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Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Voyager » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:00 pm

Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.
(See pictures of booze under a microscope.)

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.
(Watch TIME's Video "Taste Test: Beer With Extra Buzz.")

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0yA0Mt7B3


Who would have guessed it? I figured nondrinkers lived longer for sure!

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Postby steveo777 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:39 pm

That study is weighted to suit someone who is probably a fucking alcoholic. That has to be be bullshit.
The doctor I had as a kid died at 49 years old because his organs were damaged by alcohol and a big time
bender caused them to start shutting down. He died within 24 hours of being found barely alive in a motel.
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:54 pm

I knew this all along,no need for no study.I drink a bottle of red wine every night,sometimes even that rut gut from were Andrew lives near {Yelllow Tail].I am in perfect health.It cures depression,anxiety, my blood pressure is low,it helps me sleep,some people guess im ten years younger then my real age.Drinkin Red wine is good for you.My buddy owns a vinyard{not Friga} his mom is 108 years old.I bullshit you not.Ill send you a link.It might mess with your spelling but who gives a shit
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Monker » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:04 pm

Voyager wrote:
Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.
(See pictures of booze under a microscope.)

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.
(Watch TIME's Video "Taste Test: Beer With Extra Buzz.")

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0yA0Mt7B3


Who would have guessed it? I figured nondrinkers lived longer for sure!

:?


This is old news, actually. It's been said for years that a glass of red wine every day is healthy. But, it's not necessarily the alcohol that does it...you can get similar results from drinking grape juice. It's the tannins and anti-oxidants in the grape that does it. I'd like to see the study done again but include a group that are non-drinkers but have a glass of grape juice every day.
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby stevew2 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:13 pm

Monker wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.
(See pictures of booze under a microscope.)

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.
(Watch TIME's Video "Taste Test: Beer With Extra Buzz.")

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0yA0Mt7B3


Who would have guessed it? I figured nondrinkers lived longer for sure!

:?


This is old news, actually. It's been said for years that a glass of red wine every day is healthy. But, it's not necessarily the alcohol that does it...you can get similar results from drinking grape juice. It's the tannins and anti-oxidants in the grape that does it. I'd like to see the study done again but include a group that are non-drinkers but have a glass of grape juice every day.
who in the fuck would want to drink grape juice everyday?
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Voyager » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:58 pm

stevew2 wrote:who in the fuck would want to drink grape juice everyday?


Jim Jones followers.

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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:57 pm

Tossing away the medical and biological speculation, I think alcohol enjoyed in relative moderation just fuckin relaxes you and keeps things in perspective, there's just not as much stress. People who would not drink at all also probably tend to be more high strung, which is bad for you.
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:25 am

Theres nothing wrong with a cold beer ! Ive got an ice cold bottle of Miller Genuine draft sitting in my refrigerator which will greet me when I get home from work. I never have more than one a day , but that one MGD hits the spot!
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:00 am

Monker wrote:This is old news, actually. It's been said for years that a glass of red wine every day is healthy. But, it's not necessarily the alcohol that does it...you can get similar results from drinking grape juice. It's the tannins and anti-oxidants in the grape that does it. I'd like to see the study done again but include a group that are non-drinkers but have a glass of grape juice every day.


LOL, I've thought the same thing. I'm not against drinking at all, but I think some people use studies like that as an excuse or justification to drink each night.

If it's true that heavy drinkers actually live longer and they are satisfied with their quality of life, my hat's off to them. Wish I could, but I can't, and if I tried I guarantee it would shorten my life.
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Monker » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:14 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
Monker wrote:This is old news, actually. It's been said for years that a glass of red wine every day is healthy. But, it's not necessarily the alcohol that does it...you can get similar results from drinking grape juice. It's the tannins and anti-oxidants in the grape that does it. I'd like to see the study done again but include a group that are non-drinkers but have a glass of grape juice every day.


LOL, I've thought the same thing. I'm not against drinking at all, but I think some people use studies like that as an excuse or justification to drink each night.

If it's true that heavy drinkers actually live longer and they are satisfied with their quality of life, my hat's off to them. Wish I could, but I can't, and if I tried I guarantee it would shorten my life.


Exactly. People are mistaking alcohol as the "good" factor that helps you live longer. I just don't believe it is. If it was just the alcohol, why is there a need to add "especially red wine"? It's obvious to me that something else is giving the health benefit.
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby parfait » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:05 am

Monker wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:
Monker wrote:This is old news, actually. It's been said for years that a glass of red wine every day is healthy. But, it's not necessarily the alcohol that does it...you can get similar results from drinking grape juice. It's the tannins and anti-oxidants in the grape that does it. I'd like to see the study done again but include a group that are non-drinkers but have a glass of grape juice every day.


LOL, I've thought the same thing. I'm not against drinking at all, but I think some people use studies like that as an excuse or justification to drink each night.

If it's true that heavy drinkers actually live longer and they are satisfied with their quality of life, my hat's off to them. Wish I could, but I can't, and if I tried I guarantee it would shorten my life.


Exactly. People are mistaking alcohol as the "good" factor that helps you live longer. I just don't believe it is. If it was just the alcohol, why is there a need to add "especially red wine"? It's obvious to me that something else is giving the health benefit.


You're right. Ethanol is not good for you, but it's all the other chemicals, in red wine especially, that'll do your body good. The body can take care of a rather substantial amount before it'll have adverse affects on your long term health though.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:51 am

Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.
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BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.


Good advice. I know for a fact that excessive alcohol kills a lot of brain cells. People who drink to get drunk every day usually have worse memory than people who smoke pot every day.

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Postby stevew2 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:03 am

BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Bendovers and blowjobs will blowout your system and kill you, but a little heiny or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.
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Postby KenTheDude » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:07 am

Voyager wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.


Good advice. I know for a fact that excessive alcohol kills a lot of brain cells. People who drink to get drunk every day usually have worse memory than people who smoke pot every day.

8)


If my neighbor across the street is home, he is in his garage drinking beer and watching TV. Period. That's it, that's all he does. He has his garage set up like a den with a couch, TV, fridge, stereo, etc. He's a shift worker in a chemical plant. He will literally sit in that garage and drink beer after beer all day long and then drive to work and work all night. When he gets home at about 7am, it starts all over again. The dude must spend at least $500 a month on beer alone. I've never seen anything like it.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:31 am

KenTheDude wrote:
Voyager wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.


Good advice. I know for a fact that excessive alcohol kills a lot of brain cells. People who drink to get drunk every day usually have worse memory than people who smoke pot every day.

8)


If my neighbor across the street is home, he is in his garage drinking beer and watching TV. Period. That's it, that's all he does. He has his garage set up like a den with a couch, TV, fridge, stereo, etc. He's a shift worker in a chemical plant. He will literally sit in that garage and drink beer after beer all day long and then drive to work and work all night. When he gets home at about 7am, it starts all over again. The dude must spend at least $500 a month on beer alone. I've never seen anything like it.


Does he ever sleep? :)
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Postby gr8dane » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:10 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:
Voyager wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.


Good advice. I know for a fact that excessive alcohol kills a lot of brain cells. People who drink to get drunk every day usually have worse memory than people who smoke pot every day.

8)


If my neighbor across the street is home, he is in his garage drinking beer and watching TV. Period. That's it, that's all he does. He has his garage set up like a den with a couch, TV, fridge, stereo, etc. He's a shift worker in a chemical plant. He will literally sit in that garage and drink beer after beer all day long and then drive to work and work all night. When he gets home at about 7am, it starts all over again. The dude must spend at least $500 a month on beer alone. I've never seen anything like it.


Does he ever sleep? :)

Only when he is at work.
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Postby Voyager » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:17 am

gr8dane wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:
Voyager wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.


Good advice. I know for a fact that excessive alcohol kills a lot of brain cells. People who drink to get drunk every day usually have worse memory than people who smoke pot every day.

8)


If my neighbor across the street is home, he is in his garage drinking beer and watching TV. Period. That's it, that's all he does. He has his garage set up like a den with a couch, TV, fridge, stereo, etc. He's a shift worker in a chemical plant. He will literally sit in that garage and drink beer after beer all day long and then drive to work and work all night. When he gets home at about 7am, it starts all over again. The dude must spend at least $500 a month on beer alone. I've never seen anything like it.


Does he ever sleep? :)

Only when he is at work.


Or at church - LOL!

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Postby Peartree12249 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:40 am

They've known for years that moderate drinking can actually be good for you. There's nothing wrong with a few beers, cocktails or a couple of glasses of wine.

Maybe the reason the death rate is higher for non-drinkers is because the alcoholics killed them all in drunken driving crashes. :shock:
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Postby Jana » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:04 am

On my mother's side, many of her brothers and sisters are still alive and in late 80s and 90s and in great health. All Baptist teetotalers.
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Postby Deb » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:51 am

KenTheDude wrote:If my neighbor across the street is home, he is in his garage drinking beer and watching TV. Period. That's it, that's all he does. He has his garage set up like a den with a couch, TV, fridge, stereo, etc. He's a shift worker in a chemical plant. He will literally sit in that garage and drink beer after beer all day long and then drive to work and work all night. When he gets home at about 7am, it starts all over again. The dude must spend at least $500 a month on beer alone. I've never seen anything like it.


LOL, do you live in the house beside me?! :shock: :lol: Buddy across the alley from me is exactly the same deal. 9 times out of 10 when I pull out of my garage, he's out there having a beer and watching sports........haha, fridge, tv and stereo too. :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:59 am

I haven't been drinking much the last few weeks, but I generally have between 2-4 beers 3-4 nights a week at least... then factor in the occasional bender on the weekend. I'm one of the most laid-back people I know in my line of work
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:20 pm

Voyager wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:
Voyager wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:Everything in moderation. Benders and blowouts will blowout your system and kill you, but a little wine or even whiskey every day will make things run smoother.

Notice, they didn't say alcoholism or getting drunk every day is a good thing.


Good advice. I know for a fact that excessive alcohol kills a lot of brain cells. People who drink to get drunk every day usually have worse memory than people who smoke pot every day.

8)


If my neighbor across the street is home, he is in his garage drinking beer and watching TV. Period. That's it, that's all he does. He has his garage set up like a den with a couch, TV, fridge, stereo, etc. He's a shift worker in a chemical plant. He will literally sit in that garage and drink beer after beer all day long and then drive to work and work all night. When he gets home at about 7am, it starts all over again. The dude must spend at least $500 a month on beer alone. I've never seen anything like it.


Does he ever sleep? :)

Only when he is at work.


Or at church - LOL!

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Postby parfait » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:02 pm

Damn. Just found out that Christopher Hitchens got diagnosed with terminal cancer a few weeks back. He was a heavy drinker, but still one the true rational minds and without a doubt one of the best debaters of this century. A brillian person and a true loss for evolutionary and outspoken rationalism.
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Postby Peartree12249 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:27 am

parfait wrote:Damn. Just found out that Christopher Hitchens got diagnosed with terminal cancer a few weeks back. He was a heavy drinker, but still one the true rational minds and without a doubt one of the best debaters of this century. A brillian person and a true loss for evolutionary and outspoken rationalism.


Yes, he was recently interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN about his cancer. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS1KRbZb0XQ
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby gr8dane » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:55 am

Voyager wrote:
Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.
(See pictures of booze under a microscope.)

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.
(Watch TIME's Video "Taste Test: Beer With Extra Buzz.")

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0yA0Mt7B3


Who would have guessed it? I figured nondrinkers lived longer for sure!

:?


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Postby parfait » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:52 am

Peartree12249 wrote:
parfait wrote:Damn. Just found out that Christopher Hitchens got diagnosed with terminal cancer a few weeks back. He was a heavy drinker, but still one the true rational minds and without a doubt one of the best debaters of this century. A brillian person and a true loss for evolutionary and outspoken rationalism.


Yes, he was recently interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN about his cancer. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS1KRbZb0XQ


Yeah, I just watched it a few moments ago. When you can stay that cool and rational, even when you know you're soon going to die; that's hardcore.
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby lights1961 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:22 am

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Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?


One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.
(See pictures of booze under a microscope.)

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.
(Watch TIME's Video "Taste Test: Beer With Extra Buzz.")

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0yA0Mt7B3


Who would have guessed it? I figured nondrinkers lived longer for sure!

:?


was this study done at last call in a bar???
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Peartree12249 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:26 am

lights1961 wrote:
Voyager wrote:
Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?


One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink actually tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that — for reasons that aren't entirely clear — abstaining from alcohol does actually tend to increase one's risk of dying even when you exclude former drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.
(See pictures of booze under a microscope.)

Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors — job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables — socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on — the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who had never been drinkers, second-highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.
(Watch TIME's Video "Taste Test: Beer With Extra Buzz.")

The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the never-drinkers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0yA0Mt7B3


Who would have guessed it? I figured nondrinkers lived longer for sure!

:?


was this study done at last call in a bar???


:lol: :lol: I don't know, all I know is I have several friends/family who never lived to see 50 due to alcohol or drug addiction & a few more who were brought back from the brink of death due to the wonders of modern medicine. :roll:
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Re: Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:55 am

Voyager wrote:It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive.

:?


I wonder where they get this info from. Watch any episode of COPS and it proves otherwise.
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