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Postby Voyager » Fri Sep 03, 2010 3:59 am

(CNN) -- In recent weeks, a series of CNN articles have appeared purporting to get to the bottom of male infidelity. "Men More Likely to Cheat on Women With Bigger Paychecks," one headline informs us; yet in the body of the article we are told that the opposite is true as well: "A man who makes significantly more money than his girlfriend or wife is also more likely to cheat."

It's a bit bewildering, keeping track of all the things that could cause a man to be unfaithful. Earn too much and he might cheat, but earn too little and he might cheat then, too.

Association is not the same as causality, but news outlets have latched on to this anyway as the reason actress Sandra Bullock was betrayed; high-and-low-earning ladies everywhere had better beware.

This article and others like it that surface in the media every so often amount to something of a cottage industry in the justification of male infidelity. Scratch the surface of any of them and you get a phenomenon of male entitlement that is oddly abetted by some women.

For example, if you thought that the man himself had anything to do with it, former "sugarbabe" and mistress Holly Hill explains otherwise in an article that ran a few weeks ago: "Men are hardwired to betray women on the long-term." In this view, man is but a victim of faulty "wiring" -- although the wires evidently worked well enough to fund her "sugarbabe" business.

But the real eye-opener was psychologist Christopher Ryan's CNN.com essay, "Monogamy unnatural for our sexy species."

Before reading this, I hadn't realized that I could have a "central, respected role" as part of a "harem of women" and that marriage was all a ruse to make the "human female [into] just another possession for men to accumulate and defend, along with his house, slaves and asses."

I have already notified my husband that I am onto him, and that he may no longer defend nor accumulate me for "pair bonding."

Curiously, accumulating large numbers of other women poses no problem, according to Ryan. For on account of "women's pendulous breasts" -- and the vast evolutionary forces that have produced them -- he suggests it's "utterly natural" for men to cheat, or to exhibit "nonpossessive, gregarious sexuality."

We are, he points out, "the most sexual species on earth." At first I was confused about why this sexuality can only be expressed via multiple partners, but then I got to the part about the "Bonobos [who] famously enjoy frequent group sex that leaves everyone relaxed and conflict-free." And who, really, can argue with that?

All I ask, as a woman, is for consistency. When we turn to the bonobos to be our guides, let's not be quite so selective about the take-home message. Let us try to examine every species more thoroughly.

For example: true, women have "pendulous breasts," but hey, men have pendulous ears, and what could those possibly be for? Any serious evolutionary scholar can plainly see that the human male is designed to be listening to women at all times. That's why their ears are larger.

Ryan claims that, since the male organ is "the longest [and] thickest," we cannot deny the evidence that "prehistoric promiscuity" is part of our primate inheritance. Yet this fascinating investigation is cut short. If we continue traveling further upwards, we discover that a man's arms are also generally longer and thicker than a woman's.

From a strictly scientific standpoint, here we see a strong indication that a man is evolutionarily adapted to give out more back rubs than he gets. Sure, today an individual man can refuse a request for a massage, but when the next wave of natural selection works its magic, he may find that his massage-phobic genes are out of the running.

Once at the Toronto Zoo, my family witnessed a male orangutan picking nits off his baby's hair, while the female lolled about peacefully, grooming herself under a tree. Can there be any clearer precedent, from an evolutionary perspective, for men to scrape the dinner plates while women get manicures?

Another time on YouTube, I saw a female gorilla munching on stinging nettles, even though they seemed to bother her. It was a humbling, yet powerful directive for me to go shopping even though I couldn't really afford a new outfit.

Ladies, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. It is time to stop arguing with evolutionary theorists when they use bonobo behavior to justify their own low standards.

Why should men have a monopoly on the totally arbitrary selection of chimp behavior that renders their own predilections normative under the guise of scientific observation? I am picking up my pad of paper, I am ready to take notes and I am headed for the zoo.

Do the gorillas speak to you, too? If they don't, simply write to let me know what behavior of yours you'd like to rationalize, and I am confident that working together as a scientific team, we can find a gorilla somewhere out there doing that very thing with a vengeance.

Let's face it -- the new "science" of infidelity is just not very scientific. It certainly provides a convenient "out" to deny personal responsibility, but anyone who buys this "science" is missing out on the best parts of being human: the freedom that comes from self-control and the intimacy that can only come with commitment.


I guess that means we have to tame ourselves to become monogamous.

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Postby epresley » Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:59 am

I'm gonna have to ask my wife and my girlfriend about this........
It's not a lie, if you believe it..........
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Postby brywool » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:02 am

Not fer me it ain't!
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:10 am

I think it is in your nature or it isn't. You either love your spouse or your playing house. Cheating is lying. Plain and simple.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:12 am

Those damn Mormons knew it all along. God made man to be a polygamyst and populate the earth. Look at King David and King Solomon in the Bible - they both had hundreds of wives. Modern society has reduced men to emasculated house servants on a leash like pets.

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Postby artist4perry » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:24 am

Voyager wrote:Those damn Mormons knew it all along. God made man to be a polygamyst and populate the earth. Look at King David and King Solomon in the Bible - they both had hundreds of wives. Modern society has reduced men to emasculated house servants on a leash like pets.

Now here's a real man:

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:lol: :lol:


Truth be told all the houshold of David and King Solomon had feuding wives. Cat fights all the time. Rachel and her sister Leah fought all the time over who could have children and who couldn't. It still adds to jealousy and turmoil. Also women who live together menstrate at the same time. Can you imagine 3 or 4 wives on the wrag all being catty at the same time. You better take stock in Midol! :shock: :shock: :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:43 am

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Voyager wrote:God made man to be a polygamyst and populate the earth. Look at King David and King Solomon in the Bible - they both had hundreds of wives. Modern society has reduced men to emasculated house servants on a leash like pets.

:lol: :lol:


Truth be told all the houshold of David and King Solomon had feuding wives. Cat fights all the time. Rachel and her sister Leah fought all the time over who could have children and who couldn't. It still adds to jealousy and turmoil. Also women who live together menstrate at the same time. Can you imagine 3 or 4 wives on the wrag all being catty at the same time. You better take stock in Midol! :shock: :shock: :wink: :lol: :lol:


That's why a wise king has a vacation home with a second supply of wives.

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Postby artist4perry » Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:49 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
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Voyager wrote:God made man to be a polygamyst and populate the earth. Look at King David and King Solomon in the Bible - they both had hundreds of wives. Modern society has reduced men to emasculated house servants on a leash like pets.

:lol: :lol:


Truth be told all the houshold of David and King Solomon had feuding wives. Cat fights all the time. Rachel and her sister Leah fought all the time over who could have children and who couldn't. It still adds to jealousy and turmoil. Also women who live together menstrate at the same time. Can you imagine 3 or 4 wives on the wrag all being catty at the same time. You better take stock in Midol! :shock: :shock: :wink: :lol: :lol:


That's why a wise king has a vacation home with a second supply of wives.

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And they might PMS at the same time as the first household and then what do you do? Besides, they will all hate each other and expect YOU To solve who is best. Better have a vacation home from your vacation home and all the wives. LOL
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Postby Voyager » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:36 am

Just say no.

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Postby Everett » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:50 am

artist4perry wrote:I think it is in your nature or it isn't. You either love your spouse or your playing house. Cheating is lying. Plain and simple.


Tell that to my ex
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Re: Monogamy Is Unnatural For Humans

Postby steveo777 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:56 am

Voyager wrote:
(CNN) -- In recent weeks, a series of CNN articles have appeared purporting to get to the bottom of male infidelity. "Men More Likely to Cheat on Women With Bigger Paychecks," one headline informs us; yet in the body of the article we are told that the opposite is true as well: "A man who makes significantly more money than his girlfriend or wife is also more likely to cheat."

It's a bit bewildering, keeping track of all the things that could cause a man to be unfaithful. Earn too much and he might cheat, but earn too little and he might cheat then, too.

Association is not the same as causality, but news outlets have latched on to this anyway as the reason actress Sandra Bullock was betrayed; high-and-low-earning ladies everywhere had better beware.

This article and others like it that surface in the media every so often amount to something of a cottage industry in the justification of male infidelity. Scratch the surface of any of them and you get a phenomenon of male entitlement that is oddly abetted by some women.

For example, if you thought that the man himself had anything to do with it, former "sugarbabe" and mistress Holly Hill explains otherwise in an article that ran a few weeks ago: "Men are hardwired to betray women on the long-term." In this view, man is but a victim of faulty "wiring" -- although the wires evidently worked well enough to fund her "sugarbabe" business.

But the real eye-opener was psychologist Christopher Ryan's CNN.com essay, "Monogamy unnatural for our sexy species."

Before reading this, I hadn't realized that I could have a "central, respected role" as part of a "harem of women" and that marriage was all a ruse to make the "human female [into] just another possession for men to accumulate and defend, along with his house, slaves and asses."

I have already notified my husband that I am onto him, and that he may no longer defend nor accumulate me for "pair bonding."

Curiously, accumulating large numbers of other women poses no problem, according to Ryan. For on account of "women's pendulous breasts" -- and the vast evolutionary forces that have produced them -- he suggests it's "utterly natural" for men to cheat, or to exhibit "nonpossessive, gregarious sexuality."

We are, he points out, "the most sexual species on earth." At first I was confused about why this sexuality can only be expressed via multiple partners, but then I got to the part about the "Bonobos [who] famously enjoy frequent group sex that leaves everyone relaxed and conflict-free." And who, really, can argue with that?

All I ask, as a woman, is for consistency. When we turn to the bonobos to be our guides, let's not be quite so selective about the take-home message. Let us try to examine every species more thoroughly.

For example: true, women have "pendulous breasts," but hey, men have pendulous ears, and what could those possibly be for? Any serious evolutionary scholar can plainly see that the human male is designed to be listening to women at all times. That's why their ears are larger.

Ryan claims that, since the male organ is "the longest [and] thickest," we cannot deny the evidence that "prehistoric promiscuity" is part of our primate inheritance. Yet this fascinating investigation is cut short. If we continue traveling further upwards, we discover that a man's arms are also generally longer and thicker than a woman's.

From a strictly scientific standpoint, here we see a strong indication that a man is evolutionarily adapted to give out more back rubs than he gets. Sure, today an individual man can refuse a request for a massage, but when the next wave of natural selection works its magic, he may find that his massage-phobic genes are out of the running.

Once at the Toronto Zoo, my family witnessed a male orangutan picking nits off his baby's hair, while the female lolled about peacefully, grooming herself under a tree. Can there be any clearer precedent, from an evolutionary perspective, for men to scrape the dinner plates while women get manicures?

Another time on YouTube, I saw a female gorilla munching on stinging nettles, even though they seemed to bother her. It was a humbling, yet powerful directive for me to go shopping even though I couldn't really afford a new outfit.

Ladies, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. It is time to stop arguing with evolutionary theorists when they use bonobo behavior to justify their own low standards.

Why should men have a monopoly on the totally arbitrary selection of chimp behavior that renders their own predilections normative under the guise of scientific observation? I am picking up my pad of paper, I am ready to take notes and I am headed for the zoo.

Do the gorillas speak to you, too? If they don't, simply write to let me know what behavior of yours you'd like to rationalize, and I am confident that working together as a scientific team, we can find a gorilla somewhere out there doing that very thing with a vengeance.

Let's face it -- the new "science" of infidelity is just not very scientific. It certainly provides a convenient "out" to deny personal responsibility, but anyone who buys this "science" is missing out on the best parts of being human: the freedom that comes from self-control and the intimacy that can only come with commitment.


I guess that means we have to tame ourselves to become monogamous.

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So this concurs with my belief system when I was between ages 15 - 25....everything that walked, and then some. :D
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Postby artist4perry » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:12 am

Everett wrote:
artist4perry wrote:I think it is in your nature or it isn't. You either love your spouse or your playing house. Cheating is lying. Plain and simple.


Tell that to my ex


I told that to my ex.........before divorce papers were served. :wink: I would gladly tell that to your ex. :lol:
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Postby stevew2 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:34 pm

Its hard, most men struggle with it everyday,its in our genes { not jeans} to procreate .It makes even harder the way women dress sometimes.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:37 pm

stevew2 wrote:Its hard, most men struggle with it everyday,its in our genes { not jeans} to procreate .It makes even harder the way women dress sometimes.


I swear those 18 - 19 year olds didn't look like that when I was that age! Same with some of these female teachers they've got these days. :lol:

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Postby stevew2 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:47 pm

steveo777 wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Its hard, most men struggle with it everyday,its in our genes { not jeans} to procreate .It makes even harder the way women dress sometimes.


I swear those 18 - 19 year olds didn't look like that when I was that age! Same with some of these female teachers they've got these days. :lol:

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Postby parfait » Fri Sep 03, 2010 5:45 pm

Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
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Postby Voyager » Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:16 pm

parfait wrote:I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.


:lol: :lol:

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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:19 pm

Voyager wrote:Those damn Mormons knew it all along. God made man to be a polygamyst and populate the earth. Look at King David and King Solomon in the Bible - they both had hundreds of wives. Modern society has reduced men to emasculated house servants on a leash like pets.

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I'd have the one on the far right strictly on house cleaning duty! :lol:
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Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:10 am

I think it's all about what the couple has agreed on. Most of the gay couples I know are monogamous and what's funny, is two of our straight couple friends have an "open marriage".

Men are programmed to spread it around, and that's just the facts. However, we can all choose to be faithful and monogamous.

I read stories all the time about how gay men are more "promiscuous" than every other person in the world. Let me tell you, that's pure bullshit. MEN are more promiscuous no matter what sexuality they are. I've seen it, witnessed it, been asked to participate in it, from "straight" guys too.

My partner and I will be together for 18 years this October and we chose to be monogamous. It was something we both wanted, but we've never judged anyone who likes something different. It's simply not our place. We can NOT tell others how to live their lives or who they should or shouldn't have sex with.

One more thing to what someone above said, there is a difference in sex and love. For those that don't realize that, I think you're either selectively blind or really naive.

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Postby stevew2 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:50 am

BobbyinTN wrote:I think it's all about what the couple has agreed on. Most of the gay couples I know are monogamous and what's funny, is two of our straight couple friends have an "open marriage".

Men are programmed to spread it around, and that's just the facts. However, we can all choose to be faithful and monogamous.

I read stories all the time about how gay men are more "promiscuous" than every other person in the world. Let me tell you, that's pure bullshit. MEN are more promiscuous no matter what sexuality they are. I've seen it, witnessed it, been asked to participate in it, from "straight" guys too.

My partner and I will be together for 18 years this October and we chose to be monogamous. It was something we both wanted, but we've never judged anyone who likes something different. It's simply not our place. We can tell others how to live their lives or who they should or shouldn't have sex with.

One more thing to what someone above said, there is a difference in sex and love. For those that don't realize that, I think you're either selectively blind or really naive.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:39 am

parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
Why would you, of all people, be sleeping w/ a saggy~ass woman in the first place?!?! :? :wink:
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Postby BobbyinTN » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:14 am

stevew2 wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:I think it's all about what the couple has agreed on. Most of the gay couples I know are monogamous and what's funny, is two of our straight couple friends have an "open marriage".

Men are programmed to spread it around, and that's just the facts. However, we can all choose to be faithful and monogamous.

I read stories all the time about how gay men are more "promiscuous" than every other person in the world. Let me tell you, that's pure bullshit. MEN are more promiscuous no matter what sexuality they are. I've seen it, witnessed it, been asked to participate in it, from "straight" guys too.

My partner and I will be together for 18 years this October and we chose to be monogamous. It was something we both wanted, but we've never judged anyone who likes something different. It's simply not our place. We can tell others how to live their lives or who they should or shouldn't have sex with.

One more thing to what someone above said, there is a difference in sex and love. For those that don't realize that, I think you're either selectively blind or really naive.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:28 am

parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway?



You're such a buffoon. Enjoy being young and single, absolutely nothing wrong with that, but you've got some seriously fucked up views on family.
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Postby parfait » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:16 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
Why would you, of all people, be sleeping w/ a saggy~ass woman in the first place?!?! :? :wink:


I usually have my oatmeal with cinnamon, but you know, sometimes I like to change it up and use almonds instead.

Oh, and I'm a buffoon too. I'm sure that has something to do with it.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:38 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
Why would you, of all people, be sleeping w/ a saggy~ass woman in the first place?!?! :? :wink:


Remember...he likes his women doing urinal impersonations...so take what he says about women with a grain of salt...or a shot of piss...which ever you prefer!
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Postby parfait » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:56 am

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Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
Why would you, of all people, be sleeping w/ a saggy~ass woman in the first place?!?! :? :wink:


Remember...he likes his women doing urinal impersonations...so take what he says about women with a grain of salt...or a shot of piss...which ever you prefer!


Says the grown man with the Ross Valory rocks username and a signature quote from Stone Cold.

Just go back into your trailer, dude. If you're wondering about how to remove that foul smell you got in there, just ask your wife to close her legs.
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Postby StyxCollector » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:03 am

Don't get married or ever be in a committed relationship. Find some friend(s) with bennies and you're all set. Problem solved.
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Postby Voyager » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:54 am

StyxCollector wrote:Don't get married or ever be in a committed relationship. Find some friend(s) with bennies and you're all set. Problem solved.


Perhaps, but another problem created.

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Postby Angel » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:11 am

parfait wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
Why would you, of all people, be sleeping w/ a saggy~ass woman in the first place?!?! :? :wink:


Remember...he likes his women doing urinal impersonations...so take what he says about women with a grain of salt...or a shot of piss...which ever you prefer!


Says the grown man with the Ross Valory rocks username and a signature quote from Stone Cold.

Just go back into your trailer, dude. If you're wondering about how to remove that foul smell you got in there, just ask your wife to close her legs.


RVR's wife is beautiful and she smells nice too!! I can pretty much guarantee you that any decent woman on the planet would take a Stone Cold quoting, Ross Valory fan over a guy that pees on her any day. You truly are a piece of work.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:57 am

parfait wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
parfait wrote:Who the hell would want to live with the same woman all your life, anyway? I'd rather marinate my dick in hydrochloric acid and throw it on the barbecue than having to wake up with the same increasingly saggy ass woman every day.

But hey, that's just my 0,2 cents. :)
Why would you, of all people, be sleeping w/ a saggy~ass woman in the first place?!?! :? :wink:


Remember...he likes his women doing urinal impersonations...so take what he says about women with a grain of salt...or a shot of piss...which ever you prefer!


Says the grown man with the Ross Valory rocks username and a signature quote from Stone Cold.

Just go back into your trailer, dude. If you're wondering about how to remove that foul smell you got in there, just ask your wife to close her legs.


Ahh what wit :roll: ...I don't live in a trailer dude...and I don't piss in womens mouths either and then wonder why she was annoyed with me...and IF I was to do something like that...I would certainly NOT tell a forum full of people about it.

I could probably buy and sell you if you really wanted to know...but I wouldn't invest in any French trash.
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