How Did Schon Miss This Guy?

[kmjrr]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.

Calm down and read again. I personally don't think it's protooled, or processed in any way. I just responded to Dean's question, "how can he be using pro tools while singing live?" I said that the video is a recording, so what you are listening to can be protooled. You aren't watching it live, i.e. it's not live streaming video.

I am an electronics engineer. I hate it when people assume things to.

[Ehwmatt]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.

Calm down and read again. I personally don't think it's protooled, or processed in any way. I just responded to Dean's question, "how can he be using pro tools while singing live?" I said that the video is a recording, so what you are listening to can be protooled. You aren't watching it live, i.e. it's not live streaming video.

I am an electronics engineer. I hate it when people assume things to.

Buffoon, are you a musical audio engineer? Your being an electronics engineer doesn't mean shit in this context.

Pray tell me, how this video would possibly be "ProTooled?" The ONLY way is for them to have a soundboard of the RAW audio tracks, in ProTools form, so that they can go back and edit them. Incredibly unlikely for a tribute bar band.

[Eric]

Lacking a presence frontman is Survivor's new singer. Saw them tonight...brutal. His voice was good, but......

lacking presence isn't a kiss of death if the voice is good. Roy Orbison had no stage presence whatsoever, but that voice was magical. On Survivor, neither Jamison nor Bickler were that great for stage presence, though Bickler had about as much stage presence as a mop. Guy could sing live though before he lost his voice.

what I can't figure out is who would put Robin McAuley in Survivor to begin with. Doesn't sound like Dave Bickler. Doesn't sound like Jimi Jamison. Seems to be the kiss of death for what was at one time a very good band.

btw...how long did they play? 60-70 minutes?

75ish..with a drum and keyboard solo. No "Is this Love", "Moment of Truth", "First Night", "Broken Promises". I hate drum solos even if its the best drum solo by the best drummer. When you only play 11 songs, you gotta make better selections.

I don't think they have EVER played Moment of Truth live unless it was right around the time it was released. Never seen it on any setlist. I think it's the only song on the catalog that was not written by the band, which would explain why they don't play it. Not sure if JJ has played it either--it would be very rare if he did.

Is This Love is pretty typical for JJ to play solo, but pretty rare for Survivor when he was there. First Night occasionally got an airing once JJ rejoined in 2000. Surprised you didn't get Broken Promises, as that was a regular for a LONG time dating back to the reformation in '93 with Bickler. Maybe Frankie Sullivan got tired of it finally.

His voice was good, but not right....you nailed it.

I felt he was awkward...where JSS seems genuine this guy did not.

JSS was a bit outside of his comfort zone (at least initially), but he is good enough to not let vocal issues be a problem. Vocally, he was out there for a band built on the Perry sound, but within the limits of what would work. If it was 1987, JSS would be a very good choice to be different, yet close enough to cover the old stuff.

You'd never be able to prove it, but with McAuley and Sullivan working together before, I think he just called him up once JJ quit and that was that. Whether he SHOULD be in Survivor was never a question that was asked. Toby Hitchcock from Pride of Lions would be an obvious choice. I've heard Kevin Chalfant do Survivor stuff with Jim Peterik and he does very good--different, but within the realm of possibility. McAuley is just out there--not his fault, but his voice just doesn't fit "Survivor".

The whole issue between short set list, only playing 11 songs, and the singer situation is why I (being a MAJOR Survivor fan) wouldn't drive across town to see them now. It's sad really... I might be mildly interested if they ever release a new cd, but that looks unlikely also.

Thanks for the background info!

Yeah...It was a free show, let me add that in, but they have a nice catalog and should never have to disappoint a crowd with a short set filled with solos.

What I meant about presence was...he kept yelling "SING IT"...and did an excessive and awkward amount of jumping jack style jumping. I know people have had problems with Augeri, JSS and Arnel....but I still felt/feel they were subtle and genuine.

[Since 78]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.

This is live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai7bhXlj ... re=related, that wasn't.

[Ehwmatt]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.

This is live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai7bhXlj ... re=related, that wasn't.

What wasn't? I've only seen the Oh Sherrie video, which was live and definitely not edited

[Since 78]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.

This is live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai7bhXlj ... re=related, that wasn't.

What wasn't? I've only seen the Oh Sherrie video, which was live and definitely not edited

This. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

[kmjrr]

1. How the fuck can this guy be using pro tools while singing live?

Um, he's singing live, yes, but it is a video recording. One can use protools on the video and then publish it to Youtube...

You really think a tribute band is soundboarding their gigs with ProTools to have access to the raw tracks later on to tweak? Too much dude, LOL.

I hate when people with 0 technical knowledge try and assume things.

Calm down and read again. I personally don't think it's protooled, or processed in any way. I just responded to Dean's question, "how can he be using pro tools while singing live?" I said that the video is a recording, so what you are listening to can be protooled. You aren't watching it live, i.e. it's not live streaming video.

I am an electronics engineer. I hate it when people assume things to.

Buffoon, are you a musical audio engineer? Your being an electronics engineer doesn't mean shit in this context.

Pray tell me, how this video would possibly be "ProTooled?" The ONLY way is for them to have a soundboard of the RAW audio tracks, in ProTools form, so that they can go back and edit them. Incredibly unlikely for a tribute bar band.

Dean asked "How can he be using pro tools while singing live?" when responding to steve0777. I answered that question - When watching a YouTube video of a live performance, you are not watching it live, so the audio can of course be processed. That's it. I was not saying that I believed the audio was processed. And steveo777 never said that either. I absolutely believe it was not.

[portland]

I'm with you on this one Deano! Here he is singing "Oh Sherrie", and it's the best live cover version I've ever heard! I think this guy kicks ASS as a tribute singer! Here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZg9dEbZ ... re=related

Pretty good... SW sounded the best. There really is only one Perry :P

One smart Wombat!

[Ligzig]

Buffoon, are you a musical audio engineer? Your being an electronics engineer doesn't mean shit in this context.

Pray tell me, how this video would possibly be "ProTooled?" The ONLY way is for them to have a soundboard of the RAW audio tracks, in ProTools form, so that they can go back and edit them. Incredibly unlikely for a tribute bar band.

The first video posted in this thread is definitely a prerecorded track, doesn't take brains to realize that, but I realize you were talking about the Ohsherrie video.

Anyway, this guy doesn't do shit for me. He sounds just like Augeri, Jeremy and Hugo. Weak, nasally and thin, trying too hard.

It seems to me that people are so caught up in Arnels accent they are willing to settle for shitty subpar vocals if it means they can understand the lyrics (really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

[Since 78]

Buffoon, are you a musical audio engineer? Your being an electronics engineer doesn't mean shit in this context.

Pray tell me, how this video would possibly be "ProTooled?" The ONLY way is for them to have a soundboard of the RAW audio tracks, in ProTools form, so that they can go back and edit them. Incredibly unlikely for a tribute bar band.

The first video posted in this thread is definitely a prerecorded track, doesn't take brains to realize that, but I realize you were talking about the Ohsherrie video.

Anyway, this guy doesn't do shit for me. He sounds just like Augeri, Jeremy and Hugo. Weak, nasally and thin, trying too hard.

It seems to me that people are so caught up in Arnels accent they are willing to settle for shitty subpar vocals if it means they can understand the lyrics (really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Don't know that Id go as far as retarded just biased, but I agree with everything else. None of these guys have Arnels power and range.

[The_Noble_Cause]

really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Seems it's a big enough problem that the band is sending Arnel to a diction coach (again).

[Ehwmatt]

really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Seems it's a big enough problem that the band is sending Arnel to a diction coach (again).

I can understand him fine most of the time. Doesn't mean it's pleasing to my ears to hear garbled words and strange syllables in music I know like the back of my hand.

[sonorstks]

not in the same league as Kevin, but there is a bit of "Chalfant" in that Oh Sherrie. Not too bad! I agree and think more people should just accept
Arnel for what he is. I Dont think he ever intended on replacing Perry. Just nice that we can hear new tunes from the guys to carry us into the future.

[steveo777]

really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Seems it's a big enough problem that the band is sending Arnel to a diction coach (again).

It's a process, especially when he goes home to the Philippines for so long and gets reimmersed in Taglish. It's gonna take some time.
Old dogs can learn new tricks but not as easily as young pups. Arnel is 42, or is he 43 now?

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's a process, especially when he goes home to the Philippines for so long and gets reimmersed in Taglish. It's gonna take some time.
Old dogs can learn new tricks but not as easily as young pups. Arnel is 42, or is he 43 now?

I understand this. Personally, it annoys me and pulls me out of the song. For other fans, it's not a deal breaker. By all rights, given that Perry had one of the most unique and overwrought deliveries in rock history, it shouldn't be that distracting.

[Monker]

really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Seems it's a big enough problem that the band is sending Arnel to a diction coach (again).

I can understand his singing. But, his talking between songs is worthless...and maybe that is the reason for coach.

[Aaron]

I need to listen to the guy a few times to get a better feel for him instead of an initial impression. However, I'd vote not bad, not bad at all. And in the original key

[StyxCollector]

really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Seems it's a big enough problem that the band is sending Arnel to a diction coach (again).

I can understand his singing. But, his talking between songs is worthless...and maybe that is the reason for coach.

I saw the Manila show on Palladia and based on the comments from everyone who has seen him live, expected to be impressed. I was not. His diction and sometimes inaccurate phrasing took me right out of the songs. Does he have a good voice? Sure. No argument there. He's got talent, but to say you can't notice the problems with diction you must have cotton in your ears. That doesn't mean I don't understand what he's saying. It just sounds wrong IMO

[steveo777]

really? you have to be retarded to not understand Arnel)

Seems it's a big enough problem that the band is sending Arnel to a diction coach (again).

I can understand his singing. But, his talking between songs is worthless...and maybe that is the reason for coach.

I saw the Manila show on Palladia and based on the comments from everyone who has seen him live, expected to be impressed. I was not. His diction and sometimes inaccurate phrasing took me right out of the songs. Does he have a good voice? Sure. No argument there. He's got talent, but to say you can't notice the problems with diction you must have cotton in your ears. That doesn't mean I don't understand what he's saying. It just sounds wrong IMO

I saw him live twice and in that setting it just didn't matter or wasn't noticed. Both shows met or exceeded my expectations and I was a happy camper.

[StyxCollector]

I saw him live twice and in that setting it just didn't matter or wasn't noticed. Both shows met or exceeded my expectations and I was a happy camper.

Not bagging on you for liking it. If you enjoyed it, cool. Based on seeing that show and listening to the album he did with Journey, I wouldn't pay to see this incarnation of Journey live. I went in with an open mind. I saw Augeri live with them a few times; replacement singers are not sticking points for me.

[slucero]

I still think Juan Del Castillo is the closest tonally I've heard to SP..

DSB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLflUkA8 ... re=related

Oh Sherrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxYQb1 ... re=related

[The_Noble_Cause]

I saw the Manila show on Palladia and based on the comments from everyone who has seen him live, expected to be impressed. I was not. His diction and sometimes inaccurate phrasing took me right out of the songs. Does he have a good voice? Sure. No argument there. He's got talent, but to say you can't notice the problems with diction you must have cotton in your ears. That doesn't mean I don't understand what he's saying. It just sounds wrong IMO

Same here. Thankfully Shirley did a masterful job producing and cleaning up Arnel's vocals on Disc 1 of Revelation. Disc 2, (which was reportedly recorded in Cain's basement), features glaring diction issues aplenty. Some fans don't mind tho.

[parfait]

The guy is decent, but I don't get this tribute singer thing. Don't these guys have a shred of self respect? He looks like a retard with that way too big jacket, the Walmart sunglasses and suspenders. Being a tribute singer isn't cool - the only thing you need to have is a okay voice; the rest you'll just mimic. At least be original enough to do something different with it. Change it up a bit. When Paul Rodgers toured with Queen, he didn't mimic Mercury's moves and mannerism, he made it his own. That's what a real musician is supposed to do - having a personality.

And for the record; what Augeri lacked in voice, he made up in being awesome. Pineda have the voice, but Augeri had everything else.

[kgdjpubs]

The guy is decent, but I don't get this tribute singer thing. Don't these guys have a shred of self respect? He looks like a retard with that way too big jacket, the Walmart sunglasses and suspenders. Being a tribute singer isn't cool - the only thing you need to have is a okay voice; the rest you'll just mimic. At least be original enough to do something different with it. Change it up a bit.

I tend to agree with you, but it appears the band and the audience are having fun, so who am I to judge them? I've never seen a tribute band in concert, and I don't really see that changing. I'm happy for some of those that like it, but it isn't for me. When the real band is over, I'll have the cds. Nothing lasts forever--it's the way it goes. When it turns to simply nostalgia, that's where I check out.

When Paul Rodgers toured with Queen, he didn't mimic Mercury's moves and mannerism, he made it his own. That's what a real musician is supposed to do - having a personality.

considering his voice was about as far away from Mercury as you could get, he didn't have much choice. He made it his own and let it sink or swim on his own merits as a singer. Others have done the same. I'd love to see Hugo perform a set of solo/Valentine material, but him doing a Journey set has little interest. Same with the other singers.

I don't mind the cover song live, or even a covers album if done well as a stop-gap between new material. The full-on tribute band is pushing it a bit too far for me personally to enjoy, regardless of how well it is done.

[Jeremey]

Ryan's got a great voice, though the Sep Ways video is not live, it's a lip synched performance to a studio recording and the live crowd is probably stock footage spliced with them on stage.

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

As far as people in tribute bands having self respect....well, I think pretty highly of what I've achieved, LOL. In this day and age if you want to make a living in music and entertainment you have to find a niche and do it well. That means not only being able to perform but carrying yourself and your business as a professionally as possible. We have a great following not only with fans but with the people I do business with. I guess it's just like every other business. Hey, it may not be your cup of tea, but it's a hell of a way to make a living....

[steveo777]

Ryan's got a great voice, though the Sep Ways video is not live, it's a lip synched performance to a studio recording and the live crowd is probably stock footage spliced with them on stage.

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

As far as people in tribute bands having self respect....well, I think pretty highly of what I've achieved, LOL. In this day and age if you want to make a living in music and entertainment you have to find a niche and do it well. That means not only being able to perform but carrying yourself and your business as a professionally as possible. We have a great following not only with fans but with the people I do business with. I guess it's just like every other business. Hey, it may not be your cup of tea, but it's a hell of a way to make a living....

Well said and no jabs at Pineda. Does Neal pay you to NOT take jabs at Pineda? :ducks:

[Jeremey]

Ryan's got a great voice, though the Sep Ways video is not live, it's a lip synched performance to a studio recording and the live crowd is probably stock footage spliced with them on stage.

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

As far as people in tribute bands having self respect....well, I think pretty highly of what I've achieved, LOL. In this day and age if you want to make a living in music and entertainment you have to find a niche and do it well. That means not only being able to perform but carrying yourself and your business as a professionally as possible. We have a great following not only with fans but with the people I do business with. I guess it's just like every other business. Hey, it may not be your cup of tea, but it's a hell of a way to make a living....

Well said and no jabs at Pineda. Does Neal pay you to NOT take jabs at Pineda? :ducks:

LOL, why would I take any jabs at Arnel? He does a hell of a job considering the position he's in.

[steveo777]

Ryan's got a great voice, though the Sep Ways video is not live, it's a lip synched performance to a studio recording and the live crowd is probably stock footage spliced with them on stage.

On the subject of using Pro Tools live, let me just share that we shared the stage with an AMAZING Billy Joel tribute in CT this summer called Big Shot. The band carried a Digi VENUE board, which is basically a mixing board with a Pro Tools computer built into it. It was amazing as even the guitarist's effects were changed and adjusted mid song by their engineer. They sounded fantastic, though I'm not a fan of the Digi reverbs those things have.

As far as people in tribute bands having self respect....well, I think pretty highly of what I've achieved, LOL. In this day and age if you want to make a living in music and entertainment you have to find a niche and do it well. That means not only being able to perform but carrying yourself and your business as a professionally as possible. We have a great following not only with fans but with the people I do business with. I guess it's just like every other business. Hey, it may not be your cup of tea, but it's a hell of a way to make a living....

Well said and no jabs at Pineda. Does Neal pay you to NOT take jabs at Pineda? :ducks:

LOL, why would I take any jabs at Arnel? He does a hell of a job considering the position he's in.

I was joking with you man.
So many others jab at Pineda, so I figured, why not you too......
We need a damn tour!

[BobbyinTN]

This is phenomenal. For my money, beats Pineda hands down. Good God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBPU1zQohk&NR=1

Deano, he fuckin' rocks!!

I don't think they're using pro-tools even though it's a synced/recorded vocal. He still sounds fuckin' amazing live.

Fuck those people who get pissed over a flat note. Until they've been up there singing their heads off, they have no idea what they're talking about.

[BobbyinTN]

And then check this out. Same guy doing BGTY. Doesn't sound right, because this guy's voice is better now (or different) than Perry's was for ROR. This is what BGTY would have sounded like in 1981.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGe3Hk3Z ... re=related

Kind of a sucky live recording, but still he's great.