Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God

[S2M]

Evolutionists give Creationists plenty of ammo when hoaxes like Piltdown Man, Ida, and Acheoraptor are presented as proof of evolution.....just saying.

Yes, and someone living in a fish or gathering every animal on the planet two by two into a large boat, or parting an ocean is so real and undeniable. LOL

TRUE...but there is an account of a life destroying flood in basically EVERY religion...Gilgemesh? How do you answer that? BTW, I'm only playing Devil's Advocate....(pun intended).

[BobbyinTN]

Evolutionists give Creationists plenty of ammo when hoaxes like Piltdown Man, Ida, and Acheoraptor are presented as proof of evolution.....just saying.

Yes, and someone living in a fish or gathering every animal on the planet two by two into a large boat, or parting an ocean is so real and undeniable. LOL

TRUE...but there is an account of a life destroying flood in basically EVERY religion...Gilgemesh? How do you answer that? BTW, I'm only playing Devil's Advocate....(pun intended).

Stop playing with the devil, you'll go blind.

Floods throughout the world cleaned out villages, cities and populations, through the years they would have become legend.

Noah's Ark is loosely based on an actual man who did built a boat because the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded often and he did indeed put a few of his animals on that boat along with family members and when it flooded, they simply drifted downstream until the waters receded. That became legend and a big fish story.

[Michigan Girl]

S&M ~All Christians are not the mindless, bible thumping idiots you make them out to be. You, my friend, are as bad, if not worse, than any bible thumper I have ever met, only in reverse. So what if you don’t believe in the Holy-Trinity, why in the name of some unexplained force does it seem as though you ( and a few others) are preaching to and belittling those who do every time a thread like this comes along. You’re never going to get the proof you want, not from us, so you’re just wasting your finger strokes, causing Jesus to do that face~palm thing and leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Mindless sheep, my ass!!

Lt Vanish, you didn’t need to explain yourself~ that is what Christians believe. Those w/a sense of humor get the joke and those who don’t believe in heaven and hell don’t care.

Andrew, I did start reading a few of the articles you posted, but stopped because I don't believe in that poo-poo!! God rocks and rolls!! Christian or not, you have plenty of sinners reading this board, myself included …I don’t recall a single time, since I’ve been a member, anyone preaching against “The Music.” Some people may go to hell for their tastes, but that’s on them. Oh, and God likes bingo and wine, too … just not at the same time!!

[Rip Rokken]

TRUE...but there is an account of a life destroying flood in basically EVERY religion...Gilgemesh? How do you answer that? BTW, I'm only playing Devil's Advocate....(pun intended).

I'm sure from their limited view of what the world was back then, they may have felt the whole world was flooded.

Noah's Ark is loosely based on an actual man who did built a boat because the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded often and he did indeed put a few of his animals on that boat along with family members and when it flooded, they simply drifted downstream until the waters receded. That became legend and a big fish story.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess! The big fish story was about Jonah, though.

[parfait]

S&M ~All Christians are not the mindless, bible thumping idiots you make them out to be. You, my friend, are as bad, if not worse, than any bible thumper I have ever met, only in reverse. So what if you don’t believe in the Holy-Trinity, why in the name of some unexplained force does it seem as though you ( and a few others) are preaching to and belittling those who do every time a thread like this comes along. You’re never going to get the proof you want, not from us, so you’re just wasting your finger strokes, causing Jesus to do that face~palm thing and leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Mindless sheep, my ass!!

Lt Vanish, you didn’t need to explain yourself~ that is what Christians believe. Those w/a sense of humor get the joke and those who don’t believe in heaven and hell don’t care.

Andrew, I did start reading a few of the articles you posted, but stopped because I don't believe in that poo-poo!! God rocks and rolls!! Christian or not, you have plenty of sinners reading this board, myself included …I don’t recall a single time, since I’ve been a member, anyone preaching against “The Music.” Some people may go to hell for their tastes, but that’s on them. Oh, and God likes bingo and wine, too … just not at the same time!!

Aren't you supposed to be cooking or doing some laundry? How your man even allows you to operate a mechanical device like a computer is beyond me.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

[S2M]

All I'm saying is that there is as much proof for the existence of a supreme being as there is for your 5 year-old's imaginary rabbit, Fluffy...and last time I checked the burden of proof lies with the Creationists....It is only logical that something...anything.....doesn't exist until it is proven it does. Also, there is a property of logic, specifically Epistemology, that one cannot KNOW something that is false...that is to say that you could not say, with certainty that a supreme being exists if, indeed, one doesn't exist...HOWEVER, it may be enough to believe in something...an idea, a concept...etc. for it to 'exist'. Some claim that if the idea exists that is enough....one more thing....walk into a court room with a bag of 'faith'. See how far it gets you.

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

[RedWingFan]

Also, does ANYONE.. EVER want to look at the astonishing transition that we see in every day wild-life of evolution? If you really look down deep, the results are miraculous with characteristic's and traits.
Just LOOK at that. Look at the features. The dimension of the teeth. The structure of the face. You could literally see the person just beaming inside of this monkey. If you would watch Discovery and look at the way monkeys act upon one another is just a jaw dropping sight to how close they humanly act.
The definition in the hand is the same bone structure as that of a human, as well as the pattern of prints. I just don't see how this could be overlooked by any religious believer that completley turns their nose up at the possibility of evolution.

I used to buy that macro-evolution crap when I was a kid. You know that picture of a little monkey growing into a bigger monkey that evolves into cro-magnon that evolves into an upright human.
Only problem is there are ZERO transitional species that link them.
Think about it. If humans evolved from anything the Earth would be littered with all the "unfittest" of Darwin's "survival of the fittest" pap! Same with dinosaurs. Millions of years of T-rex, triceratop...etc... millions of years of T-rex and the rest of the dinosaurs. Staying exactly the same as they were. Not one transitional dinosaur.
Yes our DNA is 98.7% identical to a chimpanzee, on the surface that seems like alot. But you have to put that into context that our DNA is also 35% identical to a daffodil.

Like the old saying goes. "If you don't believe in something, you'll believe in anything!"

Everytime I think of that evolution chart I think of this! Congratulations Travis, "you're the retarded offspring of 5 monkeys having butt-sex with a fish-squirel!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMRpa_W-YSg

I knew the usual crap would come of sooner or later.

Yeah, facts are stubborn things.

First of all; you obviously don't understand how the evolution theory works. Second: there's a huge number of transitional bones that we know off.

You're alot more confident in the fossil record than your hero Darwin was. David Raup a geologist at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago said this years ago.

"The evidence we find in the geologic record is not nearly as compatible with darwinian natural selection as we would like it to be. Darwin was completely aware of this. He was embarrassed by the fossil record because it didn't look the way he predicted it would and, as a result he devoted a long section of his Origin Of the Species in an attempt to explain and rationalize the differences. There were several problems, but the principal one was that the geologic record did not then and still does not yield a finely graduated chain of slow and progressive evolution."

[Ligzig]

I always find it funny when people bring up "We are humans, so we're special" arguments, for a couple of reasons. Why must we be any different than any other creature on earth? Do spiders and frogs have a higher purpose in life or some hidden meaning? Just because we know we exist and die, we are special? We live, and we die. Life is what YOU make of it. I don't need God for my life to have any meaning and it's ignorant to think that one would need to be religious for their lives to have meaning.

Another thing: "you're going to hell!" This makes me roll my eyes.

In the words of George Carlin:

Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you.

The reason I chose this particular quote is because it's exactly how I feel. If there is a God (big IF) and if he is truly omniscient, he wouldn't be this ridiculous. He would judge me as a person for who I truly am deep in my soul. He wouldn't judge me based on whether or not I followed the (outdated) rules of the bible and he wouldn't give a shit what music I listen to or whether or not I question religion. He did give us free will after all... and why give us free will if it doesn't matter in the end? Just to fuck with us? Is God this sick and twisted? If he truly feels that way, then I want no part of it. I'll chill in hell with the cool people.

No offense to the religious folks here, I don't care if you believe in God, this is all simply my opinion and I find the Bible to be an excellent fantasy book, although most parts not fit for children due to the graphic nature and suggestive material. It has it's flaws, but I would still give it a 8/10.

[S2M]

Yeah, facts are stubborn things.

First of all; you obviously don't understand how the evolution theory works. Second: there's a huge number of transitional bones that we know off.

You're alot more confident in the fossil record than your hero Darwin was. David Raup a geologist at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago said this years ago.

"The evidence we find in the geologic record is not nearly as compatible with darwinian natural selection as we would like it to be. Darwin was completely aware of this. He was embarrassed by the fossil record because it didn't look the way he predicted it would and, as a result he devoted a long section of his Origin Of the Species in an attempt to explain and rationalize the differences. There were several problems, but the principal one was that the geologic record did not then and still does not yield a finely graduated chain of slow and progressive evolution."

Explain embryonic gills, webbed feet, and a sort of 'tail'? Sure they disappear before birth, but they are evidence of evolution....Vestigial tails. Resembling that of the Barbary Ape...makes me go Hmmmmm.

[Rip Rokken]

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

It happened at least once...

Matthew 12:9-14 - Going on from that place, he [Jesus] went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?' He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.' Then he said to the man, 'Stretch out your hand.' So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

[S2M]

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

It happened at least once...

Matthew 12:9-14 - Going on from that place, he [Jesus] went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?' He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.' Then he said to the man, 'Stretch out your hand.' So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

I'm refering to modern miracles. I've never heard of an amputee regaining a limb. No anecdotes, no stories, no local legends....NOTHING. But I've heard people regaining sight, hearing, and being cured of diseases....just saying.

[Rip Rokken]

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

It happened at least once...

Matthew 12:9-14 - Going on from that place, he [Jesus] went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?' He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.' Then he said to the man, 'Stretch out your hand.' So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

I'm refering to modern miracles. I've never heard of an amputee regaining a limb. No anecdotes, no stories, no local legends....NOTHING. But I've heard people regaining sight, hearing, and being cured of diseases....just saying.

The Bible is proof enough.

[bluejeangirl76]

All Christians are not the mindless, bible thumping idiots you make them out to be. You, my friend, are as bad, if not worse, than any bible thumper I have ever met, only in reverse. So what if you don’t believe in the Holy-Trinity, why in the name of some unexplained force does it seem as though you ( and a few others) are preaching to and belittling those who do every time a thread like this comes along. You’re never going to get the proof you want, not from us, so you’re just wasting your finger strokes, causing Jesus to do that face~palm thing and leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Mindless sheep, my ass!!

100%. If only we could all be as smart as some people (think they) are, MG. My ex-h sounded just as arrogant and jackassy when belittling the concepts of religion and faith, like he knew it all, but ... he didn't do it in front of them, and at least he had the respect not to call people stupid right to their faces for being religious or believing in whatever it is they believe in. I mean, there is a way to have this kind of discussion without flat out tearing people apart, calling them stupid, and ripping off lines from stand up comedians thinking it's going to make you sound just clever and funny.

Personally, I'm not really religious, but I don't pretend to have all the answers, either, and I just don't see what's wrong with "live and let live". It's like anything else, people are going to have different approaches to everything.... different musical preferences, different movies they like, different hobbies... and different beliefs.... see the pattern here though.... everytime someone expresses anything around here... music, hobby, movies, personal philosophy, favorite food... anything... this one shows up to tell them why their ideas or likes are dumb or wrong. It's beyond old.

[S2M]

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

It happened at least once...

Matthew 12:9-14 - Going on from that place, he [Jesus] went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?' He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.' Then he said to the man, 'Stretch out your hand.' So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

I'm refering to modern miracles. I've never heard of an amputee regaining a limb. No anecdotes, no stories, no local legends....NOTHING. But I've heard people regaining sight, hearing, and being cured of diseases....just saying.

The Bible is proof enough.

Is 'And this is the word of the lord' the ancient equivalent of 'Nuff said'? LOL

[S2M]

S&M ~All Christians are not the mindless, bible thumping idiots you make them out to be. You, my friend, are as bad, if not worse, than any bible thumper I have ever met, only in reverse. So what if you don’t believe in the Holy-Trinity, why in the name of some unexplained force does it seem as though you ( and a few others) are preaching to and belittling those who do every time a thread like this comes along. You’re never going to get the proof you want, not from us, so you’re just wasting your finger strokes, causing Jesus to do that face~palm thing and leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Mindless sheep, my ass!!

Lt Vanish, you didn’t need to explain yourself~ that is what Christians believe. Those w/a sense of humor get the joke and those who don’t believe in heaven and hell don’t care.

Andrew, I did start reading a few of the articles you posted, but stopped because I don't believe in that poo-poo!! God rocks and rolls!! Christian or not, you have plenty of sinners reading this board, myself included …I don’t recall a single time, since I’ve been a member, anyone preaching against “The Music.” Some people may go to hell for their tastes, but that’s on them. Oh, and God likes bingo and wine, too … just not at the same time!!

A question: If YOU saw someone doing something wrong wouldn't YOU correct him/her? If you saw a person peeling a potato with the knife slicing TOWARD the person, wouldn't you explain how to do it the right way? If you saw a person changing a flat tire without the emergency brake engaged, or not properly securing the jack...wouldn't you say something?

That's ALL I'm doing.....I don't think I'm belittling anyone here....

[Ligzig]

and ripping off lines from stand up comedians thinking it's going to make you sound just clever and funny.

I don't know if that last part is supposed to be an attack on my post, but it's unnecessary. I wasn't directing my post at anyone in particular and even said I didn't care if anyone believed in God. If anything, I was attacking the bible, religion and God himself for some of the ridiculous things I've seen.

[bluejeangirl76]

and ripping off lines from stand up comedians thinking it's going to make you sound just clever and funny.

I don't know if that last part is supposed to be an attack on my post, but it's unnecessary. I wasn't directing my post at anyone in particular and even said I didn't care if anyone believed in God. If anything, I was attacking the bible, religion and God himself for some of the ridiculous things I've seen.

No sir. I'm very familiar with the bit you quoted. In fact, I had to scroll back up as I had not seen what you posted before I replied... I was agreeing with MG ... I don't have a problem with what you said or the way you said it because you cited your source, and you weren't using it to make fun of people or tell them they were wrong.

[YoungJRNY]

This is an absolute must see. This is a show, called the Atheist Experience. It's a show to where the certain debate of non-believers and believers alike is encouraged to debate both sides of the coin. The host of the show is named Matt Dillahunty. This man is brilliant and could literally read you the Bible backwards and tell you in logics exactly what it means and what's being said. He's studied the Bible through and through and was even apart of many Church expeditions. He was raised in a Southern Baptist home and was a fundamentalist Christian for over 20 years and was part of the ministry.

Here's a little background on Matt:

What began as an attempt to bolster my faith became a continuing investigation into more topics than I ever suspected I'd enjoy.

After the first couple of years, reason forced me to acknowledge that my faith had not only been weakened by my studies - it had been utterly destroyed. The thoughts, writings and wisdom of people like; Robert Ingersoll, Voltaire, Dan Barker, Richard Dawkins, Farrell Till and many others, helped free my mind from the shackles of religion without a single moment of despair. I continue to study philosophy, religion, science, history and the many other topics which have helped me to understand reality and enjoy my life.

Having spent the majority of my life compartmentalizing my religious beliefs to keep them safe from skepticism, it's thrilling to leave the critical, investigative, hungry portion of my brain turned "on". While my own pursuit of knowledge is a powerful driving force in my life, I'd also like to prevent others from wasting another day on irrational beliefs. Education is the key ...and if my work manages to educate even one person, I'm satisfied.

On the show, countless upon countless number of Christians call in and claim they have proof that God exists and Matt use's his knowledge to completley contradict what their saying and lets them talk in cirlces. It's amazing to know that most Christians or Bible thumpers don't even understand their own Bible. Here's a video. There's tons of them. Very interesting and good watches.

Caller has proof God exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJxCFa8YmbQ

Caller has proof of Creationism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbt0yIW6 ... re=related

Proof God is there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8mTuAVe ... re=related

[Rip Rokken]

All Christians are not the mindless, bible thumping idiots you make them out to be. You, my friend, are as bad, if not worse, than any bible thumper I have ever met, only in reverse. So what if you don’t believe in the Holy-Trinity, why in the name of some unexplained force does it seem as though you ( and a few others) are preaching to and belittling those who do every time a thread like this comes along. You’re never going to get the proof you want, not from us, so you’re just wasting your finger strokes, causing Jesus to do that face~palm thing and leaving a nasty taste in my mouth. Mindless sheep, my ass!!

100%. If only we could all be as smart as some people (think they) are, MG. My ex-h sounded just as arrogant and jackassy when belittling the concepts of religion and faith, like he knew it all, but ... he didn't do it in front of them, and at least he had the respect not to call people stupid right to their faces for being religious or believing in whatever it is they believe in. I mean, there is a way to have this kind of discussion without flat out tearing people apart, calling them stupid, and ripping off lines from stand up comedians thinking it's going to make you sound just clever and funny.

Personally, I'm not really religious, but I don't pretend to have all the answers, either, and I just don't see what's wrong with "live and let live". It's like anything else, people are going to have different approaches to everything.... different musical preferences, different movies they like, different hobbies... and different beliefs.... see the pattern here though.... everytime someone expresses anything around here... music, hobby, movies, personal philosophy, favorite food... anything... this one shows up to tell them why their ideas or likes are dumb or wrong. It's beyond old.

Now, now. S2M doesn't really mean to insult anyone or make them feel less than intelligent. He just likes to be the sinner of attention!

[S2M]

100%. If only we could all be as smart as some people (think they) are, MG. My ex-h sounded just as arrogant and jackassy when belittling the concepts of religion and faith, like he knew it all, but ... he didn't do it in front of them, and at least he had the respect not to call people stupid right to their faces for being religious or believing in whatever it is they believe in. I mean, there is a way to have this kind of discussion without flat out tearing people apart, calling them stupid, and ripping off lines from stand up comedians thinking it's going to make you sound just clever and funny.

Personally, I'm not really religious, but I don't pretend to have all the answers, either, and I just don't see what's wrong with "live and let live". It's like anything else, people are going to have different approaches to everything.... different musical preferences, different movies they like, different hobbies... and different beliefs.... see the pattern here though.... everytime someone expresses anything around here... music, hobby, movies, personal philosophy, favorite food... anything... this one shows up to tell them why their ideas or likes are dumb or wrong. It's beyond old.

Now, now. S2M doesn't really mean to insult anyone or make them feel less than intelligent. He just likes to be the sinner of attention!

I hope I'm not the one being accused of quoting comedians, and not citing the source....

[S2M]

And the beat goes on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQPZ0yqoREA&feature=related

[YoungJRNY]

And the beat goes on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQPZ0yqoREA&feature=related

What a strong showing. Hardcore Christians who understand the value of logic and understand their actual belief must be in the fetal position after listening to that one. This has to make people of Religion wince in pain for how ignorant and not knowing these people spew. Way to represent.

[YoungJRNY]

God exists because I'm sitting here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmmQJf8P ... re=related

[BobbyinTN]

TRUE...but there is an account of a life destroying flood in basically EVERY religion...Gilgemesh? How do you answer that? BTW, I'm only playing Devil's Advocate....(pun intended).

I'm sure from their limited view of what the world was back then, they may have felt the whole world was flooded.

Noah's Ark is loosely based on an actual man who did built a boat because the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded often and he did indeed put a few of his animals on that boat along with family members and when it flooded, they simply drifted downstream until the waters receded. That became legend and a big fish story.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess! The big fish story was about Jonah, though.

Figuratively my friend, both are "big fish stories". LOL

[BobbyinTN]

I always find it funny when people bring up "We are humans, so we're special" arguments, for a couple of reasons. Why must we be any different than any other creature on earth? Do spiders and frogs have a higher purpose in life or some hidden meaning? Just because we know we exist and die, we are special? We live, and we die. Life is what YOU make of it. I don't need God for my life to have any meaning and it's ignorant to think that one would need to be religious for their lives to have meaning.

Another thing: "you're going to hell!" This makes me roll my eyes.

In the words of George Carlin:

Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you.

The reason I chose this particular quote is because it's exactly how I feel. If there is a God (big IF) and if he is truly omniscient, he wouldn't be this ridiculous. He would judge me as a person for who I truly am deep in my soul. He wouldn't judge me based on whether or not I followed the (outdated) rules of the bible and he wouldn't give a shit what music I listen to or whether or not I question religion. He did give us free will after all... and why give us free will if it doesn't matter in the end? Just to fuck with us? Is God this sick and twisted? If he truly feels that way, then I want no part of it. I'll chill in hell with the cool people.

No offense to the religious folks here, I don't care if you believe in God, this is all simply my opinion and I find the Bible to be an excellent fantasy book, although most parts not fit for children due to the graphic nature and suggestive material. It has it's flaws, but I would still give it a 8/10.

I agree completely, but I'd give the Bible a 6/10. LOL

[S2M]

I can't believe I'm saying this....

We can't see wind. But we can see the result of it.....Whereas we can't see god, but we can record 'his' impact...i.e. 'faith'. just a thought.

[BobbyinTN]

Yeah, facts are stubborn things.

First of all; you obviously don't understand how the evolution theory works. Second: there's a huge number of transitional bones that we know off.

You're alot more confident in the fossil record than your hero Darwin was. David Raup a geologist at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago said this years ago.

"The evidence we find in the geologic record is not nearly as compatible with darwinian natural selection as we would like it to be. Darwin was completely aware of this. He was embarrassed by the fossil record because it didn't look the way he predicted it would and, as a result he devoted a long section of his Origin Of the Species in an attempt to explain and rationalize the differences. There were several problems, but the principal one was that the geologic record did not then and still does not yield a finely graduated chain of slow and progressive evolution."

Explain embryonic gills, webbed feet, and a sort of 'tail'? Sure they disappear before birth, but they are evidence of evolution....Vestigial tails. Resembling that of the Barbary Ape...makes me go Hmmmmm.

They say if you don't believe in evolution, just look at the developmental stages of human embryos. Of course, most of the people who don't believe in evolution think it's a chubby little cherub from the moment of conception. Hell, for some zealots beating off is the same as abortion.

[BobbyinTN]

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

It happened at least once...

Matthew 12:9-14 - Going on from that place, he [Jesus] went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?' He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.' Then he said to the man, 'Stretch out your hand.' So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

Rip, using the Bible to prove the Bible is correct is like using THE LORD OF THE RINGS to prove the existence of Hobbits.

[bluejeangirl76]

Btw, I've found GOD'S krytonite...it is amputations. I've never heard of ONE miracle where an amputee suddenly woke up with a new arm, leg....etc. No matter how many prayers were sent, god just ignores the Limb Challenged....he doesn't like them. I don't know. He can handle the Blind, the Deaf...Cancer...but for some reason scoffs at them...go figure.

I'll listen to reasons if you have them...

It happened at least once...

Matthew 12:9-14 - Going on from that place, he [Jesus] went into their synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, 'Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?' He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.' Then he said to the man, 'Stretch out your hand.' So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

Rip, using the Bible to prove the Bible is correct is like using THE LORD OF THE RINGS to prove the existence of Hobbits.

LMAO!!

[BobbyinTN]

And the beat goes on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQPZ0yqoREA&feature=related

LMAO!! I thought Butterfly McQueen was dead.