".

[Rip Rokken]

Make all religion in the U.S. illegal.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite if you allow one to exist and declare all others "false".

I'm feeling a Journey correlation here somewhere, LOL!

[artist4perry]

Make all religion in the U.S. illegal.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite if you allow one to exist and declare all others "false".

I see, I guess people like me should be thrown in jail. I am such a menace.

How about my 86 year old grandmother.........she is a hardened criminal too. You can arrest me Bobby, but you cannot remove my faith. You see it is imbedded in my heart!

I am bad to the bone! LOL!