How Did Schon Miss This Guy?

[Rockindeano]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

[steveo777]

He's ok, but he was out of key and pitchy in a couple places. Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material. He might be all that, then again, he might not be. My guess is also that AP was already found and hired before this guy hit the scene, or Schon already knows about him and he didn't turn his crank.
Just like pro tools can make anyone sound good, so can a few brews.

[Rockindeano]

And then check this out. Same guy doing BGTY. Doesn't sound right, because this guy's voice is better now (or different) than Perry's was for ROR. This is what BGTY would have sounded like in 1981.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGe3Hk3Z ... re=related

[perryswoman]

Wow!! Pretty good!

[Rockindeano]

He's ok, but he was out of key and pitchy in a couple places. Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material. He might be all that, then again, he might not be. My guess is also that AP was already found and hired before this guy hit the scene, or Schon already knows about him and he didn't turn his crank.
Just like pro tools can make anyone sound good, so can a few brews.

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?
2. Talking about being frontman? Pineda is a sorry assed frontman. Jumping up and down does not make him a good front man.
3. Every singer gets pitchy live, even Perry did it at a show I saw him at(Cow Palace in 1986).

[steveo777]

He's ok, but he was out of key and pitchy in a couple places. Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material. He might be all that, then again, he might not be. My guess is also that AP was already found and hired before this guy hit the scene, or Schon already knows about him and he didn't turn his crank.
Just like pro tools can make anyone sound good, so can a few brews.

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?
2. Talking about being frontman? Pineda is a sorry assed frontman. Jumping up and down does not make him a good front man.
3. Every singer gets pitchy live, even Perry did it at a show I saw him at(Cow Palace in 1986).

Never said he was.... I said pro tools or beers can make anyone sound good.

AP has a following now, especially over seas. And, a sorry assed frontman? Not quite, but I'm not gonna argue with the likes of you because the bias is so fucking thick nobody wins. You hate the band.

[Eric]

And then check this out. Same guy doing BGTY. Doesn't sound right, because this guy's voice is better now (or different) than Perry's was for ROR. This is what BGTY would have sounded like in 1981.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGe3Hk3Z ... re=related

Thinner and less soulful than Pineda....good point about BGTY actually not sounding ideal in '86 though.

[Rockindeano]

Hey, I found a revelation of sorts. Go see my post in the SP board.

[kgdjpubs]

He's ok, but he was out of key and pitchy in a couple places. Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material. He might be all that, then again, he might not be. My guess is also that AP was already found and hired before this guy hit the scene, or Schon already knows about him and he didn't turn his crank.
Just like pro tools can make anyone sound good, so can a few brews.

very "tribute band"-ish. Would be about #25 on the list of singers to call.

[Rockindeano]

He's ok, but he was out of key and pitchy in a couple places. Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material. He might be all that, then again, he might not be. My guess is also that AP was already found and hired before this guy hit the scene, or Schon already knows about him and he didn't turn his crank.
Just like pro tools can make anyone sound good, so can a few brews.

very "tribute band"-ish. Would be about #25 on the list of singers to call.

What the Hell do you call Jeremey and Pineda? They are/were both tributers.

[kgdjpubs]

He's ok, but he was out of key and pitchy in a couple places. Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material. He might be all that, then again, he might not be. My guess is also that AP was already found and hired before this guy hit the scene, or Schon already knows about him and he didn't turn his crank.
Just like pro tools can make anyone sound good, so can a few brews.

very "tribute band"-ish. Would be about #25 on the list of singers to call.

What the Hell do you call Jeremey and Pineda? They are/were both tributers.

99.8% of the singers started out in a cover or tribute band, and evolved to writing their own material eventually. I'm saying that in the bad sense of the word. Pitchy, thin voice, emotional content of a hovercraft, etc. Glad he enjoys it, but color me not impressed--at least with him singing Journey. It's slightly above the level of the Journey tribute cd released a while back, which had a bunch of people who had no business singing Journey covering them.

He might be like Hugo and sound good on solo stuff, and just not have the voice for Journey, but doesn't do a thing for me. Sorry.

[Eric]

2. Talking about being frontman? Pineda is a sorry assed frontman. Jumping up and down does not make him a good front man.

I disagree. He has good energy, engages the audience and makes pretty good eye contact.

Lacking a presence frontman is Survivor's new singer. Saw them tonight...brutal. His voice was good, but......

[kgdjpubs]

2. Talking about being frontman? Pineda is a sorry assed frontman. Jumping up and down does not make him a good front man.

I disagree. He has good energy, engages the audience and makes pretty good eye contact.

Lacking a presence frontman is Survivor's new singer. Saw them tonight...brutal. His voice was good, but......

lacking presence isn't a kiss of death if the voice is good. Roy Orbison had no stage presence whatsoever, but that voice was magical. On Survivor, neither Jamison nor Bickler were that great for stage presence, though Bickler had about as much stage presence as a mop. Guy could sing live though before he lost his voice.

what I can't figure out is who would put Robin McAuley in Survivor to begin with. Doesn't sound like Dave Bickler. Doesn't sound like Jimi Jamison. Seems to be the kiss of death for what was at one time a very good band.

btw...how long did they play? 60-70 minutes?

[Eric]

2. Talking about being frontman? Pineda is a sorry assed frontman. Jumping up and down does not make him a good front man.

I disagree. He has good energy, engages the audience and makes pretty good eye contact.

Lacking a presence frontman is Survivor's new singer. Saw them tonight...brutal. His voice was good, but......

lacking presence isn't a kiss of death if the voice is good. Roy Orbison had no stage presence whatsoever, but that voice was magical. On Survivor, neither Jamison nor Bickler were that great for stage presence, though Bickler had about as much stage presence as a mop. Guy could sing live though before he lost his voice.

what I can't figure out is who would put Robin McAuley in Survivor to begin with. Doesn't sound like Dave Bickler. Doesn't sound like Jimi Jamison. Seems to be the kiss of death for what was at one time a very good band.

btw...how long did they play? 60-70 minutes?

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo. No "Is this Love", "Moment of Truth", "First Night", "Broken Promises". I hate drum solos even if its the best drum solo by the best drummer. When you only play 11 songs, you gotta make better selections.

His voice was good, but not right....you nailed it.

I felt he was awkward...where JSS seems genuine this guy did not.

[kgdjpubs]

Lacking a presence frontman is Survivor's new singer. Saw them tonight...brutal. His voice was good, but......

lacking presence isn't a kiss of death if the voice is good. Roy Orbison had no stage presence whatsoever, but that voice was magical. On Survivor, neither Jamison nor Bickler were that great for stage presence, though Bickler had about as much stage presence as a mop. Guy could sing live though before he lost his voice.

what I can't figure out is who would put Robin McAuley in Survivor to begin with. Doesn't sound like Dave Bickler. Doesn't sound like Jimi Jamison. Seems to be the kiss of death for what was at one time a very good band.

btw...how long did they play? 60-70 minutes?

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo. No "Is this Love", "Moment of Truth", "First Night", "Broken Promises". I hate drum solos even if its the best drum solo by the best drummer. When you only play 11 songs, you gotta make better selections.

I don't think they have EVER played Moment of Truth live unless it was right around the time it was released. Never seen it on any setlist. I think it's the only song on the catalog that was not written by the band, which would explain why they don't play it. Not sure if JJ has played it either--it would be very rare if he did.

Is This Love is pretty typical for JJ to play solo, but pretty rare for Survivor when he was there. First Night occasionally got an airing once JJ rejoined in 2000. Surprised you didn't get Broken Promises, as that was a regular for a LONG time dating back to the reformation in '93 with Bickler. Maybe Frankie Sullivan got tired of it finally.

His voice was good, but not right....you nailed it.

I felt he was awkward...where JSS seems genuine this guy did not.

JSS was a bit outside of his comfort zone (at least initially), but he is good enough to not let vocal issues be a problem. Vocally, he was out there for a band built on the Perry sound, but within the limits of what would work. If it was 1987, JSS would be a very good choice to be different, yet close enough to cover the old stuff.

You'd never be able to prove it, but with McAuley and Sullivan working together before, I think he just called him up once JJ quit and that was that. Whether he SHOULD be in Survivor was never a question that was asked. Toby Hitchcock from Pride of Lions would be an obvious choice. I've heard Kevin Chalfant do Survivor stuff with Jim Peterik and he does very good--different, but within the realm of possibility. McAuley is just out there--not his fault, but his voice just doesn't fit "Survivor".

The whole issue between short set list, only playing 11 songs, and the singer situation is why I (being a MAJOR Survivor fan) wouldn't drive across town to see them now. It's sad really... I might be mildly interested if they ever release a new cd, but that looks unlikely also.

[G.I.Jim]

I'm with you on this one Deano! Here he is singing "Oh Sherrie", and it's the best live cover version I've ever heard! I think this guy kicks ASS as a tribute singer! Here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZg9dEbZ ... re=related

[Andrew]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

That's bloody impressive Deano.

Always amazes me just how many vocalists there are copying Perry's style. Amazing voice, but imitated so well by so many. Many other singers don't have any imitators. Guess that's Perry's huge influence.

[kgdjpubs]

I'm with you on this one Deano! Here he is singing "Oh Sherrie", and it's the best live cover version I've ever heard! I think this guy kicks ASS as a tribute singer! Here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZg9dEbZ ... re=related

sounds MUCH better at the lower range of that song. He does that one well.

[Andrew]

Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material.

Worked ok for Arnel.

[Andrew]

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo.

WTF? Just what fans come to see!

[kgdjpubs]

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo.

WTF? Just what fans come to see!

I wonder if the standard 10-minute guitar solo was part of that also... Give the crows 15 songs with a minimum of extra stuff unless you get 90min+. Survivor certainly has the catalog to do it.

[Andrew]

I'm with you on this one Deano! Here he is singing "Oh Sherrie", and it's the best live cover version I've ever heard! I think this guy kicks ASS as a tribute singer! Here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZg9dEbZ ... re=related

Pretty good... SW sounded the best. There really is only one Perry

[Andrew]

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo.

WTF? Just what fans come to see!

I wonder if the standard 10-minute guitar solo was part of that also... Give the crows 15 songs with a minimum of extra stuff unless you get 90min+. Survivor certainly has the catalog to do it.

I constantly get complaints about that...once the set was a 25 min solo and 7-8 songs

[kgdjpubs]

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo.

WTF? Just what fans come to see!

I wonder if the standard 10-minute guitar solo was part of that also... Give the crows 15 songs with a minimum of extra stuff unless you get 90min+. Survivor certainly has the catalog to do it.

I constantly get complaints about that...once the set was a 25 min solo and 7-8 songs

well, at least JJ and JP are talking and working together again. Now if someone could just drag Dave Bickler out of the woodwork once he finishes his album for some live performances. I'm surprised Frontiers hasn't got him to do anything yet--they seem to find everybody else. Wonder if he got his voice back--as he sounded pretty iffy (here-today-gone-later-today) in '99 when he left.

[steveo777]

Besides, a 5 minute video doesn't determine if a guy is front man material.

Worked ok for Arnel.

What I mean is you don't know someone's personality, stamina, character, etc., within 5 minutes. They got lucky with Arnel, but just because he could sing well was no guarantee of him being the right front man. I'm sure more went into that choice than listening to a few covers on YouTube, don't ya think?

[kmjrr]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

[maverick218]

Maybe it was the white tails- No Mo Tails

[Rocker Chic]

Well, hopefully he's next on the list, Dean!

Sounded great to me and I even understood the words!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Stumbled across this guy on YouTube a while back. He is damn good. Still looking for footage of the purported Vegas tribute singer that Schon was eyeing to replace SA.

[Ehwmatt]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.